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Brock Lesnar's Boxing Coach Peter Welch Talks UFC 116

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Brock Lesnar's boxing coach Peter Welch talked to Sherdog:

"I wasn't really concerned because I know there's always a chance for recovery," said Welch on the Sherdog Radio Network's "Beatdown" show on Wednesday. "If you can't punch in traffic then you're not ready...I've seen Brock do it on numerous occasions. He can punch in traffic and I know it's just a matter of setting the feet and turning it around."
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"Either you have it or you don't," said Welch. "But he has a ton of heart, a ton of balls and a good chin. You put those three together and you get the heavyweight champ of the world. You get through that and that's the difference between a guy that puts his tail between his legs and a guy that will jump up and do damage."
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"His strongest punch? He hasn't shown it yet," said the Boston-based trainer. "So I'll just leave that as a mystery. In training he's shown a lot of potential to unleash some serious leverage and good snap and good power on his punches. So, it's now a matter of getting Brock comfortable enough to get the repetitions in and he's going to be a force to be reckoned with, not only in striking, but in all areas. It's just a matter of getting the reps in. Once he gets the reps in, he's going to lock it in."

I wasn't especially impressed with Lesnar's boxing against Shane Carwin, but Carwin hits with incredible power so it will be more telling to see how Lesnar fares on his feet against Cain Velasquez whenever they eventually meet. 

That's a fight that I think may very well be decided on the feet because I expect the wrestling to end up a wash. Even if someone gets taken down, I expect they'll be back on their feet fairly quickly.  

More on Welch in the full entry, he's an interesting cat.

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Here's a piece from UFC.com that talks about how Welch became the first boxing coach for The Ultimate Fighter and his approach to boxing for MMA:

...Welch's reputation circulated around MMA circles, and when an old buddy needed a boxing coach for a new reality show, UFC President Dana White called the man whom he once ran a local Boston boxing program with - Welch - to participate in Spike TV's The Ultimate Fighter.

But unlike many in the boxing world, Welch didn't enter this new endeavor with a built-in prejudice towards MMA. And in fact, he made it a point to not only teach fundamental boxing technique, but to show the fighters moves that would be useful in MMA, and not just boxing.

"From watching these guys fight and seeing what naturally works for them, I was open to the fact that it was a different style and I opened myself up to what works for them. I talked to Forrest (Griffin) and his trainers - Adam and Rory Singer - about certain things. We worked a little bit after the season was over, and we had a two hour clinic where we went back and forth about why something that works in boxing won't work in MMA. We picked each others' brains, and we laid the groundwork for the new system that I put together. But it's almost like I had to re-program myself to break away from the old school of traditional boxing into what type of boxing works for MMA. It was a little bit of a transition."

Here's an interview that Heavy.com did with Welch talking about how he became involved with boxing and why he walked away from his pro boxing career with a 5-0 record:

"Whether you became a boxer or not, at some point in your life, your father brought you to that show and you participated in a boxing match. Anyone who has boxed from here usually got their start at the St. Patrick's Day boxing show."

Welch points to the tradition of older participants returning to volunteer as organizers and matchmakers, giving back to the community and contributing to the history and culture within the area. He also attributes his own success as a trainer as a direct product of this network.

Everyone knows that there are plenty of great fighters who never reach their full potential. It's not always because of a lack of talent-the fight promotions, television networks, managers, agents, media and an entire series of intangibles can play deciding factors in how a prospect's career can unfold.

"Fighting is the easy part," explains Welch of the extreme difficulty in getting through the politics of boxing to make headway with his career.

With this in mind, even though he was undefeated as a professional, Peter abandoned that road and became a trainer.

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“Either you have it or you don’t,” said Welch. “But he has a ton of heart, a ton of balls and a good chin.”

Yeah, his chin seemed fine. It was his knees giving out that made him fall on the mat and turtle up.

If I were Brock’s boxing coach, I’d be laying low right about now.

On the other hand, his BJJ coach should be DROWNING in booty this week.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I know Peter is a good coach, but Lesnar seemed more successful when he was just throwing raw, wild punches. This time, he tried to throw a text book right and got caught.

If he develops a knock out punch anywhere close to Shane, that rematch is going to be bombastic. Let’s hope Peter does not confuse Brock. He does not need to be super technical. Just ask Shane

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shit, talk to Heath.

