UFC 118 Quote of the Day: James Toney Asked for Brock Lesnar, Turned Down Kimbo Slice and Took Randy Couture
by Kid Nate on Jul 29, 2010 10:49 PM EDT
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"The person I wanted to fight right off the bat was Brock Lesnar," Toney said in a live chat with MMAFighting.com. "He's a champion, I'm a champion and I wanted to do it. But they said I couldn't do that. Then they said, 'How about Kimbo?' But I said, 'That's too easy. That's like kicking a little kid's butt.' But then Randy started saying he wanted to fight me, so I said, 'OK, you're the first one getting it.'"
From the MMA Fighting Live Chat with James Toney
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I think he couldn't afford a loss to Kimbo.
At least losing to Randy he can say he lost to a legit MMA fighter. To call out Kimbo and then to say you turned down a fight sounds like you got scared when they offered it to you.
LOLs @ "toney ducking kimbo"
I almost spat my soda on my monitor. That term should only be used for fighters who refuse to fight a superior fighter, instead opting for a “can” instead
by espino on Jul 29, 2010 10:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Ducking is Ducking, if you call some one out – Toney to “Simba Spice” and then turn down the fight it sounds like Ducking to me. I honestly think this would have been a very winnable fight for Kimbo. His real weakness has been leg kicks and i don’t see Toney coming out in his first fight with great leg kicks.
I guess we will never know though, Kimbo is gone and so will Toney after Randy gives him an ass whoopin.
by JCBee on Jul 29, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
im sorry.. just the idea of any boxer/mma fighter “duckin kimbo” is just hillarious to me. Thats easily an insta win + “casual mma fan recognition”
Thats ignoring the fact that Kimbo tried to wrestle in both of his UFC fights…he’d have taken Toney down and owned him. In my opinion at least.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he tried (and I think succeeded when Mitrione threw a high kick) to take Mitrione down in that first round. And if there is one person that Houston Alexander has a better ground game than, its James Toney.
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Not only did he take Mitrione down, he did so impressively and landed in side control. Mitrione at least took the ground game seriously and used decent technique to get back standing. I seriously doubt Toney would do the same. I think a Kimbo-Toney fight would look quite a bit like Kimbo-Mercer.
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Kimbo would have died.
Case closed. And there’s no doubt Randy Couture is the more difficult opponent so ducking is a laughable way to say it.
by Drizzy on Jul 30, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
Toney isn’t much of a power puncher. He’s a volume guy with a great defensive Philly Shell. It won’t translate to mma too well imo. Kimbo’s already shown that he can take out an over the hill former champion who talks too much.
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Kimbo has nothing to offer JT
This would go down as one of the worst beatings of all time. Randy will clinch and win. Kimbo would not have stood a chance. If Seth P. and Matt M. can take it to Kimbo standing, the best hands in mma right now certainly would have no issue taking him out. Make no mistake, JT has the best hands in mma. I don’t see how anyone could argue against that.
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You can argue it
by understanding that JT’s style will not translate to the cage. JT’s an elusive fighter who uses a philly shell to slip and counter before clinching to rest and keep the fight from moving inside. He stands heavy over his feet because he doesn’t have to worry about takedowns. Watch the attached clip to see what I’m talkig about. Toney absolutely does not have the best hands in mma, because his hands weren’t developed for mma. It’s similar to arguing that a tennis player will have the best forehand in badminton because, hey, they both swing racquets and the tennis player swings a bit harder.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0MsURLAuA
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I know same here....
Im actually praying for a miracle and Tony clips Couture’s chin enough to have him go out. Couture should win this fight… however he is an older man and Tony does have power in his hands.
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“Kimbo would’ve won that fight in a huge coup for the UFC. "
wut… you really think kimbo fucking slice would beat james toney? rofl
Kimbo beat Ray Mercer
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
kimbo subbed ray mercer and made it look easy… and his ground has improved since then
by kanodogg on Jul 29, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Kimbo>Sylvia
And ray beat Sylvia, therefor Kimbo>Ray>Sylvia.
