Best in the World? Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin Fail to Impress at UFC 116
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:06 AM EDT
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Mike Goldberg and Joe Rogan called Brock Lesnar's title defense against the relatively unknown Shane Carwin the biggest heavyweight promotion in MMA history. We'll know next week whether that was true when the pay per view numbers trickle out, but certainly Fedor-Cro Cop and even Sylvia-Couture had significantly more buzz in the community. Goldberg made another claim I think we can dispute right away: he said these were the two best heavyweights in the world. I saw something different. I saw a wildly entertaining fight between two guys who are still nowhere near finished products in the cage. To channel Georges St. Pierre for a moment, while I was entertained, I was "not impressed with their performance."
We learned a few things about Brock Lesnar tonight. We confirmed what many suspected: Brock Lesnar doesn't like to get hit. As soon as Carwin touched him, Lesnar did more than cover up. He flat cowered against the cage. He wasn't hurt as much as terrified. Make no mistake-Carwin had that fight won. Against anyone who isn't the promotion's heavyweight champion, that fight gets stopped due to some brutal ground and pound.
Lucky for Lesnar, Carwin isn't merely a one-round fighter. He doesn't even have that much in him. Three minutes into the bout and Carwin's heaving breaths couldn't feed his mammoth muscles. Lesnar survived, less because of his own defensive prowess and more because Carwin gassed and gassed bad.
We learned a few things about Shane Carwin, too. When the fight went to the second round, Carwin was no longer participating. He looked like he was approaching a heart attack and was like a spectator at his own execution. Lesnar took him to the mat with a sloppy tackle and shortly thereafter finished him with an arm triangle. It was hardly a display of technical prowess. Carwin had either checked out mentally or simply couldn't summon the energy to defend himself.
As a spectacle, it was amazing. Lesnar's display of fortitude will become a big part of his legend. But this fight still leaves tons of lingering questions about what kind of fighter Lesnar will become. He looked helpless against Carwin, scared and desperate. His standup game is still rudimentary. He got tagged with everything and landed almost nothing. If he gets hit by Cain Velasquez, one thing is for certain. We know Cain won't falter, will never quit that prematurely. This is a winnable fight for Cain Velasquez and one I'm looking forward to very much.
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Wow.
I don’t even know what to say to this.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 34 recs
He truly encapsulates what you think about the fight right?
I appreciate your article Snowden and agree with every single point. Tonight, BROCKLESNAR became a mortal and became simply Brock Lesnar. The fact that he was able to turn the fight around was commendable but its more important to emphasize Carwin had nothing left after trying to finish Lesnar in the first round. Brock could’ve thrown a flying armbar and won the fight.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
by andrew861 on Jul 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Considering everyone was saying if Cotoure could make Lesnar see tweety birds, than Carwin was going to knock him out. It is very impressive Brock survived the beating he did. Fedor got knocked around by Rogers and everyone proclaimed Rogers better than expected. What a joke of a double standard.
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
For the record, I was one of the first to criticize Fedor after his performance against Rogers.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
I`m sure you were the first to criticize Fedor, Andrew...
And judging by the way you generally post… I`m also fairly certain that you have always been right about everything that has ever happened in MMA, even when you initially pretended to have a completely different opinion than the one that you later present to the public.
I truly believe you Andrew! And in no way whatsoever do I think you are an over-aggressive know-it-all. Keep it Real, Andrew!
"This guy is either trolling or he’s just an idiot. My money is on it being both." -Who is Ryoto
by BlueberryMuffin on Jul 4, 2010 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Blueberry Muffin:
Ahhh, yes I remember you. You made that idiotic fanpost asking Shogun to drop his belt. I will apologize for pounding you hard in that fanpost (it has made you butt-hurt, I see) but I must ask you to refrain from propagating baseless accusations against me. I will be the first to admit I don’t know everything about MMA nor do I “pretend” to know everything about MMA. But, in each and every post/reply that I’ve made, I have stuck by my word unlike yourself.
In any case, I will ask you to keep up the good work. Please continue to create more misguided and erroneous fanposts that we all can enjoy.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
by andrew861 on Jul 4, 2010 6:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lousy article
Somebody has a warped perspective.
I think maybe Snowden should spend some time training or at least show a bit more respect for those who do.
No, sir, the double standard is being applied the other way...
Not to unnecessarily bring Fedor into this, but it’s only fair to point out that the majority of BE comments here have been heavily pro-Lesnar – mainly being impressed with his ability to handle gnp he took in Round 1. But when Fedor had to endure the same from Rogers (and by the same, I mean 10 seconds worth instead of 3 minutes worth), people used that as evidence to point to him not being able to compete with the “modern era” HW division.
inb4 people call me a butthurt Fedor fan and suicide watch, etc.
by neyvit on Jul 4, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Good post, I agree with you completely.
"Referees, be sure to step in and stop the fight on time tomorrow, because I might get carried away in the moment and my many punches may end up destroying my opponent." - Tatsuya "CRUSHER" Kawajiri
Rogers was a glorified bum with less than a puncher's chance
and he still was on top of Fedor and swept the allmighty Fedor from the bottom.
Brock was under a 265 lb solid muscle DII wrestling champion who’d killed all his opponents in the first round. And lived to tell.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I keed!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
What might have something to do with that...
Carwin > Rogers
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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just barely.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If Fedor had turned in Lesnar’s performance, people would be screaming about how he was exposed, and this just proves he’s not really #1, etc. etc.
by JRN on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lesnar had turned in Fedor’s performance he would have lost.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 4, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
::sigh::
If you mean the Werdum fight, then sure: if Brock would have lost, he would have lost. A rec-worthy tautology, to be sure!
Maybe you thought my comment was intended as some kind of slight to Lesnar. It wasn’t. It’s merely an observation about that kind of discourse that pops around Fedor fights, specifically the ones that he wins—a sort of discourse we’re not seeing much of around these parts right now. Thus continuing the “double standard” theme of the comment I initially replied to. (It’s not the kind of discourse I like see, either—I generally hope for a middle ground between gratuitous fawning and mean-spirited revisionism.)
I realize everything these days has to be twisted to fit the pro/anti-UFC narrative that exists mainly in commenter’s imaginations, but I’d appreciate it if my own comments weren’t read that way.
by JRN on Jul 4, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar did not become more vulnerable he answered questions.
I have long been a Lesnar hater, but Lesnar proved his worth to me now more than ever.
We already know Lesnar will rag doll most smaller fighters, but my big questions were:
a) How would he handle someone who could match his size and strength?
He won.
b) Can he take a punch?
He survived punches from THE hardest hitter in MMA.
Lesnar answered both questions in impressive fashion.
Will Cain beat him? Maybe, if he can secure a takedown and make Lesnar work from his back. I don’t know how likely that is. Aside from that or Lesnar / Shane 2 I don’t see anyone beating him.
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Good post
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
He answered one question for me...
After seeing this fight, i know the man who will beat him.
Alistair Overeem! 100% sure
Who knows it will ever happen.
I feel sorry for Shane, he should have finished it in the first round and he´s a great guy.
It disappoints me when some vocal people in cyberspace hide behind a pseudonym and make malicious and baseless attacks against athletes that have never failed a screen for banned substances. These keyboard toxicologists think that they can merely look at an athlete and "know" that so-and-so is a "juicer." There is a term for that. It's called "delusions of grandeur," and medication may help. (Dr. Johnny Benjamin)
Looking at this GIF
of the shots shown here, I’m thinking the only one that landing with any consequence was the initial uppercut that set the whole thing in motion…I wonder how many of the shots on the ground actually landed…It was hard to tell full speed.
Not a lot of shots landed on the ground. Brocks defense was outstanding which does make me believe he wasn’t that hurt when he sorta tucked up and went to the ground. I do think he panicked more than his lights were knocked dim. Carwin fell for it and punched himself out.
He definitely freaked out a bit and lost his cool there.
You can see how surprised he was from that uppercut. From there it’s just trying to get away from the coming shots.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I'm not a big fan of obvious troll jobs like this post.
I understand that controversy drives blog traffic, and I get the whole “if you don’t like the author or the post, don’t read it!” sentiment. I love this blog, I don’t want to stop coming here. You can ignore a post like this one, but it’s still going to bring down the level of discourse on BE on the whole, IMO. I prefer a small(er) community of well spoken, thoughtful fans enriching the comment sections, not than the reactionary riots that come when this heel hits ‘submit.’
by Manzanillos Cup on Jul 4, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
So, you disagree that Carwin gassed out in the very first round? Disagree that Brock looked vulnerable? Disagree that Cain is a good fight for Brock? What did you disagree with exactly?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin did gas, but...
Everyone is vulnerable to Carwin’s right hand… EVERYONE… Very few have proven able to weather it, Lesnar is in a class of his own in that regard.
Is Cain a tougher test for Lesnar? I don’t think he is. He could win is he wins the wrestling battle and he can put Lesnar on his back, but Cain is not Carwin when it comes to power punching.
I disagree with
1. The title for starters. I think Brock impressed tonight 100% by just surviving the first round and standing back up at the end.
2. The fact you alluded that there was favoritism shown simply because he was the “promotion’s heavyweight champion”. Rosenthal had a better view than any of us to see if those shots were actually doing damage. The fact that Brock was able to stand back up which is either a sign the shots were not getting through or he can take a pounding validates the fight should not have been stopped.
3. You call Lesnar submission unimpressive. He took Carwin down, went from half guard to full mount (an mma skill), then to side control (another skill), and then submitted him with an arm triangle from his (Lesnar’s) weaker less trained side. Source – post fight presser in response to a question.
4. The obvious inflammatory nature the post was written with is why people are so wound up, myself included as I prefer a more objective approach.
by MichaelD8 on Jul 4, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
You prefer objectiity..
…in your opinion pieces?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions
What part of my response is opinion to you? Please explain?
without the sarcasm, if that’s possible, if not then with it is fine also.
He meant that this post is an opinion piece
which is inherently subjective.
(Still written in a blatantly inflammatory way though.)
Silly humans, this world is for robots.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not in this for the debate.
It’s irrelevant whether I agree with your points or not. You’ve forgotten more about this sport than I’ll ever know. It’s in the tone and timing of the piece. Did you not understand the reaction that that headline would cause? I love to hear your (often) dissenting opinions, I just wish there was a bit more nuance and civility in their presentation.
by Manzanillos Cup on Jul 4, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY...
Snowden you come off as a hater in this article.
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by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions
People need to lighten up
Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone has one. My concern is those people who retweeted this article. So much negativity. People work hard to entertain you and all you care about is whether they are this or that.
Journalism should be made a free career so some of these people can go and actually do something to contribute to society. Brock and Carwin entertained. No matter who won or lost. J.S on the other hand, well. He has a book. So bow down and worship.
by SheepleBuster on Jul 5, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
How or why do you guys rec kyfm621 post
He said absolutely nothing and has 12 recs.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
lol
better then my post that got a tonne of recs too. I think it’s just that most people are reacting to this post like the two of us were; speechlessly. People are just recing these comments to convey their own speechlessness.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
I think
People are so blown away with how far this article is from the general consensous that it takes them a few seconds to formulate coherent thought. In that time, all they can do is rec others who have had a similar issues.
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Don't blame me...
But it’s probably because thats exactly wtf those 12 others were thinking.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It was more a question about the recs than your lame post.
Why rec someone saying he has nothing to say? This whole page is filled with green recs. Surely you would want to cut the fat and only rec posts that add to the conversation?
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Jonathan...
I have enjoyed a number of your posts since you joined BE…but I’m starting to think that the person who couldn’t let any criticism of his writing go without multiple responses, that thin-skinned, pot-stirrer, is perhaps the real you. Not the thoughtful, articulate writer I initially was excited to have as an addition to the community.
It isn’t just what you say, it’s how you say it that matters.
You did make a number of good points, but went too far into hyperbole and that is, of course, going to damage your credibility.
1) Carwin isn’t as experienced or well known as some HWs who have been around for awhile, true, but he is hardly “relatively unknown”. He was a top up and comer two years ago, and many of us have looked forward to this fight way back then. His wins since then only added to the anticipation.
2) You’re right, they’re not finished fighters, they both entered this sport at an advanced age and still have alot to learn. And yet, I would rank them #1 and #2 right now. It’s my subjective opinion, but I doubt I am alone. Raw? Yes. Unworthy of consideration for the top 2 spots in the HW rankings? Not at all.
3) Lesnar did looked scared. He looked vulnerable for the first time in the octagon. And Carwin did run out of steam, he gassed alright. If you downgrade them as fighters then I guess you can frame that as each being inferior and lacking, but if you respect them as top of their class (which many of us do) then Lesnar was hurt and scared because of Carwin’s power and Carwin was gassed because he threw a ton of power shots at Lesnar, who managed to weather them and come back.
It’s all in the context I guess, but it seems like you purposefully chose the most denigrating context to see them in and that is a shame after such an exciting and truly epic fight.
by Django Z on Jul 4, 2010 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 26 recs
Perfectly articulated.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 4, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent post, the only bit I disagree with is that Snowden’s previous BE posts have been that enjoyable.
by TheKeyboardWarrior on Jul 4, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly.
Particularly describing Carwin as “relatively unknown.” OK, an opinion piece gets to be subjective. But it should still connect with reality on some level right? I’m not sure how Carwin is relatively unknown. It’s a shallow division at best (HW), but under any metric, Carwin is easily one of the top 10 HWs right now, and has meaningful quality wins of 2 legit opponents (Mir & Gonzaga). For all their faults, at HW, beating both those guys in the impressive fashion that Carwin did is highly relevant.
Maybe casuals don’t know who Carwin is, but I’d bet that Carwin is “better known” on that metric than Fedor – the greatest HW of all time.
This was a great card and really showed us all the Heart of Brock Lesnar. If Carwin couldnt stop him nobody will. Brock is going to have this belt for along time.
One of the best cards in awhile thank you Dana. And im a Fedor fan but now we know who the baddest man on the planet is.
Don’t jinx it. One moment we’re talking about Lesnar being the champ forever and ever amen – and the next thing we know Brock watches someone leave the cage with the belt. Remember the ‘Machida Era’?
