UFC on Versus: Jones vs. Matyushenko Fight Card
by Nick Thomas on Jul 5, 2010 5:13 PM EDT
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PrintMain bouts:
Jon Jones (10-1) -650 vs. Vladimir Matyushenko (24-4) +450
Yushin Okami (24-5) -215 vs. Mark Munoz (8-1) +175
Jake Ellenberger (22-5) -165 vs. John Howard (14-4) +140
Tyson Griffin (14-3) -300 vs. Takanori Gomi (31-6) +240
Preliminary bouts:
Jacob Volkmann (10-2) -120 vs. Paul Kelly (10-2) -110
DaMarques Johnson (11-7) vs. Matt Riddle (4-1)
James Irvin (14-6) vs. Igor Pokrajac (21-7)
Brian Stann (8-3) vs. Mike Massenzio (11-3)
Thiago Tavares (14-3-1) vs. Willamy Freire (17-2)
Darren Elkins (12-1) vs. Charles Oliveira (12-0)
Rob Kimmons (22-5) vs. Steve Steinbeiss (4-3)
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Still don't understand the reasoning behind giving Jones a fight with Matyushenko.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Bringing him along slowly.
Jones has the potential to be one of the UFC’s biggest stars, so they’re not rushing him into things that he might not be able to handle. Matyushenko is a serious test. Probably Jones’ toughest test to date because he’s ridiculously consistent. If he can take out the Janitor then we’ll see him take on some of the LHW divisions higher end talent.
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@deowade
This is the problem
Vladdy is tough but not known. So Jones will be at risk against someone that most people will consider a can, and Matyushenko can’t himself be built as the one to derail Bones’ hype train.
I would hope people wouldn’t just make a brash assumption like that based on not being familiar with who Matyushenko is. I don’t even know much about the guy but I know enough to realize this isn’t Jones getting the Overeem in Japan treatment.
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Nah
Greg Jackson is fully aware of who Vladdy is. I don’t think he’d let Jones forget just how dangerous his opponent is.
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I find your faith in Greg Jackson disturbing
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 5, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really faith
Jackson’s game-planning might not be on point all the time, but I don’t think he’s stupid.
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@deowade
Greg Jackson is good enough to basically give an already seemingly talented fighter a decent enough strategy to play to their strengths and keep them in control.
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Mat. is no can…..anyone who thinks he’s a can, is just ignorant.
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Are you being sarcastic?
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In case your (sham84) too lazy to look down...
Vlad beat -Tim Boetch
-Pedro Rizzo
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Big scalp)
-Vernon White(lost a rematch)
-Yuki Kondo
-Eliot Marshall
-Jason Lambert
He’s a tough dude.
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Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
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Just like the way Werdum was a can, right?
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by Ephemeral Artery on Jul 6, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate the idea of bringing him along slowly.
The guys is supposed to be the next big thing. Make him the next big thing. You can do that by giving him fights with Hamill and then a step up to Vera and then a step back to Matyushenko. That just makes no sense. They stand to lose an awful lot if he doesn’t win and they stand to gain very little if he does win. The first VS card was stacked and this one is not, at least in terms of casual fan appeal. Nobody will be watching this show.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Step back?
Maybe as far as rankings go. Vera is notoriously unstable as a fighter. Since you brought him up, let’s us Vera as an example of why bringing a fighter along too fast is a bad idea. He came into the UFC with a pretty impressive record. He strung together some impressive wins, with the most impressive against an out of shape Frank Mir. By now Vera’s ego WAS MASSIVE enough for him to stop taking training seriously. So what did the UFC do? They fed him to the wolves. He lost to Sylvia and that shit broke his spirit. Werdum was another massive blow to his ego. Ever since then, the only consistent part about him has been his inconsistency. Vera is the epitome of why prospects should be brought along slowly.
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by Damon O. on Jul 5, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vera blowing it means nothing.
Mir was a former champion. That was a huge win. It justified him getting a shot at Sylvia. After beating Vera it’s time to move up to a bigger fight. Matyushenko, even if he is better than Vera, is not a bigger fight. A win does nothing for him. A loss would be devastating. Bringing him along slowly like this is just dangerous. You risk killing off a big prospect without the payoff of the “building” that you’ve already been doing with him.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
All about big matches huh?
The Mir was still not fully back from the Motorcycle accident and was visibly in horrible shape. What happens when prospects lose big matches in the UFC? They lose confidence and get put on the prelims. Lack of confidence + a loss on the prelims = Walking Papers
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I mean, I understand why they are doing it and why people prefer it.
I get all the pros of it. I just don’t like it when someone goes backwards.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Not that I’m trying to dictate what you should and shouldn’t like, I just don’t really see the objection to this bout at this stage in Jones career.
Vladimir is a hell of a fighter, and I’m a little amused at all of the people that are giving him a 0% chance of winning.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 6, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's the problem.