That guys knows how little technique it takes for Brock to throw a hard punch.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

There have been instances where people have gotten worse after some technical training. Maybe Brock should go back to Donkey konging people instead of thinking too much. haha. Seriously though. Brock’s stand up looked much worse after all this training. He needs to patch that (and I think he will) for Cain.

Cain won’t knock him out like Carwin. At least not with one punch. What’s coming next for Lesnar could be much more dangerous. One mistake and JDS puts you away. He is not Carwin

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

There have been instances where people have gotten worse after some technical training

It’s also not uncommon for a guy to take one step back before taking two steps forward. A guy who has had success throwing haymakers might look like shit for a while, but once the new technique clicks, he will be vastly improved versus his former self. It’s just weird to see a champion so early in his learning curve.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

but Brock wasn't throwing haymakers against Heath

that was a crisp sharp straight punch. we did a judo chop on it. it wasn’t larry holmes, but it wasn’t a wild winging haymaker either.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 9, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

True, but the point still stands.

If you break a guy down and make him start over (which Welch seems to have done), he often gets WORSE in the short-term but he will ultimately improve over the long-term.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brock doesn't have long-term

He is 33 almost. How many years is he going to keep trying? :) He’ll get better against Cain. I am sure of it. From what I have heard, brock does not take embarrassments easily and he got embarrassed on feet against Carwin

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think this is being overlooked a little bit. From everything I’ve read and seen about Brock says he isn’t going to be happy at all with the way he looked in that first round and that he will be making a point to improve that.

Also all his coaches say he is basically a sponge in training and is a great student to teach. So I think that bodes well for him improving those flaws in a relatively quick amount of time.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jul 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what coaches say

We heard that about Herschel. We’ll hear that about Batista. It’s their job to say those things.

They may even be true – I’m not saying they aren’t – but there’s no reason to put any weight behind such statements.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is the internet.

I’ve seen far less credible things be used to base assumptions on.

So in this case based on everything else I know about Brock I’m very comfortable in believing his coaches are pretty close to telling the truth about Brock’s potential as a student.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jul 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's one huge reason

Brock busting out an arm triangle against Carwin. You never saw Coleman or Randleman doing that shit.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Granted, but it's not like we saw a complete BJJ game there, right?

What’s his guard like? How does escape mount? If he had missed on the arm triangle, what would he have transitioned to?

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

We saw him play deep half-guard of a sort. It wasn’t bad and he protected himself a bit from Carwin’s punches.

Ribbit.

by Ben Thapa on Jul 9, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

W/ Brock we don’t just have to trust his coaches. W/ the exception of his standup in the 1st round against Carwin, he has improved leaps and bounds with every fight.

This isn’t just talk, he is obviously a quick learner.

by jhf884 on Jul 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We've seen it in his fights though

so it has much credibility. Each fight Lesnar gets better and better.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock doesn’t have long-term

Sure he does.

He doesn’t have all that many miles on him, even factoring in his short pro wrasslin’ career. If he wanted to, he could fight another five years easy. If he has freakish Couture-like aging genetics to match his freakish athletic genetics, he might last even longer.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might is different than he will

Look at Brock’s history. He does not have patience if he is not champ or can’t be one. And he does have miles on him. Pro Wrestling is tough on body too. He does have a few years. But he is going to slow down, body starts to break down. and so on.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

he might is different than he will

But you didn’t say he ‘might not’ have long-term, you said he ‘does not’ have long-term. You are just as guilty of making assumptions as I am.

If you want to agree that neither one of us knows for certain, I am amenable to that.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is very true.

Often it takes several fights for new techniques to show up. W/ Brock being the quick learner that he obviously is, I wouldn’t be surprised if his standup isn’t much improved against Cain from the Carwin fight.

by jhf884 on Jul 9, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Heath Herring for that.

Haha. Brock tried to punch Carwin too. Carwin just blocked his shot and then threw that monster uppercut. I think Carwin can be champ as long as he keeps his fights under 3 minutes.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar threw a similar punch in the Carwin fight that he threw in the Herring fight. It looked like it just grazed Carwin. Does a GIF exsist?

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by DayGeaux on Jul 9, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it touched Carwin

I think Heath got caught because his coaches told him Brock was just a pro wrestler who can’t do anything.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't like the Herring punch at all

He was much closer to Carwin and didn’t have any of the mechanics of that punch.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Legs mightve gone put but he remained within his senses… Mind you he’s the only one to survive carwins onslaught.

by kanodogg on Jul 9, 2010 8:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

whatever

“If I were Brock’s boxing coach, I’d be laying low right about now.”

