Chael Sonnen's Xenophobic Attacks on Anderson Silva Won't Make Him the Villain in UFC 117 Morality Play
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT
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Anderson Silva is the least popular fighter of his caliber in UFC history. Despite being promoted by Dana White from on high as the best fighter in the world, Silva has continued to provide the UFC sub par performances at the box office. I created a bit of a stir last week by suggesting that race and nationality play a significant part in the public's ho-hum reaction to Silva. Although some disagreed, at least one person clearly believes UFC fans prefer their fighters to be English speaking Americans. His name? Chael Sonnen.
Sonnen has already gone after Silva for his dress and "cocky" attitude, using time tested racial code words to make it obvious what he means to a subset of the sport's racist fans. But Silva's race isn't Sonnen's main target-it's his nationality. Dedrick Muhammad called Sonnen out last month at the influential Huffington Post:
In my research into the history of racism and racial inequality I found that much of white supremacist or European racism had as its justification a belief in religious superiority and what I will call civilizational superiority. Whether it was in relation to Native Americans or Africans in America, justification for mistreatment of these people were that they were pagans or non-Christian and were not as advanced as Europeans, in other words savages. Countries such as Brazil, Haiti, and Cuba, that have incorporated African religious and cultural traditions into their national identity and way of life, have long been seen as inferior for allowing non-European traditions to "taint" their respective national identities. So when Chael Sonnen spoke of the Brazilian manager Ed Soares as praying to "a demon effigy" and referred to Soares' "piglet tribe of savages," this was right in line with racist rhetoric that has been used for centuries.
Yesterday, Sonnen took the rheotoric to the next level. On The Fight Show with Mauro Ranallo, Sonnen called Portuguese, the language spoken by more than 200 million people world wide, "just a half step up from Pig Latin." It was the least ambiguous attack yet, making it clear that his opponent's nationality was a major issue with Sonnen.
In response to his antics, pro wrestling blog Cage Side Seats ranked Sonnen as one of the "Top Heels in MMA Today:"
Chael Sonnen might be trying harder to sell himself as a heel than anyone on this list. Largely regarded as a boring lay-and-pray fighter before he came to the UFC, he's reinvented himself in the UFC as the man destined to beat Anderson Silva. At least, that's what he'll tell you. He's talked more outlandish trash about Anderson Silva than can be recounted, pitching himself as a savior come to rescue the UFC from the curse of the dancing Brazilian. In the process, he's somehow generated a good deal of hype for a fight where the oddsmakers have him as a very large underdog.
I think that's missing the mark. Sonnen is manipulating fans and the media-that much is certain. But he's not doing it to be the heel (pro wrestling jargon for 'bad guy'). Chael Sonnen wants to be the knight in shining armor, rescuing the sport from the man he sees as a "gangster," part of a tribe of "savages" that speak a language "half a step up from Pig Latin." Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel. Sadly, he may be right.
UPDATE: Cageside Seats writer King Matt compares Sonnen-Silva to a legendary pro wrestling match:
Up until recently, it would have been hard to believe that Sonnen is going to be the fan favorite heading into UFC 117. The same thing could have been said about Stone Cold when his feud with Bret Hart started. Up until the age of Stone Cold, all the heroes in pro-wrestling had a squeaky clean imagine ("To all my little Hulkamaniacs, say your prayers, take your vitamins and you will never go wrong") and Bret Hart was one of those squeaky clean guys. But, Stone Cold’s I-am-going-to-do-what-I-want persona appealed to pro-wrestling fans around the world. Finally, the "switch" happened at Wrestlemania 13. Squeaky clean Bret Hart became the heel and badass Stone Cold became the hero.
Just like with Bret Hart and Stone Cold, the "switch" is happening with Chael Sonnen and Anderson Silva. As we all know, for months Sonnen has talked an enormous amount of crap about Anderson Silva. Mainly saying that Silva is a fake and an a-hole. When Sonnen first started his rants a few months ago, it was fun and original, but lately it seemed to be getting desperate and annoying. It seemed that Sonnen’s never-ending trash talking was beginning to piss of MMA fans. Then the UFC 117 conference called happened yesterday. In the span of about seven minutes, it seemed that everything Sonnen was saying about Silva was justified. Silva came off as a selfish jerk and was later torn apart by the media and fans alike.
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oh brother
Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel.
I’m willing to give him a little credit that he isn’t that stupid. More so than you, it seems =\
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 29, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly . . .
