Quote of the Day: Shane Carwin Attributes Adrenaline Dump Against Brock Lesnar at UFC 116 to Referee's Words
by Nate Wilcox on Jul 8, 2010 5:00 PM EDT
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"Anyone who questions my cardio should come and train with me. We trained for a twenty-five minute fight but things go wrong. It happens. I basically had an adrenaline dump towards the end of the first (round) and I was unable to recover in between rounds.
"I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,' and then not stopping it. He said it at least three different points in the round, and each time I went for the finish and it never came. It sucked the wind and life out of me."
Bonus quote:
"I am the guy that can beat Brock Lesnar.
"This is not a lot different than his first fight with Mir when he was pretty dominant and got caught. I had my body fail me, but I know I can win that fight if I ever get a second chance. Brock has the heart of a champion and he won't break or quit easily. But everyone can be beaten."
UPDATE: Shane Carwin responds to me on Twitter:
"I don't blame anyone Nate."
UPDATE: I changed the headline because "Carwin blames ref" is a bit of a distortion. Thanks to BE reader AzianG for suggesting a better one. The goal here is to spur discussion and be a little provocative, I missed the mark here. Apologies to Mr Carwin and E. Spencer Kyte.
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What a dick
I told you about this guy man. I’ve been saying tt for weeks.
Hell, if you look at his punches after Rosenthal said it, there’s a point where he’s blatantly punches Lesnar’s forearms to make it look like he’s doing damage in the hopes to get a bad stoppage.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Sorry but that is just stupid. I agree that he should just shut up and get on with things, but if you think he was consciously trying to create a “bad stoppage” you’re lost. When the ref tells the fighter to improve, it’s only intelligent to start blasting your opponent regardless of how much damage you’re doing. Brock has to start moving at that point, and you’re more likely to find an opening. Bash less…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Look at the punches Nate is throwing at the end of this gif, although they are hard to see. They aren't doing damage but it's helping to stop the fight.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
The fact that
he wasn’t doing anything to stop those strikes after that flying knee meant he was already hurt and when he got dropped by that last knee the ref had to stop it. That was a justified stop.
I'm not saying it wasn't.
I’m just saying that Nate was throwing punches, not to actually hurt Gouveia, who was already badly hurt, but to help get the stoppage. That’s the only point I’m trying to make.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Lesnar wasn't out of it like that.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus he called the fight after he collapsed after a significant strike
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that Lesnar was out of it either.
I was trying to further the point that you were trying to make. Sometimes when guys are close to finishing, they throw punches that aren’t really intended to do damage so much as just pour it on. That’s what Carwin was doing when he was throwing those punches at Lesnars forearms. The gif shows Marquardt throwing punches at the end that are just there to do the same thing. No damage but pouring it on.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
True, but his opponents guard wasn't up around his face. LOL.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I know
but that was nothing like what happened against Brock. Brock was protecting with his forearms. His forearms were so massive that it literally made a shield to cover a good portion of his entire body, its kinda unfair lol
Gouveia is covering
in a really, “get this fucking guy off me”, kind of way.
Brock was covering in that way for about 5 seconds and then he fought back with a lame punch. That’s when I knew he wasn’t really gone.
Carwins big fists couldn’t get through those big ass forearms. Haha. You are right.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Haha, I imagine him, thinking while punching “Man, I wish I had small hands”.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He literally formed a shield
and Brock was against the cage so there was like no possible way for Carwin to punch him in the head so unfair lol
It was pretty amazing. Every fighter should grow Popeye’s forearms.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, when your opponent is hurt and the ref is nearing a stoppage, you pour it on. Just should’ve mixed his attack up more, and stayed a little calmer. I don’t think he got screwed by the ref, but it’s just one of those arbitrary things, like the strike zone in baseball. Most of the time, Shane would’ve got the stoppage, and it’s not his job to decide if the fight’s over or not.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He could have always STOOD UP since he was tooling Lesnar in that part of the game…
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
You know
Just like Mir/Big Nog. Big Nog was hurt, but Mir wasn’t going to be stupid and punch himself out.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
True. Probably he should have sunk in an arm triangle:)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I can watch that GIF all day
Awesome, awesome combo by Nate.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Bad stoppage is a bad choice of words on my part
But I believe at a certain point, he was just throwing a volume of bad punches so the ref would stop it. Lemme make a gif really fast and show you what I mean.
Preemptive stoppage seems better.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Go for it, but I already know the sequence you mean, when he’s just beating on Brock’s arms. That happens when a guy is turtled and the referee is yelling at him. Doesn’t change my point. When you’re in a “near stoppage” situation, the fighter on top is going to just continue to be aggressive, both to show that the hurt fighter can’t stop him, and with the expectation that he’s going to have to drop his guard and do something. You can’t just turtle forever. I don’t question the “non-stoppage” but there’s nothing to criticize Carwin for, other than losing his cool a bit. It happens. If he’d buried a few punches in Lesnar’s ribs or gone for the liver, he might have opened Brock’s defense and really landed a few more. I don’t see this as Carwin complaining that it wasn’t stopped, but more as his reaction to Rosenthal telling Brock he was about to stop it. You pour it on in that situation, and you’d be foolish not to. Shane just would’ve been better served to pick his shots and vary the attack for. In most other cases, that fight would’ve been stopped. Good on Rosenthal, since Brock clearly recovered. And yes, Shane should probably leave it alone.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This is not trying to stop a fight. This is throwing a bunch of punches to get the ref top step in and do what you can't
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s bullshit. I don’t see the gif but I know what moment of the fight you’re talking about. He was throwing the best punches he could at that time, insinuating that he purposely was throwing punches to Lesnar’s arms to get stoppage is ridiculous.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That is incorrect
He could’ve gone to the body, he could’ve tried to mount him, he had plenty of options at that point. Have you ever punched someone? After the first 2 or 3 punches to the forearms of a blocking fighter like that, you vary up the strikes. Get Lesnar to block his body and then kill him in the head.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Rosenthal could’ve stopped the fight, Brock could have done something other than wriggle and hide his face. Could have, would have, bull@@@@.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then, your sarcastic response kind of proves my point.
The person I responded to said he was throwing “the best punches he could”, I responded that he had better options.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No matter thats how guys usually stop fights by making the other fighter turtle and not look to advance. Brock done nothing but put his 2×4 arms in the way of the punches. Others have been stopped for less.
And moving around and not being hurt
and kicking Carwin off with his legs and other things.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Vera kicked Jones away too, Hammill was blocking Jones`elbows as well. Hammill was doign a great job of blocking the blows but he was hurt much like lesnar. Many called that Jones should have got the stoppage long before the 12 to 6 elbows. Same here all he done was cover up and try a up kick once in a while
You can't worry about what people "thought" as people think this fight should've been stopped earlier.
The Hammil fight was stopped because of a DQ, so that is out the window.
As for the “Jones/Vera” fight, Vera WAS kicking away until Jones rocked him with and elbow and Vera’s face was broken and he turned on his stomach holding his face. Anyone who thinks that fight shoud’ve been stopped earlier is a fool as Vera was holding Jones in his guard with hands behind his head and Jones would break out occasionally until the finish.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
After the elbow Vera tried to get Jones away with kicks not before. It was the same as the KimboéJames Thompson fight in which Kimbo was getting hit and not doing nothing to defend (geanted those shots were nothing close to the power Carwin was throwing) and thus no call. The ending of the Kimbo fight is more questionable of course but it still remains it could have been stopped in the second but seeing as the guy getting beat on is the meal ticket im sure the ref felt inclined to give him more extra time that he would not give to another fighter.
Oh c'mon son
He kicked him away and turned on his stomach holding his face. He gave up at that point. I just watched the fight.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
oh jesus yes he was gone. WHat i mean is a dude could be done and still try and fend someone off. Vera was finished the second that elbow landed, he whould have just tapped.
He didn't try
What part of he turned on his stomach and held his face don’t you understand?
That isn’t him defending himself. Poor example of what you are trying to prove so find another.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I said that he was throwing the best punches he could at that time, maybe he can’t throw fucking body punches, or was eager to finish quick, I don’t give a fuck. Insinuating that he tried to look “colourful” to get the stoppage is insane.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he can't throw body punches?
You serious? And of course he was eager to finish quick. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t have been smarter about it. I’m saying he did nothing more “deceitful” than when fighters throw a bunch of punches at the end of a round to “steal” it and put an impression in the judges mind. For some refs, that would’ve worked. Thank goodness it was a competent ref in there.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No I'm not serious, it was a sarcasm.
Yeah, Carwin fought stupid. He should have diversify his attack. That’s not the point. The point is that you imply that he was “faking” to get the stoppage.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I said faking is a strong word but he was clearly throwing a bunch of meaningless shots to get a stoppage
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Or maybe he was a dead man at that point, and had no steam to punch harder.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
OK then. That I can believe and do believe.