I.E. Kimbo>Sylvia
I hadn't thought of it that way
It’s also worth noting that Kimbo beat Houston who beat Jardine who beat Liddell who beat Couture who beat Sylvia who beat Arlovski who beat, of course, Nelson who beat Kimbo.
Therefore:
Kimbo > Houston > Jardin > Liddell > Couture > Sylvia > Arlovski > Nelson > Kimbo
This of course reduces to:
Kimbo > Houston >Liddell > Couture > Sylvia > Arlovski > Kimbo
And finally solving for Kimbo, we get:
Kimbo <> Kimbo
Q.E.D.
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by The Darkness on Jul 30, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this like the enemy…the inner me?
by seanerk88 on Aug 2, 2010 2:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kimbo got knocked out
by Seth, whose strikes are like mosquito bites next to Toney’s. I think it took a whole 14 seconds. LOL.
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Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Pic caption: “It’s interesting that Toney had the negotiating leverage with the UFC to duck Kimbo Slice and get Randy Couture. Kimbo would’ve won that fight in a huge coup for the UFC.”
What? No. No, Kimbo would not have won that fight.
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by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 29, 2010 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Kimbo 1-0 vs over-the-hill hw pro boxers who talk too much and have legitimate power in their hands. Kimbo 0-0 against over-the-hill hw pro boxers with little power and a defensive minded shell game.
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Toney is a professional boxer. Kimbo is a bad street brawler. How would Kimbo have won?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 29, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
how did he beat Ray Mercer?
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 29, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Mercer / James Toney ...
… not even on the same level
by VoodooSteve on Jul 29, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And Mercer is 8 years older.
I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
So Toney's ground is much better than Mercer's?
OK got it.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 29, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
no chance Kimbo submits Toney...
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by MMArazorback on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
What in James Toney’s ground game leads you to this conclusion? I’m dieing to hear this.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
What in Kimbo’s game makes you think he could submit Toney? Was it his lone pro MMA submission (due to strikes) of Bo Cantrell?
Submitting an almost 50 year old Ray Mercer in an EXHIBITION means he would blow through ANY x-boxer in MMA, amiright?
To answer your question… its nothing in Toney’s ground game that makes me thing he’d win (although i doubt Dana would let Toney fight Couture if Kimbo Fucking Slice could submit him so easily) its the fact that Kimbo is an awful fighter, has bad knees, and no gas tank. Toney is unproven in MMA sure, but he’s not old ass, broke ass, brain-dead Ray Mercer. He’s tough as shit and can fight for more than 3 minutes (35 pro boxing fights going the distance).
Every MMA fighter Kimbo has faced in his illustrious career has been hand picked for him (except the 205er who KO’d him in 14 seconds on less than a day’s notice) and he’s looked bad in almost all of those fights. I dont think im going out on a limb in saying that Kimbo wouldnt submit Toney.
Kimbo has had 6 pro fights against C level fighters who have a combined 16 submission losses. Why didnt he just submit them?
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by MMArazorback on Jul 30, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
wasnt talking to you buddy. but thanks for taking the time to let me know you didnt take the time to read.
thats was sherdogesque.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 30, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He almost RNC’ed Houston Alexander, for one. And no, subbing Mercer in an exhibition (like it really matters) doesn’t mean it’d be more likely, but Kimbo at least knows how to choke someone.
And “old ass, broke ass, brain-dead Ray Mercer” ktfo’ed Tim Sylvia, so let’s stop acting like he’s a fucking vegetable.
EVERY fighter was handpicked for Kimbo? Houston was a huge favorite to KO Kimbo, and what happened? Besides gassing out horrible, Kimbo wrestled. Although Houston’s shown next to know improvement on the ground, I have a creeping feeling that he knows more than Toney does.
Also, it’s been highlighted time and again that grappling will gas you out faster than any boxing match would. Especially in regards to punching.
Kimbo didn’t submit them because he sucks, plain and simple, but the putting up Kimbos ground game vs. Toney’s ability to avoid it would be interesting, and the idea that there’s no way Kimbo could win is ignorant.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 30, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
He almost RNC’ed Houston Alexander
…impressive!
And "old ass, broke ass, brain-dead Ray Mercer" ktfo’ed Tim Sylvia…super-impressive!