Sonnen is not, not, not, a stupid guy. He’s a Republican, and probably has a little bit of the downhome country white superiority complex I lived with in Texas, but he’s not stupid.
Literally everything he has said, since he earned his shot at Silva, has been to sell this fight. Whether Sonnen believes Portugese is an inferior language is completely irrelevant. He is saying what he is saying not to express his racial, national or linguistic superiority, but to get a bigger check when the PPV cut comes his way (or to earn that cut for being a draw the next time he fights).
Mr. Snowden, please don’t feed the trolls.
I love me some me.
by Medium Nog on Jul 29, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Mr. Snowden is feeding himself, not the trolls. Again and again he keeps trying to milk topics for every last drop of controversy. Certainly Chael Sonnen is spewing tremendous amounts of BS leading up to this fight and the racist undercurrent in some remarksis quite evident, yes. But there’s no compelling evidence that it is anything more than roleplay.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
by KGNLuc on Jul 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Roleplay or not Sonnen is playing to that audience
Does it matter if Glen Beck believes what he says? Even if it’s just to play to the “base” he’s still using racist/xenophobic/prejudice to hype this fight. It’s a tactic that hasn’t been used before, but I don’t see it as a step in the right direction for MMA. MMA already has a reputation for being a white skinhead sport, Sonnen is feeding that line of thought.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
It's a step in a horrible direction
Imagine the outrage that would come from the hypocritical media and MMA fans if Brock Lesnar starts talking about Cain’s illegal parents and how people like him shouldn’t be in America. Or how the Mexicans are breeding like rabbits and soon they will be the majority.
Everyone would shit bricks.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
So because you don't agree with what he says . . .
. . . we’re not allowed to discuss whether or not he subjectively believes it?
I love me some me.
He can believe whatever he wants
But to use a multi-billion dollar industry to voice those opinions is wrong. Do you think that the NFL,NBA,PGA, NASCAR or any other sports organization should support comments like that? It’s idiotic to suggest that because people may think a certain way that they should be able to express it through their job.
I’m sure there are people that work at McDonalds that are racist and I hope never to hear “Can we get this n****r a Big Mac?” Freedom of speech is limited when the things you say can reflect poorly upon your employer.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Again you're redirecting the issue . . .
My contention is that Jonathan Snowden is feeding a trolling Chael Sonnen. That is irrespective of the rightness or wrongness of Sonnen’s outward expression, or that whether or not his venue is appropriate.
I love me some me.
Let me be on record that I'm not a Snowden fan
I think he’s a troll of a writer, but a writer’s job is to get people interested. Look at the length of this thread? Knowing a few writers myself, Snowden may not even believe the crap that he writes. But if it gets him attention, he’ll continue to write it.
HOWEVER, I think this is a relevant topic worthy of discussion. You may agree or disagree with Snowden’s point, but the fact remains it’s a polarizing subject that people have an opinion on.
If you ignore it, it won’t go away. That doesn’t work with the school yard bully, and it doesn’t work here.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snowden is the Chael Sonnen of MMA bloggers?
And he’s writing on Chael being terrible.
This is some trippy 3rd level shit here man.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Considering how much flack you give Snowden...
Does that make you a troll troller who is trolling a troll for trolling a troll?
by truck on Jul 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How much flack I give Snowden?
What are you talking about?
Did you see the QUESTION mark? Meaning I was asking a question based on what Doc Martin said.
Oh is this based on ONE article I wrote disputing what Snowden said about Sarah Kaufman?
It’s funny because in these comment threads I’ve been accused of defending Snowden too much.
I advise you to read my post again and not JUMP. TO. CONCLUSIONS.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Snowden is the Skip Bayless of MMA writers.
And yes Snowden is Chaelesque. And to answer your other question. I don’t think that all inflammatory questions/comments are trolling. If it’s a legitimate position, and a legitimate question, then it’s not trolling. Even Snowden has an actually relevant topic gifted to him so he doesn’t have to stretch to piss people off.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But Skip Bayless was right about Lebron the whole time
Does that mean Snowden is right about Carwin?
Well he is. Hahaha.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
My bad
A few of these keyboard gangstas have been coming at my neck.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries...
I just figured I’d take your 3rd level musing and turn it into something like a 6th level musing.
apparently
you are not ready for 6th level musing, grasshopper ;)
Maybe, or he's just firing out of every cannon he can possibly find...