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jul 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Snowden seems to enjoy Shock Journalism.
First we have him accusing Chuck Liddell of cocaine use, TMZ Style, and now this Fox News Alert style headline. Please don’t cheapen the site with your Mr. Contrary too cool for the room nonsense.
You're fucking nuts.
If that didn’t impress you, you’re fucking nuts. I’m sorry.
Brock Lesnar showed he can get hit.
Brock Lesnar showed heart.
Brock Lesnar showed that he is, without a doubt, the best mixed martial artist on Earth.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 41 recs
third point disagree. cain velasquez wins the belt. so would JDS.
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Is this serious? Cain beat up Ben Rothwell and Big Nog. As big as Lesnar is his strikers and much faster and harder than either of those guys. That doesn’t even factor in the strength and size advantage Lesnar will have in the wrestling game. Cain’s wrestling is significantly less dominant from his back which is where he will be there entire fight until the ref pulls Lesnar off of him.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
If he's seriously about coming in at 240
He’s going to be eaten alive.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
so what should he do?
-focus only on weight training in lieu of technical training so he can be 255-260, but less prepared?
-roid up and train as he has been, come in at 255-260, but with cardio suffering from roids? (could probably figure out how to beat a piss test)
-keep doing what he’s been doing, come in at 240 and much improved, with speed and comfort on his side? (dude is always getting better, although Brock is too).
I don’t really know. I guess I’m with you on Brock being the best right now. Maybe not most skilled MMArtist, but definitely worst man on the planet to get in a fight with, barring weapons and eye gouging. I don’t really see anyting being able to overcome Brock’s athleticism/size ratio other than Carwin’s otherworldy mind-bending power. I don’t know if anyone else can hurt brock enough to make him vulnerable.
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 4, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I agree with his first few points, but the last one has yet to be seen. I think Cain beats him.
i think so too
Cain might be the real destroyer at HW.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Are you joking? He was terrified of the standup and won when the other guy couldn’t fight anymore.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You mean he weathered the storm, survived, and then won via submission? Ok. Completely unimpressive.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 24 recs
"won when the other guy couldn't fight anymore" ...
isn’t that KIND OF THE FUCKING POINT?
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by bobthewriter on Jul 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 24 recs
by couldn’t fight anymore you mean taken down and choked out?
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 17 recs
I mean
was gasping for air and seemingly immobile.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Because a 265 man mounted him and quickly jumped to side?
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Have you been drinking?
That was a great fight
by _Haze_ on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
Did you read the article?
I saw a wildly entertaining fight
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
It was easy to lose track of that sentence...
considering all the other stupid shit you typed around it.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
by Razreshat on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
All I saw was johnathen drinking the Hate Sauce.
When you saw Nog getting flopped around by Sapp no one here is going to say what a sloppy fight Nog only held on so he could beat an exhausted unskilled Sapp. Give credit where credit is due. Brock held on took the pain and turned it around. For a man like Carwin whose history is to not to leave the second round , and beat the crap out of someone it was a remarkable display of heart that brock showed.
by dandeman on Jul 4, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It sure was
It was. But was it a great display of skill? Does Lesnar look stronger coming out of this?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Did Fedor not look stronger after getting supplexed onto his head and proceeding to arm-bar Kevin Randleman within a minute?
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by s.r.genovese on Jul 4, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I think so...
A KO by Carwin or JDS was about the only way Lensar looked like he would lose any time soon, and now he’s shown that it isn’t going to be that easy either.
And hell, that was a very technical submission he used. I was very impressed.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Hmmm
Do you not believe that Fedor could KO Lesnar after what you saw tonight?
Is Carwin faster than Fedor? More accurate than Fedor? Does he have better cardio than Fedor?
He does have better wrestling, strength and power in his punches
Brock trucks Fedor and any other guy under 260. Better wrestling or more power than Carwin has(not available at this time) are the only things stopping the train.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
Does Lesnar look stronger?
To me he does.
He handled the biggest strongest fighter of his career and…
He showed that he can:
-Take a punch (from THE biggest puncher in the sport)
-Weather a storm
-Come from behind
-Win by submission
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
...and for the record...
Nobody ever stated that Lesnar was the most well rounded or technical fighter in the world. People have said he will be tough to beat. He just proved that he is even tougher than we thought.
Cawrin’s only route to victory was landing a big punch and following up with shots for a KO. Everything went Carwin’s way and that still wasn’t enough. That IS impressive.
It's your opinion and obv writers are going to write...
but to say Brock didnt display any “skill” is absolutely ridiculous. He took Carwin down, went from half guard to full mount, then to side control and then instead of beating Carwin’s brains in he transitions to an arm triangle, improves his postion and submits him in Gladiator voice “ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?!?” What fight were you watching?!?
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by StayGoldLikeFlair on Jul 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
p4p worst article on BE in years!
Lesnar took him to the mat with a sloppy tackle and shortly thereafter finished him with an arm triangle. It was hardly a display of technical prowess.
He got the TD, Passed half guard, mounted, gave up the mount to SUBMIT HIM!
I dont even know how to express how silly i think this writeup was… BROCKLESNAR chose to submit a 265lb beast like Carwin RATHER THAN GNP HIM FROM THE MOUNT! Pretty damn TECHNICAL and IMPRESSIVE to me!
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
by MMArazorback on Jul 4, 2010 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'll make that green for you.
I agree, I was definitely impressed that Brock chose a sub over GnP (the fact that he even noticed the opening was impressive), and the speed he displayed while doing it was awesome for a 265+ pounder. His transition were very smooth (I think Carwin’s “full body cramp” had a bit to do with that) and was able to recognize the choke wasn’t fully sunken in, and made the neccessary adjustments on the fly, under tremendous pressure.
Definitely praise worthy.
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I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
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Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
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by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
watch it again
Carwin was tired but he wasn’t that gassed until BROCKLESNAR cut off his blood and oxygen supply
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
So Brock was unimpressive because Carwin has a shitty gas tank?
by ufc4 on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 16 recs
Brock Lesnar can never be impressive. It’s in the Hardcore MMA Fan rulebook.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Which, not coincidentally, was written by Snowden.
by ufc4 on Jul 4, 2010 1:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 21 recs
I think Snowden just became the Brock Lesnar of MMA writing...
The last like of this article should have had comments about getting on top of his wife and drinking Coors Light
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So is GSP overrated because he refused to stand with Hardy? Did that make GSP scared?
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
He didn’t want to stand with Alves either. But… He’s still the most dominant welterweight in MMA.
[Osborne's] school has this ultimatum from Texas to either spit or get off the pot. Commit to the Big 12, Texas is saying, or we'll take this Pac-10 offer, rake in more cash and kiss the Big 12 goodbye. It's on you, Nebraska. Texas is good at this sort of thing -- it could blame Cadillac for those Toyota brake problems and get away with it. - Dennis Dodd
by Screwface on Jul 4, 2010 2:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
He was hurt by a guy who had murdered everyone else he had ever landed on. He then weathered three full minutes of ground and pound from that guy and proceeded to survive and actually finish the round with Carwin’s back against the cage.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
I would rather focus on the positives of brocks performance than anything. Taking a punch from Carwin and weathering the storm is something the majority of heavyweights can’t do. I don’t think he feared the standup, BUT his reaction to being hit wasn’t impressive. Even his corner at the end of round one referred to it. I think this fight helps him so much in his career progression. I don’t think he reacts that way to being punched in the future.
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
What?
Seriously, this is on the level of those asshats who criticize GSP for being a “coward” and a “boring fighter.”
Name a HW w/ more pure power than Carwin. Brock survived (and defended surprisingly well off his back), and then showed great chops in submitting him.
Maybe Cain beats Brock – a real possibility in my mind. But it ain’t automatic, b/c Cain has never shown anything near Carwin’s power. So if he doesn’t gas as quick, he also isn’t going to be hurting Brock like that in the 1st round.
And “terrified”? Seriously, dude. You are one of the best MMA writers around. But right now, imo, you come off like a sherdog troll.
I say he takes Fedor’s place in the GSP-Silva-Fedor triumvirate for #1.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
P4P? Lesnar? Congrats on the win but I guess we have a different definition of P4P.
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Then who's more deserving?
Granted, the P4P list is more in flux than the rest of the rankings, but that was some scary shit we saw tonight.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 4, 2010 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions
depends on how you interpret P4P. if it’s by comparing 2 fighters proportionately next to each other, then you could argue that tyson griffin and 200 other guys should be higher than lesnar.
P4P is a weird subject.
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What? You’re saying that Tyson Griffin is better compared to lightweights than Lesnar is to Heavyweights? Because that’s what P4P means. Its not straight up skills or something.
Hard core MMA fan since UFC 99
It means that..
If they were the same weight, the skills that Tyson Griffin has, are suprierior to the skills that Brock has.
Without the extra 30-40 lbs on most heavyweights, could Brock be as dominant? Probably not. His size and strenght are what make him so dangerous, not his technique.
Uh, sorry dude...
Its not straight up skills or something
That’s exactly what it means.
Pound for Pound means, “if everyone weighed the same amount who would win, based on skill”
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
And I think that’s the only real interpretation of pound for pound.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Best mixed martial artist on Earth???????????
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not skill for skill, but...
He beats up just about anyone else on the planet.
That is a title that the heavyweight champ gets to carry.
Did Anderson Silva die while I was busy fapping over Leben's sub?
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
No you're fucking nuts
Are you blind? Carwin won the damn fight and the ref let it go so Lesnar could have the possibility of continuing.
How did lesnar show heart by taking 48 consecutive punches after getting grazed/HURT BADLY. Carwin was fucking cheated.
Lesnar will probably take Cain down and gnp and everyone will bow to him again.
carwin will walk through two fights and get another shot and FINISH him.
Anyone else takes that beating and the ref stops it and gets an ataboy for being concerned about the fighters health.
Rosenthal did an amazing job
Forearm punches don’t finish fights.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 16 recs
Fighters not fighting back after being smashed to the ground
Last I checked turtling gets the fight either stood up or stopped.
by taz66 on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did you WATCH the last Strikeforce card?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Good lord.....
Does your shill-ery ever stop?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Tonight is a good night, and nothing you can say or do will bring me down
I’m walking on sunshine
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was a great night of fights
why you have to douche it up with a lame shot a Strikeforce is beyond me?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
Last I checked turtling gets the fight either stood up or stopped.
Did you not see the Finney-Cyborg fight? That it was Strikeforce is inconsequential
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
????????????
Does Strikeforce control refs?
Did the Sell-Brown fight make the UFC incosequential?
Refs are the domain of the state commisions.
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
He was referencing Strikefoce because it HAPPENED IN STRIKEFORCE. What was he supposed to say, “Did you see the last MMA card?”
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
by woomikee on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Carwin was fucking cheated.
uhhh? seemed lesnar had no problem continuing.
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
He was GIVEN
the opportunity to continue when it should’ve been stopped.
I’m not fooled by his after fight slapping hisself acting like it wasn’t shit. He was done and given the extra chance and took advantage of that chance. I really think fedor would’ve starched him now.
by taz66 on Jul 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
you sound like a dude blinded by a lost bet
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
I didn't bet
But if I had I’d be pissed off. Now I’m just amazed at all the Lesnar loving going on.
He was DONE. Give any tko’d fighter a chance at getting back into it and they might do the same thing. His cardio was better but his chin is now exposed and Cain might get at it. Probably not but the rematch will end differently.
Look at how Mir came back in their first fight.
The ref stood them up when Mir was clearly ktfo’d and Mir gets the win. Everyone, including me, a Mir fan, thought it was an early Christmas.
by taz66 on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
How can you say that when Brock very clearly worked his way back to his feet? You wanted the fight to be stopped prematurely, like you’ve seen done in the past, and you’re pissed because it wasn’t. It’s like being outraged that Sotiropuolos won the UD, when fighters have put up more dominant performances and gotten robbed. You wanted the premature call to be made, and it wasn’t, get over it.
by Charger567 on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Fighters not fighting back after being smashed to the ground
Are you blind? Carwin won the damn fight and the ref let it go so Lesnar could have the possibility of continuing.
How did lesnar show heart by taking 48 consecutive punches after getting grazed/HURT BADLY. Carwin was fucking cheated.
Lesnar will probably take Cain down and gnp and everyone will bow to him again.
carwin will walk through two fights and get another shot and FINISH him.
Anyone else takes that beating and the ref stops it and gets an ataboy for being concerned about the fighters health.
This is so fucking dumb I can’t stand it.
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Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 4, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 18 recs
Deal with it and youtube Mir Lesnar I
Then tell me the right man won that fight.
I like the new Lesnar I just didn’t think he impressed that much. Eating 46 consecutive punches without a stoppage.
Why would they stop it?
Do you think he was hurting the backs of his hands bad enough to quit? He’s awake and alert, keep fighting.
"Right Leg Hospital, Left Leg Cemetery " ~ Cro Cop.
"One time my wrist watch stopped from fear". ~ Cro Cop.
by jay. on Jul 4, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahah
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I take it you mean Snowden’s article too, because he basically said the same thing.
by bleve_ on Jul 4, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grow up your sore loser
I can’t believe all this Carwin was cheated nonsense. He was cheated all right. He cheated himself for not training for a five round fight.
by HoomanCan on Jul 4, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Do you really believe anything you're writing, or is this some lame attempt at trolling?
Carwin did not win the fight. Lesnar won via Submission…
Anyway, off of his back, Lesnar was covering up, moving his hips, working for wrist control, pulling half guard, kicking Carwin away…you know, all those things a decent mma fighter will do when they’re being attacked from top control. He never once went into fetal position, never once stopped moving, and never once stopped intelligently defending himself. Yes, he was taking some shots, but is this not mixed martial arts? Don’t we expect people to get punched/kicked every once in a while? None of the punches Carwin was landing were doing any serious damage because Brock was deflecting a large majority of them with his forearms and elbow. As soon as he saw the opportunity, he did a very nice sit-out, got to his feet, and kneed Carwin in the face. Shane was aggressive from top, so his onslaught looked much more damaging than it actually was, but then again, that’s his style and we ultimately saw the end result when his blitzkrieg fails.
