UFC 116 Post Fight Recap and Analysis - Brock Lesnar Submits Shane Carwin
by Mike Fagan on Jul 4, 2010 10:46 AM EDT
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-I don't know how you can walk away from this unimpressed by Brock Lesnar. Everyone said, including those picking Lesnar, that Shane Carwin's power could be the difference maker. Shane Carwin, according to some, possesses the heaviest hands in MMA. Shane Carwin landed clean on Brock Lesnar. Shane Carwin had Lesnar in a world of trouble.
Somehow, Lesnar survives the Carwin onslaught and some people have the audacity to question his chin or his ability to take a punch? He just took a bevy of heavy shots from one of the biggest power punchers in the sport and survived. I think he takes a punch just fine.
-Fabricio Werdum's brief flirtation as the #1 heavyweight in the world just vanished.
-As for Carwin, I think he's going to be unfairly criticized for his gas tank. There's a lot to factor in here: the adrenaline dump of the biggest fight of your life, the nearly unbroken chain of punches in attempt to finish, the letdown of not finishing a guy you had in a real bad spot. Stacked up next to Cain Velasquez or Fedor Emelianenko or any of the smaller elite heavyweights, he's going to look bad in the cardio department. That's what you sacrifice when you carry that size, though. Still, I am cautious to give him the "bad gas" label.
-I was very impressed by Lesnar's work on the floor leading up to the finish. Carwin looked pretty spent at that point, but it was very encouraging to see Lesnar not only work to pass guard, but confidently seek the submission in lieu of ground and pound. That's not mentioning the speed at which he worked either.
-"I stand before you a humble champion, but I'm still the toughest S.O.B. around." Brilliant.
-I don't think Lesnar is a lock against Cain Velasquez. There might be good money to make on the challenger, to be honest. As for Shane's next fight, I think the best option is to give him the winner of Junior dos Santos and Roy Nelson. If the UFC's serious about holding the winner to challenge the winner of Lesnar/Velasquez, I guess you can give Shane someone like Ben Rothwell? Kind of a tough scenario.
Undercard love after the jump.
-Something is wrong with Chris Leben. I hope science one day figures out what gives him such a monster chin because Yoshihiro Akiyama landed some serious shots on him.
-I hope this is a wakeup call for Akiyama to cut down to 170. He might have to shed some muscle to get down, but he looked smaller than Leben in the cage. (I thought he looked much smaller against Belcher last year as well.) I have a hard time seeing him succeed at middleweight in the United States with his frame.
-I don't have much to say about the Stephan Bonnar/Krzysztof Soszynski and Chris Lytle/Matt Brown fights outside of they were what we thought they were. Fun, meaningless scraps. Big props to Bonnar, though, as I had written him off as a certain UFC castoff after this event.
-Speaking of which, did anyone else catch Joe Rogan's brutal backhanded insult during Bonnar's walk-in? Joe and Mike Goldberg were talking about Bonnar's love of brawling and Rogan blurted out (paraphrased), "Yeah, I mean why else is he in the UFC?" That's cold, Joe.
-Kurt Pellegrino looked awful tonight. I think a left hook from George Sotiropoulos hurt Pellegrino early, and "Batman" never really recovered from there. Pellegrino just looked off after that, lacking a crispness he's shown in his last few fights.
-That's not to take away from Sotiropoulos's performance. This was a very good continuation on his win over Joe Stevenson at UFC 110. This should put the Aussie within knocking distance of a title fight. I think he's gonna get Evan Dunham or the winner of Tyson Griffin/Takanori Gomi.
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"I don't know how you can walk away from this unimpressed by Brock Lesnar."
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 4, 2010 2:39 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
I really don't like the js's post....so snobby
almost no celebration of the heart and determination we saw during the fight today.
And plenty of Yellow Cards for those that disagree...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Snowden enjoys not enjoying things
Or, to quote my #1 Crush of the 90’s, (he’s) only happy when it rains
by argyle on Jul 4, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. I dont know why Jonathan Snowden is allowed to write articles on this website in the first place. Might as well ask Dana White to write articles about Fedor Emelianenko and Loretta Hunt.
by JayW on Jul 4, 2010 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Are you going to delete my post again Snowden?
by JayW on Jul 4, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
he keeps deleting mine. people with strong opinions that are almost always wrong have thin skin i guess.
by mmatokyo on Jul 4, 2010 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
He writes good articles. Just because you don’t agree with one, it doesn;t make the rest irrelenavt. I’m writing this drumnk. Appreciare the efforts please.
Good is relative. It’s like saying George W. Bush was a good president. Just because one person says so doesnt mean he is. And I read his some of his other articles, look at the Werdum one he wrote and just find my comments on that.
I don't think I'm the only one though
It was only a little while ago when BE guys were urging the Kenflos of this site to promote Snowden’s shit on the the main page.