Of course it makes a difference in this case. It shines a totally different light on Sonnen’s character wether he believes it or not, if this is just careless trashtalk or calculated racism. Doubly so, because while his remarks have a troubling undercurrent, most of the perceived “racism” stems from the interpretation that journalists and other commenters apply to Sonnens remarks. If Sonnen was known to harbour this line of thinking, it may be “ok” to jump to the conclusion he has racist motives in saying what he says. But since there’s no evidence that Chael is of that terrible mindset it would be prudent to assume him innocent and discard it as what it possibly is: stupid banter. But of course, that wouldn’t make for too nice a headline and much less outrage.
You are right of course from the “Oh my gosh! What are Non-MMA-Fans gonna say, when they hear this?!”-perspective and that point can be made – with the proper differentiation.
To save me some time on 25% of all threads, here's the universal answer to the Fedor-debate: Fedor is the most accomplished MMA fighter ever. That is a fact. If he still is the best fighter at this point in time is up for debate.
did everyone forget what....
Sonnen said about BJJ?
that its for pussies?
Says the guy who has been tappedout like 8 times…
I dont know why but all of this is making me like Chael…
Or maybe I just want to see the guy who broke my hero’s jaw …finally lose
"It's easy to grin when ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat....But the man wortwhile is the man who can smile when his pants are too tight in the seat.." - Judge Smails
Just curious, what is it that makes you so very convinced that Sonnen isn’t stupid? I think we can all agree he probably isn’t quite as dumb as the statements he makes, but that doesn’t mean he can’t still be stupid.
by Horselover Fat on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
Maybe this is Snowden’s ‘media tweak of the day?’
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Just 29 million people a month. I’d like to have that many people “not read” me.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Only a measly 13 million unique visitors according to Compete.com for the month of June. For comparison, Fox News only had 10 million in that same time span. A lot of people are reading HP.
Mind you compete.com always under-reports.
You could safely double those numbers and be closer.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Can we stop with this already?
I’m tired of Sonnen’s speech being the only point of discussion leading up to the fight. Isn’t there anything else worthwhile to talk about? I cant wait till fight time so that this conversation ends.
By continually parsing and analyzing Sonnen, we give his BS more influence.
In internet forum speak: Let us not feed the troll.
by cyke on Jul 29, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
However, I agree with the conclusion of the post.
Its just getting tiring going over it again and again.
The fight itself isn’t anything to talk about.
Silva will most likely crush Sonnen or give him a 5 Round dancing lesson again.
Sonnen has to drum up interest
And somehow BE feels like it needs to get in on the action.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
These articles are getting ridiculous
Seems like people are constantly hunting for racism in everything people say. Especially since Sonnen is so public about his party affiliation, assumptions immediately run rampant.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
so the portuguese = pig latin comment
is just fine by you?
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by Kid Nate on Jul 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That’s not “hunting” for prejudice. In this case prejudice came to the door, knocked, then handed you a rifle…then posed with a giant shit eating grin.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Sure it's offensive
Wouldn’t call it racist.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Come on, the implication here is obvious that you’re calling Sonnen a racist. It’s even tagged at the bottom of the article.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The attack was on his nationality here, not his race. That was earlier when he called Brazilians savages and played the “gangsta” card.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
This is going nowhere fast
I’ll give you credit Mr. Snowden you have a talent for getting tons of attention to your posts.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Also worth mention:
His quote saying “Brazil isn’t a bowing culture. You bow to somebody in Brazil and they’ll hit you over the head and take your wallet.”
Sonnen is clearly making nationality an issue out of this. But so is the UFC with the heavy Brazil vs. US matchmaking, which I feel is a noteworthy element as well.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
The UFC hasn't mentioned one word of Brazil vs USA
Not in advertising, not in posters. This isn’t like UFC: USA vs Canada.
By attacking Silva’s nationality, it’s is also a subtle attack at his race and culture.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oops
Looked a little further down in the comments. Looks like that may not be an official poster…
Nevermind. I fail.
by grizzlyatoms on Jul 29, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Fanmade poster
The actual COMPANY of the UFC hasn’t said shit.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Just noticed
Still, it looks like the usual bang-up job the UFC usually puts out. ha
by grizzlyatoms on Jul 29, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a very good poster and frankly, I don't know WHY the US hasn't played this angle up
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got no problem with that poster
I had no problems with US vs UK either. But I would have gotten tired if the “I’m going to kick that redcoat wearing, no dentist having, tea and crumpet eating limey bastards ass like we did in 1776” angle had been used to promote it.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
There’s a right way to play up country rivalries (Olympic style, USA vs Canada was nice) and a wrong way.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh
I’ve seen worse. But the sepia color of all the American’s is a bit distracting. But I completely agree that they should play this up. Nothing wrong with healthy rivalry.
Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.
-- Frank Zappa
by grizzlyatoms on Jul 29, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't you get the sepia?
It reminds you of the good old days when everything was white with the world. Baseball and cracker jacks. Babe Ruth was the best baseball play and people didn’t even know what a dunk was.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
I really miss those days when us white folk were extremely priveleged and…
oh wait.
Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.
-- Frank Zappa
by grizzlyatoms on Jul 29, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Aww. I know what'll make you feel better.
Shoe shine boss?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Actually, while you're up, maybe you could favor us with a dance number!
;-)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the soft shoe
….but after all this Anderson Silva talk, I was hoping for some shucking and jiving.
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I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
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Shuffle heel-toe STEP
He needed some chaines in there but I don’t think he’s….uh, athletic enough.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have that extra muscle in his leg?
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He's not explosive
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Now who could we find that could do all that...
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Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
DING DING DING
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Article was a spoof because this hasn't been advertised by The UFC at all or this picture
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
Like I said, it's the matchmaking, not overt marketing.
But people will notice. What do you want to bet that a “USA!” chant erupts at least three times during the main card? Sig bet?
And yeah, I agree completely that it’s an attack on his culture, but not a subtle one. He said “They aren’t a bowing culture” before implying it’s a culture of thievery and mugging. That’s pretty direct.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
What does that have to do with Sonnen?
I doubt he’s even pieced together it’s all USA vs all Brazil.
And when has the crowd chanted USA against his opponent? Never.
Saying they aren’t a bowing culture is correct, but Anderson’s bows don’t come from Brazilian culture, it comes from his love of Oriental culture.
Him following that up saying they will rob you. C’mon son, how do you not see it?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
People don't see it because they don't want to see it
They see comments as “not really racist” because they themselves have similar lines of thought and don’t see a problem with it. People are in denial that they’ve got racist tendencies at all. The line that crosses into racism is almost always a subjective line that is a few ticks further than where said persons “line” is.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's why articles like this get so many comments
A lot of people get upset when you dare bring up race.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I... wait, what?
Slow your roll buddy, I’m pretty sure we’re on the same side. I’m saying that Sonnen isn’t being as subtle as people think and it’s clearly xenophobic. I’ve been sketchy about him since the beginning of this whole shit-talk fest. I’m pretty sensitive on issues of race, both intellectually and personally, having been a victim of race related violence myself.
Let me tell you though, and I’ve said this over and over again in race discussions on this site: There are fighters who haven’t publicly given you any good reason to doubt them who are racist little shits. Names will not be named, but I’ve heard awful things come out of these guys mouths.
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Man I'm getting posts mixed up, shit is blurry. Hahaha
Yeah I’ve heard some things about a couple fighters (including one of my favs :()
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
making an ocean out of a sink. he’s promoting a fight. if he were black, this would be a non issue.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no he's made some pretty overtly racist comments
pygmy dancing…white man’s burden and all
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rampage vs Rashad race subject was quite an issue
So, even when there are two black Americans that get into the realm of racism, it’s still an issue. So is it making an ocean out of a sink, or just pointing out the elephant in the room?
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
do you really care that much? i personally find the tones, meter, and pitch for several languages to be unattractive. its his own viewpoint, and a ridiculous thing to get upset over.
expressing pride in being american= xenophobic
expressing pride in being anything else= nationalist
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is a difference in expressing pride in yourself
and degrading the differences your nation has with others.
the part “phobic” in xenophobic derives from “an irrational fear of”. I’m going to assume you knew that and chose to ignore it. I love being an American, I love things that are American. I don’t need to belittle other nationalities to get that point across. I think that’s a weak point you made about xenophobia and being a nationalist.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Um
I don’t consider the Huffington Post “influential.”
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
It’s one of the 50 most read websites in America. That’s pretty influential.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
White Man Here
The consensus in my household — 1 White Male (Irish/Italian/Greek/German), 1 Half-Mexican and Half-French female, and our 2-year-old daughter — is that we’d like to See Anderson Silva brutalize Sonnen for 4 rounds, constantly bringing the fight to the cusp of TKO but then easing off to let him live, and then in round 5 we’d like to see his fist actually get stuck in Sonnen’s caved-in eye socket.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
by IKilled007 on Jul 29, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
White Man Here
And the consensus in my household— 1 White Male (Czech) and 1 Brazillian (gorgeous), and we also want to see Chael get bopped into last week a la Angry Beavers.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Negro here
And the consensus in my houshold — 1 strapping Negro and 1 curvy Afro-Latin from Argentina is “Kick his monkey ass Silva.”