EVERY fighter was handpicked for Kimbo?
…yes.
Kimbo at least knows how to choke someone.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/20/1578978/muhammed-king-mo-lawal-talks-james
If “knowing how to choke someone” means you’re going to submit them in a fight, then I guess Toney would submit King Mo then…
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by MMArazorback on Jul 30, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo is a better and more experienced grappler than James Toney, at this point in time. At the very least,he could take him down, get to mount and pound him out. James Toney has 6 months of grappling training. He’s barely even a white belt.
If he had gone to Strikeforce and they would have done that Herschel Walker fight, Walker would have run a grapple train on the man. Not a doubt in my mind. Randy Couture is going to get a take down within 10-20 seconds, go straight to mount, hit Toney with elbows until he rolls over, and then sink a rear naked choke. The entire fight will last maybe 3 minutes, at most.
My opinion of Kimbo Slice isn’t very high, but he could likely pull off a similar game plan. ANYONE who has a couple years of grappling training going against someone who’s barely been doing it 6 months should be able to do that. I seriously doubt James would be able to sub Kimbo from his back, or be able to scramble back to his feet. Once his back hit the mat, that would be it.
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Thats plenty of e-arguing for me tonight. I see you on here from time to time having 30 comment arguments with other folks. Im not going down that road…
We’ll have to agree to disagree.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 30, 2010 3:24 AM EDT up reply actions
How about an easier foe?
As everyone has already pointed out, Kimbo has a decent takedown and clinch game. He held off Roy Nelson for much longer than a former street-baller has any right to from the clinch. He suplexed Alexander. He exploded into a takedown to side control against Mitrione. He’s shown a fairly aggressive top game when he does get it to the ground.
Kimbo’s nowhere near a world-class fighter, but assuming that a slow, past-prime boxer with no mma skills could get past even a mediocre ground fighter is pretty naive. And yes, I’m a boxing fan as well and know about Toney’s skill level back in the day. It’s Chuck in 2007 vs. Chuck today.
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Athletic talent
I think the thing your missing is that athletic talent is a key in grappling too. I know its trendy to think that all that matters in martial arts is training, but a lot of it comes down to athleticism. We learned that Kimbo has very little athleticism and given his improvement post the ultimate fighter it doesn’t seem like he learned anything with Bas Rutten.
To think that Toney who is a 100x better athlete than Kimbo (even in Toney’s diminished state) could pick up a decent ground game/take down defense to deal with Kimbo isn’t that hard.
Also how long on the feet would Toney really need against Kimbo?
James Toney isn’t athletic at all. He’s 41 years old, 60 pounds overweight and VERY punchy. Dude isn’t going to stop anyone’s takedowns or explode out from under someone on the ground.
And Toney’s power on the feet is REALLY over rated. Sometimes I question if 99% of the people on here have ever even watched James Toney box before. He is not known for knocking people out. He wore guys down over the long haul, and either forced ref stoppages when the other guy started to take too many shots once he got gassed, or won on points. It was a rare occasion when James Toney put a guy on ice.
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We are comparing Kimbo Toney
That’s all. And to think that Toney might be more athletic than Kimbo at this point isn’t far fetched. Or to think that he might pick up grappling a little faster than you or I since you know he was once a world class boxer.
Kimbo is already a better wrestler than James Toney is. He’s not going to pick up that much wrestling in 6 months, especially at his age. And Kimbo already knows basic submissions, which is all he really needs against someone with James Toney’s level of knowledge on the ground.
The fact that James Toney can throw a mean pair of hands, has no bearing on how good he can grapple. There’s a lot of world class strikers out there that have been training in grappling for YEARS now and they still suck on the ground. Expecting a 41 year old, out of shape James Toney to magically pick it up in 6 months just because he was a great boxer in the early 1990’s is naive in the extreme.
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you realize he is 72-6
and a current champion, right? With like 20 fights in the 2000’s?
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You have no clue how Toney is as a wrestler
I don’t think its impossible for Toney to have better grappling or wrestling than Kimbo, because Kimo’s wrestling and grappling sucks.
Do I know Toney would beat him? No, its not clear at all that Kimbo takes Toney down at will or manhandles Toney once it hits the ground.