I've tried to defend Snowden
because usually I like his shit. But after tonight, there will be no defending him. Just impossible now.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 4, 2010 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can understand where's he coming from
This fight was to determine the best HW in the world and it left me a little empty. This was the Uruguay v Ghana of MMA. Impressed but left me wanting a little more to warrant such a high accolade.
Uruguay being (unofficially) one of the top 4 teams in the world.
If you felt "a little empty"
You’re not an MMA fan.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Empty from the performance of determining the best HW fighter in the world. Not the match itself. I thought the event was excellent, from top to bottom. I’m just saying I can understand Snowden’s disappointment while not wholly agreeing with it.
What do you mean empty from determing the best HW fighter in the world?
Did you want a dominating performance from one of them?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Yes
I know it’s asking a little too much but I didn’t think it would be close. I thought one of these guys would take the other one out in decisive fashion and it was close to being so. The HW division has been crazy as of late and I thought this would continue the trend.
Don’t get me wrong, I loved the event but I can understand Snowden’s point while not agreeing with it.
Snowden asks questions about what kind of fighter Lesnar will become. There were glaring weaknesses that were overshadowed by astonishing bouncebackability. Sure, it might be too soon to address, but I can understand why he chose to do so.
Overshadowed? How about overcame?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Seems kind of silly.
Since you expected one of them to obliterate the other in order to truly establish the number 1 guy after Fedor losing to Werdum, the fact that it was a huge comeback win probably would twist your nips.
You must have called Matt Hughes a fluke champion when Frank Trigg had him on queer street with a few solid punches that had him rocked. When he came back and won with a big slam and submission you must of thought, wow…Hughes is exposed and I’m not at all impressed with him.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
No way did I think that. I’m saying that I can understand what Snowden was saying because while Lesnar won in impressive fashion, we’re left with questions that I didn’t expect we were going to be asked. I anticipated a crazy few months of MMA. Resembling those of early 07. I thought that this match was so close to call, that one of them would suprise me. The fact that they didn’t, while Carwin almost did, did not take away anything from the fight. It was exilarating in every sense of the word.
Where's the logic?
If two men are fighting for the title of number 1, wouldn’t it reason that BOTH men are fucking good? Should the Lakers have swept the Celtics?
When two GREAT fighters meet, there’s gonna be close fights.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 7:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I said before, that I had such trouble picking a winner before the fight, because they’re both just that good. I also commented on how I thought the HW division was taking the shape of early 07 where the unexpected happened and ‘fighter A’ would blow out ‘fighter B’. I ultimately picked Lesnar because of his training but halfway through the 1st round, my jaw was left open at what was happening.
While it’s not unusual to think this would be a close fight, it’s also not unusual to think it would be a total blowout to continue the current trend in HW fights. Seriously, that division went wacky for a while.
No offense
but telling someone on an MMA website that they aren’t an MMA fan is some pretentious, snobby bullshit.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jul 4, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I suspect you replied to the wrong comment.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
I've liked Snowden...up until this week
Maybe he’s having a bad spell, but he seems terribly defensive and takes extreme stands when they’re uncalled for.
by Django Z on Jul 4, 2010 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He stated that every single fighter in the WEC sucked ages ago...
I see a mixture of very solid articles and completely extreme outrageous shock pieces.
I don’t understand it, sometimes I wonder if someone is hijacking his account. I don’t know which one is real. Snowden… Sometimes I really like you… and sometimes….
*if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all…
That's such a misrepresentation
that I can’t believe you said it.
He said that the LW division is essentially a mirage… which it is. Each fighter in that division is deeply flawed in a way that a real top 10 fighter would make them pay for. Even Clay Guida could beat every LW in the WEC.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 4, 2010 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions
If he wanted to talk about real mirages he should have talked about how all other LW’s division’s not just the WEC. He tried to disparage alot of damn good fighters and Henderson who I believe would have alot of success in the UFC LW division he was wrong for that as he’s been about most things.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Jul 4, 2010 5:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Henderson would get beaten 9/10 times by
Franky, BJ, Kenny, Alvarez, Maynard, Jim Miller, Melendez, Tyson Griffin, Clay Guida, Diego Sanchez, Nate Diaz, Kawajiri, G-Sot, Guillard, and Evan Dunham, with a chance against Stevenson.
And the rest of those guys… Cerrone will lose to any wrestler with submission defense, and has poor ring IQ. Njokuani will lose to any wrestler or determined BJJ player. Shalarous is a [much] worse version of Sherk. Varner doesn’t have great BJJ and has zero mental game, which will always keep him floundering. Shane Roller is worse than one dimensional and would get handled by good wrestlers with mediocre boxing.
Who’s left? Ed Ratcliffe? Wowzers.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 4, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions
you’re clearly out of your mind Henderson would murder many of the guys you brought up not to mention the way you disrespected guys like Varner shows just how little you know about mma.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Jul 4, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome points.
As a general rule, people who say “you just don’t understand MMA!” in their argument deserve to have their ear flicked. It’s worse than the phrase ‘butt-hurt’ for combining a lack of anything relevant AND pretentious elitism!