So why not just say you got tired and don’t even insinuate that anyone else played a factor? I mean he mentions bronchitis a day after the fight. Of course he doesn’t say “Oh it played a factor”, but he’s is trying to muddy the waters with that proclaimation. Then “it wasn’t cardio, my body seized up, something was wrong with my body”. Again, another deflection. Now it’s “I heard the ref say he was gonna stop it”. More muddying.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
If You Read the Whole Article
Before he said anything about Rosenthal, Carwin states that he went for it and punched himself out…
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, no he didn't
He only says “my body failed me”. Nothing about “punching himself out”. Nothing.
This is what he said about “punching out” but he CLEARLY mentions Rosenthal before all of that and that Rosenthal’s words made him punch more. He later goes on to clarify it in the quote KidNate posted above.
"During the first round, (referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight," explained Carwin, going back over the action from Saturday’s event in Las Vegas. "Every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more and eventually just punched myself out." While many questioned Carwin’s conditioning following the first round, the Grudge Training Center staple says his cardio was not the problem.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, Sorry...
But I wrote the piece and here is exactly what it says, before the quote Nate uses:
"During the first round, (referee) Josh (Rosenthal) was telling Brock to fight back or he will stop the fight," explained Carwin, going back over the action from Saturday’s event in Las Vegas. "Every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more and eventually just punched myself out." While many questioned Carwin’s conditioning following the first round, the Grudge Training Center staple says his cardio was not the problem.
Then comes the part Nate uses.
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jul 8, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I just quoted that, did you not see?
He says “Josh was telling Brock fight back or he will stop the fight”. He brings up Josh way before he says anything about punching out. That’s my point.
He then says every time I heard that, I unloaded a little more. What can you infer from that but Josh’s words being the direct cause of him throwing extra punches. Which he then repeats in the quote Nate posted.
So, um, sorry, but I read the article and he mentions Rosenthal before punching out. And even in mentioning punching out, he uses Josh’s words as the catalyst.
Now unless you have some other quotes that weren’t put in the article.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we just read things differently, as I don’t infer him blaming Rosenthal for losing.
He punched himself out and his body failed him (which he says before the above); giving his thoughts on what caused him to experience the adrenaline dump is very different than say, “Josh Rosenthal caused me to lose.”
To me, the progression is this:
Pounding on Brock, Rosenthal warns of stoppage, push harder, another warning, push even harder, another warning, punched out and no stoppage.
He says he punched himself out and that he pushed harder to get the finish…
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jul 8, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did he punch himself out?
According to his own words, Josh’s words made him pour it on and punch himself out. In his mind, without those words, he doesn’t punch himself out. He doesn’t get an adrenaline dump.
Your timeline incorrectly infers a lot as Josh said there would only be three warnings and Lesnar said there were only two. Where does Carwin say there was three? He doesn’t mention punching himself out until after envoking Josh’s name.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s right in the quote Nate used, at the end.
To me, he’s explaining why he went for it – and I would say most fighters who hear a ref repeatedly telling a grounded opponent that they’re going to stop a fight push a little harder.
That’s not to say that the ref caused the loss, the adrenaline dump or anything else, but just a natural (IMO) reaction to what he heard.
Ultimately, people are going to interpret what Carwin is saying however they want, to frame things they way they choose to, as you do by saying “In his mind.”
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jul 8, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just saying
You said he mentioned “punching out” before Josh’s name. I pointed out that he didn’t. He mentioned Josh and his warnings as a catalyst for why he started punching more.
You can’t help but infer from that if Josh had said nothing that Carwin, by his own words, would’ve have punched himself out.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, so you’re entire point in all of this is that Carwin mentions Josh’s name before he says that he punches himself out. It’s perfectly congruent to take responsibility for yourself and your body while simutaneously explaining what motivated your behavior. Most people would read this as an acknowledgment that he shouldn’t have responded the way he did to josh’s warnings. Oh, and since you’re basing your opinion of him on when he say josh’s name, he does in fact say that he had an adrenaline dump and was unable to recover from it B4 he mentions josh’s name.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Jul 8, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the entire piece in context
He frames the whole discussion of the “adrenaline sump” with Josh’s words. His actions, according to him, were a direct result of Josh’s words.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, he was giving an interview. Someone asked question, he answered it. He didn’t rent a stage to give a speech about his feelings.
Someone asked him to explain the whole adrenaline dump, seized body stuff, maybe his emotions and he did it. What he should say? “I lost, thanks for the interview” or “I have to return some video tapes, we talk later”?
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
*what should he say
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
You can explain an adrenaline dump without even mentioning Rosenthal
by placing the blame where it should be, on yourself.
“Yeah, I had an adrenaline dump. I was punching Brock, but he was defending and I put in all the energy I had into capitalizing on having the champ in such a vulnerable position. My body was spent after I couldn’t finish him.”
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong. Every fight is stopped by the referee. You’re making no sense. It all sounds good now that we’ve seen the fight 10 times. In the moment, to say that Carwin is consciously plotting to trick the referee is a DICK MOVE on your part. What you’re illustrating is an engineer’s brain failing him due to thinking the fight is almost over. Carwin’s not a goddamn doctor, and it’s not his job to sit back and assess whether the man hiding behind his arms is “really hurt” or just “kind of hurt”. I don’t know why you insist on this, but you’re wrong.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying he plotted to "trick" the ref
What I am saying and what his words seem to indicate is that he just threw a bunch of punches with no thought or reason to them in the hopes of getting the ref to stop the fight based on pure volume. That’s what I’m saying.
And he is a fighter. And fighters know when their opponents are hurt. And fighters know how to attack a fighter that is only blocking his face. Instead of using his fighting mind, Shane IMO took the easier way out and just threw a bunch of punches. Then once he got even more tired and realized that hitting the forearms wasn’t going to work, he changed it up.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Shane wasn’t using his head there, and his excitement blew it for him, and he didn’t varying his attack enough. But that’s not at all what you’re saying previously, regardless of your intent. But okay then. “What a dick. I told you guys, I’ve been saying it for weeks,” is completely at odds with your statement above.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
"What a dick move, I told you about this guy man. I've been saying is for weeks" is referring to
his facade of this “good guy” that he’s been putting on. It has nothing to do with his performance in the fight and everything to do with him putting blame on everything else.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He just lost a fight, his first loss, and in a very weird fashion, cut him some slack.
I'm a lover not a fighter
That is true, but it still doesn't take away from the fact that he has somewhat of a facade
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
i just can’t believe anyone would think a person is truly how they are represented in the media.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
There are a lot of stupid people in the world
But it’s not just the media, it’s how he tries and present himself on Twitter, on his blog and on messageboards.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a good guy. I won a glove from his site and he actually paid the 200 bones shipiong for me.
Now if this was brock who laid a smashing on Carwin and then gassed and taped in the same manner you would be cryinbg to the high heavens. The fact you are bias makes yoou go tunnel vision on this topic. The same reason you breakdown did not carry any weight.
If Brock made excuses
I would call him out on it too. You have no reason to blame a ref (or even indirectly blame) for you punching out. You don’t know what I would say. My breakdown was pretty spot on if you read it. I questioned his cardio and his mental place in the fight. I did underestimate his wrestling.
And my final piece outlined that the Hulk (Brock) would take the Thing’s (Carwin) best shots and still win. Lo and behold, that’s what happened.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok put your self in the position of a title fight and you`re on top of the guy just smashing him and the ref states that if the dude on the bottom does not move he will stop it, what do you do
i say you go ape shit like carwin did and look for the finish. He said what caused him to throw the flury of punches, but it was the punches that cause him to lose motor functions. But keep reaching dude and yes i read all of your breakdowns and shit. You put together a nice piece but it was just to bias to take seriously.
by Riley_96 on Jul 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not if you're a smart fighter with a limited gas tank
Truth be told, Shane was looking tired after the first flurry. Why he continued throwing massive amounts of unsmart punches, I don’t know. If he chooses to go berserk, that goes into that mindset. Mental toughness.
You go berserk when you have your opponent really hurt a la Mir/Lesnar II, Carwin/Mir, Lesnar/Couture, Serra/GSP I, Machida/Evans, Evans/Griffin, etc Not when he is clearly defending your punches and actively moving.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar was really hurt. The dude dropped like a rock and then just covered his face. Brock probably went out like twice in that fight but has great recovery. he then went into the second round and picked up a great win.
There is nothing to discredit his win nor have i tried. Lesnar is a monster and diserved that win, but in many cases that fight would have been stopped.
by Riley_96 on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Again, you're assuming a great deal
I don’t doubt Lesnar was hurt, but “out”? Nah. That knee and the followup uppercut was what fucked his world up. His “eggs” were scrambled and he recovered and defended himself. The only reason you stop that fight is aesthetics and not actual reality. You see a number of punches being thrown (whether or not they land) is inconsquential) and you think to stop the fight. A great ref will converse with the downed fighter and assess that the punches weren’t landing.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock probably does not remember a great deal of that fight seeing as he was getting smashed and also he was in full fight or flight mode. Also i doubt he would admit to being put out any way.
Considering he DID already admit it, you would be incorrect
He said the knee and followup uppercut did him in and he didn’t remember anything until he was against the cage on his butt.
