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Yoshizo Machida Says Lyoto Machida Should Retire

"I already said that he better not fight anymore, but I didn’t say it to him. I have expressed this desire just to my wife and his brothers. He doesn’t want [to retire] and says he still has many challenges. According to him 35 is a good age to stop. I think that up to 35 is still possible but after that it starts getting tricky."
HT: sherdog.com

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The way Lyoto lost the battle was like a swordman getting his head cut off. Lyoto should retire for his own and (us). So we can see Anderson Silva reign supreme in 205 division. Lyoto wanting to challenge Lesnar a while back showed me that he was not mentally ready.

by SheepleBuster on Jul 7, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn’t that mean that every decisive loss should lead to the loser retiring?

You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.

by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jul 8, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Guess he’s going the Calzaghe route except for… you know… losing. And the cocaine use.

I throw raps that attack like the Japs on Pearl Harbor/MC's be out like bank robbers/Fleeing the scene, to be a sole survivor/DJ the getaway driver/Tried to dip but he dive, I socialize on vocal vibes/On tracks stabbed up with razor sharp knives

MMA For Real

by Anthony Pace on Jul 7, 2010 8:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe he knows something we don’t. /x files theme song

by DirtyML on Jul 7, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Jul 7, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, Yoshizo Machida is a troll.

When Lyoto was winning, he was the best fighter ever. One loss and he should retire.

Lame!

by MMABookworm on Jul 7, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Orcus whottafock where you been man?

Chris Leben is my hero
Sandstorm Remix bless your heart kid... Bless your heart

by II SMASH II on Jul 7, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

working like a crazy man

but I’m always around, I just don’t comment as much anymore :p

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 7, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering if Shogun became champ and you went off and died a happy man :D

Chris Leben is my hero
Sandstorm Remix bless your heart kid... Bless your heart

by II SMASH II on Jul 7, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO

I’d have, Shogun champ and having seen the end of Lost… and then Dunga had to fuck everything for us Brazilians, so if I die anytime soon I’ll die a pissed off man hehe

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 7, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont watch

whats a Dunga lol

Chris Leben is my hero
Sandstorm Remix bless your heart kid... Bless your heart

by II SMASH II on Jul 7, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

ha

my bad, he was the head coach for the national Brazilian soccer team. now we can only recover four years from now :’(

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 7, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got a reason to live bra lol

Chris Leben is my hero
Sandstorm Remix bless your heart kid... Bless your heart

by II SMASH II on Jul 7, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

funny way of looking at it, but it’s the truth!

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 7, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has there been any news about Shogun's knee?

Something in TATAME or other Brazilian based media that American MMA sites might have missed?

"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye

RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)

by Excelsior! on Jul 7, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

tell you the truth I only visit BE and Mania right now

US MMA sites usually get the news faster than Brazilian websites, Brazilian websites will have more interviews though.

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 7, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

que bom

orcus is back. hey orcus- sorry about brazil man, the girlfriend was crushed. also- as a fellow die-hard lost fan…

i’m sorry how it ended, and it only ends once (unfortunately).

by Body Triangle on Jul 7, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

I’m one of the few that actually enjoyed the end of Lost, I’m weird like that :p

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 8, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

His sponsor, Bad Boy, got some video.

Check it here:

http://www.badboy.com/New/#/news/shogun_reports_on_his_condition/

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by pdl on Jul 8, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the vid

it looks less serious than the previous knee injuries but you still gotta wonder… I just hope he can string together a couple of dominant wins and retire on top of P4P before he loses a leg

"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye

RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)

by Excelsior! on Jul 8, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

about to ask the same thing

Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down

by Austin Martin on Jul 7, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if he keeps fighting and gets one more loss, his ratio on wins to losses will go down tremendously. His mistiique is gone that’s for sure, but I think he will continue to do well. Who knows how he can come back after such a loss.

"90% of this sport is 50% mental" - Tim Sylvia

by Figs on Jul 7, 2010 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

bahahaaha soooo true, my pa is a douche!’

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Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jul 7, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Title seems a bit misleading

He doesn’t really say Lyoto should retire. On the contrary, he says the following:

“As a parent, I think he just realized his dream that was to be the world champion and it would be good for him to stop. On the other hand, after being defeated, it becomes more challenging and therefore he wants to prove even more.”