Henderson has a weak shot and survives and scrambles for takedowns and setting up submissions. His striking is non-existent, makes amateur moves, cuts too much weight and his cardio isn’t there for a five rounder at the pace he keeps. He’s the ultimate big fish small pond. You’re so enticed by that shiny thing that holds his pants up that you aren’t even looking at his skills. Hell, Mark Bocek is a bad fight for Ben Henderson.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 4, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
why would i be impressed! LMFAO
Lesnar kept his belt…BUT los the fight LOL….WOW he got his ass BEAT!
i cant wait to see the rematch…in the next fight when Carwin tags him again he should just let Brock get back up until he actually Knocks him out completely.
That way he doesnt waste all his gas….Just think what the outcome would be if carwin had atleast half of the energy in the 2nd round that he did in the 1st ……CARWIN HW CHAMP!
BTW did Brock even hit Carwin ONCE????
by KO INTERNET THUGS on Jul 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar kept his belt…BUT los the fight LOL
This is just painfully stupid.
Carwin was about to go to sleep. Rendering your opponent unconscious (or forcing him to tap in order to avoid going out) is generally seen as winning the fight. It is certainly more decisive than punching a guy in the forearms and hoping for a ref to intervene.
BTW did Brock even hit Carwin ONCE????
Seriously, why did Carwin tap out? Brock didn’t even hit him. Get out of here with that shit.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don’t know how you can walk away from this unimpressed by Brock Lesnar.
Pretty easily, if your name is Jonathan Snowden
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
by Excelsior! on Jul 4, 2010 2:39 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I love it, BE = Anti-Zuffa
I’m just counting the days until this mob starts throwing flaming bags of dog shit at their own MMA rankings like they were WAMMA . . . a full circle indeed.
Their own MMA rankings?
BE has rankings?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Brent has rankings that he keeps for his own entertainment. Maybe he means those.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
Many people walked away unimpressed
Including me
Does anyone think Carwin will get another title shot?
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
First Cain, then winner of Dos Santos and Roy Nelson. Then maybe Carwin rematch if he wins two in a row, I figure.
Looking at the heavyweight rankings, you’ve got a Mir rematch (meh), Kongo (meh), Rothwell (meh), Nogueira (please god no).
That’s about it. Cro Cop’s available, but he won’t want the fight. Struve is uninspired. A Gonzaga rematch is stupid. A Mir rematch is stupid too. I really think that leaves Kongo and Rothwell, with Rothwell looking like the better option.
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BTW, i’m not saying there’s not depth, I was just really impressed with Carwin power and trying to find him good match ups. And yea, Rothwell and Kongo are the only ones i could muster up.
I don’t think there’s a ton of depth at heavyweight to be honest. At least as relevant title challengers.
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I think they need to split the weight class
Brock and Carwin are on top of the weight class mostly because they can overpower and maul everyone else quickly. It’s fair to say both are close to unfinished products inside the cage but hasn’t been a issue with their size advantage. I’d like to see a weight class split, 50lbs is too much of a difference.
You’d basically be left with Brock, Shane, and Roy Nelson in the division.
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I know, but it’s 10-1 odds for anyone else versus Brock/Carwin. For me it’s sorta like watching Thiago Alves getting to fight in the Lightweight division. It’s become a bunch of smaller guys plainly getting mauled.
I think Velasquez is a significant favorite over Carwin.
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Agreed. I think Cain would tool Carwin.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
I’ve been howling that point on BE since a fight between the two was first rumored…last year.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
No worries. Let’s just sit together and bask in the warm glow of the epicness of that card. :-)
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I say give Carwin the loser of Roy/JDS
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Cain takes either guy. He wont get tired, like Carwin did, and his boxing is good enough to take advantage of Brocks aversion to getting hit. Brocks got a god chin but a bad habit of over reacting when he gets hit standing.
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Oh please, can we stop with the "split the weight classes"
Lets be fair, weenie, sissy discussions?. This isn’t junior high school wrestling.
its ok to citicize carwin for his gas tank…he beat the shit out of brock in the first round and had nothing to offer in the 2nd…does a more experienced fighter/s (from another organization) allow brock out of the 1st round…no
Brock won't respect Fedor's TDD and would take him down easy
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, and
Barring an amateur-hour mistake, Fedor (or any other smaller, weak submission expert) would have zero chance of submitting, sweeping or otherwise reversing Lesnar from the bottom, even while dry.
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 4, 2010 10:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and has 40+ lbs on him
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Sort of puts the idea that the UFC has the deepest HW division into perspective
I’d love to see him fight Antonio Silva, Fabricio Werdum, Fedor, Arlovski, or even Brett Rogers next. In the UFC, he’ll get stuck fighting Rothwell.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Obviously the UFC employees are out celebrating tonight
Otherwise they’d be posting here on their BE accounts attacking you for such a statement.
I AM A ZUFFA PLANT...
so watch your ass boy!