I think 6 months grappling is enough for a former world class athlete to handle Kimbo’s pathetic game. Or at least to make it a fight.
Iv never personally seen Toney's ground game...
But King Mo and Dean Lister have.
What in Kimbo’s ground game leads you to think he’d win by sub?
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by MMArazorback on Jul 30, 2010 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions
If James Toney tried to put that choke on King Mo in a fight,he’d get slammed right through the mat. If he tried to pull on Dean Lister (or anyone else’s) foot WHILE THEY HAD BACK MOUNT, he would be promptly choked until his head popped like a pimple.
But it’s training, and furthermore, it’s training for JAMES TONEY, so they slap him on the back and go “You’re awesome James!” and then go run to the media with it. These are just common things white belts do as they are first learning BJJ. If he tried any of these things in a real MMA match he’d get run over.
I’m actually praying he tries to sub Randy Couture. That will be hilarious.
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not just that, but he even said in the interview king mo dominated him 8 times (or therabouts) in a row before tony got a guillotine (and promply called it a side kick check choke or something). Meaning at best toney has a 1/8 shot of winning by choke which is still longer than the odds vegas are giving him if i am not correct?
Nogueira couldn’t submit Randy Couture. If James Toney does it, I’ll go cry in my shower.
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Like everyone else does, back to the special olympics with you now.
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King Mo was convinced that GSP was not going to be able to take down Thiago Alves, after training with Alves before UFC 100. He was out there talking about how GSP wasn’t that good of a wrestler, and how Alves would be able to stuff all his shots.
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You really believe that
Kimbo would sub JT? That is the most likely thing to happen in that fight?
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I bet his ground game is much better than Mercer’s. And from what I have heard of that fight, it was a total joke; I don’t know if it’s even valid evidence of Kimbo’s ground game
Here's the fight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZWQn-Rvg-U
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL at you thinking Kimbo is gonna stand and bang with him.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo's Not Retarded
“You ready? You ready? Let’s get it o[takedown attempt]n!”
by RearNakedSpank on Jul 29, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the condescension.
Sure, Kimbo looked good against Mercer, who was even more alien to the ground. I agree his best chance is on the ground, but he’s been also been gun-shy since losing to Seth. He looked bad against HA and bad against Meathead – where would the fire be that he’d need to beat Toney? That’s my biggest concern, honestly – not the stand-up skills. Kimbo looks timid.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 29, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ray Mercer actually has the better boxing game for MMA, since he has sick power. Toney is a tactician and has never had big power, even at 168. He was always a grinder. Ray Mercer can put one shot on you and that’s it. James Toney? Not so much.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know…people think Toney will touch Randy’s chin and he will crumple. Toney cannot even fathom the amount of energy needed to grapple with a wrestler like Couture. His arms and shoulders will be like wet noodles. Deep deep waters for Toney. The rules of boxing can’t save him. There’s no island to retreat to and throw pot shots. It’s going to be ugly for him. Couture will throw him around like a rag doll.
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by Koob on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair, Randy is pretty fragile at this point. But Toney is only going to have 10-30 seconds to land one shot on Randy before he gets his hands on him and takes him down. Anyone who’s actually watched James Toney fight before knows he’s not that kind of boxer.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 30, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Fragile?!
Did you watch the Lesnar-Nogueira-Vera fights? Brock clocked Couture numerous times before finally dropping him, Nogueira landed some bombs, and Vera has near Olympic level greco and couldn’t get a take down until late.
I know your point was that Toney has a small window to land a bomb, but stating that Randy is “fragile” is ridiculous.
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I’m saying that Randy is “fragile” in that he’s getting dropped a LOT latley. He’s been dropped by Lesnar (albeit with a shot to the back of the head), Nogueira and Vera recently. The shots Nogueira landed normally wouldn’t have even made Randy blink a few years ago- go back and watch the shots he took in the Gonzaga fight. He took flush head kicks from Gonzaga and just smiled at the man. Nogueira has good technique but not a lot of power, and he was dropping Randy all over the place. Vera kicked Randy in the body and damn near folded the man in half. A couple years ago, Randy ate HARD knees to the body from Tim Sylvia (which made him piss blood later that night) and he never flinched. Vera kicks him and he turns away in pain. This is understandable though – he’s nearly 50 now. His tolerance for damage just can’t be the same as it was a few years ago. He’s getting older now.