I honestly hope you’re under 16 years old, because if not, just…wow.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
by Rudinho479 on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
I have to wonder why you wish I'm under 16?lol
I’m not trolling check out my above posts and I’m done posting to the heavily intoxicated.
Because if you're not under 16
I feel very, very sorry for you.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
by Rudinho479 on Jul 4, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I thought you were looking for a date.
But thanks for the pity. It’s strange how people have to be trolls to be disagreeing with the majority of a crowd of Lesnar fans.
You said it all Rudy...
Don’t even waste any more time on the kid, he obviously doesn’t listen to reason and refuses to face the reality of the situation.
I’m pissed Shane lost too, but Brock earned that win, and I’m gonna give him the same respect that I’d give anyone who could survive Hurricane Shane and come out on top.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
My name. So weird to see it.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
You said he gave a tko'd fighter a chance at getting back
I have always been under the impression that the idea of a tko was to stop a fighter from taking any more unnecessary damage. If Lesnar had the ability to continue after all of those punches how can you consider him tko’d?
here’s a question I have: if the fight is stopped when a fighter can’t reasonably defend himself, what would you consider reasonably defending himself when someone is on top of you throwing bombs?
In my opinion, the epitome of intelligent defense is covering your face in an attempt to block the shots.
If that was happening on the feet, meaning Carwin was throwing punches at Brock with the majority of them getting blocked by Brock’s forearms, with some slipping through, with Brock remaining lucid just not throwing many punches back, would the ref stop the fight?
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by the fight what you saw, in the ring"
ha – that’s exactly what I thought reading those comments.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Jul 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha so what
I don’t bet but I see where a nut hugging Lesnar fan would think that.
Look
after the initial shot that rocked Lesnar, I didn’t see many punches landing cleanly. And, from my chair, Brock was “intelligently defending himself” – he pulled down on the head, blocked punches with his arms, looked to grab a leg, and as he said post-fight “I could feel each punch was less and less dramatic” – I could see that too and I’m guessing Rosenthal did as well.
With that said, Brock’s corner noted at the end of round 1 that Lesnar could not just sit there and ride out the storm because he was risking a stoppage. Had Rosenthal stopped it, wouldn’t been the worst stoppage I’ve seen, but I think he made the correct call in not stopping it. I think the bottom line is that Brock was intelligently defending himself, and Carwin wasn’t doing a lot of damage after the initial surge.
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
by lcollins1 on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Look at how Mir came back in their first fight.
If the ref would’ve stopped it at the right time, Lesnar stays undefeated and the right man wins.
can you explain why it should have been stopped?
take note that no matter standing or grounded punching somebody in the elbow does not constitute a stoppage
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well blueballs
First of all, that’s a great name.
Second of all covering up and eating 100 punches doesn’t give you a granite chin.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
Turtling up doesn’t mean you have a great chin.
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions
taking a full
power uppercut from one of if not the most devastating puncher in MMA does
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
OK buddy...
I don’t know how he covered up and ate 100 punches, so it’s kinda hard to respond…but covering up means blocking, and since you acknowledge he was blocking, then your whole argument is a bunch of bullshit. (no offense) =)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ah......wait....for.....it
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha whatever
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
See Lesnar vs. Couture
Brock had to hit Randy like 500 times before the ref stopped it. A fighter gets in trouble he’s supposed to cover up, what you want Brock to do, stick his chin out and take his beating “like a man” ?!? Brock was fighting back and actually landed a couple of blows from the bottom before getting to his feet and ending the round pressing Carwin against the cage. It was close but a good non stoppage by the ref (imho).
"Let's kick some names and take some a$$"
by StayGoldLikeFlair on Jul 4, 2010 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Is that even English?
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Brock Lesnar showed that he is, without a doubt, the best mixed martial artist on Earth.
I don’t know if people are drunk, being sarcastic or just being hilarious fanboys. If you think that display showed Brock to be a good mixed martial artist, watch it again. He’s a tough SOB but c’mon.
Snowden’s article is so far the only one with a sober, balanced perspective.
umm sir, maybe
you should reevaluate your definition of MIXED……..MARTIAL……..ARTS, break that down and maybe it will be easier for you to understand
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I am sober and far from a fan boy.
Lesnar may bot be the best example of mixed matial arts, but…
Lesnar would be favoured to be EVERYBODY and he is a mixed martial artist.
I personally wouldn’t call him the best mixed martial artist, but I see where they are coming from.
This is the most
GREEN I’ve ever seen since St. Patty’s day!
All I have to do is come to this article and print out the comments section in color print. Nobody will pinch me for a year.
Btw, I understand Lesnar didn’t look great in the first round, but your (snowden’s) logic would be the same as justifying Fedor isn’t that great because he was getting OWNED against Arvloski until his brains became shit and he threw a flying face. I mean knee.
"You just got your asses whipped..by a bunch of god damn nerds..NERDSS!!"
by Lambda Lambda Lambda on Jul 4, 2010 3:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll give you best HW on the planet,
but GSP (just for one) is a far better fighter over all.
Snowden isn’t wrong that Brock and Carwin aren’t finished fighters.
He is wrong to dismissively treat them as if they aren’t relevant HW’s.
Also, Snowden really comes off poorly posting this piece right now, just after an awesome, awesome fight. What HW’s has Snowden been watching that actually impress him? Even JDS, and Cain are hardly finished or perfect fighters (both can get hit, JDS’s ground game is untested, and Cain’s power is still a question mark in my mind – Nog’s chin just ain’t the same).
There is no writer I disagree more with than you.
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 27 recs
Lambda Lambda Lambda
is leaving the building…
I’m getting tired of "rec"ing.
"You just got your asses whipped..by a bunch of god damn nerds..NERDSS!!"
by Lambda Lambda Lambda on Jul 4, 2010 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh god
Cue the far and feathers.
by ufc4 on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 13 recs
Dude, if you weren't impressed by that
Then you’re not a fan of MMA
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 1:20 AM EDT reply actions 21 recs
Dude, if you were impressed by that
Then you’re easily amused
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if you weren't impressed
You really shouldve been amused.
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
by troy145 on Jul 4, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously?
seriously???? SERIOUSLY?!?!?!?!?!
Seriously?
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
by Goonisis on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 17 recs
Are you saying Shane quit?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
That's ballsy
Seems like the kind of thing you wouldn’t be likely to say about him within earshot. Maybe he was on roids, too!
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Total quitter move.
This is straight from the Kimbo Slice school of thought on MMA. If he would have passed out, would you have been more impressed by Brock? That seems like… lunacy to me.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
He didn’t offer much in round 2 did he?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You're completely discounting Lesnar's top control abilities.
Carwin was tired. We can all agree on that. But so was Lesnar. In the 2nd round, I saw Lesnar patiently wait for an opportunity to do one of his bulldog style takedowns (which he’s evidently known for by everyone who’s seen any of his collegiate wrestling matches). Once he secured it, he moved to his favorite position, top half-guard. Now Carwin has 285+ lbs. of heaaavvvy former NCAA Division 1 wrestler on top of him, one who’s been working with one of the best pure jiu jitsu guys in the world. Lesnar then took his time and secured a textbook arm triangle.
I didn’t see Carwin give up. Once Lesnar put Carwin on his back, he was able to implement his preferred strategy. Carwin defended the arm triangle perfectly, but Lesnar was able to make small, minute adjustments that were the difference between securing the submission or gassing himself. While I don’t believe that either Brock or Carwin are top p4p fighters, I do believe that your article oozes hyperbole and is pretty flat.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
by Rudinho479 on Jul 4, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
I agree, but Lesnar wasn't tired.
He had the same snap on the takedown that he did in the 1st.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd say he was tired,
but far from gassed or anything. He was able to dig deep and certainly didn’t look like he had slowed – at least not relative to Shane who slowed a lot.
Lesnar was tired
but so is every jiu jitsu mundial champ by the time they make the final. Solid ground work doesn’t require much energy, just an acute awareness of leverage and body position. Lesnar didn’t waste much time or energy securing the pass from half-guard to mount to side control because he had the arm secured and used textbook technique.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Tapping out makes one a quitter? What is this, the Kurt Pellegrino school of thought?
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jul 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like the kind of thing you wouldn’t be likely to say about him within earshot
I don’t think that’s relevant. Mike Tyson’s nuts, Paul Daley’s a cheap shot artist, I’m not saying that within earshot of them either….so what?
(but I don’t think of Carwin as a quitter)
"Yes Gina, I am a Wise Cracker"
I wouldn't call Gabe Rudeger a quitter in earshot either
that doesn’t mean he’s not still a quitter
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
by troy145 on Jul 4, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are right Frosty
He did quit. Its called a tap out. Now we will excuse you to go and romance the other haters, swagger jackers, spirit snipers mclovin each other at www.SHANE-CARWIN-GASSED.com
by HoomanCan on Jul 4, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Technically tapping out is quitting.
Just saying.
by John Nash on Jul 4, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that's what he means
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you trying to troll?
Lesnar weathered a storm like no one has and used his wrestling to escape and submit Carwin. It was a great back and forth fight. What the hell were you watching or drinking?
by cyke on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 13 recs
troll of the night (TOTN) award goes to Snowden?
by Goat choker 1 on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
God forbid Dana White sees this article.
by Ilias on Jul 4, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely Wrong.
Who do you have beating Lesnar at this point? Maybe Overeem due to his striking, but if a Carwinfist™ couldn’t do it, I doubt AO could, either.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 4, 2010 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Overeem would be on his back immediately in that fight.
by Ilias on Jul 4, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Seriously dude ?
“Shane Carwin the biggest heavyweight promotion in MMA history”
Didn"t catch that. Always heard “UFC history”. CC vs Fedor definitely was a bigger fight.
“As soon as Carwin touched him”
Do you know what happened when Carwin “touched” his past opponents dude ?
I was SUPER impressed by Lesnar. And I m faaaaaaaar from a “BROCKLESNAR” fan.
by bawzz on Jul 4, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
UFC or MMA
Either way, how about Mir-Lesnar II?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
this was bigger, may not do
bigger numbers because the card wasn’t as big, but this fight might have sold a million ppv all by itself tonight
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
He was hiitting Brock's arms and Brock was moving
were you watching on a shitty stream?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Moving where?
He turtled up and took a beating. I guess his face was busted like a stuffed pig because of all the arm punches.
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Apart from that Mrs Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?
OK, I’m not going to argue with you because I kind of agree with some of your points. We were a hair’s width from having the fight stopped and Brock being labeled overrated and a fraud.
Now that being said, as long as Brock has the head of Cabbage along with all his other great attributes he’s going to be really hard to stop. This was the Hughes/Trigg of heavyweights and I for one am happy I saw it.
by John Nash on Jul 4, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Great fight
Bad fighting. When did Hughes or Trigg gasp for breath? Was it at the two minute mark?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Big people full of muscles get tired after throwing dozens of punches from the top?
Color me surprised (and unimpressed)
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
In Brock’s defense he didn’t gas. But I’m not going to defend this as an incredible display of talent, because it wasn’t. Well, Carwin displayed some great TD defense and better counter punching from the champ and Brock showed some skill in getting the sub. But what was displayed was an insane amount of ability to resist punishment because Brock get the shit kicked out of him. And we got to see an amazing comeback. This might not have been Fedor/Cro Cop (no Fedor debates OK people) or Frank Shamrock/Tito as far as a showcase of the best talents but it was an incredible show and I think that is what a lot of people are reacting to.
Yeah
Going from half guard to full mount to side control in three seconds is not a display of talent.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
Fightlinker.com
by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
A one-armed arm triangle takes no skill at all
BROCK LOCK
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with...
…subo.
Wait, what?
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Jul 4, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
It’s a hard thing to come to terms with the first time it happens, we’ve all been there. You feel dirty don’t you?
by ufc4 on Jul 4, 2010 1:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think I noted that:
Brock showed some skill in getting the sub
But was it really a great display of overall talent by Brock? he got his ass kicked for one whole round. This fight will be remembered for the pure bizarre spectacle of Brock getting pummeled and then coming back.
That said I also think it shows why Brock should be ranked #1. He showed several things: he has cardio for a man his size; he is very dangerous when on top; he has Wesley Correira’s skull. But there are still questions if he is the best of the new generation of HWs. The good news is we’ll find out soon,
The sub was a huge part of the fight though
Most of the fight was Brock showing off an amazing chin and what an unbelievable athlete he is. Then he showed skill in wrestling and JJ. Carwin on the other hand showed striking skill, freak power, and good TDD.
For a HW fight there was A LOT of talent here and i don’t know what your fucking problem is. This was monumental. This was awesome.
AN UNDENIABLE NOTE: most of the people complaining, especially including you, are noted UFC critics.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
And it's not like only technique is important
Brock showed plenty of it, But he also displayed resilience, heart and athleticism in spades. In EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE fashion he showed these things.
I have to say, if you’re disappointed in this fight, i don’t see how you’re not flat out incorrect. It’s not really a matter of opinion.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
And I was not disappointed. As I noted earlier this is the Hughes/Trigg II of HW. I don’t know how anyone could interpret that as meaning I found the fight boring.
I didn't say you found it boring
I’m attacking the notion that you, or anyone, has a point in trying to detract from the “impressiveness” of this fight.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Please give me an example were I have complained about the UFC fighters. I may complain about Zuffa business practices, but I am a fan of the fights.
And what am I criticizing? That this fight was a spectacle? That it will be remembered not for the skill displayed but the oddity it was? The first round was scored 10-7 by Thomas with Brock getting absolutely destroyed, doing absolutely nothing. The second round Carwin was completely gassed and was taken down and finished. If the fight had been stopped (which seemed very close to happening0 than we would have been writing about how overrated Brock was (which would have been unfair)
But it wasn’t stopped and I said I think this fight shows why Brock deserves the number one ranking. If even when he is destroyed he can’t be stopped, it is going to be hard for anyone to beat him. There are very few fighters like Shane who can match his strenght. Maybe Overeem, but if Brock can’t be KOed than he’ll eventually be taken down and pummelled.