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
LOL, but I am being serious
I have at least seven particular posters circled as hired hands and none are around tonight . . . they are here all the time.
sup bignerd.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
besides logic I can't think of anyone specifically
…want to compare notes?
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
If Zuffa wants to pay me...
I’ll be a shill… same deal for Strikeforce, Bellator, Dream, etc…doesn’t have to be a mutually exclusive situation either.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
Easy enough
Just take cues on UFC talking points and always get the conversation caught up in harder to discern tangible qualities when discussing non-UFC issues. Of course that won’t get you paid, start your own guerrilla marketing firm and advertise your services expeditiously, there will be buyers out their for the service.
Actually I’m not so sure about logic. I find him very “poser-ish” and the stories about himself don’t add up. I have a couple theories on logic but he’s not the person he claims to be. At best he works at Zuffa but in a lower level position than he claims in either IT or Marketing.
I said it recently elsewhere.
It’s likely two or three people who handle a few marketing duties for the UFC. One is most likely a programmer/graphic designer, another has a degree in marketing and business, and the third is some dude who claims to be a viral marketing specialist. The credentials he gives are an amalgamation of all three, plus their supervisor. Most of the stories, such as the travel and major meetings, are second hand retellings of reports from their supervisor… but only what he wants them to put into the open.
That’s my theory at least. Still enjoy shooting the shit with [him].
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 4, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was verified by someone that the dude has money?
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
Go back and see some of the shit he says to Kid Nate or Snowden. he either knows what he is talking about or knows where bodies are buried.
Guillotine.
Or is really good at making vague, leading statements that suggest insider status without ever delivering the goods.
The guy knows his shit:
- Fedor is going to the UFC in 2009
- 99% certain that Affliction won’t hold another show after the Sylvia-Fedor card
- UFC wants more weight classes to schedule superfights
- WEC is folding into the UFC by the end of 2009
- The UFC lightweights are going to be folded into the WEC back in 2008
- the UFC is going to run a live counter program to the Strikeforce CBS cards (both of them)
- Fedor is leaving Strikeforce earlier this year
Has he ever steered us wrong? That being said, at least one of the logics makes some astute observations. But every observation also has to come with the understanding that the objective is to make Zuffa look good and/or make their competition look bad. Unfortunately without a label warning them some members don’t seem to catch this.
by John Nash on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They can give him
the loser of JDS/Nelson. If he wins that one, then he can face the loser between Lesnar/Velazquez to earn his next title shot.
Carwin is no spring chicken...
that’s like already a year+ you’re talking about.
Train hard, fight smarter.
Sure he can.
the HW division is very top-heavy and 2 wins would put him right back into the drivers seat.
Yo, I'm smokin herbals till it hurts you
I keep your daughter way out past her curfew
Of course
We’ll see Lesnar fight Carwin 3 or 4 times in their career I bet. I said that before the fight and I think it’s even more likely now.
They’re heavyweights 1 and 1a and we need to see them duke it out a bunch more times before we know who is truly the best. Gonna be fun as hell for us as fans.
Not until he earns one.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
Brock isn't going to win any boxing titles any time soon
but if you weren’t impressed by Brock’s heart and ability to find a way to win despite getting destroyed in the first round, then you’re bat shit crazy.
Card of the year so far.
Non-stop action. Back and forth brawls. Epic comebacks. This card had it all.
Yo, I'm smokin herbals till it hurts you
I keep your daughter way out past her curfew
Very good night of fights
Probably my favorite card this year
Chris Leben is my hero
by II SMASH II on Jul 4, 2010 2:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Give Carwin the loser of JDS/Nelson. Winner of that one does get a title shot, Dana already said it himself even if it hasn’t been officially announced. Meanwhile start building some other dudes up from the middle-tier of the division.
by Chromium on Jul 4, 2010 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
man, that silly Russow
delaying TODDDUFFE’s arrival on the scene.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Well, aren’t I late.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree, Fagan
if you weren’t impressed by Lesnar (and to a lesser extent Carwin) then your head isn’t screwed on tight, and you likely have no business writing for an MMA website.
visit my website: http://bobthewriter.com
I have a funny feeling in my stomach
Oh wait, that’s Chris Leben turning up in my top 10 185ers.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:51 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Wand has a message for Leben.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be hesitant to deliver it in person...
even if I was Wandy.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I’mma put it to you like this, if Akiyama can rock Leben, Wand can KTFO Leben.
But let’s not discuss Wand’s chin. lol
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Wand couldn’t KO Bisping…..Wand isn’t the same fighter he used to be y’all…..BTW I love Wand.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Did you watch the end of the 3rd round?
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Yes….and the fight went to decision.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
He dropped Bisping with like 5 seconds left in the fight, he’s still got power.
And seriously, is Bisping supposed to be easy to KO now? Because Hendo hit him with one of the cleanest, hardest punches in MMA?
Did Leben KO Bisping when they fought?