He also had no problem admitting that Mir’s knee had him seeing “tweety birds for a sec”. He’s not the type of fighter to fake like he wasn’t hurt.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i think everyone acknowledges that. You, however, are the only person who draws the conclusion that Carwin is a dick or not a good guy.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Jul 8, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I drew the conclusion that it was a dick move and that he is not the "Mr. Morals and Goodness" that tries to portray.
Never said he was a bad guy.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:39 AM EDT up reply actions
How is calling a guy a dick not fighter bashing?
by Manzanillos Cup on Jul 8, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was supposed to be what a dick MOVE
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for clarifying that
it was fighter bashing to just call him a dick. please avoid such constructions in the future.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Black Lesnar is just upset that he was blocked off Shane’s twitter and Shane ripped his article, so he’s been making jabs at Carwin ever since. Though I find it interesting how there was a poster on the UG forums by the name of BlackLesnar who was trolling Carwin questions thread.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I'm not upset at all, I found it funny as he proved my point about him
His 14-year old-esque response to an article that critiqued his skills (which if you go back and read it…it was pretty spot on) made me laugh. You won’t find any comments on Twitter of me “bashing” him either. I’ve been saying his persona was phony for months ever since he tried to prop himself up as the “Moral Authority” of the HW division while being a hypocrite and doing the same things he denigrated others for.
And I didn’t “troll” his questions thread, I asked him who he would like to fight after the loss. I “trolled” because I didn’t lick his balls just because he posts on the board. I’ve given him props where it was due. He kicked Lesnar’s ass in the first 3 minutes of the fight. But since you’re researching my posts, find the one two or three weeks before the fight where I showed the numerous ways he’s been taking potshots while proclaiming himself the moral authority.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You're so clearly projecting a character on to him
that there’s no reason to discuss Carwin related matters with you.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
stop smelling your own farts dude. You wrapped up your lesnar love in that thing you called a breakdown when really it was a week of posts that all read the same “Carwin bad Lesnar good”
by Riley_96 on Jul 8, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Dude must be from San Fran
I throw raps that attack like the Japs on Pearl Harbor/MC's be out like bank robbers/Fleeing the scene, to be a sole survivor/DJ the getaway driver/Tried to dip but he dive, I socialize on vocal vibes/On tracks stabbed up with razor sharp knives
by Anthony Pace on Jul 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd for the South Park reference
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a good series
Those that don’t write FanPost’s shouldn’t shit on those that do.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
People can call it "biased" all they want
But they’d be hard-pressed to find out what I said that was inaccurate besides underestimating Carwin’s wrestling.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I do write fanposts when i have time, currently working a commission job and i like to keep making 800 dollars a day therefore BE goes on the back burner
here is a breakdown of 113
I feel ya, I like making money too
Keep working and get that paper.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
only FanPosts, or should you not criticize anything that you don’t actively participate in? Like making movies, or music, or politics, or… fighting?
Hey Pete
R.I.P.
You can criticize whatever you want without actively participating in (tho I see you tried to stealthy imply that I don't nor haven't fought and therefore can't critique it)
But you need to have validity in your criticism. He dismissed 5 whole articles as Lesnar “fanboyism” and yet can’t find instances of it. I felt my analysis was wholly accurate and if written by someone under a different name, say yours, there would be no cries of biases. If the gentleman can find a few instances of bias, he’d have a point, but alas.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i have already spoke about them tons of times and thus feel no need to go back over. You give Brock all the readit in the world for his stand up even tho is isnt that good. In the Herring fight i told you if he had not been stepping forward on that punch and kept his legs so far apart there would have been no power on his punches. If Brock was facing a guy with great leg kicks he would have gotten his front leg destroyed.
The proper way to do what he did was step in by moving the back foot closer not just punching while you plant your foot.
No you didn't, you mentioned one thing about footwork and said blah blah.
I didn’t give Lesnar all the credit in the world. I gave him credit for his technique (except for Mir II) and backed it up with gifs and pics. Show me where I was wrong. I said his standup was ADEQUATE. That’s doesn’t mean good. I also said it was not good during Mir II (which it wasn’t).
As for the Herring fight, that’s the way he punches. He’s far away and steps forward really fast to close distance. that’s how he generates his power. I said that, Kid Nate said that and an article he linked in his Judo Chop broke it down as well. We all used pics and gifs to back up our statements. Were all three of use biased? You can read the comments in the Kid Nate article of other members breaking down the mechanics of that punch. Were they biased? No.
And Brock’s front leg was way out of Herring’s leg kick reach. Look at the pictures. He jumps in really fast and by that time, it’s too late. Unless you’re Dhalsim, you’re not legkicking Lesnar in that punch.
Again, this one criticism (which is wrong) does not invalidate 5 days of work.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Could you kindly point out where I was off-base
besides underestimating his wrestling? The jist of it was Carwin hits hard with no real technique. I think we found that out Saturday.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You thought Carwin's footwork in this fight was good?
Seriously? Did you also think he stance was good? His hands were still low. He’s lucky Lesnar’s striking has gone to shit after the Randy fight. Put him in there with a good striker and it’s a wrap. Seriously, watch his footwork. And tt was an assessment of him based on previous fights and his footwork was bad in those too.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Going into his question and answers thread and asking him “who do you want to fight when you lose?” and posting Brock Lesnar hype videos in the same post is trolling. That is so disrespectful! How many MMA journalist do you see asking fighters in interviews what do their going to do when they lose before the fight happens? They don’t.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I'm not an MMA journalist
And it wasn’t an Interview.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say you were one, but regardless if your a fan or a journalist or if it wasn interview or q&a thread, it’s in very poor taste and disrespectful to a fighter before the fight happens. That’s why you don’t see question’s like that in interviews. You asking Carwin in “After you lose you, who would you like to fight? Todd Duffee?” and “Who would you like to face after the Brock loss? JDS/Nelson?” and in the same comment posting your Brock Lesnar Hype video is clearly trolling the guy and showing your bias as a Lesnar fan.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=1&thread=1652481&page=13
page 13 and 11 shows it right there.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
People are asking legitimate questions
And I asked two legit questions. Was it wrong to assume he was losing? I don’t think so. Just like it wasn’t wrong for people to assume he was winning. Posting my vid, eh, that might be the line right there. Clearly it was an informal thread, one not even started by Carwin himself, but by a “fan”. Most of the questions assume he would beat Brock, but I’m “wrong” because I went the other way. I guarantee if there was an “Ask brock Lesnar your questions” thread, it would be filled with anti-Lesnar sentiment. Heavens forbid someone ask a legit question. If I wanted to “troll”, I would’ve asked him a much worse and trollish question.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I never try to portray myself as a "moral authority" in blogging
It is sort of being a dick, I reckon, but there’s no halo on my head.
Rec’d though.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
So two wrongs make a right?
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
What was "wrong"?
It’s not “wrong” to ask a fighter who they would like to fight in case they lose. If I had said “Who would you like to fight after Lesnar pounds you into submission, you overrated bum?” That is a wrong. In an informal thread (not even started by Carwin himself), that isn’t wrong at all. I’m flattered you remembered my post though.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
it is wrong
to ask a fighter who they’ll fight if they lose. There’s no “ifs” when you’re training for a fight in regards to winning. You truly believe you are the best and will win; if not, you’ve already lost the mental game when you start throwing doubt around.
so yes, it is wrong to make a fighter doubt himself.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't even asking a fighter
it was posting questions in a thread a fan started which may or may not get answered. I mean, you know the guy is training for a title shot.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
now your monkeying around and arguing simiantics
(see what i did there?)
your user name, combined with the question in a thread you knew shane would read, leads me to believe that it was wrong.
I mean honestly- how do you not see that? I mean circumstantial as may be, when you get enough circumstantial evidence, you can piece it together. See: Scott Peterson.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a matter of looking at the circumstances
If I was truly trying to “troll”, I would’ve been much more troll-like in the question. Again, there are lots of threads on there that “talk” to Shane Carwin. Was it being somewhat of a dick? Yes, but I don’t claim to be Mr. Morals at all. I’m far from it. I am a dick and will admit it from the highest of mountains. Perhaps in retrospect, I should’ve waited until after he lost to post that. Such is life.
As for my name, Lesnar isn’t even my favorite fighter, it’s hard to make a funny name with Anderson Silva. There’s a guy named Broke Lesnar and Barack Lesnar too.
And Scott Peterson wasn’t convicted on “circumstantial evidence”.
Nice “simiantics” ref, but I’ve seen that before.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Troll
again I hate that fucking phrase. Do people even know what a fucking troll is?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
scott peterson was convicted on solely circumstantial evidence.
No witnesses, no weapon, and a mutilated, washed up body. There was no hard evidence, it was all circumstantial. That’s why the case was so controversial- it was really obvious he did it to everyone who had eyes, but there was no hard evidence to convict.
The rest of your post: not claiming your mister morals, and I liked your write-ups on lesnar/carwin before the fight actually, thought they were accurate (though pretty biased).