To paraphrase Jefferson: it is not contradictory to believe that Brock didn’t look good and is the number one HW in the world.
"I may complain about Zuffa business practices"
So you’re not exactly pro-UFC, and that was what i meant. Most people angry here, most of the detractors, have ulterior motives. And i think that is a very pertinent point, even if it doesn’t necessarily apply to you. Which i acknowledge; my ire here probably shouldn’t be directed at you, but that’s just what happened in the supercharged melee that is this comments section.
“these things happen in commentating” Gus Johnson might muse.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
But I’m not angry. I am ecstatic. As I wrote in my original comment:
This was the Hughes/Trigg of heavyweights and I for one am happy I saw it.This was one of the most exciting, bizarre, what-the-fuck-just-happened fights I’ve ever seen. Beyond that there’s not much more I can, or should, have to write in my defense.
You’re going to compare the cardio of two welterweights to the two largest fighters in the UFC? This is the single most idiotic thing I have ever read on this site.
What the fuck is the point you are trying to make?
by sadface on Jul 4, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
John Pineete lol
So I hear no screams and I shed no tears , If I'm in your dreams then your end is near...
SLEEP!
by Nightmare_wears_prada on Jul 4, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions
i pulled this from my Deo Wade bag o tricks
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
by rkilla on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Why am I not surprised?
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Velasquez is not going to take a Lesnar fight
Brock is much stronger than Velasquez and can control him. Cain also doesn’t hit that hard. Quit drinking the kool aid.
if the line on cain isn’t -200 or heavier, they’ve got it wrong
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Cain +250 sound right?
You’re the gamblin’ man.
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
that would be nuts. cain is a nightmare matchup for lesnar. a good wrestler who can stay out of trouble, with tight fast boxing. awful matchup for lesnar.
www.tapology.com | twitter @tapology
And no power giving up 40 lbs...
who is in the nightmare here?
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Randy was a bad matchup, Mir was a bad matchup, Carwin was a bad matchup, Cain is a bad matchup, JDS is a bad matchup
If Lesnar runs the gauntlet and finishes his career 15-1 will he be the GOAT based solely on how many times he’s won fights against unfavorable matchups?
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
by Excelsior! on Jul 4, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if cain were +200 i’d be all over that. if cain were -150 i’d be all over that.
that is, if i were a bettin’ man, which i ain’t…
www.tapology.com | twitter @tapology
The lines for Cain may be a little higher than expected after this...
Otherwise I don’t think he will get a lot of action after this fight. Even the majority of Lesnar haters were impressed with the way he survived and rebounded to win this fight. Lesnar will be favored to win and the betters will believe it.
Velasquez is not going to take a Lesnar fight
Brock is much stronger than Velasquez and can control him. Cain also doesn’t hit that hard. Quit drinking the kool aid.
Its already a done deal
Say what you want, its meaningless until it happens
Just don’t bet your 401K on it
If he gets hit by Cain Velasquez, one thing is for certain. We know Cain won’t falter, will never quit that prematurely. This is a winnable fight for Cain Velasquez and one I’m looking forward to very much.
Come on buddy. Cain’s striking looked crisp in his last two fights against a slow and plodding Rothwell and Big Nog. How is he he going to stop the shot of a guy with a significant strength and a 30 lbs weight advantage and equally if not better wrestling credentials?
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Yes he is. Collegiate-wise, MMA-wise. Superior.
Randy stuffed Brock’s shot, Carwin did it (twice IIRC). Cain is stuffing it all day long.
No, sorry, he's not.
Brock has a far more impressive collegiate pedigree, the NCAA runner up his junior year, and champion his senior year.
Randy does too. And arguably Carwin.
Nope. Cain wrestled in a far more competitive year than Brock. Brock’s senior year was horrible, whereas Cain was up against the likes of Konrad and Mocco and was extremely competitive with them.
Sounds like a moral victory to me
I will take the title any day of the week, as I’m sure Cain (or any real competitor) would. Down year or not.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
You're wrong...
Brock held his own with Stephen Neal, losing 3-2 in the NCAA finals his junior year, before winning his senior year.
You can say Cain “held his own” against Mocco and Conrad, I would say he was outclassed. I know what Mocco and Conrad have done, but to question Brock’s competition is ridiculous. Stephen Neal was world class, and Lesnar put up a lot more of a fight than Cain did against Mocco or Conrad.
Yes. Outclassed is the first word that comes to mind when I think of the criteria decision Konrad (with a ‘k’) won over Valasquez after tying 2-2.
Dolt.
by David Castillo on Jul 4, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
what?
div 1 champ> junior college camp
brock>cain
I really do think Cain can stuff Brock’s takedowns. When Cain lost to Mocco and Konrad they beat him on riding time in OT. He was never just straight up double legged to hell and outclassed.
If Brock wrestled during the same period as Cain did I highly doubt he would have won a national title.
I was impressed with Brock’s chin, heart, and submission grappling game tonight but I think Velasquez is a good bit ahead of him in just about every area of MMA.
People act like Cain is going to get thrown around by Brock but I think he’s plenty strong enough and has good enough wrestling to make Brock work very hard.
Cain is a better striker, I imagine he’ll have much better cardio, and Cain does his best work dirty boxing from the clinch. I like Cain big but I can’t wait to see the fight.
i believe Konrad’s wrestling style won’t translate well to MMA. he’s very sumo-ish. in pure wrestling, its damn near impossible to take him down, but he doesn’t really have explosive offense, in college simply nobody but Mocco could even move the guy an inch. i think he’ll have trouble being a great MMA takedown artist
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Jul 4, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
but I think Velasquez is a good bit ahead of him in just about every area of MMA
Even if this is true (I don’t agree at all) since when is Brock’s strength his MMA ability?
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Brock’s strength is wrestling, he’s clearly becoming a nightmare from top position as well. If he can score takedowns and keep top position on Velasquez it’s Brock’s fight.
However, Cain is a highly underrated wrestler. I think him and Brock match up very close in wrestling ability. I think Brock is going to have a lot of trouble taking him down and keeping him down even if he get’s on top.
Cain has certainly shown a more well rounded skill set. Good technical striking, fantastic clinch work, smothering top control ( if he get’s a TD), and more than anything he fights a hectic pace that will push the hell out of Brock’s cardio.
I think Brock has a chance, but I for one will be putting a big bet down on Cain Velasquez when he comes out as a underdog.
I’m not trying to hate on Brock, I think he’s very impressive, but I really believe Cain Velasquez is the uncrowned best heavyweight in MMA.
Brock's strength is the same thing it was in college
the dude is a freak athlete. Incredibly quick, HUUGE, and explosive. He obviously has a good chin as well. And his gas tank is OK for someone his size too (though Cain obviously has a better one).
Not saying that Brock doesn’t have any technical skills. Just that Cain can be a better technical wrestler (and striker for that matter) and still lose.
Note – I don’t know who will win b/w them, I’m just pointing out that technique doesn’t always beat big differentials in size and athleticism.
The only reason Carwin stuffed the shot
was because he was throwing powerful uppercuts on the way in that were seriously hurting Brock’s forward momentum. Carwin wasn’t even really sprawling. It was the power in his punches that were interrupting the shots.
Wow... um...
Is there a “bury” option?
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
by rkilla on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/4/1551658/brocklesnarrrr
You see this? Nah nah nah nah nah.
Just can’t accept Brock Lesnar as your heavyweight champ? No rush, you’ll have a few years for it to sink in.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Of course he is the heavyweight champion
Great tools and athleticism.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
I wrote a better article than you.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 21 recs
Not exactly comparable to Tyson at his peak,the original ‘Baddest Man……’
It was OK but i wasn’t overly impressed with either to be honest.Too much lay and pray gets boring.
Ok
yes i was impressed with the sub and the fight was exciting in general but i think Lesnar’s standup is very amateur looking and his fights tend to take a one dimensional path;tackle to the mat,smother,then g+p,or in this case submission.
To be fair to the guy the submission part does show that he is learning.
Thank god I’m nit the only one that thinks this article is trollish
Great fight
by yin hsiung on Jul 4, 2010 1:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Because Fedor's being the #1 fighter in the world
was NEVER based on fighting through adversity ande coming back to win, right? Incredibly stupid article. You know what GSP does in that EXACT same situation? He taps.
by Trysdor on Jul 4, 2010 1:28 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
WHAT ???
Lesnar is scared to stand ?? Well yeah ! He nearly got his head taken off by Carwins uppercut. Before that Lesnar was engaging Carwin in the stand up but everyone knew Lesnar’s game plan was to take this fight to the ground. That is where he is most comfortable. IF Lesnar is scared to stand then, GSP must be too because the do the same fucking thing.
"I was not impressed by your performance"
by wiggie on Jul 4, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
LMFAO
LUKE THOMAS REACTION TO THIS ON THE LIVE STREAM WAS EPIC
"I drop knowledge so heavy it leaves the world unbalanced, Exterminate the spiritual force of all that challenge, I'm the lyrical apocalypse that crumbles the granite, Replacing you as the dominant species on the planet" - Immortal Technique
by rkilla on Jul 4, 2010 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Snowden
Luke and Fagen are laughing at you. Like the rest of us are.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
by Goonisis on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
i kinda feel that people are piling on you
but for giving us that biased drivel of a pouty article especially from a writer of your stature….well it was awful
by justizzer on Jul 4, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
We have something in common
Your not impressed by the fight and myself and many others aren’t impressed with this horrible write up. Scared ? Coward? Not impressed? What fight did you watch?
by Bloodsport on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I can see your points
but I think you’re being a little overly harsh. What we saw tonight was definitely two fighters who have some rounding out of their games to do. Lesnar is going to have to learn to take a punch and not freak out. Carwin needs to get some real cardio, and apparently has no bottom ground defense, but it was an incredible match, and I don’t agree that Cain is going to have an easy time with Lesnar.
ORLY?
Someone is STILL mad that Brock Lesnar is the champion. Love him or Hate Him, that man showed HEART tonight. Is he the best in the world!? Who knows and who cares,r eally? It’s all SUBJECTIVE! But to take away from EITHER of those men in that fight is just insane.
by 2winis2lose on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 4, 2010 1:30 AM EDT reply actions 15 recs
Stop recing this!!
Sturdy chins
Come from behind victories
Varied ground games
and
the first submission victory of your career
are not impressive…
Lesnar getting better makes him worse…
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I wrote a fanpost too
It’s titled, “JonathanSnowden Failed to Impress as a Troll.”
Por isso eu tomo ópio / é um remédio / sou um convalescente do momento / moro no rés-do-chão do pensamento / e ver passar a vida faz-me tédio
by Gremio on Jul 4, 2010 1:31 AM EDT reply actions 12 recs
ok snowden i was heated
here we go again, i highly disagree with this extremely trollish piece
the zuffa hate is absurd here, brock is the best, carwin is the 2nd best
can any other heavyweight weather that attack?, and can any other heavyweight give that attack?
no and no brocks chin and heart are absurd and carwins gnp and power are ridiculous
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
by milk72 on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
SNOWDEN.....
I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A CHANCE…
BUT SCOFFING AT A GREAT FIGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE BEST, YES THEE BEST EVENT OF THE YEAR…IS A JOKE! YOU SEEM LIKE A CURMUDGEON. A LONELY UNHAPPY PERSON. NOT TO BE AN ASS, BUT WHY GO FOR A NEGATIVE ANGLE ON SUCH A WONDERFUL NIGHT FOR MMA!!!!!!
I MEAN I GOT AN ESPN BREAKING NEWS UPDATE TEXT ON MY PHONE FOR THIS….THATS BIG!!
YOU MUST THINK TAKING A STANCE LIKE THIS WILL MAKE FOR MORE READERS, HOWEVER YOU WILL DIE OUT LIKE A FICKLE FLAME.
EMBRACE OUR SPORT AND SHOW LOVE….OR BE OUSTED BY US ALL FOR YOUR NEGATIVITY
by ADAMantium on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
How many people were drunk/angry enough last night to rec this?
The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.
Nice. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
Since everyone seems to be quoting rap songs, here's a gem...
"Anywhere you go,
I'm gonna find you
Every time you flow,
I'll be right behind you
Just to let you know
And constantly remind you,
You can never be as dope as I am. God damn."
by RearNakedChoker on Jul 4, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Cyborg vs Finney.
So you are wrong Mr Snowden
by Riney on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
IDK man
I normally love your articles Snowden, but I cannot see where you are coming from.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
by KingAtRock on Jul 4, 2010 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Jonathan Snowden.
You are a very nice addition to Bloody Elbow and this post illustrates exactly why.
That said, I disagree on multiple fronts.
1. Still not sold on Cain’s power. It’s certainly not anywhere near Carwin’s. I’m starting to come around on the train of thought that Big Nog’s chin really is shot. So, Cain still has to show me that he’s got top quality finishing power and he’’s certainly not going to out-wrestle Brock.
2. Lesnar showed a shit-ton of heart tonight. He was in about as much trouble as a fighter could possibly be in without having a fight stopped.
I specializes in grammar fail.
I can just imagine Snowden in his basement writting this with tears down his face while clutching a Fedor poster and the Wamma belt upside down.
You know what buddy, it’s going to be ok there is a new HW king his name is Brock Lesnar and denying him will only cause you more pain.
Come to the light Jonathan and all of your horribly written articles and blatantly wrong reporting will be forgiven, but only if you reject these false Pride idols and accept the one true HW king.of the World Brock Lesnar.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
by Nightwhistler on Jul 4, 2010 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 34 recs
rec'ing the shit outta this
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I'm glad to see Snowden shares my opinion....
regarding that the fight should have been stopped. I thought it should have been stopped too in the first round. However, Carwin blew his load and he has to fault himself for that and his cardio. If he addresses that, I think a rematch could go very different
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Exactly
I think all the nuthuggers accusing people who disagree with them about Lesnar being Christ, being losing betters, are just wasted from drinking all day at their friends house.
Carwin was punching Lesnar in the arms.
There are a couple times I thought it was close to a stoppage, but Lesnar moved every time. I applaud the ref here.