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
All I’m saying is, Wand of 2010 is not the Wand of 2004.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
And I agree with that, but he looks a hell of a lot better than he did in 2009.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say that after 1 fight, but you might be right.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
True, but Bisping was a serious test, especially for someone as weathered as Wandy. We’ll see. I don’t like the Leben match up from a “I don’t want my hero to lose” stand point, but I’ve wanted this fight ever since the move to 185 was announced.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh Bisping has no true KO’s and I’m not overly impressed by his resume, Leben might be his top scalp. Kang has dropped off the planet, the Rashad fight might be his best performance ever…..and he lost.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Well I’m talking about fighter’s in general in regards to Bisping. His biggest flaw is he doesn’t do any certain thing great, but does everything good. Thus is why I thought he was a good test, especially when people were claiming he was as far gone as Chuck.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
What my boy Rudinho said…he had the fight finished two times over, both times saved by the bell.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Only one man has managed to KO Leben...
and as sacrilegious has it is to say, Wandy today is no Anderson Silva.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Exactly…..Leben has a supernatural chin. A.S. is the only man with the magic to KO him.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
And Anderson...
hit him with several KO blows in succession.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
with laser pinpoint accuracy
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
And the most important piece of the puzzle: He landed those shots early enough in the fight so that he was still striking with full power. When Akiyama leveled Leben he didn’t have enough behind his follow-up strikes to deliver with the force needed to completely shut his lights off.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
If Akiyama can come so close to doing it, I think Wand will bring the fury…so long as he doesn’t get his skull cracked before that.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Between Leben and Wand who has the most KO losses? Exactly.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
And Leben’s fought…who? Guys with KO power like Crocop, Hendo, and Rampage? I’d hate to see Leben run the same gauntlet.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Give him a chance, he clearly wants to fight anyone anytime, hell he’s prolly asking Joe Silva to fight at 117
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
With the money he’s made over the past two weeks, no doubt. Crazy performance tonight.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC company men...
Chris Leben and Rich Franklin
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
yes... no need to piss off mr. wandi
but leben is setting himself up wih another payday ( a painful fo sho)
My thoughts:
*Sotiropolous didn’t even need his GeorgePants tonight. His stand-up is definitely improving.
*Romero showed a lot of heart too, winning after the SIlverback broke his jaw.
*I will say that after the loss, I have found much respect for Shane Carwin, he was much more charasmatic after being nearly choked out. I think he got a fan in me after tonight.
*It was very cool to see Brock and Shane high-fiving @ the start of round 2 as well as raising each others hands after the fight. Safe to say they both gained a whole lot of respect from each other.
*BROCKLESNAR!!!!!!!!!!
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 2:53 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
"*Romero showed a lot of heart too, winning after the SIlverback broke his jaw."
I was impressed with Petruzelli as well. I hope he gets another fight or two in the Octagon before they consider cutting him loose.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
You know it seemed like they were respecting eachother before the fight too. Both agreed Brock had the real belt. Both knocked fists after Carwin’s destruction of Mir, and Brock was a lot less testy about Carwin then any of his other fights. I enjoyed the wink and smile as well. It was entirely enjoyable to watch them both.
Impressed with Lesnar to be sure.
But he confirmed my suspicions that his standup is hilariously bad. Great win though.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Hilariously bad? I think we’d have to see him against someone he would actually WANT to stand with to see how it really looks. Looked decent against Randy, IMO.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Randy isn’t an above average stand up fighter. He’ll clinch a fighter against the cage and pick spots to dirty box but isn’t what I deem a striker.
That’s exactly what I’m saying, Lesnar wasn’t afraid to stand up with him, and he didn’t look terrible. Don’t know where you came up with me saying Randy was a striker. lol
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Tell that to Gonzaga and Timmeh...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
He beat up Gonzaga with dirty boxing which I mentioned. He beat Timmeh with the same overhand right Arlovski consistently landed and even Fedor used against the big red neck. Lesnar striking is decent, I think he panicked too much after that shot from Carwin. Obviously he was hurt, woozy hard to tell. Nevertheless he probably shouldn’t have turtled to back of cage to allow Carwin to ground and pound him, that was a bad decision.
Worked out fine according to the Win / Loss line...
You can second guess Lensar all you want, but it was him in their with the heaviest puncher in MMA. I don’t know what I would do, but I wasn’t in there and refuse to second guess the guy that was.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
yes ninjames
its kinda like brock never got hit when he sparred before…it was a total shock to him
Well, it’s pretty hard to replicate what Carwin can hit you with in sparring, when you’re not supposed to try to kill people. lol
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Its easy to replicate Carwin in training...
bring a sledgehammer and go to work.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
thats understood but you stil bring it 85% in training…and you dont normally react by backpedalling onto your back
I think that’s reaching, most guys just normally go out when Carwin so Brock was already ahead of the game.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Jul 4, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Most people’s 85% in training would be like 25% for Carwin. Shots like that you don’t train for, you fight through it and learn.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Especially because...