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Consensus in my household
One white man, one white woman and two white kids all wish people would shut the hell up about Chael and go back to playing highlight reels of Anderson knocking fools out until we can add Chael clips into the mix.
(Well, the wife and kids don’t actually care, but I’m voting on their behalf.)
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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because women don't get to vote
amirite?
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by pdl on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
HELL YEAH.
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LOL
Media’s gotta have something to talk about.
Frankly, this fight sucks balls.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhhhhhh
I’m trying to maintain a suspension of disbelief over here.
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Whitey Here
Half irish half greek
married to a half white half filipina girl
I don’t really care who wins, as long as Anderson doesn’t put on a dance party again. Either Anderson via sick KO/sub or Chael via deus ex machina.
by Jeremiah Johnson. on Jul 29, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael via M Night Shyamalan Plot Twist
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
If a bunch of trees try to poison Silva
I’m gonna be fucking pissed.
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i think if chael subs silva
that would be an m night twist. I didn’t see the last airbender- what was the twist? He’s actually a firebender or something?
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it turns out that all the whiteys they cast were actually secret Asians.
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god damn you shyamalan
i will not see another one of your claptrap films. Lady in the Water…my god.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
More whiteness here...but no consensus
1 white man (God only knows what mix) + 1 white woman (also unknown combo) and 4 white kids (God only knows + unknown = ???)
I want Sonnen to take him down repeatedly and control him before finally getting submitted – just to show how a better MMA wrestler (like you-know-who) might beat him.
Anderson is my kids (all girls) favorite fighter (along with Jon Jones) – they all want AS to KHTFO in the first.
My wife couldn’t give 2 shits about the fight (or MMA in general), but says “don’t bet the ranch”…to which I replied, what the fuck, its just a ranch…
Bottom line…the family that gambles together…
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Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 29, 2010 7:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't really know what relevence it has... but FWIW I too am Whitey...
The consensus in my household — 1 White Male (Irish/Czeck/English/German in no particular order), 1 Chinese female (gorgeous / pregnant) we also want to see Sonnen get his face caved in and his hands broken so there will be no more talking or tweeting.
Mind you… I am from Canada and the “I am American”, “I am better than everyone else” bit that Sonnen is pulling doesn’t usually get receive too well here at the best of times.
Everyone I know (white yellow and brown friends) wants to see Sonnen lose in devastating fashion.
On another note… Lots of multi cultural relationships going on here…
asian...nice truck!
i also can’t believe Chael got away with that pygmy savage joke, or that portuguese is a step away from pig latin. None of this is subtle, this is overt, over the top, racism. The only thing worse would have been if Chael said “Hey Anderson! BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!”
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
the “piglet tribe of savages” has been heavily over analyzed. i personally just took it as an insult to soares and the fighters he employs. by the demon effigy comment, he was calling soares the devil, and making an analogy that they’ll do whatever he says.
but since he’s a white republican, of COURSE its racist
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
eh, maybe
but I just can’t wrap my mind around it. Its pretty racist, whether or not you take it out of context. Pygmy savages is a direct reference to the white man’s burden, and Chael may have said that not realizing this, but its hard to imagine he didn’t. Either way…he’s got people talking!
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
he said piglet, if i'm not mistaken
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah but he was referring to pygmy. He meant to say pygmy he's just an idiot
piglet doesn’t make sense haha.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
That kind of looks like Ed Soares.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
so now you’re putting words in his mouth. he said what he said. he said piglet, refering to small pigs. nothing in that sentence was racist, but people make it so.
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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
ok so tell me, what is a piglet group of savages amadeus?
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
you’re trying to be funny, but sounding stupid. i explained it before.
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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
chillbro
you personally took it to mean an insult to soares and the fighters he employs…please explain then. what does soares have to do with piglet savages? Too translate: Little Indian pigs burning an effigy of Ed Soares? Seems to be reaching to me, especially when you take his other comments into context.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
he’s making an analogy that soares is a demigod and the blackhouse fighters are his disciples. pretty simple in my mind.
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by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
“Ed [Soares], pray to whatever Demon effigy you prance and dance in front of with your piglet tribe of savages that I decide not to CRUCIFY you.”
He is telling Soars to pray to a Demon effigy.