There was twice when he was just covering up and not doing anything and it could have been stopped. But I say again, Carwin should needs to address the issue of blowing everything he had with those punches and needs to work on the cardio. Had Shane not been completely gassed, he takes that fight IMO. He showed good takedown defense in the first and was clearly the better striker. I don’t want to take anything away from Brock at all, because in the second round he took advantage of that.
I’d love a rematch, which I have no doubts there will be one.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
by Noah'sArk on Jul 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The real question is...
How much did Snowden bet on Carwin to trigger this immediate angry response?
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
by Day Man on Jul 4, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Everyone calm down.
I dont agree with him either but you would thing Snowden just ate a fetus or something.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
by KingAtRock on Jul 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
mobile rec
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ill get it for you.
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks brah
MostFistbumpableBro?
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
NIce dude. I like it.
Stallar.com take a gander!
by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
So I shouldn’t eat a fetus?
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
Guess not.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
He did
One that was way past the point of an abortion.
sounds ripe
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
Take it easy guys
I think Snowden is crazy here, but it’s just a disagreement.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
by Goonisis on Jul 4, 2010 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
youre missing an interest point to debate
Brock defeated Carwin via superior athleticism.
I think Cain is a better athlete than Brock.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Have to disagree
Cain is a better athlete.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
by KingAtRock on Jul 4, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dont even have to mention cardio
Look at how Cain has taken to striking
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 1:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He has also had a great deal more time. He’s been training over two years longer than Brock.
Brock can run a 4.65 40, can jump higher, can lift more, etc, which to me, shows that he is a better athlete.
Being good at striking isn’t all about athleticism, it is more about eye-hand coordination. Sometimes, those things go hand in hand like with baseball players like Ken Griffey Jr, who are both incredible athletes and have amazing coordination which makes them great hitters. However, as we can see with guys like Cecil Fielder or Frank Thomas, having great eye-hand coordination does not always equate with athletic ability.
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I think Cains MMA skillset and rapid improvment is far better than Lesnars
And that is what will count here
Good thing theyre not being drafted then
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also, as an aside, the combine is bullshit.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cain’s striking look awesome against really really slow and plodding strikers like Rothwell and Big Nog. You’re crazy if you don’t think Lesnar smashes them standing just as easily.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Well, aside from Cain, dos Santos, Fedor and Overeem, pretty much everyone at HW is a slow and plodding striker
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 3:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you are so far off here
he weathered the storm of what could easily be classified as the most dangerous striker in MMA today, while taking a clean full strength lined up uppercut straight to the chin. I will honestly say I didn’t have this much faith in Brocks chin but damn it stood up. Brock won though because of impeccable wrestling skills followed up by a very tight mount and arm triangle that would make any jiu jitsu teacher happy, oh and yeah he is ten times the athlete that Cain is, don’t mistake skinnier for more athletic
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
hyperbole much?
Cain has essentially pulled a reverse GSP, coming in with stellar wrestling and developing superior striking.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
superior to what?
you or me? maybe! He knocked out Nog and now everybody thinks he is Mike Tyson, he is not, maybe most of y’all are forgetting the fight before where he had Rothwell pinned against the cage hit him in the face probably 20 times and Rothwell was fine. Even Joe commented after that fight that it was stopped to early and Rothwell wasn’t hurt at all
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Rothwell got hit in the face a bunch against Yvel as well. Dude’s durability is underrated.
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I actually think
Cain and Brock are very similar fighters, and athletes. I just see Cain as a little slower and not as strong. you might even give Cain an edge in “technical” boxing but I don’t think he hits as hard as BROCKLESNAR and I don’t think he can hold him down to GnP him
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think
Your dreaming. But I hope you still are when the fight is here and bet all your money on Lesnar.
Have you been watching Cain fight for the last two fucking years? First we heard of him he was just known as a wrestler but came out throwing wicked leg kicks and a barrage of knees in the clinch. Did you see those sexy combos he threw at 110? come the fuck on!
I bet you gave Brock just as much shit for not finishing Heath Herring, oh wait, I doubt it.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 3:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Now that is hilarious
Even Joe commented after that fight that it was stopped to early and Rothwell wasn’t hurt at all
1st to suggest that something Joe said makes him an immense authority and 2nd to suggest that Rothwell had any chance in that fight besides looking like a drunk that came in off the street against Cain. You sir, truly made me LOL
hyperbole much?
Cain has essentially pulled a reverse GSP, coming in with stellar wrestling and developing superior striking (from what we’ve seen)
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think both of these guys would truck Werdum
I mean, I think the argument poses the idea that there’s tougher competition out there than Brock and Carwin and therefore the holes they both showed are a problem. And that’s only half true. I think they have room to improve, but they’re still pretty easily #1 and #2 in the div.
by LBo on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I think they kill Werdum too...
…or Fedor. Although I hate Brock, I would have picked him in a fight with Fedor since he beat Mir
Let's see we get an entertaining fight...
with 2 behemoths that was almost stopped via ground and pound and then stopped due to submission…and we get easily the best card top-to-bottom of the year and the response is to bitch about the Main Event? Who do you really hate here?
And though I was 100% pulling for Carwin, Brock was impressive. He was in serious trouble, weathered the storm, and won the fight. Isn’t that what makes MMA great? Isn’t that what “champions” are supposed to do? Yes, you could argue that the fight should’ve been stopped in round1 (I said so at the time to the people I was watching it with) BUT your article reeks of anger and smells like sour grapes to me.
by kalmavet on Jul 4, 2010 1:38 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Brock is the superheavyweight Matt Hughes
He faced his worst possible matchup and finished him. He answered every question there was about his chin and competitiveness.
If he isn’t the best heavyweight in the world, who is?
Brock took a big step to answering that question
but i don’t think we’ll have a final answer until the Lesnar-Cain-JDS triangle is settled
He is the Champion
But I think Cain is the best Heavyweight now. At least until someone beats him.
Pretty sure you guys are missing the point
Snowden isn’t saying the fight wasn’t entertaining, just that it was very sloppy. Which it was. Carwin burnt out and Lesnar wasn’t incredibly impressive/the world beater he’s made out to be.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 4, 2010 1:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is correct. although in true snowden fashion, he finds a way to get everyone fired up :)
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by Riney on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I guess we’ve grown to expect intellectual honesty, not trolling.
by jrobb20 on Jul 4, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
That is as honest as it gets. It was an entertaining fight that left Lesnar with a lot of questions to answer about his gameplan, his standup, and makes his next defense super compelling.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
it looks like someone trying too hard to be the cool kid and poop on something that was really incredible. it looks like you writing something “against the grain” just for the sake of doing that. it’s not intellectually honest. it’s horseshit. and people are calling you out on it.
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by bobthewriter on Jul 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
I'm pretty sure he's giving an honest pbp of the fight
Moreso than Luke’s in the PBP post. Did Lesnar cower against the cage after getting hit? Yep. Was he given more time to defend himself than others in a nontitle fight? Yep. Was Carwin gassed out after throwing all those punches? Yep. Did they start losing steam in the middle of the round? Yep. Was that a really sloppy double leg? YES!
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 4, 2010 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Had your article been written with the same tone as this post
then people wouldn’t be so up in arms against it. However, there was a strong undercurrent of trolling that we all picked up on. You knew exactly the type of response you’d get with this post and its snarky tone. It’s engendered a pretty passionate discussion. If that’s what you were going for, more power to you. You’ve succeeded.
This statement – “That is as honest as it gets. It was an entertaining fight that left Lesnar with a lot of questions to answer about his gameplan, his standup, and makes his next defense super compelling.” was more on point than anything in the piece itself.
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that they completely agree with you?
good god, people are calling for Snowden’s head like Charles II
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 1:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I used to expect more from BE
Then I realized it’s a bunch of bloggers, not journalists.
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by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for sharing.
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How was it a sloppy fight, most of the first round was Carwin pounding on Lesnar. Lesnar was hurt but worked enough to survive. Carwin wasn’t blowing his energy doing nothing. He had Brock hurt bad and was in excellent position to finish the fight, at lot of fighters would have burned a lot of energy in the same position. I question whether Carwin should have had brock stand up, but other than that it was solid ground in pound by Carwin.
The second round was stand offish at first and then Brock took the fight down with a solid double leg, and then worked his way to half guard. From there Lesnar pushed down Carwins knee to move to Mount and then immediately sunk in a arm triangle and moved to side control. The fight was finished like 20 seconds later. Where was the slop?
by Dropkick434 on Jul 4, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sloppy may be the wrong word. What I’m saying is that Snowden isn’t saying anything we didn’t see. Brock got hit in the face and ducked away then went to the ground and was given ample opportunity to defend himself that in a normal fight isn’t given. If that’s because it’s a title fight or not, you still can’t deny this is the norm. Carwin came out in the 2nd completely gassed (Joe and Mike said this as well) and that double was extremely slow. A guy like Cain who has a reputation as having a limitless gastank will eat you up if you try this. And as stated above, while Brock has a NCAA championship, he competed in an easier year…Cain’s pedigree is much better.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem with the whole "Brock got scared"
Is that we have no idea how hard that uppercut was and how much damage it did. But based on past information about Shane Carwin, it would have probably been enough to lay out most heavyweights all by itself.
by Trysdor on Jul 4, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Coward =/= scared
He doesn’t like getting hit and fell to the ground. That happened.
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Wow, i didn’t know Cain had anything to do with this convo. You clearly stated “very sloppy” and now, by sloppy you mean bad reffing. I think it was very good reffing considering Brock was defending himself and eventually stood up at the end of the round. Carwin did blow too much energy in the first round, but its not like we haven’t seen people punch themselves out before trying to finish a fight. It was a gamble that seemed great at the time for Carwin and it didn’t work out.
If you read what Snowden wrote
He mentions Cain at the end. I like you and actually like your comments but come on, it’s right there. Intelligently defending your self doesn’t mean hold my hands in front my my face and not do anything. And no, I don’t mean sloppy now means bad reffing, I mean that Carwin was gassed after minute 3 and Brock’s TD attempts were very lethargic. If that was someone who trained for a 5 round fight, then they both should be embarrassed.
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Jesus...
Brock was moving. He kicked Carwin away, twice. At that point if he’s still dazed then let him up and start to try to KO him because he defended everything he had on the ground.
If that was someone who trained for a 5 round fight, then they both should be embarrassed.
Because I’m sure you’re twice the athlete that they both are…
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by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
When someone criticizes a professional athlete's conditioning
the person unable to formulate a proper argument will retort with a “I’m sure you’re twice the athlete they are”, which by the way is essentially saying “I know you are but what am I?” Now, if you have any sort of reading comprehension which at this point I’m doubting, you would see that my point is that in any other fight, the most recent being Rory McDonald/Carlos Condit, the ref will stop the fight if one of the fighters is in the fetal position. I don’t know if Rosenthal gave more time because it was a title fight or because Brock is the champ, but the reffing last night was not an example of the norm.
And if you do follow college wrestling in the slightest instead of “college football is my favorite”, which by the way is a sentence fragment, but he a dude with a blowout and popped collar can’t worry about that. He has more important things to do like get his swell on. But I digress, if you did follow college wrestling, you would know that when Lesnar won his title in 2000, it was a relatively easier year than when Cain competed. At no point did I start “sucking on Cain’s testicles” as you so eloquently put it, I was merely saying that Cain won’t gas out after one round, nor will he be taken down by a ridiculously slow double attempt which led to the fight ending.
Now if you ever decide to resolve your reading comprehension problems, I’m here to help, but don’t try and cast stones about “and out comes Mr. I’m Respected over at BE” when you look like a walking Staten Island cliche.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 4, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not saying it’s a good or bad thing, just that under normal circumstances and anyone not named Brock Lesnar, that fight is stopped. I’d prefer consistency in the sport.
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I don’t know how you can know that the fact that it was Lesnar has anything to do with it.
For myself, I though this was how reffing should be. Brock was taking a beating, but wasn’t out, and was working from his back. So I thought the reffing was just about perfect.
I want consistency in reffing, but I’d like to see the quality of reffing rise a lot first.
We'll agree to disagree then
The overall point is that last night Brock looked incredibly vulnerable and coming out of the event, I’d lay serious scratch on Cain or JDS because I think both have way to win without being gassed after 3 minutes.
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I can't wait
to make even more money betting on Brock Lesnar.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be there to talk shit and sig bet you the entire way
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I can't imagine losing you at this point
So I’ve resigned myself to that inevitability.
On the other hand, it has been over a year since a won a sig bet, and if it can’t be Ubernoober that I embarrass, I’m glad it can be you.
In fact, I’m leaning toward Big Country Breakfast in that fight…
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll take that as a compliment of your respect for my controversy skills
But get on it while you can, I’ll be gone for 4 years with military service.
JDS, TKO, Round 2.
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As for the JDS and Cain, particularly Cain, I think they have a great shot to beat Brock – Brock is after all, extremely raw even now. Will Brock continue improving at his current rate, is the key question here, to my mind.
But at this moment in time, Brock is my #1 – even if others might be favored over him. Brock has accomplished more (as of now) than any other HW currently in the UFC.
Watch the fight again. Brock was always moving, even when eating those shots. there were a couple times brock stalled for 2 or 3 seconds, but then he would turn away or try to grab carwins wrist. He even kicked off Carwin a couple times. He wasn’t just in a fetal position eating punches. If you can’t see that then I don’t know what else to say. It was excellent reffing for a championship fight.
and out comes Mr. I'm Respected over at BE...
sucking on Cain’s testicles. Not giving Lesnar props.
I’m far from a Brock fan, and I’m not sure if it’s not the entire night of fights that has me all amped up, but this article was shit. That’s why everyone is butthurt. Then all the people butthurt about Fedor losing have to start hating on the Pro Wrestler.
And as stated above, while Brock has a NCAA championship, he competed in an easier year…Cain’s pedigree is much better.
Easier year… Just shut the fuck up.
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by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
what about Brock's fight was sloppy?
is getting hit in the face considered sloppy now? Yeah Brock might have gotten out boxed and “caught” but his ground defense, takedowns, and clinch game was pretty solid
by blueballlefty on Jul 4, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The incredibly lethargic takedown at the end?