He is a good fighter. Good enough to possibly beat Jones but he would be the worst guy to do it. Nobody knows who he is. Putting him in the main event on VS isn’t going to help that.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Also
He’s fight on Versus, which is broadcast to so many people, its a good place for Bone’s to shine.
I have trouble seeing Vladdy laying on Jones, which should be able to give Jones the opportunity to batter him on his feet.
Is Vladdy that much better of a wrestler then Vera or Jake O’Brien?
It's still a step backwards
Check the rankings of who Jones fought before this fight. Deserving it or not, Vera was ranked higher than The Janitor going into his fight with Jones. This isn’t even a lateral move for Jones, it’s a step back. Little to gain except a tad more exposure on Versus to those who may not know who he is, everything to lose. Except anyone who doesn’t know who Bones is probably isn’t tuning into a card he’s headlining. It’s almost six months of his career he’s never getting back devoted to a fight that has little positive to offer him.
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by duck on Jul 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well you know what
maybe if Thiago Silva hadn’t seemingly ducked him we could see a fight that had a lot more to offer momentum wise for his career.
"Why don’t you stick to talking about the topic instead of stripping Sonnen lines in an attempt to fish for rec’s? I don’t really care who you pick, but I’ll argue your reasoning until my monitor burns out." -Blackout612 to Fake Emcee
That's true, too
My beef isn’t with Jones. He can only fight whom the UFC offer, and will actually sign a contract to do so.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Silva was qouted as saying something along the lines of “he isn’t developed enough” seemingly making it sound like he’s saving Jones from an ass whoopin if he had to fight him.
"Why don’t you stick to talking about the topic instead of stripping Sonnen lines in an attempt to fish for rec’s? I don’t really care who you pick, but I’ll argue your reasoning until my monitor burns out." -Blackout612 to Fake Emcee
The UFC actually does this all the time. All of Junior Dos Santos’s UFC opponents after Fabricio Werdum have been steps back, ranking-wise. But booking those fights worked: beating up lesser competition has increased the buzz around JDS exponentially. (Few were talking about him as a title contender until he beat an aging, faltering Cro Cop. MMA fans are weird like that.)
The analogy isn’t perfect here since I don’t consider Matyushenko lesser competition as compared to Vera, but the point is that this is a showcase fight for Jones, and one just tough enough to keep the up-and-comer on his toes.
by JRN on Jul 5, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I do agree, and think it’s a good point, but HW is so thin, who else were they going to give JDS that was higher ranked?
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by Ephemeral Artery on Jul 6, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock Lesnar or Frank Mir. But obviously those two were on a collision course and the UFC wasn’t going to muck it up with some unknown Brazilian.
I remember at the time, though, that everyone was talking about Shane Carwin and Cain Velasquez as the big prospects, and JDS could hardly get a hearing. Then as now, I would have liked to have seen him fight one of them. Then he would have gotten an opponent that was, if not higher ranked, then higher-profile and on the upswing in their career, unlike Struve, Gonzaga, and Cro Cop.
by JRN on Jul 7, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand it, but I still hate it.
There just weren’t a lot of options at LHW who weren’t already spoken for when the fight was booked. But Vladdy is a step down from the last guy that Jones demolished. And he has a unique capacity to make fights boring and ugly. Awful.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jul 5, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Weo, but I got Okami on this. His new found jab is to much fun.
Kimbo wants to take your caterpiller and do bad things to it.
I won't disagree..
tough tough fight for Munoz, but I still have a flag bet with Uber over it.
by Anton Tabuena on Jul 6, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Doomsday the underdog?
Is Vegas crazy?
Calling my girl in Vegas right now.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
I wouldn't touch that one.
Doomsday has not been exceptionally impressive since coming into the UFC. Sure his KO of that last guy was cool, but who has he REALLY beaten? Ellenberger has Concussion Grenades for hands. I’d stay away from that one like certain areas of town when it’s Quota time for the the 5-0.
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@deowade
Ellenburger is rightfully the favorite. Remember against Denis Hallmen he was basically getting dominated the entire fight until a miracle last minute KO. Ellenburger is a powerful wrestler with a huge right hand.
I think Jones-Matyushenko line is sort of off, though. Betting on Jones at -650 seems absurd to me….I mean he’s been impressive but he hasn’t beaten very many good people. Matyushenko is pretty decent standing and has solid wrestling, and Jones is relatively untested in the standup so if Maty can avoid the takedown it’s possible he could outwork Jones on the feet. It’s a big if, though.
I do not look forward to betting on this card.
the only upset I’m eyeballing is Gomi but I wonder if he’s got the motivation left in the tank.
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
Is Irvin’s fight at 185?
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by ANance on Jul 5, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nope.back to LHW
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 5, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i think Kysztof would look the same if he tried cutting to 185 too!
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
remember Josh Haines?
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
Josh Haynes?
Yes, but he has no place in what were talking about. Yes he cut from HW, but Irvin and Krysztof (former 300lb body builder) are SHREDDED at 235, huge LHW’s, and have no place at MW (as sandman showed).