In conclusion, what you did to shane carwin was truly dickish. I don’t care what you call it- being a troll, being a dick, whatever, lets call a spade a spade: you intentionally asked a question that you would NEVER ask him face to face, knowing it would invoke ire in people who read it, that you knew Shane would read. Grade A dickery. I’m a dick, but I’ve got a lot of respect for what these guys do, which if you’ve ever even lightly sparred or rolled, would realize that this is an incredibly taxing (yet emotionally and physically rewarding) sport.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
please excuse the awful grammar and run-on sentence at the end
though i think the general meaning got through
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right in a sense
He was basically convicted by no real physical evidence, but I maintain he had a poor defense. As good as Geragos has been in the past, he was terrible in his rebuttals and dissemination of the affirmative’s “evidence”.
I a) admit I’m a dick, b) also have great respect for fighters even Carwin but, like you said, will call a spade a spade, and c) why wouldn’t I say it in his “face”, if he hits me, I win a lawsuit. That’s really the last bastion of rebuttals IMO.
I refuse to call that question “trolling”, do people know what real trolling is? But that’s neither here not there. The same way the focus has been taking off Carwin’s comments and on me is the same way the focus has been taken off Carwin gassing and on Josh saying he was gonna stop the fight (which we don’t know exactly what he said).
And was that “spade a spade” racial “trolling”. Hmmm. Lol.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you know...i've never thought about that
i guess i really shouldn’t use that phrase anymore, it probably does have racist undertones. Same with “Cotton-pickin’” and yosemite same.
I also wasn’t assuming Shane would “come at you bro” haha, just that you would never have the balls to say that to a professional fighters’ face. Not because they’d hit you, just because of the sheer lack of respect.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah, "calling a spade a spade" has nothing to do with the ethnic slur
I was being funny.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
also i just want to point out
that poor defense or not, all evidence behind him was circumstantial, and he therefore was convicted because of circumstantial evidence. Poor defense can be an excuse, but the reason for the conviction came about because of circumstantial evidence.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm not sure if i can ever use the word circumstantial again
after i used it 50x in this post.
by Body Triangle on Jul 8, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fighter bashing
Where is the consistency?
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he's been warned
but Black Lesnar has also contributed some really interesting fanposts so he gets a little latitude. Just like MMAlogic and MMASupremacy and the others that we give a little latitude, they’re contributing something interesting, not just being dicks.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
I take exception to that… when has mmasupremacy been a dick?
I had a comment erased by your new boy toy because he couldnt handle an adult conversation. I took time to address his argument point by point… If he ever wastes my time like that again he’s gonna be known as the guy who breaks into farms and fucks goats.
If Im out of line it’s one thing… if Im wrong it’s one thing… if it’s a difference of opinion it’s one thing… but when he doesn’t want to hear something he just erases the fuckin conversation like a baby.
This is your and lukes house. You can invite and dissinvite who you want… it’s your right. I take off my shoes before entering and sometimes when the food that’s being served sucks I throw up… cant help it. But if that fucker ever wastes my time again his claim to fame will be the guy who sodomizes farm animals.
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You really need to calm down dude.
You shouldn’t get any leeway after posting some shit like this.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 8, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
we hid your comments not snowden
because you were way way over the line.
We let you rub your muddy boots on the suede carpet because you’re rick james bitch, but we’ll also drag you out the door and frog your legs until you can’t walk — ie hide your bullshit.
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zis is gittin kinky eh?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 8, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
uh
Why isn’t Black Lesnar banned for fighter bashing?
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
because
1) he clarified and explained
2) he contributes really good FanPosts.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
So says the guy that lost, dude seems to have a hard time of letting it go. Move on and improve.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
I do believe him when he says he could beat Brock.
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jul 8, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Mir is thinking to himself that if he only lasted 60 more seconds he could have beaten carwin.
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
No, actually...
Frank Mir is thinking to himself:
“From the time Shane caught me with that first uppercut, over half the shots that connected were to the back of my head…including the one at 1:15 remaining that was directly on the base of the skull & KMTFO…”
Even Mir let it go without public comment…
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 9, 2010 8:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly
You didn’t hear Mir comment on Big Dan’s piss poor reffing allowing 20 plus back of the head shots.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I wondered if he would feel that way
He isn’t really blaming the ref per se, and really the ref indicating he was about to stop it helped Carwin in the sense that it increased his urgency to finish which came close to getting him the win. Shane has to learn to not let outside influences dictate his fight, regardless.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 10 recs
He's deflecting blame
And not taking responsibility for his own shortcomings.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
by Worldisart on Jul 8, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I understand
why people might take it that way, I think he’s probably just giving what he thinks is an honest assessment of what happened with him in the fight. I don’t see where he is blaming Josh really.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I didn't say he was blaming Josh
But he certainly isn’t taking responsibility for the loss. Challenging his critics to come watch him spar for 25 minutes is special. Unfortunately there is now footage of him spent, for whatever reason, after 5 minutes of action.
Shane should shut up, take the loss like a man, find ways to improve and let his performance in his return to the cage silence his critics.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
by Worldisart on Jul 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
This sucks
because I TOTALLY understand your point and in a lot of ways agree with what you’re saying.
I just feel like we shouldn’t villainize an athlete for giving his opinion on what went wrong on why he lost. If it’s an honest assessment, and I think this is, I actually welcome the insight.
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Jul 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
That's fine if it's an honest attempt to talk about it
Shane’s comments strike be as a direct attack directed towards people critical of his performance. Guess what Shane, people should be critical of your performance because you lost!
Has he not seen the penomenal criticism the winner of the fight has been subjected to? Has Lesnar challenged all those people to come join him at the gym?
I don’t expect people to be gracious in defeat. Losing is hard. I remember when I was playing basketball in university how much it sucked. And at the level Shane’s at, it must be magnified a hundred times over. But lashing out at people leveling honest criticism at you is weak no matter how you spin it.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
by Worldisart on Jul 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly my point as well
Lesnar, the winner, is getting tons more criticism than the loser. Lesnar hasn’t whined or pointed any fingers. He hasn’t mentioned ring rust or his illness at all as to his performance. He gave Shane all the credit in the world in that he hits hard and is a great fighter. He didn’t sink those with complaints and whines.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh for fuck sake you talking as if Carwin is taking all the credit away from Brock. He said he got beat and that he will come back better. Also being that close to winning a major championship and having people ask you day in and day out how he felt about the ref not stopping the fight must get tiresome. GSP got the same flack when people got on his nerves about serra and he gave his opinion.
People hadn't really asked him anything after the fight
and he was already saying it wasn’t cardio directly after it. No less than 24 hours after, he’s got bronchitis.
Sounds like BJ Penn in the GSP/Penn I fight and his rib, except he actually broke his rib during the fight.
GSP never made excuses until at least a few months later when he said he didn’t train that fight really. At least he allowed Serra to have a legit win for a while.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Penn broke his rib in the Hughes fight.
Also any win is a legit win no matter who wants to discount it. Lyoto beat Shogun, many like to say he dident but it will always read on paper that he beat him by UD. Any win is a legit win because both fighters know what they are getting into and if they choose to fight hurt their bad and its not the other guys fault if they look like shit.
I meant Hughes. LOL
A win is a win. That’s what I’m saying. And a loss is a loss. You didn’t hear Shogun blame the judges at ALL. His fans did. Shogun took the loss like a man. And he had a much bigger case to complain or “indirectly infer” than Carwin did.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
People are asking him why did his carido go out and he told them he had a dump, which is common in fighting. When they asked what caused the dump he said when he felt he was close to ending the fight he threw fluries. He knew he was close because the ref said so.
Adrenaline dumps are common in big fights
However, he is directly attributing his punching himself out with Josh’s words. You’re trying to add more space that necessary between his mention of adrenaline dump and Josh. He could’ve mentioned the adrenaline dump without saying Josh’s name in just saying he punched himself out because he felt Lesnar was almost down and he wanted to go for it. He felt Lesnar was done because he was on the ground hurt from his GnP. No need to mention the ref at all.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow your still on here arguing? lol
But yeah a simple detail he talked about you have zoned in on and havent shut up about it since. He punched himself out with the fluries,many things can cause someone to flury. A fighter feels the other go limp, fighter lands one clean blow and goes to town, or in this case the ref gave an indication that the fight may soon be over so he worked to make it happen faster.
Bottom line is there is an excuse to every loss. My defense was shit so the guy his me, he was faster and beat me to the punch, better on the ground etc.. is Carwin reaching with this? No its probably true, he heard the ref make a statement that the fight may soon be over so he went ae shit looking to stop it and in the process spent all his energy.
I could say the same for you.
The fact is he mentioned punching himself out within the context of Josh saying (according to Carwin) that he would stop the fight. Like I said, directly blaming? No. Indirectly? Decidedly yes.
Like I said in my original point (and later clarified), when he heard that, he began to throw a bunch of punches that did no damage in the hopes to create a stoppage (which we can see wasn’t justified).
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
instead of telling top 10 fighters to shut up maybe you could just not listen to them.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Jul 8, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
But then
You’re not a fighter so you have no clue what it’s like to be in that situation.