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Lethargic? We get gifs of Carwin’s ugly flurry that put Brock down, but can we get this “lethargic” take down gif’ed and in here? How about that close up of Carwin’s face turning purple, then tapping out. That would fit nicely in here too.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions
So that was a strong takedown? Maybe I saw something differently
I’ll tell you in 10 minutes when the replay shows the fight again.
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Well I’m not gonna sit here and bullshit you, I need to see it again, but I thought it was 10x better than what Lesnar attempted while rocked.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if you're concerned about #'s....
then you are delusional!
this may get close to but not beat ufc 100 but it could very well overtake 100 as well.
by ADAMantium on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Reality is
Darwin didn’t finish and Lesnar did. If it were Fedor doing the exact same things you’d be extolling his virtues.
by jrobb20 on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
darwinism definitely at play in all of this. i like it.
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by GregS123 on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Survival of the fittest, baby.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
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If only this could get greener somehow.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
dude
As a Lurker and an absolute Lesnar HATER I was even impressed…….dude Snowden I usually like ur stuff but man i’m doubting u as a staff writer for this. I despise Lesnar and I am forced to eat crow in front of a room filled with Minnesotans and even I have to say BROCKLESNAR!! I even wrote a very shitty anti-Lesnar Fanpost in my early days as a BE member and I still think the article sucks
by despisedIcon856 on Jul 4, 2010 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You can be SAVED!!! All you have to do is accept BROCKLESNARRR!!!!! as your personal heavyweight champion and all your hating will be forgiven.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jul 4, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I still hate Lesnar but respect him, could u live with that?…..Although humble Lesnar is impressive, but to embrace Lesnar I would mean I have to let go of Fedor’s nut’s and it seems like a long drop.
by despisedIcon856 on Jul 4, 2010 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 4, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Great article, Jonathon.
Despite the entertainment factor, the fight was a sloppy endeavor that exposed both Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar more than it liberated them as the greatest HWs in the world. Some people are taking your criticism a bit too personally it seems, which is a shame because you certainly bring up some valid points.
I, for one, believe that this “era of the skilled giant” is nothing more than a phase. Lesnar and Carwin, at best, are averagely skilled competitors who rely on their size more than anything to win them their fights. They will be further exposed against more athletic and more technical fighters like Cain Velasquez in the future.
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by MilesHackett on Jul 4, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Lesnar is smashing Cain
Only guy who might catch Brock at this point is Overeem or Carwin in a rematch.
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the only relatively agile guy that lesnar has faced was a 45 year old couture. a guy who, despite all the hype, is fairly limited at this age. and lesnar couldn’t take him down.
if brock could get in top position he would likely win, but it won’t happen. velasquez will crush lesnar standing.
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He did take him down
He took him down multiple times. And his control has greatly, greatly improved from that fight on the ground. It was what? 18 months of training ago?
by Trysdor on Jul 4, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lesnar took couture down once, in the first round, after like 2 minutes of clinch game. randy got back up and was pulled down again in one sequence. call that a takedown if you really want to.
otherwise randy stuffed everything. and again…. 45 year old, 225 pounder.
cain is a bad matchup for lesnar.
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Yet who has ever taken Couture down consistently?
Vera, a former Olympic level Greco-Wrestler, couldn’t. Big Nog had to sweep from bottom. Randy is a technical collegiate and Greco-wrestling wet dream with textbook TD defense. There are few mma fighters on the planet that could consistently take him down with a shot.
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this is the biggest FAIL I've ever seen on BE
Worse than Kid Nate’s “The UFC is in twubble!” post a while back before UFC 111.
by fozo on Jul 4, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Was that the one right
before the string of huge PPVs?
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by Polyhedron on Jul 4, 2010 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The more i think about this
The more it all sinks in, the fight, this article, everything. It all starts to seem even more ridiculous, hard is that may be to imagine.
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by Damon O. on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And by hundreds, I mean 10.
Guillotine.
by iiowyn on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll probably change my mind when I'm a bit sober.
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Wow
I thought the title of the article was an attempt at sarcasm. There’s no way you can discredit Brock’s win here. I’m at a loss for words.
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by Dr. Octagon on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Lesnar doesn’t like to get hit…. by the hardest puncher in MMA. Amazing. The fact is, whether he liked getting punched by him or not, unlike every guy who faced Carwin before him, he didn’t get knocked out or submitted. He took the the hardest punches in MMA, got ground and pounded nearly to a stoppage, got back to his feet, kept his cool after losing a 10-8 round, and then managed to come back and win with a D’Arce choke. How the hell is that not impressive?
by Chromium on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Except for being factually incorrect…
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Please elaborate as to what exactly is incorrect.
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Well, Stephan Bonnar seems to enjoy it for whatever reason.
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If he fought Carwin I don’t think he’d have time to enjoy getting hit before being put to sleep.
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by s.r.genovese on Jul 4, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Oh so he called an arm triangle a D’Arce…come off it. lol
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I admit I confused an Arm Triangle with a D’Arce Choke. I take it your non-response to the rest of it was a retraction to calling Lesnar vs. Carwin unexciting? Or do you care to elaborate on how confusing two submissions invalidates my argument?
What I wrote in the article...
I saw a wildly entertaining fight
I never called the fight unexciting. So why would I need to defend that?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 3:33 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad, how was it “unimpressive” then, as stated in my original comment? Responding to something as petty as my confusing two chokes without responding to my question of how you found Brock’s come-from-behind victory after a barrage that would have finished anyone else in MMA unimpressive makes me wonder if you aren’t retracting your original editorial on the matter.
When I find things to be entertaining...
I always go out of my way to shit on them as fast as possible in a public setting. :)
by truck on Jul 4, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
WOW Snowden !
stop drinking that Hatorade .. I dont know if u bet ur life savings on Carwin or what but thats the most crybaby , im taking my ball and going home … sounding article I ever read in my life .
only unimpressive thing today was ur writting skills
so then Dad goes and turns the knife on her .. then he turns to me and sez ........................................... Why so Serious ??
by RearNakedBloke on Jul 4, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Huh?
He shat on both guys. The fight was wildly entertaining to watch but people acting like it was this great display of technique are delusional.
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin is going to have some problems if he can only fight one round. He’s the better athlete though right?
ya know – I did think Carwin looked the better athlete. His punches and movement look more fluid.
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Better boxer
He’s definitely not a better athlete. Hospital for hyperventilation after 6 mins of fighting? Sorry but thats not championship material. GSP works out after 5 rounds lol.
Better Boxer, yes. He also showed very good TDD in the first. Better Cardio, apparently not. Carwin completely blew his load and that’s something he needs to work on.
However, I don’t think you should be saying anything bad about Carwin going to the hospital. The guy lost the most important fight of his life and I’m sure he realized the mistake he mad in a fight he probably thought he had won during the first. He very well could have been upset enough backstage that those around him felt he needed to go.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I disagree with the article too but damn...
if rage was an energy resource we could power the entire world solely on the comment section.
Rosenthal was good to not stop the fight the way he did. I honestly believe that more MMA fights should be officiated to that standard. It should take more than a furry landing on someone’s arms to stop a fight.
Personally I believe that Cain can outwork Brock provided he doesn’t stay under him for long amounts of time.
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
by Tonley on Jul 4, 2010 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My mind keeps telling me nooooo
but my body…. my body…. is telling me….
actually neither agree with this one… at all
Chris Leben is my hero
by II SMASH II on Jul 4, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Jesus
You really called down the thunder Snowden. Posts like this right after shows, you’re gonna get A LOT of hate. Why do I have a feeling you knew this…
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Probably gets paid based on number of page views.
by jrobb20 on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I believe the medical term for his condition is agorairacirclejerkaphilia
by Goat choker 1 on Jul 4, 2010 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
correction, it's AUTOagorairacirclejerkaphilia.
The good thing about being an armchair psychiatrist is that I can’t be sued for mis-diagnosis.
by Goat choker 1 on Jul 4, 2010 7:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Even though I disagree with Snowden on this one...
there’s something funny about watching comments full of rage post in real time…
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
I disagree with some of it too
but the personal attacks have me lol-ing. people are offended ???
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Offended
If anyone is offended I would think it would be because of the true lack of objectiveness in the article. It is obviously a hateful article to any unbiased reader. While I am not offended, I am not at all interested in reading any more of it.
Lack of objectivity?
It’s an opinion piece. And don’t be so sanctimonious, no one with a functioning brain is unbiased
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jul 4, 2010 2:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Wow Snowden, this was a pretty horrible write up.
Hmm, Lesnar doesn’t like to get hit by a 265 lb KO machine…how weird lol.
Um, yes, one thing may wanted to see with Lesnar was how he handled some good damage and we saw that not only could he not just go completely out after a good hit, but he did possess a survival mode to keep working.
I also think we saw some pretty good evolution in his ground game seeing him work quickly toward that sub instead of any GnP.
Are these guys perfect fighters…well since no one is perfect, no. But is Brock the #1 HW in the world? Yes.
I don’t know what else to say to this article really. It’s just not very well thought out.
by JeremyShane on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
You have the worst articles, I just don’t understand. How are you even allowed to write articles here? You make Brock Lesnar seem like he has absolutely no skill and you raise Cain as some type of savior. The thing is, Lesnar is the champion and he survived an ass whooping and won via submission ( who would have thought that). Get over it.
by JayW on Jul 4, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Its sad when a staff member goes this far...
to troll one of the site members.
I’m betting Logic is too busy to take the bait.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
by Razreshat on Jul 4, 2010 2:00 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Very few people predicted Lesnar via Submission.
That alone made this fight very impressive and shows lesnar’s evolving skill after near-death and being off for a full year.
by AHutch on Jul 4, 2010 2:01 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
You know Mr. Snowden, Anderson Silva wanted no part of Leites or Maia on the ground. Some would say that he never fully showcased his tools on those occasions. Yet, to disregard his skills because of the difficulties they presented would be crazy. Lesnar was getting worked standing, and Carwin’s cardio played a large role in his take down, but i disagree strongly with your assessment of either of these gentlemen’s skills.
by castleeb on Jul 4, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Zuffa Hate
Snowden is about to tag-tam in Kid Nate… Nate will likely back-up back up this ridiculous alternate reality and then the BE hater punches will get lighter and lighter…
by Stevefiji on Jul 4, 2010 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
The only ridiculous alternate reality
Is the one some readers have apparently created where that fight wasn’t sloppy, where Carwin didn’t gas, and Lesnar didn’t tap out an immobile and exhausted opponent. Entertaining fight, but not one that made you think either guy was a great fighter.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 4, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I still think the guys are great fighters but need to work on their cardio. Carwin especially does and he needs to learn not to keep blowing everything if he sees the ref isn’t stopping the fight. I actually felt Carwin displayed the better skillset in the fight, but his gassing cost him big.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Walking the plank...
When the US and the Allied Forces beat a gassed out Hitler, I guess that wasn’t impressive either. I used to go to Five Ounces of Pain, til the anti-Zuffa leader used his editor post as a springboard to the M-1 payroll. That’ll get him a lot of career movement now. I haven’t visited that site since those days (or maybe i was banned???? :-)
Doesn’t seem to warm today even in the BE maternal embryonic fluids…
by Stevefiji on Jul 4, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on over...
to the CagePotato Forum, not the front page where comments are driveled out by morons, The Forum. We have cookies, insightful conversation, and all our cards are on the table. We may have bias and our fair share of nut-huggers, but dammit, we’re not BLOGGERS pretending to be JOURNALISTS.
"Death, so called, is a thing which makes men weep, And yet a third of life is passed in sleep."
- Lord Byron
by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I saw a fight where Lesnar survived a “sloppy” onslaught that would have knocked out any other fighter on the planet, and still won, which makes me wonder who you are impressed by. I take it no one in the Heavyweight Division?
by Chromium on Jul 4, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kid Nate isn't a Zuffa hater,
about all you can say is that Nate (a) sometimes has slightly inflammatory headlines, (b) Nate doesn’t like some of Zuffa’s business practices, and © Nate may not care much for Dana personally.
I disagree with him on (b) – a lot of folks (including some other staff members, I think) do, but Nate is definitely not a “hater.”
/end rant.
Dude, I don't know what fight you were watching,
but Brock impressed me. Okay, so it wasn’t like watching GSP vs Penn in the cage in terms of pure MMA ability, but Brock shows a tonne of heart, he showed he had other skills than wrestling, and he showed he was a tough S.O.B. That was impressive. That being said, Cain still beats him. I’m sure of it.
Iv never seen so much shit talking toward a writer on here....
Then again, this was the dumbest article iv seen in a while…
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
by mma is #1 on Jul 4, 2010 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 8 recs
REC'D
"Death, so called, is a thing which makes men weep, And yet a third of life is passed in sleep."
- Lord Byron
by MyFightWiffaCheeto on Jul 4, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Pissed Brock won.
But I can wait for the Rematch we all know is going to happen
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)
Attention: BREAKING NEWS
Snowden, my buddy fishlips, the one dude that agreed with this story and me- all ate pot brownies tonight. He’s says he’s really sorry, because half way through his rant the high kicked in and he asked us to take over because he had to go play Lego in his bedroom.
Were all really sorry, we are brand new to the sport of brockjitsu.
OK….we gotta go, Alice in wonderland was in at the red box and have chocate flip for desert.
by magneto on Jul 4, 2010 2:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I will be contacting Bloodyelbow
to officially request the 90 seconds or so of my life back that it took me to read this twice to see if it was actually a legitimate article. I realize now it was nothing more than a hateful trolling piece with inaccurate facts from a writer who demonstrated zero ability to be objective in this article. I will not read any more of your posts again, and if I see too many of them I will stop visiting this website for good as I’m guessing many others will as well. Mr. Snowden, you owe the mma world and in particular bloodyelbow readers and apology in my humble opinion.
Bro….we said we’re sorry. Totally harshing our buzz right now.
Snowden was trippin balls.