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Could not remember how to spell his last name, and I was talking more about his last attempt at cutting weight. Possibly the worst cut I have seen. By the way you kind of come off like a dick. Dick.
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tissue?
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't stun me bro
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i wont, but if i do ill be sure to call for help
BTW i really wasnt trying to be a dick at all, think you took it wrong…..at first course.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Any tissues on the wambulance?
You kill it StunNa with all that freshness and originality. Go ahead recycle and post a Deo u mad pic.
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socal is a good dude I don’t think he came across as a dick at all…calling some1 a dick is far more of a dick move…
thank you sir, i wasnt at all trying to be dickish, just talkin some MMA
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Gomi beats Tyson.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
no way their feeding Gomi to the wolves killing him off
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
Gomi is the ‘redemption’ fight so they can keep Tyson Griffin in the title picture, he’s a pretty marketable guy.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Call me crazy but I have a feeling some people are sleeping on Vladi.
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let me guess you read palms too huh
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Mrs. Cleo ain’t got shit on me!
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lol
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
not crazy at all especially at those odds.
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by ekc on Jul 5, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As a noob to the Janitor's career
What’s his path to victory? Jones has got adequate standup, exceptional throws from the clinch, and good, not great, GnP. His freestyle/greco wrestling background is different than the collegiate/folkstyle wrestling we’re used to seeing, and he uses it to throw, not just win positional battles in clinches.
So, just so I won’t be too surprised if it happens, what does the Janitor do to take this fight?
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
Vlad is a grinder
He doesn’t win pretty but just grinds the hell outta you. The gut feeling is because he is a “step back” from Vera but has a style to make Jones look really bad.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 5, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Vladdy probably has superior cardio to Jones, so he could cause some problems later in the fight. Given that this is only three rounds, the risk is somewhat mitigated, but if Jones is as tired as he was at 94 against Bonnar, he’ll lose.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 5, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlady's path is the long way
A grinding decision. The dude is dynamic at preventing any dynamism from occurring in his vicinity. I think Jones should win, but even at that I foresee him winning a decision.
The dude is dynamic at preventing any dynamism from occurring in his vicinity.
Couldn’t have summed it up better myself. He’s got an almost preternatural ability to take the fun out of the fight. He’s the UFC’s version of Buzz Killington.
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by Damon O. on Jul 5, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would like to note that I hold nothing against Vlady for his tedious winning ways—but it is what it is and it will do him no favors when he loses again. As long as he is winning though—and I call this my “McKee Principle”—he has earned the opportunity to take on relevant competition.
Won't you hate it if he is the guy to kill off the looming legend of Jon Jones?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Vladimir Matyushenko is not about to kill anybody’s looming legend. Jones is young in the sport, and will have future successes and future setbacks regardless of the outcome of this bout.
Think of it this way, the UFC has hired the Janitor to clean up some prospect’s acts, and maybe along the way he’ll make another 15 minute friend.
by capital L on Jul 5, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
To be fair, neither did Nate Marquardt; Sonnen has the unique ability to shut people’s game down. You should probably watch Okami vs Linhares before betting on Munoz though. His striking game looks about 100x better and Munoz has some serious holes in his defense.
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Munoz has an edge training camp wise but I don’t know think it will be enough, Kendall Grove gave him trouble and I thought that was going to be a showcase fight for him. Yes he won but I thought it would be easier for him.
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Kendall Grove
gives everybody trouble with his freakishly long limbs.
He looked rejuvenated against Linhares.
Get that free 3 month subscription to the UFC vault and watch that fight, it was a prelim on the last Versus card.
Munoz has proven to be hittable, and if Okami is flashing jabs like he did against Linhares, it could be a long night and a broken nose for Munoz.
I'm interested in Howard
i want to see how far he’s progressed.
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Maybe I'm a TUF mark...
but I’m more interested in seeing him than about 1/3 of the guys on the main card.
"Overdrive the sound and make it sound pretty rude." - Jimmy Page
me too
but more so for Damarques than some of the others….guys got serious game and has an extremely big upside. looking forward to watching him against Riddle
should be noted
of Vlads four losses, only two were finishes (Arlovski and Nog) while he went to decisions with Tito Ortiz and Vernon Tiger White (the latter was a split decision, I’ve never seen the fight)
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impressive losses actually, has he beat any notables?
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
well
He also owns wins over White and Noguiera, so I guess those are washes. He beat Pedro Rizzo back in the day, and has a win over Jason Lambert long after that meant anything. I guess his most relevant fight is a win over Tim Boetsch a couple years back.
It’s just Vladdy spent a long time outside the major orgs fighting big names.
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He beat -Tim Boetch
-Pedro Rizzo
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira (Big scalp)
-Vernon White(lost a rematch)
-Yuki Kondo
-Eliot Marshall
-Jason Lambert
He’s a tough dude.
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cool, didnt know that, thanx!
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Jul 5, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m actually leaning towards picking Vlad in this fight, the guy just has a style that gives people real trouble which Jones hasn’t been in his UFC career.
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