Good for the internet.
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He's right that he's the best guy to do it but he failed.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I can't believe this...
I’m actually starting to believe in what Fagan is saying.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
Yeah
You gassing isn’t the ref’s fault, Shane.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 8, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
which is what?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 8, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Excuses are like assholes
We all have them and they all stink.
Take your loss like a man Shane. Easy to blame the ref, or whoever else then look in the mirror and accept responsibility for your own short comings.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
Exactly. No amount of whine is going to change the result.
Its just that now you get dumped in with some of the other’s who can’t own up to a loss (you know who you are…BJ, Kos, Mir, Rampage for starters…)
Maybe BJ’s mother is available to advise you on how to protest this…
DAMN…just STFU, get back in the gym, and wait for your next chance to KHTFO…
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Rosenthal may indeed have told
Brock he was going to end it, but Brock was able to react each time and kick Carwin away or someone show he was defending himself against that onslaught. Thank goodness it wasn’t stopped.
You’ve got to imagine that he’s been peppered with this “you have no cardio” comments since the fight happened… But an excuse for why you blew your wad is not necessary..
He’s right though, he has the tools to beat Lesnar right now. If he paced himself and selected his shots better, he likely would’ve won.
The question is, how much will Lesnar improve by the time he faces Carwin next time?
I don’t know if he’ll be able to beat him then…
He was making excuses almost instantly before the shit started coming in
Was it an adrenaline dump when he was breathing heavy after beating Mir?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is, how much will Lesnar improve by the time he faces Carwin next time?
That’s a good question. After the Mir loss, one can argue we’ve seen a steadily improving Lesnar each subsequent fight. He showed he learned not to rush things against Herring(as well as exhibited he had the gas tank to go three rounds), and also showed he learned how to deal with BJJ in the second Mir fight. I think the Carwin fight showed Lesnar’s stand-up still needs serious work, but he showed his ground game continues to evolve with the arm triangle submission, as well as his transition from passing the full guard to eventually side control.
I consider Carwin more of a threat to Lesnar than Cain, so assuming Brock makes it past Velasquez and the JDS/Nelson winner, and barring any injuries, Shane could be as close as two fights away from a rematch for the title. Is that enough time for Lesnar to improve enough to deal with a Shane Carwin who’s learned from his mistake?
Lesnar's progression between fights was non-existant for this one
I see nothing in this fight that was better than his last fight with Mir. Nothing.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Should be interesting to see how he approaches Cain...
I don’t think Cain presents the same kind of dangers Carwin did. Even with his own respectable number of stoppages, I’d be legitimately surprised if he could get Brock to cover up the way Shane did.
If I were running Lesnar's camp for Cain
I would completely work on striking defense. In my opinion, Cain is gonna push Lesnar. My gameplan would be to get Cain in a position where you can defeat him. You’re not gonn wear him down against the cage. Once Lesnar gets on top of him, it’s more than likely a wrap.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
True.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
His defense off his back for another
by Steve4192 on Jul 9, 2010 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He'd never been on his back before though
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"Everyone can be beaten"...........
even Shane Carwin
He certainly has what it takes to beat Lesnar… unfortunately for him Brock will be alot better next time they fight.
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I find your headline miss-leading. Carwin isn’t blaming Rosenthal, he’s merely stating what was said and how he responded to it during the fight. He’s already stated that the ref did a good job and he has no one to blame but himself.
by Niles on Jul 8, 2010 5:11 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Here is the deal
What he is saying makes total and complete sense. It’s likely the same thing that most everyone would be saying or at least thinking. “I thought I had him, the ref was saying he was about to stop it so that made me push all the more.”
There is nothing bad or unreasonable about that. The adrenaline dump was sure to come and there is nothing unreasonable about that.
He isn’t blaming Rosenthal for anything, he is simply stating that what Rosenthal said led him to do what he did which in turn caused the adrenaline dump.
Next time he will know….if you aren’t finishing the guy…then back up and let him get back up.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
I’d agree with that.
And really how many people predicted or thought he might run out of gas for the sheer fact he’s never been out of the first round? That’s not an uncommon thing, and you can train all you want. The fact of the matter is you can’t train for round 2 of a championship fight in the gym. That experience can’t be replicated. So until you experience it you don’t know what will happen really.
I did
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Key words: "...or at least thinking."
I would be thinking the exact same thing, what I would not do, as a 35-year old HW in the UFC is start whinning about it…
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 8, 2010 5:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His choice of words did sound like he was blaming Rosenthal
“I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,’ and then not stopping it.”
He could have said:
“I really went for the finish when the ref started warning Brock he was going to stop it, but I couldn’t stop Brock and I blew all the energy I had. But I learned something from this fight, and I’ll be smarter and a better fighter next time.”
Instead he mentions the ref by name and exactly how many times the ref said he was going to stop it. Is he partly blaming the ref right now? Sure he is.
by Django Z on Jul 8, 2010 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd because its obvious
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a classic wwe style role reversal, Brock is now the face with carwin the heel, carwin even shaved his head to reflect the heel turn.
by kanodogg on Jul 8, 2010 5:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
All the hate spilling on Carwin now is insane.
He says he heard the ref and reacted, but didn’t get the finish. Because of his reaction his body crapped out. I don’t see him deflecting responsibility at all. Y’all are just hating to hate…
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 24 recs
Rec'd for
recognizing another questionable effort to increase web traffic.
by Daveyboy on Jul 8, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't fault Nate for his headlines.
I fault the commenters for eating it up and reacting so poorly to an innocuous quote.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Blames" in the title?
Somewhat questionable and I do, to a point, understand the motives. We’re on the same page though as far as the subject goes.
That’s why I took from it. Next time I’ll only peruse the article and then sprout off based on my preconceived notions of what is being discussed. Maybe then I’ll understand what a dick (insert name) is.
The way people are reacting, you'd think someone threw a chair.
People always start fightin’ when someone throws a chair.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If there's going to be a fight I better take my clothes off
I’ve seen COPS enough to know you want to always fight nude.
Old school pankration rules!
Naked, and you lose if you kill your opponent.
Seriously though, I can’t fathom how people are interpreting this quote in ways to hate Carwin. This is the same community that ignored the inane excuses of Mike Brown following his past two losses (Thiago Alves hurt me in practice, my girlfriend broke up with me and I’m sad). People are clearly just looking for a reason to knock Carwin and I can’t figure out why…
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thin-slicing
We have the amazing ability to rapidly make large mental leaps based on very little information. Unfortunately we often use this to justify preexisting opinions or biases. I fall for this all the time, so i can’t claim to be superior to anyone else. But I am aware of it and consciously work to overcome it.
And those Greeks knew how to fight naked. Not like todays pussies.
by John Nash on Jul 8, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
rec'd for the boondocks reference
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
The article's content is pretty clear.
Reading the whole thing doesn’t seem too necessary I guess.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the HuffPo specialty
The headline on their front page is in big red letters like “OBAMA SAYS GOVERNMENT IS DEAD” when his quote in the story is something like “government is full of dead ideas.”
I throw raps that attack like the Japs on Pearl Harbor/MC's be out like bank robbers/Fleeing the scene, to be a sole survivor/DJ the getaway driver/Tried to dip but he dive, I socialize on vocal vibes/On tracks stabbed up with razor sharp knives
“IDAHO SENATOR ARRESTED FOR SOLICITING MEN IN AIRPORT BATHROOM”
…oh wait, that actually happened.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Should have gotten some pointers from Ted Haggard.
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 9, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You could read the whole thing but then the article’s title says that he blames the ref for it…?
So either the reader thinks this a tabloid site and dismisses it or that’s what Carwin said but wasn’t included in the quote or that must be what he meant and the reader didnt get it cause obviously people who write articles on blogs know what they’re talking about…
He didn't say that
Rosenthal shouldn’t have said what he said.
I think he was trying to say that “hearing” him say that made him react in a way that led to a mental and physical drain.
Before we all criticize Carwin
How is this any different than Brock complaining about Steve Mazzagatti after Mir made him tap?
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
It's completely different.
Brock was complaining because he had to tap like 5 times before Mazzagatti called the fight. He could have been seriously hurt. This doesn’t compare in any way.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I was thinking more about the point deduction in that fight.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
Well, in that case
Brock had a legit reason to be upset. Not giving a single warning and the manner in which it occurred. That was complete bullshit. Mazz fucking sucks.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
mazzagatti claims that he warned him. and it was an illegal blow whether it was one time or multiple. mazzagatti made a judgement call within the rules, similar to rosenthal.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
Mir has admitted that he heard no warning
Lesnar wasn’t that upset about the deduction, his anger comes from Mazz making him tap 10 times before he called it.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He asked the NSAC to remove Mazzagatti from consideration for a later fight because of his “controversial ruling” in the fight. I dont think that ruling was taking to long to stop the fight.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
And because of a perceived bias against him
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so, but it goes back to the initial point. Lesnar blamed his loss in part on the referee. Carwin did the same. So did BJ Penn after Penn/GSP II. So did Roy Nelson after he lost to Andrei Arlovski.