Carwin’s power translates shots that shouldn’t KO people into monster knockouts.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
by Razreshat on Jul 4, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some people just have unnaturally heavy hands, Carwin is one of them. He put Gonzaga to sleep with a short cross. He nearly knocked Mir into the next life with dirty boxing punches. As somebody pointed out, it’s nearly impossible to replicate that level of power in a sparring environment, nor would I, if I were Lesnar’s trainer, want him to deal with it on a daily or even weekly basis. Lesnar did exactly what he should have done and refused to stand in front of Carwin and trade.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
by Rudinho479 on Jul 4, 2010 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is why Kid Nate is the best blogger around
He doesn’t make grandiose statements and stories right after the fight, instead he is succinct and clear in his opinions. More of this, less of that gibberish spewing from one of the other front page posts.
by Curbside on Jul 4, 2010 2:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Rather this was an intentional Kid Nate joke, or you really thought he wrote this, I lol’ed.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions
actually in the Carwin P4P blogger rankings he is a distant 8th
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock definately answered all the remaining questions about him after tonight, the guy is without a doubt the baddest manin the world right now. And it’s going to take a great gameplan and a very skilled HW to beat him, good luck to Cain on that.
As far as Carwin goes, I was very impressed he came out swinging and answered some questions of his own. I also won’t be too hard on him about the gas tank, I think it was as shocking to him as it was to alot of us that Brock was able to survive what anyother HW wouldn’t have. What’s next for him is obviously, working on cardio and when and where to be explosive and not but as far as match ups. There are plenty for him he can face Rothwell, CC, Nog, or the loser or JDS/Nelson all fights would get him back in contention.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
I don't necessarily believe it was a "cardio" issue..
Cardio in the sense of punching himself out and hitting that adrenaline dump.. yes..
Cardio in the sense that he doesn’t have the ability to go past round 1.. no..
I think the majority of it “could” be based on adrenaline dump and fatigue from 75 + punches trying to finish a guy, than just bad cardio (Kimbo)..
We won’t know for sure until he gets pushed in a fight again or goes past the first round.. I’d give him the benefit of the doubt until then, at least..
I questioned his cardio too, coming into this fight. It was one of the major sticking points to the majority of my posts.
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Agreed.
It was not a cardio issue … it was a pacing issue.
Carwin completely emptied his gas tank going for the finish. He should have recognized that Brock was blocking most of his ground and pound and backed off the throttle a bit, maybe even stood back up. Instead, he kept blasting away at 100 miles an hour and completely emptied his tank. Chalk it up to inexperience.
by Steve4192 on Jul 4, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Carwin
is a lot more dangerous than I gave him credit for, IMO, having seen him take on Brock. He came damn close to ending that fight, and even before that he was having little trouble stuffing takedowns. He’s just got to improve his cardio and his pacing. He should have backed off after the first minute of trying to smash Brock’s face. Can’t wait for a potential rematch…
Thank You by Jay-Z (changed a lil')
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You’re far too kind.
Hold your applause, this is your song. not mines.
Thank you, thank you for I just applied a side choke, ‘not mine’(!)
I know that this is an unpopular opinion, and I’ll get a bunch of hate but……..Jay Z is sooooooo overrated.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 4, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
And yet Jay Z claims to be better than BIG
I’m more of a Nas and 2 Pac man myself…..when I want to Hip and Hop that is.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
I like the underground classics...
AceyAlone, Freestyle Fellowship. Abstract Tribe Unique, The Pharcyde etc…
I prefer the intellectual/musical hip-hop over the ghetto/gangsta/braggadocio rap. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 3:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's true though
shawn carter to jay-z, damn you on Jaz dick
so little shorty’s gettin gunned up and clapped quick
how much of Biggie’s rhymes is gonna come out your fat lips?
wanted to be on every last one of my classics
you pop shit, apologize, just ass kiss
—Nas
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 3:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
So don’t compare me to them other bums over there
It’s like apples to oranges, peaches to plums yeah
I’m bananas pussy, cut off the grapes and grow a pair
But I swear, you try to diss me, I’ll slaughter you
I put that on everything, like everyone does with auto-tune
That last thing you wanna do is have me spit out a rhyme
And say I was writing this and I thought of you so
-Mr Mathers
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
jay-z has some good songs, i really like Heart of the City and D’evils, but he gets more love than he deserves.
Outkast > Nas> UGK> Black Star> Jay Z> Wayne (my non BIG/Pac rankings)
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 4:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate Lil Wayne. He sounds like a six year old.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His serious stuff is good.
His autotune usage is awful though. The way he cranks the humanize feature and leaves the response time at 0.01 for that slurring sound is awful. I’m actually a fan of autotune when done right, but Lil Wayne is terrible with it. The worst is when he shows up on T-Pain’s “Can’t Believe It” and sounds like a fucking pedophile.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 4, 2010 5:16 AM EDT up reply actions
In sticking with your "ignore" me...
I will at least say I have earned some respect for your knowledge of production..
I much prefer Melodyne over Autotune.. even for the “Cher” effect that T-Pain claims to “own”..