So it sounds more like an illustration of the dichotomy that exists in a parent/coach – as a parent, he doesn’t like to see his son Lyoto struggle and fail. On the other hand, in the spirit of competition, he’d like to see the fighter Lyoto overcome the challenges of losing to become a better fighter and person.

by Ogueira on Jul 7, 2010 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

He didn’t straight out say that Lyoto should definitely retire. He pretty much left it for his son to decide on his own.

by Gaossou on Jul 7, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Dad wants to see their son get KTFO

There aren’t many high profile MMA father/coaches, but Frank Mir’s dad looked distraught right before the stoppage vs. Lesnar. On the lead up to 116, they replayed the fight, and you can see him outside the cage looking for a towel to throw in.

by Snatchl on Jul 7, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny because right before Lesnar puts the beats on him

He said to Brock “You aint got nothing, you aint got nothing.”

Where did you see that footage? I’d love to see it and laugh. And you get a point taken away for throwing in the towel. This ain’t Japan.

Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump

by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 7, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well it was either retirement or seppuku

The former seems more logical at this stage of his career

by Holls Hoyce on Jul 7, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1, and rec'd for the seppuku reference...

Given that Lyoto is something of a blend of the old age and the new, his version might be to do it live…in the octagon…

by BigDNotDallas on Jul 8, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

Someone needs to link the you tube compilation of the Caruso one liners where he smokes the shades

When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton

by donkeypunch on Jul 7, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I watched the video...

and all I can say is worst article headline ever.
Kid Nate must be laughing.

Train UFC ftw.

by NinjaRehab on Jul 7, 2010 9:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d like to say that I’m a spiritual person and even at my faults I’ve had to release that negative energy that gets built up. I think he’s referring to the fact that this loss effected him so much and brought him down and that his energy may be low. Ultimately that effects the self.

In lay man’s terms, he thinks Lyoto is spiritually broken. I really think he can recover from that though and be humble.

by Krimson on Jul 7, 2010 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Urine potency must be diminishing. Oh so wise, Yoshizo.

Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."

by xFenixKnightx on Jul 7, 2010 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

The only way to increase urine potency is to drink 5 gallons of acai. DRINK IT NOW!!!

"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye

by mburtoni on Jul 7, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions  

he doesn't seem very clear in portuguese either :p

big accent, think of mr miagi, but the translations were ok I think

Felipe Melo não nasceu, ele foi expulso do útero

by Orcus on Jul 8, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

i am in no way, shape or form a machida fan

but saying that he should retire is kinda dumb.. i understand him wanting to protect his son but he could easily get the title back and wreck people.

by footxstomp on Jul 7, 2010 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch the entire video before you start calling comments dumb.

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VEe is ANIMated!

by VeeisAnimated on Jul 8, 2010 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like Daddy Machida is trying to add some mystique...

after his boy lost. I’m pretty sure after you’ve told the entire family those feelings about retirement and now the entire world, Lyoto has heard by now. Nice play, kinda.

When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton

by donkeypunch on Jul 7, 2010 11:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yoshizo Machida is like most masters in Martial Arts

They never have approved of MMA. Because they always value the discipline, spiritual and artistic aspect 1st, and the long held belief that Martial Art is intended for purely defensive physical use, and never to intentionally inflict pain or harm to an attacker. I think this comes through in this interview and he is treading lightly on the hard line traditionalist stance because Lyoto is involved in MMA.

by SimplePsych on Jul 8, 2010 12:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Yall missed the point

I don’t think he’s saying that Machida should really retire as much as he’s trying to say that his son should be happy with his accomplishments. No real father, especially the Elder Machida, would really admit that he gives up on his son or doesn’t believe in him. What he’s talking about is Lyoto’s struggle to deal with defeat. It’s something that every fighter must deal with, and, as a father, Yoshizo probably knows his son’s tendancies when dealing with his own failures. Defeat in the Japanese culture can be worse than death. That’s a tremendous amount of pressure. May be this is just an indication of Lyoto’s frame of mind when confronted with it. He may walk away. But who knows? Maybe this is just another instance where the old man is saying, “This is what I think, but prove me wrong.” Let’s hope it’s the latter.

by LegalizeNYMMANow on Jul 8, 2010 12:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree with his dad: it was the pressure that made him lose.

The pressure Shogun’s fist applied to his head.

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by jemaleddin on Jul 8, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Machida has a two-fold problem

Dealing with and getting past the loss for starters, but the simple fact that the vast majority of upper-tier LHWs are, I don’t want to say scared, but are unwilling to face him. Of course, it is with good reason.

Machida will have a difficult time overcoming Rua, but the rest of the top LHWs will continue to duck him.

Neither Rampage nor Rashad want him, the only ones I think who might be willing are the young, unbeaten up-and-comers like Jon Jones or Bader.

Personally, I would like to see Little Nog – Machida next…

by BigDNotDallas on Jul 8, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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