He said something about a Jaberwockee?
by magneto on Jul 4, 2010 3:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m really hoping for a bloody elbow article about how all the writers are using this fight to further their bias against whatever it is that grows the wild hair in their ass.
Snowden, you’re a good writer, but your damned bias shows through like the shit stuck to my dogs ass when he can’t pinch a clean one. The whole fight was pretty amazing. Carwin’s stand-up is continues to improve. It was clean and he had really good combos and technique. Brock showed resilience in being the only fighter ever hit by said fighter and not get launched into the rafters.
And was it really such a surprise to you that Carwin gassed? How many fighters can put together an offensive onslaught like that and not get winded? I can’t think of that many, regardless of the weightclass. I can’t wait for the re-match.
also, I was surprised that the fight wasn’t stopped. If Brock was intelligently defending himself, intelligent is defined as " closing your arms over your eyes and hoping that the fighter tires out quickly". It really didn’t seem that intelligent to me, and that the refs bias was for Brock to recover, but at the same time I didn’t find it completely unfair because obviously Brock wasn’t completely out of it. He was certainly pushing the line though. Great great fight. Eeegads.
by Dooda on Jul 4, 2010 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mr. Snowden
I think you’re a good writer but I always disagree with you viewpoint and need to be controversial. I just watched as you say a wildly entertaining fight and you describe it as unimpressive for the first 3/4 of your post. I think Brock showed a incredible amount of heart and resilence to weather the storm. He also showed his ability as a mixed martial artist to Win against the odds. (a la Big nog, fedor)
by Curbside on Jul 4, 2010 2:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Even though everyone is hating on Snowden but I completely agree with his dissection of the fight. I thought Brock looked worse after this fight then he looked prior to the fight. As in, in my opinion Brocks stock dropped after this fight as it exposed more holes in his game.
I think those holes were there to be seen before the fight. Carwin is really the 1st striker to face off against Brock. It wasn’t an impressive showing on his feet, but Brock’s ground and pound defense was impressive. Carwin couldn’t land one clean shot through those massive forearms to end the fight. Strangely, Brock didn’t even look like he knew what he was doing down there but it didn’t matter those two massive arms were like umbrellas.
Also agree Carwin didn’t have anything in the 2nd round, the fight was already over.
Go back and look at Lesnars face after round 1
It was completely busted and his eyes were nearly swollen shut. He got his ass kicked and turtling up is no GnP defense. He was able to lock Carwin up or even attempt any kind of reversal. In fact, I’d say Brock has no game or defense at all off his back short of turtling up. He also looks very timid on his feet.
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you and I are in much of a disagreement. I do think he turtled up for 3 minutes in that 1st round but he got away with it because his arms were like a turtle shell. Carwin was only nicking him with those shots from the top because he couldn’t punch through Brock’s arms. If any one of those goes through clean than Brock’s head is bouncing off the canvas, it never happened.
Nah. I don’t think he looks worse. This was a performance similar to the stuff Fedor used to do. Get beat, then some how come back to win. I’m not even a Brock fan and I can admit this.
I never said Brock didn’t have heart. But, we got to see how Lesnar reacts to getting punched and to being put on his back. He has no answer for either. If he can’t get a takedown he can’t win. He will shell up when swarmed. Problem is his wrestling is so good and his takedowns are so explosive that if you rush in to quick he has the ability to get the takedown.
by Johnnynumber5 on Jul 4, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe
his answer was to stand up at the end of the round, come out in the second and then get the take down. He then proceeded to work from half guard to full mout to side control, and then submit with an arm triangle. Seems like a pretty clear answer to me.
Did you eat some brownies too?
I totally forgot what I was gonna reply….
Oh yeah,
weird how Brock was playing the bad guy and he’s the humble champ…because he’s the UFC’s biggest soap opera character.
Brock is hotter than fresh piss right now…
“shhhhh”- Luke Thomas
by magneto on Jul 4, 2010 3:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The one thing that was really unimpressive about this match
was the annoying Lesnar fanboy sitting behind me at the pub. Dude wouldn’t shut up. There’s cheering for your guy, and then there’s just acting like a caveman douche.
My wife was screaming her head off.
“BROCK! GET UP! GET UP! GET UP! HE HITS LIKE A BITCH! DON”T STOP THE FIGHT, NO! NO! OH YEAH, OH YEAH HE"S UP! KNEE HIM! OH YEAH! WAIT FOR ROUND TWO, WAIT!"
Before round 2:
“DID HE JUST WINK? OH HELL NO…IT’S ON NOW…OOOOOH TAKEDOWN! GET HIM GET HIM”
Me:
“Oh look, arm triangle…”
Wife:
“CHOKE HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LESNAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…….Alright dear, what did you want from the kitchen?”
Was he anything like that? Because I can relate. Funniest part is, she’s 5’4 and 110lbs. Her yelling is like me saying hi to someone across the room.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This dude was a big, middle aged man who was very quiet through the first round, but all of a sudden was cock of the walk in the second. I can understand being excited, but when you’re yelling above the speakers AND the rest of the bar, you know you’re a loud mofo.
That ain’t shit son, you should have seen me when GSP slapped that armbar on Dan Hardy. “BREAK HIS FUCKING ARM!!!” The whole bar got quiet, I felt like a total tard, but it was fun, and I was half drunk/in the moment.
And I’m well acquainted with GSP’s nuts, I hug them quite often.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Worse than the fan boy lesnar fans are the fucking BJ Penn fan boys…
da dad da dadadada Douches!!!
by magneto on Jul 4, 2010 3:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to say, Snowden
On a night when Kid Nate is absent, you’re a more then adequate fill in ;)
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Why am I not surprised
The man who has so tried to hide so hard in the closet about is Fedor love has finally come out with this hit piece! I know how it can be frustrating.
He was hoping for karma to hit the UFC & Lesnar this week, and instead is left with blue balls and a sock to jerk off in, when Brock actually showed skill with transition & submission. Absolutely impressive by anyone’s standard!
Sorry the good guys win again. Us the MMA fans. We also appericate more objective journalism, as it’s why I and many of us blogging right now joined the site to begin with over sites like “Hatedogs”.
I'll say this...
If you expected some sort of crazy non-stop heart pounding battle that would last over two rounds, you don’t know much about MMA. Brock reacted poorly to getting hit by, arguably, the hardest puncher in MMA, but did his best to survive, throwing a punch or pushing Carwin off as he was on his back. Lesnar obviously wasn’t interested in trading with him (also expected) and in the second, he easily took down someone who was supposed to be able to shrug him off with ease. He also pinned down the man who was supposed to give him trouble keeping him down. Then when an opportunity we wouldn’t have expected Lesnar to see arose, he took it, and SUBMITTED Shane Carwin.
So to sit there and complain about Carwin’s gas tank, that hadn’t been tested, and was suspect to begin with, and about Brock getting hit, who hadn’t been hit like THAT before a day in his life…that’s kinda…pointless.
It was a fun fight, if you ask me.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 4, 2010 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
he easily took down someone who was supposed to be able to shrug him off with ease
Carwin was supposed to shrug Lesnar off with ease? I don’t recall seeing anyone say that in the lead-up to the fight. I was surprised to see Carwin defend the takedown so well in the first round.
by JRN on Jul 4, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I said this earlier but I want to go into more detail
I’ve always thought the idea of allowing the ref to stop a fight was to keep a fighter from taking any unnecessary damage. That’s where the idea of intelligently defending yourself comes in. If you can’t intelligently defend yourself you obviously do not have the ability to continue the fight because you are not thinking straight. Lesnar was obviously ok and able to continue fighting. Why are there so many complaints that the fight should have been stopped? If he could continue he was obviously fine.
I thought the fight was going to be called when Lesnar was just hunched over on the ground while Carwin rained shots for about 8-10 seconds.. If this wasn’t a championship fight I think the ref usually calls it. It’s a good thing the ref held back because the better fighter recovered and eventually won.
I thought the same thing
Rosenthal, I think I spelled that right, was a great ref. It very well could have been because it was a championship fight. No argument there. I do wish refs did let fights go like they did tonight. Championship or not.
My god this Snowden guy. Just got back from the fights and it’s safe to say unimpressive was the furthest thing from anyones mind after that fight. What a joke of an article.
Was it based on the spectacle though? That’s the point of this article.
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any time there are two 265 pounders in the ring it will be a spectacle. that said, the difference in this fight was lesnars toughness and deeper gas tank. The one thing I will agree with is on the reffing, I was fully expecting it to get stopped about halfway through the first. If anything that just shows how great a ref Rosenthal is .
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
if lesnar isn’t the best in the world who is?
Cain? maybe, we’ll see. But for now saying Lesnar isn’t the best heavy in the world is just silly.
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
absolutely, but this side of Anderson who doesn’t look beatable?
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Not as beatable as Fedor against Rogers (or Arlovski or Werdum)
Or Werdum against JDS.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
by Goonisis on Jul 4, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
His strength (wrestling) didn't seem so strong
Someone like Cain who has superior wrestling (don’t base it on the titles, Lesnar’s year was weaker than Cain’s) won’t get taken down as easily. And will have a massive tank.
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That i could agree with
If anyone can beat Lesnar, it’s Cain. But, for now at least, Lesnar has far and away earned the title of best imo.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
I felt the same way really. I expected brocks wrestling to be dominant, which it certainly wasn’t.
If they posted a line and I saw Cain at +140 or better(which seems like about where it will be, maybe a little more) I’d gladly wager but I still think Brock is the slight favorite. But we are talking like 53/47, AK vs 99 sort of deal.
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
oh wait, this isnt a poker website. sorry :)
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I really just think people are not reading what Snowden wrote
Because he essentially said exactly what happened. Maybe he sexy-ed it up a bit but people are over reacting. Round 1 Carwin should have won via TKO (ref stoppage) but it wasn’t, if that’s because Rosenthal is a great ref or not is debatable. Carwin came out in the 2nd as a slow 265lb grappling dummy and didn’t defend a slow takedown or halfguard to side control to mount to arm triangle. He did nothing. Against a guy like JDS who has accuracy Brock won’t be able to just cover and run. Against Cain who has superior wrestling and a chin and a gastank, Brock won’t end it like he did.
Was it a fun fight? Yes. Did I yell out when he won via arm triangle? fuck yes. Was it a technical battle? no fucking way. It was as technical as Jung/Garcia.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 4, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rosenthal’s reffing is debatable? really? Lesnar came back to win and showed no ill effect. Where’s the debate?
The headline is blatant trolling any way you cut it.
by Gerrymanderer on Jul 4, 2010 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Man…I don’t even know what to say to this article. I don’t post here much but I have to comment on this shit.
I was at MGM for the fights tonight and I don’t understand how you get off calling these two guys “unimpressive”. That’s a sentiment that someone can have but to post it as an article is fucking ridiculous. I was there to witness it and man, Lesnar is a warrior and I think he deserves a little bit more respect than you showed in your article.
Maybe you’re still upset about Fedor’s loss but you gotta get over it. The real HWs have arrived and we should be celebrating, not fucking complaining about the champ looking “beatable”…WTF does that mean?..
I really just don’t get your reasoning and I truly question the credibility of this article. You sound biased as hell man. Just fucking enjoy what a war these two went through tonight. There is no question those were the two best HWs in the world out there tonight.
Damn Snowden….put down the Hateraid, this was a very impressive fight.
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 4, 2010 3:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
generic angry reaction
Moisture is the essence of wetness.
by troy145 on Jul 4, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
article fail but this whole card was fun
to watch and was full of good fights and respect
we know your a writer but sounds like your being a writer didn’t let you enjoy this fight
Warning: PRIDE goggles in use
by gxc on Jul 4, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You go and delete I believe 3 more of my posts? Well JonathanSnowden, your popular! You’re on different websites too! Check here: http://www.fightlinker.com/haters-gonna-hate
Fight Linker has an article that is all about you! Lets read it shall we.
Haters gonna hate
July 4, 2010 – 2:20 am by fightlinker
Sometimes it feels like Jonathan Snowden is to Bloody Elbow as Oscar the Grouch is to Sesame Street. While he agreed the Lesnar / Carwin fight was teh sweetness, that didn’t stop him from essentially calling both fighters crappy losers:
We learned a few things about Brock Lesnar tonight. We confirmed what many suspected: Brock Lesnar doesn’t like to get hit. As soon as Carwin touched him, Lesnar did more than cover up. He flat cowered against the cage. He wasn’t hurt as much as terrified. Make no mistake-Carwin had that fight won. Against anyone who isn’t the promotion’s heavyweight champion, that fight gets stopped due to some brutal ground and pound.
Lucky for Lesnar, Carwin isn’t merely a one-round fighter. He doesn’t event have that much in him. Three minutes into the bout and Carwin’s heaving breaths couldn’t feed his mammoth muscles. Lesnar survived, less because of his own defensive prowess and more because Carwin gassed and gassed bad.
“We learned a few things about Shane Carwin, too. When the fight went to the second round, Carwin was no longer participating. He looked like he was approaching a heart attack and was like a spectator at his own execution. Lesnar took him to the mat with a sloppy tackle and shortly thereafter finished him with an arm triangle. It was hardly a display of technical prowess. Carwin had either checked out mentally or simply couldn’t summon the energy to defend himself.”
It’s hard to say Carwin didn’t blow his load like the dude in Scary Movie 1 considering the fact that they had to take him to the hospital post-fight due to hyperventilation. But still, that there is some serious glass half empty shit. Like glass smashed and Jon’s gonna slit his wrists with the shards because there was nothing redeeming at all in their performance.
Let’s try to be a bit more balanced: Brock ate some brutal shots from Shane Carwin and didn’t go down. He covered up and ran away, but jeez … this is MMA, not pro wrestling. He can’t just take those like a chair shot to the face and then come back Hulk Hogan style. Was he lucky that Rosenthal didn’t stop the fight in the first? Only when you look at refereeing through the lens of standard ref incompetence. And that arm triangle was about as slick as you can expect from a fight involving two 265 pound neanderthals.