That’s just a ridiculous statement.

by sifuherc on Jul 9, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't tell me.

Tell Fightmetric.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't need Fightmetric

To tell anyone who was the more effective striker in that fight. Any idiot with two eyes should be able to figure it out.

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by Worldisart on Jul 9, 2010 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Don't tell me!

Tell sifuherc! :-)

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hebhas a point

He’s not claimed Brock was any good on his feet just that you notion that Peter Welch should go hide somewhere is ridiculous, which is true. Welch is one of the best striking coaches in the world.

Lesnar was in only his sixth fight and he’s still very much a work in progress. There are going to be bumps in theroad along the way but that doesn’t mean his coaches should bury their heads in shame. The guy is the #1 HW in the world, they’re doing something right.

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by Worldisart on Jul 9, 2010 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry for the atrocious typing

No coffee this morning =(

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by Worldisart on Jul 9, 2010 11:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

So you'd say that this was a good time for:
“If you can’t punch in traffic then you’re not ready…I’ve seen Brock do it on numerous occasions. He can punch in traffic and I know it’s just a matter of setting the feet and turning it around.”

You know, right after we saw that Brock absolutely CANNOT “punch in traffic” with a guy with a decent stand-up game. Right after watching his punches get swatted away. Now is the time to crow about how great Brock’s punching is when we just watched him get absolutely schooled on the feet and beaten down until blood and tears were streaming from the corners of this eyes.

Right.

Good call – that makes a lot of sense. I don’t know what I was thinking.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

This whole Brock as #1 thing has been really rough on your psyche, hasn’t it

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no, that I get.

I don’t get the idea that his boxing was up to snuff, or that Peter Welch should be proud as shit of Brock’s striking.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

What does that have to do with brock boxing coach? Reading is fundamental.

by sifuherc on Jul 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are so right - Brock's striking game in the fight had nothing to do with his boxing coach.

Which, I would say, was the problem.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOGIC my boy.

So when a fighter from freddy roaches stable gets schooled on his feet should we go tell roach to pack it in he’s losing his touch?? You see what I mean?

by sifuherc on Jul 9, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

NO.

READING, my boy. Try to READ the ACTUAL words that I wrote. Trying to make them say what you want them to say isn’t going to help.

I didn’t say that Peter Welch didn’t know anything about striking or that he should retire. I said that this wasn’t the time for him to be giving interviews about Brock’s great striking:

“If I were Brock’s boxing coach, I’d be laying low right about now.”

See?

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by jemaleddin on Jul 10, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am curious..

to see the power he can generate in a uppercut when he has the plum on someone. For some reason i envision the person looking like roger ebert afterwards

by Easedel on Jul 9, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

As long as they don't start hating on video games afterwards, that's fine.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha

He’s since backed off that stance.

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by Charles Awad on Jul 9, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

(Let's not get into a thing, here....)

(But I’m still pretty pissed. He wasn’t being dumb or naive – he was being a troll, and he needs to stop pretending that he wasn’t doing the whole thing to gin up traffic to his site. The aw-shucks attitude puts me off more than the transparently disingenuous arguments.)

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

ROGER EBERT IS A SAINT!

Perhaps my best years are gone. When there was a chance of happiness. But I wouldn't want them back. Not with the fire in me now. No, I wouldn't want them back.

by jebushchrist on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saints can be trolls.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on that

Damn Mother Teresa was aaaaaaalllllwwwwwaaaaayyyyssss trolling

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by DayGeaux on Jul 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one interested

in POSSIBLY seeing Shane Carwin fight James Toney? I know, I know, James Toney is a freakshow, but just having a chance to see that much raw stand-up power could be intense. I really see the guy beating Couture if he lands a couple good ones and if Shane can almost destroy Brock like he did. Just sounds interesting to me.

by SubmYssion on Jul 9, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I would have liked to see Meathead vs Toney

by Easedel on Jul 9, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not interesting at all IMO, carwin outweighs toney by about 40-50 I believe.. I’d think he’d take toney down right away and GNP him senseless

by kanodogg on Jul 9, 2010 8:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

James Toney would kill Carwin if Carwin kept it standing 100%

With Carwin’s piss poor stance and lack of footwork, Toney would put a clinic on Carwin.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brock’s boxing technique hasn’t impressed me so far. Against Carwin his straight right was palmed away and after he got hit he just backed up in a straight line before getting caught on the cage. Not the best way to handle things.