I guess he forgot that Cher was before him, or even Britney Spears.. Shit we can go back to George Clinton, Peter Frampton (talkbox), Roger Troutman.. etc..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
True that....
….That was some way back shit. He probably didn’t even know who Frampton was, and I’m damn sure he was biting Zapp’s style.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never been impressed by Wayne’s flow. Lyrically, he reuses words and even whole phrases in such a way that it makes me think he’s just out of ideas, and the analogies/images he paints are generally juvenile and uninspired. And musically, it’s downright forgettable.
On a separate note, Blackstar>Outkast, but otherwise I agree with Downey Sr.‘s appraisal. And I think in a few years you’ll be able to add guys like P.O.S. and Chiddy Bang to the mix.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Lil Wayne is the Boomhauer of rap
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 6:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No love for Casual ??
His flow ranks toe to toe with Nas…
And if you like Outkast than you have to show Goodie Mob some love too.. lol
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
i love Goodie Mob
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
Cas lost me with 'He Think He Raw'.
If you like Kast you have to give Souls of Michief some love… That’s where Dre3K got his flow on SPCM from.
Yeah boy!
Fuckin Goodie Mob was some good shit, Soul Food is the joint! Also loved some Common back when he was Common Sense (still dope as Common though). Also, Mos Def (not really up on Black Starr).
You wanna hear some dope lyricists though, check out AceyAlone, Abstract Rude & Saul Williams – All relatively unknown & highly under rated, but doper than most of these new folks.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't stand Jay-Z.
Listening to his Unplugged album revealed so much about his sound. His rapping is so clunky – it doesn’t even sound that rhythmic to me, just regular talking over a beat. You have to bring your a-game when backed by Questlove, and Hova got outworked.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 4, 2010 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Not from me, the guy has been getting away from making the same kind of music/album for almost 10 years now. The worst thing about it is that he has managed to brain wash his fans into treating him like Rakim when he’s not.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Jul 4, 2010 3:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 for the Rakim reference...
I’d rec from my phone if I could…
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just went back and watched the Lesnar/Carwin fight again.
I counted maybe a dozen of those punches that actually landed on Brock’s face…it looked a lot worse on the first viewing, due perhaps to the excitement, and also due to the commenting of Goldberg/Rogan: “BIG RIGHT HANDS!” (as Carwin punches Lesnar in the forearm) “I BELIEVE BROCK LESNAR IS REALLY HURT!” (After Brock has clearly gained control of Carwin.)
by Emoney on Jul 4, 2010 3:57 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Something I noticed as well. Brock did well to keep Shane from directly mauling his face. There’s one elbow after it slowed down though that is absolutely brutal.
Twitter: @Mike_Fagan_13
http://www.sackmikegoldberg.com
by Mike Fagan on Jul 4, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that elbow was vicious.
I just saw some of the replay on ESPN Sportscenter and nothing was really getting through. Loved the non stoppage. Rogan and Goldie definitely sway opinion. That’s why they are there.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Oh yeah, when Lesnar thought he could relax Shane fed him an elbow right down the pipe…was nasty, and caused a decent portion of the visible damage to Brock’s face.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t wait for Lesnar v Cain, I hope Brock doesn’t need too much time off, and it can happen in Oct, or Nov. I think Carwin is still in line for another shot after Cain and JDS, Ben Rothwell would be a good next opponent for him.
Leben v Wandy will be an awesome war. I don’t see Leben ever being a serious threat to a title, but he is a fun gatekeeper.
Akiyama v Matt Hughes/Ricardo Alemdia winner at 170? I think that would be a good fight.
Sotoropolis v Dunham – I think the winner should get a title shot after the Maynard v Florian winner.
- Brock has a Ground Game. While Carwin might not be a renowned grappler, that triangle was nice.
- Brock has a cast-iron chin. Carwin had him hurt, on the ground and was grinding him into a hamburger – and he came back.
- Shane is still one of the hardest hitters in HW. The fact that he was unable to finish Lesnar – well, there’s a reason why Brock has the belt.
- I pity the man who has to face Shane Carwin next. He’ll get into the cage with a man who wants his rematch.
- Bring on Cain, bring on Dos Santos. We’re looking at some veery interesting times in the UFC HW division.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jul 4, 2010 5:58 AM EDT reply actions
Good write up, not much I disagree with.
I guess if anything I’d pick this to point out just b/c of some conversation I have seen since the fight on it:
Fabricio Werdum’s brief flirtation as the #1 heavyweight in the world just vanished
I don’t think beating someone ranked #1 automatically makes you #1, it could also just prove that person should not have been ranked #1 in the first place. Especially when that fighter was not fighting the #2 and #3 ranked guys consistently.
Should Carwin commit to MMA full time if he wants to be champion?
I don’t doubt that Shane trains like an animal, but what MMA champion has a primary occupation that does NOT involve fighting?
Brock has built an entire camp around himself and trains full time. He has shown that he is expanding is JJ game.