It happens. Fighters complain about losses. They blame themselves and they blame the refs/judges. There isn’t any difference here. Carwin was explaining one of the reasons why he went all out in an attempt to finish Lesnar there.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
There's a bit of difference
In saying a ref stood you up errorneously while you were in a dominate position and saying the ref’s words made you throw more punches which led to you gassing bronchitis body seizing up.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t stand him up erroneously. Lesnar broke the rules. The ref is within his rights to stand them up and deduct a point. It seems harsh relative to how other refs react, but these are heavyweights and Lesnar hits hard. Seems like one illegal blow is enough to affect Mir.
And being placed in a neutral position seems to me to be not as harsh as wasting all your energy for a stoppage that isn’t going to come.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
You’re being extremely literal here with no give. Never in the history of the UFC has a fighter been stood up AND a point deducted from back of the head shot(s) without any warning. The blow didn’t even effect Mir as he continued to move and even looked bewildered for a sec right before he hopped right up.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
The dec to stand them up was Terrible, gotta admit that. Thank goodness Brock was able to punch off mazagattis mustache in retribution
by kanodogg on Jul 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate excuses
C’mon Carwin. Dude, if your pounding on that giant dome of Brock’s and not really connecting at what point do you back up and let the phased Lesnar try to stand with you? Instead of dumping all over his chest with your punches that weren’t connecting cleanly, and wasting energy maybe you should of let Rosenthal stand him up so you could finish him with the standup.
Don’t make an excuse because your gameplan went to shit. Or because you didn’t execute it.
I write sometimes for Cagedinsider.com
Wow!
I don’t really know anybody here but most of you are coming off like 15 yr. old Twilight fans about this fight. Brock won. Shane almost beat him and said he was going for the TKO. He never blamed Josh and, in fact, said he did a good job.
by Shatto1 on Jul 8, 2010 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Agree completely, everyone is reading way too much into this. Shane even tweeted to Nate that he doesn’t blame anyone.
by ufc4 on Jul 8, 2010 5:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
carwin lol
shane is just finding reason to complain about him losing..1st he said the ref did a good job now he contradicts himself and blames HIS OWN DUMP on the ref..come on man..u can beat brock but u will have to work ur way up the ladder to find out.. by the way brock will beat cain and jds or nelson..and then by that time he will be beast enough( HOPEFULLY) to just take carwin out the 1st round…BROCK
Carwin is catching a lot of heat in this thread
Because no one has mentioned Fedor or Jon Snowden yet. Now that they are both out in the open to criticize in this thread, get after it BROCKaholics.
"All I guarantee is violence" - Wand
Read the Whole Article
Before he talked about the adrenaline dump and Rosenthal saying he was going to stop the fight, he said that he punched himself out.
He’s not making excuses for the loss; he’s explaining what he feels contributed to his body reacting the way it did… and, as it says at the start of the quote, he’s talking about the adrenaline dump in reference to those who have said he gassed and questioned his cardio.
It is a misrepresentation of his words when you don’t include what he said before this to frame the quote that is used here.
by E. Spencer Kyte on Jul 8, 2010 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
every1 always hates on brock so why cant the fans hate on carwin??
it goes both ways ppl…stop crying about ppl hating on carwin bc ppl always hate on brock..brock won with a sub.. carwin cant complain..he gassed himself out.. not the ref… let the fans hate on carwin for a little bit bc soon as there is a brock vs cain post every1 will just hate on brock again for no reason…brock will beat cain tho..
Headline Should Read
Carwin Attributes Adrenaline Dump to Referee Actions.
He turns it up three times – because each time Rosenthal verbally indicates he is close to calling the fight – and wore himself out. Nothing more or less. But the headline is misleading enough to call the Brock nuthuggers and Carwin haters to arms.
by AzianG on Jul 8, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 6 recs
thank you
that is much better
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by DayGeaux on Jul 9, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who knows maybe he is telling the truth and it did take alot out of him hearing Rosenthall say those words to Brock a few times who really knows only Shane does ?
But even if thats is the case I really think Shane should just keep those thoughts to himself and thats. Fighters really have to learn after a defeat anything they say that could of Contributed to the loss will be looked at as a excuse aand nothing more even if its not ment to be looked at like that. There is nothing you can really say after a loss especially in a title fight to help you out with your fabns or to gain new fans other then My opponent was better then me that night. other then something like that fighters and all athletes after a BIG loss need to just keep there dam mouth shut and stay the hell away from there twitter account.
BE is pretty much trolling for hits now
Throw out the hooks and wait for the 300+ comment “debates” to follow.
Except for Leland and the other writers.
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Yeah
People talk shit about my little fan posts being sensationl
this is just as bad.
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Your fanposts aren't sensationalist
They’re well written troll jobs.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
by Worldisart on Jul 8, 2010 7:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah...
It’s gotten really bad lately. I enjoy that they take the time to clip together news from all the other MMA sites into an easily digested format, but lately it seems like it’s 50% other site’s news, 40% trolling and 10% original content around here.
I get it that the site admins will proudly chuckle about how much traffic they get from stuff like this, but it’s also stuff like this which is why nobody considers MMA blogs credible.
Trolling
has lost all meaning. It gets thrown out whenever someone says something someone else doesn’t agree with. I’m fucking tired of that stupid ass phrase.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 8, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's pretty simple
When something is said that is deliberately inflammatory to try to get a reaction.
The original headline was, the new headline isn’t so much.
It’s the difference between “Fedor’s unbeaten streak ends” and “Fedor has always been overrated and was never good”. Two different ways of saying the same thing, one meant to rile people up.
who would bet against Carwin in a rematch? i wouldnt.
"I’m not going to stop yelling because that would mean, I lost the fight!"-Kenny Powers
shooter/cutter for AllElbows.com and MMAFighting.com, mma enthusiast
Sweet, I’ll be glad to take your money come rematch time.
by ufc4 on Jul 8, 2010 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He asked. I answered.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I absolutely would.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
Even odds? Absolutely.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 9, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
"I don't blame anyone Nate."
next headline. “shane says its not his fault either”
lol Nothing grabs attention like a kid nate headline. Priceless
by Gi_choke on Jul 8, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The internet is ridiculous
an argument with a twitter response to the person the article is about. DUMB.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
Lesnar WON.
Shane’s problem wasn’t the ref, it was that once on the ground he had nothing more than just punches to the head. When Brock was covering up he could have gone to the body, thrown knees, worked to advance his position. Instead he just sat up on him like a lummox throwing arm punches and tiring himself out. Sorry. Do more to win and you will win. As I watched the fight I kept yelling “go to the body” and “slow down”! Watch how Bonner finished K-Sos. Shane thought he was gonna win, freaked out, and the just stopped thinking and started punching.
Cain Velasquez won’t make that mistake so Brock better work on his defensive boxing.
Vote Quimby
by mason_beer on Jul 8, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If he would've thrown knees to the body
Lesnar would’ve been hurt. It was like Shane had no idea how to ground and pound.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
yep
he needed to move those massive arms down off his head so he could throw more elbows.
Vote Quimby
That one BIG elbow he threw was set up because lesnar's hands were down trying to control Carwin's legs
Why Carwin never tried to control Brock’s body again (until he was too tired to do so), is beyond me.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
because he's one-dimensional and didn't know how
not trying to knock the guy because he’s tougher than anyone, hits like a brick, and has earned the right to be called one of the best heavyweights in the UFC – but he just doesn’t know how to do as much as Brock does. Sorry.
Vote Quimby
I think he knows how (even though I've never seen a body shot from him)
but he believes in his hands so much that he felt they would do the job.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Falling in love with the KO
He’s had so much success knocking people out that he’s become a head hunter. I have no doubt he knows how to effectively hurt the body and knows how to effectively throw a knee on the ground but he’s too much in love with punching people in the head to switch it up when that doesn’t work.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
by Worldisart on Jul 8, 2010 7:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And I think it's not far off to connect the dots here LOL
He clearly blames an adrenaline dump for him gassing and not cardio. He then says that the biggest factor in that adrenaline dump was Rosenthal saying he was going to stop the fight.
Given, according to Carwin:
Loss = adrenaline dump
Loss =/= lack of cardio
Loss =/= Lesnar beating him
Adrenaline dump >= Rosenthal saying he was going to stop the fight
Using the substitutive property of geometry:
Loss >= Rosenthal saying he was going to stop the fight.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
What?
He’s admitting he got excited and his adrenaline dumped. He’s blaming no one. There is blame, there are excuses, and then there are circumstances. He’s saying the circumstances happened, it’s no one’s fault. Your articles before the fight were great, but you’re hating HARD on Carwin for no reason.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 8, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He got excited because of the ref
Hypothetically, if the ref doesn’t say “i’m gonna stop it”, he doesn’t tire himself out with unnecessary punches.
That is in Carwin’s mind of course.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
and maybe the ref should not say im going to stop it. Just say advance.
Not much changed after he first said im going to stop it so therefore probably should have been. Josh did not stop it and it turned into the cluster fuckyou see now.