I know that Cain Velasquez doesn’t possess the raw power of Carwin, but he showed some superb combinations in his fight with Nogueira and I think he definitely has the edge if the title fight becomes a striking match.

by Power Puncher on Jul 9, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Brock is improving in every aspect of the game except boxing. I think Cain picks him apart on the feet…IMO the HW belt is going to bounce around to several different fighters in the next couple of fights.

by oousty on Jul 9, 2010 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

I think if Cain wins, he keeps it for a while. Same for Lesnar if he wins. But the question is when?!!

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 9, 2010 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry

Cain is overrated at this point. He couldn’t put Kongo away or Rothwell away that easily. He is improving but he needs to show it. I think it’s a toss up between Brock and Cain. If Brock somehow hits Cain (it could happen :)) then Cain’s in trouble.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah man Cains overrated. Thats why all fighters/trainers/coaches, you know, those people that dont know anything about MMA speak extremely highly of him when his name comes up. We, the fans, know better though.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 9, 2010 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overated does not mean he is not good

He has yet to show all his promise in a cage. That’s all I am saying. I am not saying he is not good. But Josh Thompson thinks cause Lashley can’t take him down, nobody can. And Lashley is 100 times or something better than Lesnar. That just shows bias.

Cain is a wonderful wrestler and has some decent wins. He still hasn’t shown me enough to say, oh he is going to hold on the title forever. I feel like people are treating Cain as the next Fedor. He may be. But not before he proves it by beating Brock, Shane, and JDS

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just messin man. The good thing about this is that we’re eventually gonna see all these guys go at it. Oh and about Cain, maybe you mean hes overhyped which I could see.

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 9, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

overhyped.

Yes. It’s too early in the morning for me. haha. Wait. It’s 12 PM already.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Cain get’s hit and dazed he’s not going to be able to rely on shooting for the takedown to recover. Brock can still fall back on it even if he doesn’t get it, it will take a lot of effort for Cain to defend it against someone as big as Lesnar.

Lesnar wasn’t able to rely on it against Carwin since he was trying to shoot on someone that equaled his size and strength that also had the wrestling prowess to posture himself to defend it.

by YoungGun on Jul 9, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lesnar looks very awkward on his feet. Slow motion even.

Brock should fire this guy and hire Juanito. What? O_O

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by xFenixKnightx on Jul 9, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually agree with Welch

Brock is only 6 fights into his career.. No amateur preparation.. No formal training prior too..

Big guys look slow.. naturally.. Brock has to learn “how to punch”.. Not how to throw a punch.. Everyone knows how to throw a punch.. He needs to learn how to throw the proper punches.. Big guys require lot’s of oxygen to use those big arms.. Most big
 guys punch themselves out because they don’t know how to judge the proper amounts on each punch.. Not every punch has to have everything on it to be effective.. Getting his timing and distance down will improve his technique.. Getting his rotation and hip movement down will improve his technique..

His defense is the one that needed the most work.. He made a textbook error when he got tagged. He backed straight out and didn’t try to roll out of the danger coming forward.. Once he hits enough repetitions, he’ll start doing these things based on natural instinct.. It will take him a good 2-3 years before he really gets it all put together IMO..

And to be fair.. He didn’t really have much of a chance against Carwin on the feet because Carwin has been doing more stand up than anything.. Brock respected Carwin’s hands because everyone knew how much force the guy packs in such short punches..

I don’t think we’ll see a repeat against Cain because Cain isn’t known for being a bomber.. He just uses GNP to wear guys out with punches.. Avoid being under neath him and Lesnar has a fair shot to win this next fight.. I don’t see Cain holding Lesnar down for too long..

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by MMAuthority on Jul 9, 2010 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Dana actually had me thinking that...

…the winner of this fight was going to be the best heavy in the world.

But, after seeing two guys fight who’s best mma facet is being large, I’m embarrassed I ever doubted that Fedor was number one, even for a second.

by glass chin on Jul 9, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

haha

right. The guy who tapped in one minute is No.1 still ?

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

A lesser man would have tapped in 45 seconds.