I think a lot of the shit talking you’re going to hear from people coming out of this fight originates from the whole "Who’s the #1 heavyweight" argument that’s gained new life since Fedor pulled an Akiyama and let himself get subbed out. Personally, I refuse to get into that debate since RANKINGS ARE STUPID AND SO ARE PEOPLE WHO OBSESS OVER THEM. Brock Lesnar is the UFC’s heavyweight champ, Shane Carwin was the #1 contender. They fought, it was hella entertaining, and if you’re not a big sourpuss you can probably leave it at that.
So JonathanSnowden, don’t be a big (insert italicized word a few lines up)
by JayW on Jul 4, 2010 3:44 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
Doesn't that article echo Snowden's article--to a T?
While only drawing a different punchline from what transpired?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I Agree
Brock did exactly that. Cowered against the cage and then fell down. It was actually funny. You’re the baddest SOB on the planet and you fall to fetal position? What’s worse is his jumping on the cage and punching his own chin as if he’s got one after his win. Carwin gassed out completely and lost me as a fan for his incredibly poor rematch performance. I say rematch, because that fight should have been stopped based on Lesnar’s actions. He looked like a guy who was getting jumped. It’s funny that the biggest guys are the worst fighters. Damn Carwin! Basic Jiu-Jitsu? Hellooooooo!
Author. Dont be hurt because you boy Carwin lost.
Dont lie. Your hurt, bad. Your pissed and this article just proves it.
I suggest a day off from MMA writing and maybe even a women, to get layed with.
Signed.
Lesnar Fan.
by Jesse Taylor on Jul 4, 2010 4:01 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
what a d-bag
i hate(d) Brock before this and i’m a misanthrope but even i thought it was impressive.
when you shouldn’t even write blogs, u know it’s bad
by dank7 on Jul 4, 2010 4:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Comments disappearing beats people disappearing. As for my 32 rec whopper above, a) thanks for keeping it and b) I’d change ’you’re’ to ’that’s’ if I could.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 4:49 AM EDT up reply actions
People are truly thin skinned..
I mean, reading through these comments in here my mind really shouldn’t be blown at all, because I know how the gang mentality is here, but wow.
So take a step back for a minute; somebody posts an opinion while everybody else is all amped, and this opinion might not exactly jive with everybody else’s. So the question is now, how do you react to it?
A) Actually take time to digest and consider another possibility
B) Engage in intelligent discourse about why you disagree
C) Attack, insult and post GIFs.
I’m pretty sure it is clear which option was the popular choice.
But you know, Brock did buckle and look freaked after getting hit, Carwin did gas out completely and the fight probably would’ve been stopped if it was any other ref or if Rosenthal blinked a certain way.
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by Dave Walsh on Jul 4, 2010 4:52 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
It is politically unacceptable to not be a mark and judge the fight for yourself in objective terms, as proven by Snowden’s post shattering the record for most self-righteously rec’d responses
by smoogy2 on Jul 4, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd!
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I’ll put my tally against… well, everybody’s, really.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So this fight failed to impress, but
he jizzes all over the SF: LA card which he admits “doesn’t matter” because it reminds him of a KOTC card.
Goodbye.
by Revolver on Jul 4, 2010 5:12 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Call me obtuse but I fail to see what he wrote that is so offensive.
Holy shit do people take their heavyweight fights serious. Thank go I’ve been drinking otherwise these comments would be more disturbing than comical.
I wonder
just how many of us on here are still drunk. Can’t wait for people to log on tomorrow and see what they wrote, it’ll be like finding out who you drunk dialed when you blacked out.
by av1o3 on Jul 4, 2010 6:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow...
Look, I wasn’t rooting for Brock, but after tonight, seeing him forced to dig deeper, past the power-based, beast-like performances that he’s put on in the past, and having to seek a different avenue to victory – after being visibly shaken, rocked, (has anyone ever seen the expression of desperation and despair on Brock’s face before? yeah he tapped to Mir, but never did he look as out of his element as he did tonight in that 1st rd last night), he managed to pull a victory off, via newly acquired submission skills.
Carwin is the first fighter to ever, at least momentarily, put Brock in Peril due to striking.
Both Men have things to be proud of, and both have been given ample examples of areas they each need to improve in.
That all said, what is there NOT to be impressed with, you poor, desensitized, jaded writer/spectator, you?!
By the way...
Does Snowden work for M-1 Global?
“Brock, impressive? NYET!”
by LeonDaLion on Jul 4, 2010 7:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Can't everyone just ignore this whole article because it's putting a damper on
what’s been one of the best main events that I’ve had the pleasure to watch live in the three years I’ve been watching MMA.
so hard to not type something that will possibly get me banned…
by milson on Jul 4, 2010 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Looks like the Strikeforce brawl all over again.
Real douchebags are showing.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Inquiring minds want to know: Was Snowden warned for fighter bashing?
I love having Snowden write here. I generally really enjoy your posts, Jonathan. Not just because we share a name. But this article is just straight up inflammatory.
The problem with this article was less about it's content than it's timing
It certainly is a little over the top in its effort to marginalize the accomplishments of both Lesnar and Carwin, but it probably would have done better a day or two later as a contrarian rethinking of the fight.
By publishing it before Brock’s blood has a chance to dry on the mat, Snowden conveys the sense that he is not, in fact, a fan of the sport, but merely a disinterested observer who cares more about his own accomplishments writing about the sport than about the fighters who compete in it.
BE is above all a fan site, and you always know that the guys writing the articles are fans first, and journalists second. With Snowden, not so much.
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by Dave Strummer on Jul 4, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This was the best UFC card in some time!
Action and Drama all night long. You couldn’t script a better event.
All I have to say is Snowden is really still hurt from Fedor losing or he is just an idiot.
I have been involved in MMA since 96’ and watching Fedor since 2003. The torch has been officially passed to Brock Lesnar.
I can’t wait for Dos Santos to get his shot!
right on
snowden
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Jul 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
Why?
Why all this negativity? Brock Lesnar got pumped by a guy who KO’ed everyone else he touched with his hands, and he survived. The ref talked to brock as he does every other fighter to see what state he was in, and felt he was still okay. Yes it was close at some points but then brock would kickoff. If I told you without names that in the 1st round fighter A got his butt kicked nearly getting KO’d and GNP’d for 3 1/2 minutes only to survive, then in the 2nd to come back get a take down and arm triangle fighter B you would be pumped to watch the fight. Rather because you see the names you criticize. You shouldn’t be so negative all the time. Watch and enjoy the fights, have a good time with your friends.
People criticise Lesnar because of the hype while he actually looked very vulnerable against Carwin. His standing game is crap, even Gonzaga looked better against Carwin before he got clocked and Carwin landed a much harder shot on him than on Lesnar. He also couldn’t take down a fresh Carwin and got dominated for a whole round, so in reality this guy is mostly size. After this performance I give him less chances against Fedor or Overeem and wouldn’t be surprised if JDS and Cain beat him. And to be honest I expect Carwin to beat him in a rematch, the guy just overreacted and thought he can take out Lesnar in the first. But Lesnar is lucky he got huge arms/hands and could cover himself up. If they ever fight again Carwin won’t make the same mistake again and will take it easy.
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by Riney on Jul 4, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The amount if Rec in this thread is ridiculous!
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
by xAtlasx on Jul 4, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Snowden = Bayless
Snowden is without a doubt the Skip Bayless of MMA journalism. Stop trying to be edgy, and having a contrarian viewpoint for the sake of having one. You’re a hack.
by GuyCompton on Jul 4, 2010 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m glad I’m not the only one that made the Bayless correlation.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He flat cowered against the cage
As opposed to Fedor’s chickinshit tapping at the merest hint of a choke.
That onslaught would have retired Fedor.
Now that I have had a chance to see the fight I can’t agree more with this article. Lesnar didn’t win this fight Carwin lost it. Carwin put up no defense at all in the second round. The first round Lesnar looked absolutely horrible. The masses will believe any thing the UFC tells them but the truth is neither of these guys is as great as the UFC would have you believe. The template for how to beat both of these guys has now been published and I think you are going to see it put to very good use in their next fights.
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This is the point I am making above. And the point that Snowden is making in this article. MMA fans are a rabid bunch who don’t read and instead infer.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 4, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
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I honestly enjoy Snowden’s opinion pieces, even though it may rile people up I could care less. Take it for what it is, one person’s view of the fight. I can make my own informed impressions and I don’t need to go all apeshit because somebody dared to point out the obvious sloppy glory that was Lesnar/Carwin. Both men are beast and need to tune up their game, and I really look forward to that.
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Its just sad that this kind of garbage gets front page treatment on BE
by Paradoxx on Jul 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and as long as they keep on getting almost 600 comments his articles will continue to be.
Good lord…..is Jonathan Snowden the Chael Sonnen of Bloody Elbow??!!!
The more you drive, the less intelligent you are.
When 550 of those comments are disagreeing with the article then you have a problem
by Darren Watkins on Jul 4, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock looked beatable, but every fighter in the world is beatable.
Any fighter is beatable. Brock overcame getting wrecked by Carwin in the very 1st round like ALL of his opponents, and accomplished survival mode. We’ve never seen that from Brock other than his very first UFC fight when he exposed his leg to Frank Mir the first time. He got out of it and took advantage of Shane Carwin’s weakness, which was his conditioning.
Brock ended up with his first ever submission win (how man sub attempts has he had in the UFC anyway?) against the guy who nearly dethroned him a few minutes earlier. He survived the hardest hitting HW and retained his belt after a year out of the ring.
If that’s not impressive to you I don’t know what is. Every fighter (boxing or MMA) has to face adversity at some point in their title defense. Lesnar got his and was successful.
I was impressed by Carwin’s power but not impressed by his conditioning. Still, he almost knocked out Brock Freaking Lesnar. At 35 he doesn’t have much time left to be a top contender but if they can work up his conditioning he’s still going to be a monstrous threat for anyone to deal with.
In summary, I don’t publicly call out BE staff for their opinions, but this one was absolutely ludicrous.
The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.
Wow
One of the worst posts I’ve seen from a writer on BE. Congrats, your trolling got plenty of feedback.
Lesnar took him to the mat with a sloppy tackle
I just rewatched the takedown a couple more times. It was a great example of changing levels as he followed up his lead jab with a shot and caught Carwin in the midst of his counter-punch.
Sloppy tackle it was not.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Lesnar is over hyped
Finally someone is talking with some sense here. Lesnar look awful in this fight. He won only because Carwin get tired in the second round.
I know you american loves your heavywheights even if there are not so great like couture or this lesnar. but cmon, he lost to frank mir, won a boring fight against herring and now he almost gets killed in the first round.
Open your eyes, lesnar its very beatable and Velasquez its going to prove it.
Great article!!
Another great article Snowden! It is refreshing to see a MMA writer criticize UFC fighters. Lesnar and Carwin was entertaining but both showed huge holes in their game. Lesnar clearly doesn’t like to get hit. Carwin gasses after 3 minutes. The blueprint on how to beat both fighters is out.
fail to impress???
failed to impress, like watching a mother rescue her kids from a burning car fails to impress ……. but car was small and the kids are light, if she was in a big suv and the kids were heavier, then yes it would have been impressive…………..
I signed up because this is so outrageous
Royce Gracie gets walloped forever and pulls off s aubmission = God
Big Nog get walloped forever and pulls off s aubmission = God
Lesnar gets walloped 1 round and pulls off s aubmission = Unimpressive
amen
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by WRContracting on Jul 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I mostly agree
Namely, this was an entertaining fight, but I wasn’t hugely impressed by either Carwin or Lesnar. Lesnar looked terrible the first round and was lucky the fight wasn’t stopped (although it was the right decision to keep it going). Carwin looked absolutely terrible the second round.
Having said that, I wasn’t unimpressed either – both of these guys are clearly at or near the best in their weight class.
But I suggest if you want to “go against the grain” and be taken seriously that you use less inflammatory language and characterizations. For instance, Carwin is not (by anyone’s standards) “relatively unknown.”
Snowden is Right!
Brock was fighting a zombie in the 2nd round. Brock didn’t have to take him down; he just fell on to the mat. I just cannot believe, the 3rd best heavy weight in the world doesn’t have gas tank for a 2nd round.
Brock’s standup is laughable. The 2 things I will give him credit for:
He absorbed that many punches and shook them off like nothing (though bloodied up). He does know something about submission (I thought he knew absolutely nothing). But again, Carwin couldn’t do anything to prevent going to the mat or Brock mounting him or Brock sinking in the choke ’COZ HE WAS DEAD!
I know rankings have to be based on the recent fights, opposition ranking etc. Lemme stay away from that and just rank them based on whom I think would win if they fight against each other multiple times (based on their recent fights and skillset).
1 and 2) Fedor and Overeem (not sure if Fedor can beat Overeem)
3 and 4) Velasquez and Dos Santos
5 and 6) Carwin and Lesnar (if Carwin had a gas tank, he would be up there with Santos)
Noguiera, Rogers, Werdum, Mir etc come next.
I was amazed at how Brock could stand up after taking that beating. But the thing that stood out the most, from this fight, for me is that Brock has got almost no chance if he fights Fedor (yeh..yeh, IF fedor “dares” come to UFC).
over and out
by Blistering_Barnacles on Jul 5, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
Ok, I just saw Snowden’s article about his feelings being hurt for being a Fedor supporter and a closet Zuffa fan and I was even defending him a little. Now that I read the article he wrote that caused the article he defends himself in, I understand.
Snowden, this article is laughable. How can you say that Lesnar didn’t impress? Why does someone have to be a 7th degree ninja to get credit from you? Lesnar took a shot from Carwin that no one else in MMA could have stayed conscious for. He got pummeled and stayed awake. He had the presence of mind to think to “weather the storm” and wear Carwin out. He came back the next round and won. That to me is sports and great fighting skill. You don’t need to do a spinning hi yah double americana yah yah to be a great fighter. Part of strategy is knowing a fighters weakness, adapting during a fight, and then capitalizing. That is what Lesnar did. I was an ardent Carwin supporter before the fight and found myself screaming at Rosenthal to stop the fight for Lesnar’s safety and he made a Rockyesque comeback. That is the mark of a true competitor and I now respect Lesnar.
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