AKA
What ever lord Soares pray to is Demonic
Piglet tribe of savages
AKA
Pygmy or disgusting tribe of savages
Savages has obvious racial tinges
CRUCIFY you
Crucifiction obviously has ideas of religion behind it.
CRUCIFY you
I think Chael is just saying he’s gonna beat the love of JHC into him.
"It's easy to grin when ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat....But the man wortwhile is the man who can smile when his pants are too tight in the seat.." - Judge Smails
wow I've never broken it down before
but that’s just plain, overt racism.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
They are two racial tinged ideas that are not part of every day speak
for anyone I have ever met. Add them together in one thought that is referring to brown foreigners and you know what you are doing.
“but since he’s a white republican, of COURSE its racist”
The fact that he was in politics should make him more guarded against saying such ignorant things.
Speaker For The Dead by Orson Scott Card
is where Chael strangely got his piglet tribe of savages thing.
To anyone who hasn’t read the book, check it out. It’s the second book of the Ender’s game series. Basically, you have a tribe of South American piglets called pequenos who speak Portugese and end up killing people.
by Paul Stan on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so, if he’s referring to that, is there anything racist about what he’s saying?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Orson Scott Card has been called a racist and many other things.
It isn’t a simple issue, this whole Chael race-speak thing.
by E_liminatorjr on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m impressed. You actually solved that riddle.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll rec any reference to the Ender’s Game series haha
I don’t really think of Chael as a sci-fi kinda guy, but who knows.
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
If you scroll up, you'll find a post that breaks down what Chael said
it ain’t got shit to do with Ender’s Game.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah....
…You’ve obviously read the critiques of the Ender series that point out that the whole thing is an apologia for Hitler, yes?
Hey, is Chael Mormon? That’s a pretty Utah-sounding name…
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not piglets, pygmies.
unless this book is like animal farm.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the "piglet tribe of savages" has been heavily over analyzed. i personally just took it as an insult to soares and the fighters he employs. by the demon effigy comment, he was calling soares the devil, and making an analogy that they’ll do whatever he says.
but since he’s a white republican, of COURSE its racist
The fact that you can’t fathom how this is racially tinged and offensive illustrates how out of touch you are in regard to race. Believe me, anyone of color or of a minority population in this country would deem that racially offensive.
by bleve_ on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Truck = living the dream
I <3 Asian women
by SplitBreast on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
You really should
post a pic!
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Of what?
Of him loving Asian women?
Yeah, I’ll pass.
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Asian women have like nagative ass
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Racist.
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Ouch
Really? You said she was gorgeous… what’s creepy about asking to see a pic of your gorgeous woman? It’s not like I asked if you guys were swingers and interested in swapping or something. Sheesh.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Okay, if you guys ARE swingers
then I’m a little more interested.
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You mean
him, not me, right?
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
No offense but you don't type like somebody cute.
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Hahahaha
None taken!
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I'm like EHarmony!
Look at me bringing lovebirds together. Make love not war!
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Pause
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Isn't your lady curvy?
You should post a pic too.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Of course she is
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
what’s creepy about asking to see a pic of your gorgeous woman
FWIW I don’t really think that you are a creep, but I do find the idea of posting / sharing / comparing GF pics to be a bit odd and slightly creepy…
Especially since she is with child… I would feel like I am somehow sharing the unborn unwilling baby with strangers…
Well obviously
I would much rather have seen a pic of her pre-pregnancy… I wouldn’t have said anything if you hadn’t mentioned she was gorgeous. But anyway, I hope I didn’t offend you or anything — I didn’t mean to.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
OK Cool
in that case. Can I see a pic of your hot wife? ;)
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Wow, congratulations!
Who’s the father? :-P
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This is taking parts of what he’s saying and warping it to fit your conclusion again. 95% of the other shit he says doesn’t fit into the mold of what you’re saying. It’s a stretch, to put it mildly.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel."
I disagree. I think he is clearly trying to be a bad guy.
If it does end up with some sort of Hero following, that really is kind of sad.
I would hope that racist America would not be in the majority.
Nah. He's trying for the hero role
An anti-hero
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know
Lots of mixed feelings on this site. I’m loving listening to Chael push the limits. I also like watching the Jersey Shore, so what do I know?
Trainwrecks are funny. Calling Portugese a step up from pig latin is gross, offensive, and horrible. That’s my official stance. (It’s also kind of funny.)
It doesn’t matter anyways. Chael is going to need a dustpan to clean up his teeth after round 2.