That’s like 25% better!

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not that he tapped but how he got caught. He fell into one of the best Jujitsu HW’s out there guard and flopped around like a fish. He had just hurt him on the feet and we saw from the JDS fight Werdum can be knocked out. Fedor should of stood up and continued it from there but hey it has worked for him this far so who knew this fight would of ended any different.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jul 9, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think blasting through Big Nog’s guard in his prime made him cocky about jumping into any BJJ experts guard.

by YoungGun on Jul 9, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did werdum say anything about fedor having too much cock after the fight?

by kanodogg on Jul 9, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No!

He was not hurt. Watch the exchange again. Werdum was either baiting him to take it to the ground or the momentum of staying away from that exchange pushed him backwards.

by Crazynutts on Jul 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

"That’s (one of) the most important things (is) wanting to help the guy get better and secondly is making the connections," said Welch. "If you can’t do either one of those you’re not going to be able to help the guy and if he thinks he’s the boss and the know-it-all, why do you need me? Go find somebody that will be able to put up with that nonsense. Brock’s not that type of guy. He’s very studious. This is why he’s the heavyweight champion of the world."
"He’s going to improve leaps and bounds this camp because he’s going to have a perfect strategy," said Welch. "We’ve already gone through the introduction period and now we’re going to get down and we’re going to take care of business at a different level. When you’re dealing with athletes at this level it just accelerates the learning. It’s actually a privilege and an honor to work with guys like this because they make you look good."

Welch only got to lay down the foundation. Comprido has praised Brock as a excellent student and Welch is now doing the same. Brock is every teachers dream he wants to learn and is willing to do what his coaches tell him. I expect his stand up to look much better in the up coming fights. Brock already has dominate wrestling and powerful ground and pound. He showed against Mir he improved his sub defense and against Carwin his sub offense. Now working on Welch more regularly i see his stand up defense/offense to improve leaps and bounds as well. Brock is truly becoming well rounded. Scary!

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jul 9, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

if lesnar were to go to a gym like american kickboxing academy greg jackson american top team extreme couture etc i think his skill level would jump in leaps and bounds

he needs more seasoned vets training with him regularly

he’s done a good job of bringing in good trainers but i think for someone with so little cage experience having a variety of fighters with cage experience would help alot with his training and the application and merging of the individual arts into mixed martial arts.

by Johnathan Willis on Jul 9, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

It's almost as though you can't be at the top of the game while training in some backwoods gym in the middle of frozen wastelands...

…Or am I thinking about Fedor?

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

brock is young in his mma career and training

his camp in my opinion is very wrestler heavy
he can have great boxing coaches but nothing will help his stand up like getting in there and sparring with several top notch mma strikers

he can have a great jits coach but it’s not the same as getting in there with several top notch bjj practioners.

at this point in his training he needs to learn as much as he can from as many people as he can. brocks only got five or seven years left in this sport tops

by Johnathan Willis on Jul 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You misunderstand my point.

Fedor thought he could stay the best at everything while training in Stary Oskol – even Brock did a better job of bringing in outside talent than that.

Also, for all the talk about how “young in his career” Brock is, it’s good to remember that he’s one year younger than Fedor.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, and Brock has less time to do anything with his career.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor facing a “decade” of top level competition might be reaching. Brock won’t ever reach 30+ wins but fight after fight against top 10 hw’s could defiantly add more credible wins to his resume thus evening it out. Long way to go before that is even worth talking about though.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jul 9, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

even Brock did a better job of bringing in outside talent than that

I’d argue that no one in the sport has shown more commitment to building a great training environment than Brock Lesnar. That guys coaching staff is insane (Morgan, Nelson, Comprido, Paulson, & Welch), and the sheer number of quality big bodied training partners he has up there is second to none.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

He pays them a lot too. His JiuJitsu coach didn’t go to world championships to train with him. I think he’ll bring Randy again for Cain fight.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

But I'd still rather he was doing stuff like heading over to Thailand or Gracie Barra.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how that would really help him.

I could totally see the benefit of Thailand if I he was a smaller guy, but as a giant HW who fights other giant HWs, I don’t see how sparring with a bunch of little fellas is going to help him. Sure, the instruction might be first rate, but he can just fly instructors into his current camp and have more size-appropriate sparring partners.