Even if Carwin and Brock put in the same amount of work into strength/conditioning, the fact that Carwin spends time behind a desk (as an engineer) puts him at a disadvantage. Brock can use that time extra time to study technique or mentally prepare for a fight. Will Carwin be able to keep up with the rate of progress of Brock? Or will Carwin be left with relying on a puncher’s chance (albeit that’s a BIG puncher’s chance)?
In any case, I am interested in seeing the path Carwin will take to rebound from this loss…
This is probably the most mortal Brock has ever looked in a fight, and yet I was impressed, probably moreso than from his other fights because now we know he can take a shot. And he can suffer adversity and mount a comeback.
Carwin’s cardio was a little exposed last night IMO. He was gassed from before the first round ended. He looked to me like he was desperately trying to put Brock away in the first, and wound up not pacing himself. It should be interesting to see what happens to him in his next fight.
And now Cain’s up. Honestly, I felt Carwin was a bigger threat to Lesnar than Cain. I don’t think he’ll gas like Carwin did, but I don’t think he’ll present the same level of physical danger either.
Fanpost prolly later today
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Does anybody think
That shane’s reluctance to become a real full time fighter had anything to do with this loss? It seems to me that if he was training full time and not working a regular job he would have been better prepared for this fight. I think it has to be done.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
by dedstrk316 on Jul 4, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Shane’s preparation had zero to do with this fight. He just punched himself out. He should have mounted Brock when he had him against the cage and sapped Brock’s energy but he chose to just keep firing away. You could tell he was gonna punch himself out. When the second round started and Shane was in a more upright stance rather than a defensive stance to stop takedowns, you could tell Shane was done for.
Twitter: @FlyByKnite
So part of the reason why Carwin gassed, was because of his size
A bit like Rodney Wallace. How long does it take then to lose muscle? I’m guessing that’s what he needs to do. Also, how detrimental could that be to his overall game?
I don't think it was just his "size"..
I think the majority of it was “adrenaline dump” and fatigue from throwing 75 + punches in a 3 minutes span trying to finish a guy..
I’m also willing to concede that he may have blown his confidence along with the fatigue when he threw everything he did and for the first time in his career, the guy doesn’t quit and stands back up..
I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until we see him in action again.. Perhaps it is bad cardio.. I suspected as much.. I’ll reserve judgment until I see more..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
http://www.compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_116/Lesnar-Carwin.HTM
Carwin threw 100 strikes in the first round. He threw 77 via ground and pound.
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by FlyByKnight on Jul 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t think Lesnar is a lock against Cain Velasquez. There might be good money to make on the challenger, to be honest. As for Shane’s next fight, I think the best option is to give him the winner of Junior dos Santos and Roy Nelson. If the UFC’s serious about holding the winner to challenge the winner of Lesnar/Velasquez, I guess you can give Shane someone like Ben Rothwell? Kind of a tough scenario.
It is tough. No need for a Mir rematch. Still not sure what plans are for Big Nog after this. The winner of JDS/Nelson might be off-limits to him, but he could always fight the loser in a rebound match. I suppose Cro Cop or Kongo are also possibilities for Carwin in the meantime.
I think the logical choice for Nog is Cro Cop.
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Brock definitely wanted nothing of Carwin’s hands, but he obviously doesn’t have the adequate standing defense to use angles yet, and throw punches while getting away, and that’s what they discussed in his corner between rounds.
The only thing not being spoken of is that while Brock has been able to land big shots on well versed opponents, I don’t believe he landed a significant punch against Carwin.
The arm triangle is an incredible new asset to Brocks repetoire. Having those massive arms and strength and being such a fanastic wrestler, I’d expect to see more of the same in the future.
I was thinking the fight was going to be stopped, but Brock used his legs very well to keep Carwin at bay and it must’ve been hard to land punches through those monster arms.
All in all, it wasn’t the most technical HW fight in history, but it had an incredible amount of drama, a near UBERupset, and a comeback that solidifies Brock’s place as #1 HW.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
I think there was a lot more technique used than meets the eye. I hope to show some GIFs later in the week.
It also needs to be pointed out that this fight should be viewed in the context of the heavyweight division. There’s just a lower level of skill compared to the other divisions.
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Hater alert!
That may the best card I’ve ever seen and I’ve been watching MMA a lot longer than bloody elbow has been around. I think someone needs a nap.
Disagree on Pellegrino — I thought he did some good things defensively, but Sotiropoulos was just that good.
True or not, it was a really impressive performance from Sotiropoulos.
Anything in particular?
I thought it was his worst performance in the UFC in some time.
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Carwin landed 61% of his ground-and-pound (47 of 77) and still couldn’t put Brock away. That’s f’n incredible.
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I think part of it was Carwin having trouble getting clean punches through those tree trunks that Brock calls arms.
And he wasn’t working the body for some reason.
I think if he had put knee-to-chest and worked for the mount, Carwin would have finished Brock (or at least worn him down).
There was too much space for Brock to work with and Carwin needed to test Brock’s ground game off of his back.
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