How do you know when the ref said that or even that it was a direct quote?
Lesnar says he said something different.
I’m willing to believe it was somewhere in the middle “If you don’t show me something, I’m gonna stop the fight”
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
well during the live boradcast you could hear him say something (i was on my feet due to the fact that another dude looke to fall in the first round to carwin again) and i did not listen to it intently but it was something along the lines of im going to call it or move
Not really.
I’m watching it now and before that flurry, you couldn’t hear anything.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard it on the live telecast i watched because i said holy fuck hes going to stop it josh just said so
Please rewatch the fight (as I have numerous times)
and point out to me right when you heard something while you were on your feet excited.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
twas about 4 to 5 punches into the first flury,which is the only one in which i thought the fight could have been stopped.
Ok, I hear Josh saying "Fight back" at 3:36 left
but that is well before Carwin blows his wad. WELL before. I, and many others, are specifically talking about the part where Carwin is throwing a shitload of punches at Lesnar’s arms.
You’re talking about the wrong flurry.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah ok then.
I’ve seen the fight a ridiculous amount of times. One shouldn’t make arguments out of ignorance.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who questions my cardio should come and train with me.
No need. I already saw you tiring out and slowing down last Saturday night.
by Hardcase on Jul 8, 2010 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So when somebody tells you to read the book and not judge it by the cover, you say “no thanks, I already judged it by the cover”?
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Terrible analogy
More apt would be “Anyone who questions my book should come read the first drafts.” Yeah the stuff leading up the it might’ve been good, but the finished product shows otherwise.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You know
I was portraying Hardcase’s attitude towards Carwin’s comment. You take shots at Carwin because you don’t like him. You read too much into things, it not a war where you have to choose sides.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I know what you were portraying, I just pointed out that you used a bad analogy to do so. :)
Maybe something along the lines of “If you think I’m a bad actor because of this one movie, then why don’t you watch the rest of my films and see how good I am.”
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably wasn’t the best analogy out there but I guess it does it’s job. Someone tells you to do something because you might be wrong, and you refuse because you already know.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I accept the critique.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad you didn't put the blame on Hardcase
and tell me to read your previous analogies.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
...
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i love the ignorance in this comment
It’s so self-assured and confident.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
So, it's ignorant to judge Carwin's ability based on his own performance...
So what if he’s a cardio machine or whatever in the gym? Good gym workouts/sparring sessions don’t always translate to octagon performance. We’ve seen this time and time again. Jorge Gurgel has sick jitz…that he is unwilling or unable to pull off in the cage. Or look at Loiseau – by all accounts he’s fantastic in training…and he’s been terribly inconsistent in actual results since his losses and first departure from the UFC in 2006. It would be one thing if I criticized Carwin’s gas tank before the fight…but we’ve seen it tried, tested, and found wanting.
Jorge Gurgel has sick jitz…that he is unwilling or unable to pull off in the cage
But you wont say that Gurgel has no BJJ.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering Gurgel has 9 victories by submission in his career
that would be an asinine statement.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I wouldn't...
The fact would remain though that for whatever reasons, he’s failed to utilize that aspect of the game adequately in several of his MMA fights when he’s opted to stand and trade when he could have gone for the takedown and submission instead.
The one time we see Carwin pushed past his limits, he’s cramped, slowed down, breathing with his mouth open, and looking gassed. I really don’t need to go to his gym and watch him train or work out with him to make a judgment based on him based on perception. Instead, I’d rather see him just address that himself in his training, so that the next time I see him fight, I don’t have to think about his next opponent, ‘just survive the first round…’
Well, sounds like Shane needs to really learn to pace himself and not let his own desire to put someone away quick or the crowd or the refs adding to that desire. All fighters have to deal with these things, they are part of the game.
What Shane says makes sense, but it’s really just a common peace of the pie in a fight. At this point it probably comes off like he is coming up with excuses when he is probably just having conversation about what went wrong for him.
"Jeremy Shane.. Easily the best writer on BE with initials J.S.!" - mmarazorback
If anybody is to blame, it’s that Brock Lesnar guy. He’s the one that decided to end the fight we were watching.
Did you see the size of that chicken?
by Heenan on Jul 8, 2010 6:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The shane carwin hate here is ridiculous. The guy put on a great fight saturday, and now is being bashed for explaining what he thinks happened.
He has been nothing but respectful to brock and everyone involved, and he is not making excuses or blaming anyone he is simply stating what happened.
Give the guy a break
Id like to see Shane fight Rothwell. He’s durible enough… and I think the main theme of Rothwells game plan will be to last for more than 5 minutes.
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's not a bad idea.
I doubt Rothwell would win, but it would give Carwin some much needed ring time.
I honestly think it's funny how people here still don't read the articles they comment on.
“OMG!!! shanecarwin sez rosinthaul took a dump on his adrenalin!!!! Bargl Bargl Bargl!!!”
You know the best part of that fight was when Lesnar threw a low kick from his back… lol. Somebody needs to gif that.
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i believe that was his "aggressive guard"
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 8, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The most ridiculous part of "Quote of the Day"
Is that it never gives a quote in the title… should be called,
Subjective Paraphrase of the Day
Ridiculous headline
What is this, TMZ? Us Weekly? Have you no shame?
SHANE CARWIN IS GOING TO BEAT UP KID NATE VIA TWITTER!
I just thought I’d give article titling artistic license thing a try
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Furious Ex-Champ Lashes Out At MMA Journo
Shane Carwin’s downward spiral continues, accuses referee of sabotage
by smoogy2 on Jul 8, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Jesus H Christ Kid
Enough with the damn sensationalist headlines.
Shane Carwin deserves better than this. So does Zuffa, Strikeforce, and everyone else who has ever felt the backlash of one of your misleading articles titles.
by Steve4192 on Jul 8, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Steve4192 Annoits Kid Nate the messiah - says Strikeforce is equal to UFC
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
How is this not valid MMA news?
We are getting Shane Carwin’s opinion on the fight?
Kid Nate is posting his points so how is this article misleading?
If Shane is questioning the ref’s call, what’s wrong with the title of the article?
Shane Carwin did NOT ‘blame the referee’. No where in the original quote does he place blame on Rosenthal and now Shane has even clarified the matter via Twitter, yet the headline remains ‘Carwin blames ref’eree.
Directly? No. Indirectly? Yes
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Indirectly.... exactly...
It seems pretty obvious from Carwin’s comment. At least to me anyways….
Personally Nate I don’t think you should have changed the headline at all. But if it helps some of our fellow posters sleep better at night… damn….
by devious1 on Jul 8, 2010 8:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
People are being obtuse for the hell of it
Had it been any other fighter who won especially an internet favorite like Fedor and someone said this, they wouldn’t be vehemently defending his comments.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I've corrected the headline
Sorry for the delay, spent the last four hours with my kid. just put him to bed.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
My humble suggestion:
Quote of the Day: “I think the biggest factor of the adrenaline dump was hearing Rosenthal say, `Brock I am going to stop it,’ and then not stopping it.” -Shane Carwin
Long, but at least it actually has a quote.
but it’s only Dana who doesn’t treat fighters well and disrespects them for his own person gain…
by mmalogic on Jul 8, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nate’s not a journalist though; he’s a fan that writes on this site and likes MMA. Part of his charm is that he doesn’t have to be impartial like a journalist.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
and journalists
really aren’t able to be impartial. They need to disclose their biases and conflicts. The myth of “objective journalism” has had its day.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Uh
So i got a warning for harsh language when others in this thread are fighter bashing?
Could you point to said harsh language?
Sorry I don’t like this hit piece write up to grab views for the site, and you only seem to be favoring those that agree with you.
Stay Classy BE.
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you whine this much in real life? If so, damn dude.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
others in this thread got warnings too
and unlike you they actually contribute good content to the site.
good bye.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Did you just ban him? I might be close to dancing if so
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 9, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m thinking so. And good riddance if so. Fuckers need to learn to read, as everything he was complaining about had been addressed already.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 9, 2010 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree
about the myth of “objective journalism”. People have been putting their faith into that contrived myth for far too long. The, “lets give equal time to two random sides and call it objective” style really irks the hell out of me.
In true journalism, there is supposed to be an effort to ferret out the truth… that should immediately piss people off if you one is doing their job.
Thank you for that nugget.
I didn’t say objective, humans are not capable of being objective creatures, especially regarding a topic they are passionate about. I said the former headline was reactionary and sensational. Those are traits which I think are much more forgivable when attributed to a promoter, whose very job is to garner attention, than to a journalist.
Ok.
But nobody is going to take your Blog seriously if you keep writing TMZ style crap.
by SandstormRemix on Jul 8, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
He offered nothing original or "journalistic" but the title.
Everything else is quotes and attributions.
You can “blame” more than one entity for something. Carwin, in his choice of words, indirectly blames Rosenthal for saying (according to Carwin) “I’m gonna stop the fight”.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
you are one excellent shill! Zuffa is getting their money out of you!
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
I thought according to Dana, you guys were the shills. lol.