Christ, I find myself agreeing with Mr. Snowden. Shoot me now.
In all seriousness, Sonnen is a classic modern bigot, dancing around the line but being careful not to go over it. At the very least, he’s obviously a homophobe.
This is actually another sign of pro-wrestling influence on MMA.
Does anyone remember Bobby “The Brain” Heenan’s attacks on Tito Santana’s Mexican heritage?
Or the WWE trotting out Russian and Iranian wrestlers to insult the US and draw attention?
The Nation of Domination?
by MMABookworm on Jul 29, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I was planning on writing something tomorrow about that
And Bobby Heenen was the first dude I thought off.
MMA fans acceptance of Chael’s “trash talking” shows their hypocrisy.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus
Stayin away from this one, but I don’t agree with this
RIP Phil Harris. I'll miss you man
by II SMASH II on Jul 29, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I still don’t like that you associate someone talking about someone looking/dressing like a gangster or baggy/sagging pants is being racist. When I judge someone that dresses like that it doesn’t matter what race they are or appear to be I still think negatively of them just based on their choice of wardrobe.
You can use the same thing with someone that dresses goth or emo. The majority that do dress that way or would be labeled as such are white but there are other races that dress the same I categorize them the same as the white goth kids.
It is human nature to base judgement based on someone’s appearance. It is a survival mechanism. Can some people get it wrong? Yes. What Chael is calling out about Anderson is that he is a poser more then anything. He dresses in a way to portray himself as something that he is not and if Anderson really feels that he is then he should live up to it and quite playing around.
They’re all playing around. It is a sport fight.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually it’s a UFC fight. Chael only promotes SportFight, doesn’t compete in them.
Yes, that was the best joke I could come up with. My comedy career is now over.
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Maybe a bad choice of words but my point is I don’t think Chael is being racist when he was refering to the way Anderson dresses. I don’t think Anderson really dresses that “gangster” relative to people I’ve been around.
that in and of itself is not racist
and i didn’t take it as racism when i first heard it. But when he started referring to anderson as a pygmy (or in his silly term, piglet), i took it to mean racism. Its like the Scott Peterson Case: No hard evidence, but plenty of circumstantial.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it's pretty racist
If Anderson Silva were a white guy you’d be more likely to refer to him as a Tony Hawk or even Lance Armstrong rather than a gangster.
We can agree to disagree if this statement was racist, but I hope we can agree that Sonnen is quite out of touch when it comes to identifying gang attire. Unless gangsters dress differently in Oregon. I think when Sonnen was being more vague he was more likely to strike a chord with people that have minor Xenophobic/racist tendencies, but the further he’s gone, the harder it is for borderline Xenophobes to follow in rank.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
As for the piglet or pygmy thing. It is not an outright racist attack. He is basically calling Ed Soares evil and his fighters as his little followers. I understand that people can take offense to it as being racist but I think it more speaks to the naivety of racism in his remark for Chael to say something like that. If someone is truely a racist and doesn’t want someone to think they are they usually go out of their way not to say something racist. If they are racist and don’t care then they are usually a lot more blunt about it. Considering Chael is running for public office I would assume if he is a racist that he’d being going more out of his way to make sure he doesn’t say something to out him. When racism isn’t at the forefront of your thought process sometimes you can unintentionally say things that are offensive to another race and not even realize it.
I do feel most of what Chael says if for shock value and the media is playing right along.
No, you're wrong
He included Ed Soares in the group worshiping the devil.
"Ed [Soares], pray to whatever Demon effigy you prance and dance in front of with your piglet tribe of savages that I decide not to CRUCIFY you."
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
shits fucked up. Chael's racist or he's pretending to be to hype a fight.
which is…stupid.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather have a straight up racist than a pretender
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
A racist is just a fool. You can ignore fools.
A pretender is somebody smart enough to use those fools for a purpose. You’ve got to watch that guy.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
but a true racist
with bad intentions will murder your ass for being a different color. A pretender would say a lot but never act on his actions.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
sources close to sonnen said he picked this as his walk out outfit.
by hatersgonnahate on Jul 29, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not enough Skulls
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the World's Best Article
using all the time tested racial code words
All of them? ALL of them? Really? I understand the tactic of using hyperbole in writing, but stuff like this is what makes some people uncomfortable with labeling bloggers as journalists.
by RearNakedSpank on Jul 29, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
funny
given that so many of the “mma journalists” are on the take from promoters either indirectly or under the table.