This all won’t matter much in the Toney fight though. Against Lesnar, Nogueria and Vera, Randy was in clinch situations well before he was ever dropped. Toney is not going to get out of the first clinch without getting taken down. From there, it’s academic.
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It could have been billed as
Black on Black Crime II: Explosive Athleticism
VS
Pro-wrestling and MMA: I have the best of both worlds.
If I may add
the pre-fight interviews would have been EXCRUCIATING to human comprehension.
Pro-wrestling and MMA: I have the best of both worlds.
Or billed as..
‘Professional Boxer’ vs ‘Street Brawler with arthritis in his knees’
Who's the man in the 2nd picture?
"The mat is my church, the ground is my heaven, Jiu-Jitsu is my religion. And once you hit the ground you're in my world..."
Kimbo vs Toney
Ahhh, what could have been. Does Toney have a gas tank to speak of? Can any boxing fans answer that for me?
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that's a headliner!
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Is Kimbo beating Toney really a coup for MMA at all?
Is Kimbo really even an “MMA fighter?” I really don’t consider him as such. I’d say Kimbo vs. Toney would do more to settle Bareknuckle brawling vs Boxing than Boxing vs. MMA.
by Trysdor on Jul 30, 2010 2:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree
Randy is a much better rep for UFC/MMA is this styles clash.
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by thetakeover on Jul 30, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar would just take him down.
Toney has never had to deal with a monster like Lesnar shooting for TD after TD. I mean how can ANY of his boxing experience help him with any of that? I almost don’t like that they are using such a legand in Cotoure to fight Toney. What if somehow he gets KO’d? How will that look for MMA? Not good.
Brock would not need to shoot for takedown after takedown on Toney. All it would take is one.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 30, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I just have this bad feeling
I think people are severely underestimating Toney. This isn’t some washed up loser has-been. This guy can still beat people down and as recently as a year and 1/2 ago he went 12 rounds. I have a really bad feeling he’s going to KO Couture. I think Couture was the wrong opponent to go with. I’d have made it with Cain Velasquez or Dos Santos. This is gonna be bad.
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i think people are over-estimating Toney's power
his win>ko ratio isn’t all that impressive…and only has TWO ko’s against HW’s in 10 years…
41, no power at HW, limited mma training, and going against a very cerebral wrestler/mma veteran are not in Toney’s favor at all. And there will be no down time in the Octagon, he can’t just lean on his opponent in the clinch in this game.
All that said, this is MMA & everyone has a punchers chance, I just don’t think Randy will give him that chance. He should have had a tune-up against Kimbo when they both had the chance to settle that score.
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I hope you’re right. I really do. I would love for Randy to choke Toney out. I just have this feeling.
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I have said this before
I think there is a 10% chance you are all going to be shocked by the outcome
They've done studies. 10% of the time, it works every time.
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Kimbo would most likely beat Toney in MMA. Randy will most definitely beat Toney in MMA. End of story!
I would seriously shit my couch, or whatever surface I happened to be sitting on, if Toney subbed Randy.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 30, 2010 6:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I want to prop bet this just so that I can scream from the highest mountain should it happen.
a kitten dies every time you compare an individual sport to a team sport.
by Marvin Malehooves on Jul 30, 2010 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll just say what you all are thinking:
If James Toney knocks out Randy Couture I will cry. =(
Toney is annoying...
I find myself terribly uninteresting in anything James Toney, except for the idea of him getting shut up. I pray that Couture finishes him quickly so we don’t have to hear him anymore.
no way dude!
id rather randy mount him early and just punch like every 3-4 seconds! blast him with sporadic shots keeping him in mount for like the entire first round and then poor it on at the end, take his back, and RNC. job done…..
That was a real kick and good for laughs and lashings of the old ultraviolent.
i'd rather see him
snap something a la Aoki, but that’s just not Couture’s demeanor
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
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