And that’s what I’m getting at. When Dana says something stupid, like claiming all MMA writers are paid by rankings sites, he deserves to be called out on it. Similarly, a headline like this was a bit liberal given the provided quotes, and I felt a little jab was called for. I see you changed the headline now, so I have to think that maybe you came around and saw it that way as well.
Props on handling it well Nate, everyone is going to piss and moan from here on out that you’re all about sensational headlines, on top of being anti-UFC, but you’re alright. It’s funny how a few words can alter everyones entire perception of what the story actually is, not just funny, but a real pain in the ass.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
what happens when i try to rush a post
before i go to pick up the kid.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
It happens. I’m waiting for people to show up and claim that’s BS, you just backed out because you got called on it, blah blah fucking blah. Just because it’s on the internet doesn’t mean it’s not part of the real world. You’ve got a life to tend to, just so happens this time, while you were tending to it, people caught something, took it negatively, then reacted as such.
It’s a shame that the whole topic was overshadowed, as it brings up an interesting point of discussion regarding referees and how they can alter the course of a fight with something as simple as a warning.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 8, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid Nate blames his own child for trolling on the internet
Doesnt sound that fair, does it?
by Ozone on Jul 8, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
No no, he was just so excited for being able to make this post
that he forgot to breathe and think before he posted it.
If you disagree with him, come to his house and watch him type articles.
Also, his doctor thinks he has carpal tunnel syndrome.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
People accusing MMA bloggers or even fans of being anti-ufc should slap themselves for being so openly ridiculous.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Hate it all they want, the UFC damn near equals the whole sport of MMA, and that makes hating the UFC nearly impossible. You can dislike the hardball tactics, complain about pay, go on for hours about how they didn’t sign Fedor before he lost…but you’ll not hear anyone complain about the matchmaking, or overall talent, or personalities in each division. Hate the UFC, no, no one who is a fan of MMA hates the UFC.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 8, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Update from Cawin
"If I had it to do all over again I would probably go for it again. If some of those hard blows landed he would have been knocked out. This was the biggest fight of my life and I swung for the fences and came up short. Next time, I won’t falter and I will have my hand raised."
-CP
He still would've gassed out and he would've lost again.
Since it wasn’t his “cardio” but lactic acedosis, how can you “train” for that?
From Carwin’s twitter:
"What happened to me July 3rd is called ‘Lactic Acidosis‘. It was brought on by a few things and mainly not breathing while exerting energy,"
He didn’t breath while punching. That’s his fault.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m by no means trying to be a dick in regards to Carwin, but isn’t that one of the most basic of the basics regarding punching? Breathing out when you punch, breathing in while you’re idle, or in between punches? When I first read that, I was shocked.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 8, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, basically what this says to me is that he got over-eager, and abandoned good form in his excitement to try to finish the fight and burned himself out.
For a good example of that happening with a slightly different end result, look at Lesnar-Mir 1. Note that in the next fight, Brock was not overly eager and ended up winning.
Seems like something that comes from experience, and while Brock had that experience in his 2nd fight, Carwin had it in this last fight.
You can't compare the two
because Lesnar didn’t gas nor was his losing tied into the fact that his gassed. Terrible correlation.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
explains alot.He was holding his breath while he was going for the finish. I see alot of it in the Kempo class when we get new students. Some of them start to feel light headed after throwing a bunch of combos.
No need to bring Rosenthal into it at all.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It was no need for the ref to say anything either but he did. Actually no ref needs to inform any fighter of how close they are to getting beaten. Many fighters turtle then explode or try to move when they hear the ref say something about ending the fight. Hendo as much as i love the guy could have very well had that fight against Shields stopped but kept bucking when ever the ref let him know he was getting his face beaten in too bad
Do you understand the role of a ref?
Backstage, he said to both men, they will get three warnings to move or show positional advancement. So how the fuck is he to ask them if he doesn’t say anything? That’s retarded.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions
adrenaline dump???
What the hell is an “adrenaline dump”??? I think Carwin needs to shut up and actually train for a 5 round fight instead of talking about it..either you’re ready to go 5 rounds or you’re not. I was reading about Marciano’s training and yes I agree UFC is more taxing because you’re using your whole body, but Rocky used to hit the heavy bag for 15 3min rounds for 180 – 200 punches per round! The punch he KO’d Jersey Joe came in the 13th round and came like a wrecking ball from outer space! Why? Because HE TRAINED TO GO 15 ROUNDS! Carwin punched himself out after 1 round and to say his whole body seized up is ludicrous! Next time train to go 5 rounds at full force and stop with this “adrenaline dump” BS!
Everybody should train to go for like 10 rounds. Then, when it’s round 5, you’re still fresh.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Back in the day, Roy Gracee and Ken Scamrock fought for 30 minutes straight
These new “athletes” ain’t got nothing.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you're not even trying anymore.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Shamrock fought Severn and Oleg for half-an-hour and looked worse than Carwin at the end of the fight's.
My avatar has Bas Rutten and Terry Funk in it...therefore it's the manliest avatar on SB Nation.
I was being...sarcastic.
Hence Roy Gracee and Ken Scamrock.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oleg always looked like shit.
Nobody ever got that much leway for punishment in a fight. Oleg just bled everywhere, Severn didn’t get tagged THAT much.
So you can post a pic of a little girl.
Gee, I guess you win the battle of wits. I have to ask you, how many other pics of this girl do you have? ; /
It's a palm...on a face....a facepalm if it were
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL okay okay
I can’t dislike you. Honestly, you have a good sense of humor and can articulate. Truce.
back in the day..
…and WAY back in the day what about Helio Gracie in a 3 hr fight with no break? Again boxing is not MMA but I’ll tell you what, you look at what the old time fighters did, go back to even Jack Dempsey, these guys fought in 100 degree heat for sometime HOURS! I’m not saying we should return to all that, but you want to punch hard? Forget the weights and hit the heavy bag over and over and OVER until your arms feel numb..that will build your punching efficiency AND your stamina in a way that transfers into a real fight. For MMA go 3 (or 5) 5 min rounds starting at 100 (or even 50) punches per round at about 80% power and build it up from there. There’s no need EVER to throw a punch like you’re trying to kick down a door; your whole body will tighten up and you actually lose power and waste energy. Go chop down some trees, not this crap in a gym! Train the muscles SPECIFICALLY the way you plan to use them. You can have great cardio to run 10 miles and still gas if you haven’t trained the specific muscles. Thats what the old time boxers did and thats why they could hit just as hard in the 15th round as the first!
I think his comments make complete sense.
a lot of people that watched that fight thought it could’ve been stopped. Most other fights that ended up with one guy eatin over a 100 punches ended. So the ref is watching and says he’s ending it. Dominant fighter thinks wtf I’ll pour it on. There it is. Simple. It was the heavy weight championship and he figures he’s going to end it…. Then it doesn’t end. Sucks.
Except he didn't eat 100 punches, he landed 52.
And some of those hit the forearms (a lot).
And those weren’t in a row.
Mir and Couture took more shots in a row than Lesnar did on Saturday.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 8, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Look what happened to Mir,lol.
You run a race and see the finish is like 40 ft away. You pour it on and gasp for air later and recover. Same thing. Ref says he’s going to stop it so you “sprint”. Then the finish line disappears again. The rematch should be huge.
Nah, a 100 m race is that, it's objective. A ref stoppage is subjective
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 9, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
My point is that the ref is giving him a finish line by saying to him,“I’m going to stop it.” Then that line keeps on being out of reach no matter the number of punches.
Again, I’ve watched over and over. Hats off to Lesnar, he DID weather it and get up.
the guy made a mistake, admitted up to it, now stop shitting all over him. its the same as ppl shitting on brock cause he was getting beat before he lost. both guys did incredible things at different points in the fight and both guys go away with some pretty clear stuff they need to work
this was the biggest fight of shane’s life and the moment got to him. he lacked that composure and clear thought when the opportunity presented itself. if carwin realised he couldnt get the finish and held something back, we could have had a repeat of round 1 in the second
you cant honestly say that a more calm/composed carwin, thats learns from this, isnt a scary prospect?
the rematch when/if comes is gonna be just as epic. you’ll have a smarter/better carwin vs. brock who would have had another fight or 2 to evolve
ppl are fooling themselves if they think in a rematch brock automatically wins because of the way this fight played out
or shitting on Kid Nate
because he twisted the language in the headline just a tad too much!
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
Kid Nate is just a Kid Nate Hater.
Cause he’s styling on him?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
So BE sucks at head line writing
So after a being here for a little bit I have learned that BE is a great site for mma talk and news. The site also has the worst headline writers in the world.
I dunno
“I don’t blame anyone Nate.”
If I were him I’d blame that BROCKLESNAR guy – did you see the way he was choking him? THAT’s who I’d blame for the loss.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
But he was talking about the adrenaline dump, no the loss.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 9, 2010 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
They're called jokes, son.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
I know,
my comment was also a joke (that’s why I didn’t include “t” in “not”).
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 9, 2010 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
:-P
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
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