Gracie Barra I could definitely see doing him some good …. if he didn’t have a world champion at his beck and call to roll with. Comprido is about as they come. The instruction at Gracie Barra isn’t going to be any better than what he gets from Comprido, and he wouldn’t be able to consistently roll with a world class HW. He’d have to work out with a wide gamut of training partners, some of whom might compare to Comprido, but most of whom would not.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's a reason I used the word "like" in that sentence.

I think the biggest thing would just to be competing in a group of people who are good at something instead of having one BJJ guy or whatever coaching him. To have training partners with a broader range of skills. To get out of his comfort zone of being the best guy in the room.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

But he’s not the best guy in the room. Comprido is a better BJJ artist. Konrad is a better technical wrestler. Pretty much everyone is a better striker.

No matter who Lesnar is sparring with, he can learn something from them.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the MMA puppy mills are over rated

Lesnar is training where the focus is 100% on him, that’s a valid and viable approach. For all the publicity the cross training gets at the big gyms methinks it’s overstated.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 9, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Then I think we can agree that Chris Tuchscherer needs to go elsewhere. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agre 100%

Lesnar’s training camp is more like a boxing camp. He brings guys in to help him. That gym has one goal and one goal only … make Brock better.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not really. He was speaking about Randy coming in and how it would help him and his camp improve and help out in there fights. Brock is very loyal to Chris , John , Cole and all of his death clutch camp. He wants them all to succeed.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jul 9, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t doubt that he wants them to succeed, but make no mistake about it, Brock is priority #1, #2, and #3 at the DeathClutch camp.

Don’t believe me? Ask those guys how training was at DeathClutch while Brock was sick. Their answer … what training? They all had to fend for themselves while Brock was on the mend.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

so isnt that their opportunity to go to thailand/holland or a bjj school to learn more?

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by The Omaplatapus on Jul 9, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Going to Thailand/Holland to train is a fairly substantial expense. I’m not sure most of Brock’s training partners have the financial stability to make those kinds of trips at this point in their careers.

Most of ’em probably just trained at Minnesota MMA while Brock was recovering.

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then they went to Greg Nelson's camp up in Minneapolis

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why does he need to go to those gyms?

He has top-flight trainers for wrestling, BJJ, and striking.

He has a variety of v. good HW training partners.

Plus his camp mixes it up, and brings in new training partners for each camp to give him different looks etc.

What would he gain at one of the other camps?

by jhf884 on Jul 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shit, those 6 guys must have the world's complete knowledge on fighting

Why would anyone ever train some place else?

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by jemaleddin on Jul 9, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

So he only trains w/ 6 guys?

You’re right though that Carwin training w/ Jackson’s bevy of Lightheavyweights, Middleweights, and Welterweights did him a world of good.

by jhf884 on Jul 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe Lutfi missed the opportunity to ask him about the mysterious disappearing southpaw stance. Was that all smoke & mirrors or has he really been working with Brock on using that stance?

by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

Wasn’t really concerned my ass

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by donkeypunch on Jul 9, 2010 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

For striking Brock needs to go back to basics.

He doesn’t even have the basic fundamentals of extending or closing distance for striking. I’m slightly biased and flame me if you must but I really think training some karate from long fixed stances would help Brock alot with building those connections that enable you to move more efficiently and be fluid between strikes.

by Daveyboy on Jul 9, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions  

I am confident that Cain will destory brock in wrestling.

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by ekc on Jul 9, 2010 11:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

because he is a much better wrestler. ask other fighters and high level wrestlers. and brock had big trouble with randy and could not get shane down at all, shane a wreslter who hasnt competed in a decade.

Shane beats brock 9 out of 10 times, but thats that way the sport is and thats why its great.

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by ekc on Jul 9, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Umm..

Brock had 2 TD on Carwin…

One in the first, in which both Lesnar and Carwin stood right back up..

One in the second that lended itself to a triangle arm choke…

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by MMAuthority on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many punches did Brock even throw in that match like 3?

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by MSEMCEE on Jul 9, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Royce Gracies boxing prolly sucked too.

When you do one thing better than everyone else, you use that strength to win. Carwin has the blueprint to beat Brock, will it work in the rematch is the question.

by Riney on Jul 9, 2010 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

wow...

there are so many experts in here that know exactly what Brock needs to improve. You guys are like little Greg Jackson’s

by Drizzy on Jul 10, 2010 2:14 AM EDT reply actions  

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