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I Meant in General
Yeah, I’m aware of that controversy. I meant in general that bloggers have difficulty getting acceptance as legitimate news sources.
And really, I think my bloggers/journalist comment above is probably a little unfair because this post is clearly opinion (which I enjoy reading as much as “informational” posts).
I just think when calling a public figure a “racist” people in general and especially journalists should be careful and saying he’s used all the codewords when he hasn’t is careless.
by RearNakedSpank on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
So wait
When Dana says you bloggers get paid for rankings, it’s slanderous bullshit, but you can paint MMA journalists with the same broad brush?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
in the comments as a casual aside yeah
not something i’m going to back up. just get tired of the journalists are so wonderful bullshit.
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I have been all for arguing with Snowden on many occasions...
But some of this odd little nit picking blows my mind.
Usually I agree
In my defense, this is my first foray into the Snowden 5 Minutes of Hate, but this doesn’t seem “minor” to me. He’s making the assertion that Sonnen is racist. It just seems that when flinging such serious accusations it’s important to bring the facts.
“Uppity” is the first “codeword” that springs to mind and Sonnen hasn’t said that. There are a few others that I look out for and he hasn’t said any of them.
I agree that many of Sonnen’s comments can fall securely in the “insensitive” category, but not quite racist. I’ll grant nationalistic and xenophobic.
by RearNakedSpank on Jul 29, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on what I've seen and heard
I think Sonnen is an ignorant racist ass.
I don’t think Snowden said that though.
Uppity is an old codeword. It's too obvious
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny how upset "certain" groups get where you add possible racism to the mix
GO AWAY RACISM GO AWAY
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i’m so tired of it being brought up every time there is a subject like this. or like recently, when jesse jackson implied that Gilbert’s response was a slave master mentality, and Michael Wilbon agreed with it. that is just RIDICULOUS.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I like that a post like this helps shine the light of truth on some of the bigots in our community.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
calling me a bigot?
because i think that jackson continually says controversial things to get media attention and cause a divide in our country?
That’s ridiculous. Because i’m white, and i don’t agree, I’m a bigot.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
You have a clear grasp on the formula.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
He clearly was referring to his "post" meaning the article
And how the comments section shows some of the true bigots.
That was in response to your question about “bring it up every time”.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
also, for all you f*cking know, i could be asian, african, or anything else. I could make my username “black amadeus” and parade around like i’m black, because it’s the internet, and we will never meet.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You're getting upset over nothing, you misinterpreted what he said
This has moved into the realm of hilarity. You’re showing your hand here.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just confused as to how
you’re an MMA fan and yet you watch/read/listen to Michael Wilbon.
He’s the enemy.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
that is the only dislike i have for PTI. other than that, i love the show. but it does irk me how they don’t even give it a chance.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It probably irks everyone on this site the same way. The way they “analyzed” the Kimbo vs Shamrock matchup was atrocious.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree
The format of the show and the personalities are actually pretty good. But they are way too closed-minded and toe the company line too often.
Its actually the attractiveness of their personalities that makes what they do that much more devastating to the sport. They seem likeable, so you want to agree with them. But then they try to convince you that what TO had for breakfast is important or that who Derek Jeter marries matters. And when they say MMA is too violent without having seen it, it harms the sport. They are not only swaying opinions, they are deciding for America what sports and what parts of sports are important.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If I close my eyes...it'll go away
I can’t stand Jesse Jackson, but Gilbert acted like a scorned 14 year old girlfriend. I could see the argument for a slave owner betrayed by his my trusted house slave.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
but do you agree that jackson says purposely inflammatory things, and this is causing a further divide in the country?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
What does this have to do with MMA?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys are going to have to let the Jackson/Gilbert thing go
It’s WAY off topic.
thanks
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Amadeus Jesse Jackson is irrelevant to this topic
Because Jackson exploits any opportunity he can to inject himself into the media, and that opportunity is exclusively based on black exploitation that relates to this how? That both Jackson and Sonnen pander to the inner bigotry of people?
I don’t think you’re making a point against Sonnen being racist, you just crossed over and said “if a black guy can do it, so can a white guy”
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
If he's trying to compare Jackson and Sonnen as inflammatory bigots, I agree
But he just brought Jackson up bcause he was upset at talking about race
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yup. and this is us letting it go now.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agreed with Jesse Jacskon. My family is from the deep south, a very small town in. Louisiana. I was raised in California and when I would visit there was a noticeable difference in how the blacks acted around the whites. Very 60’s feel. I believe I am a little more sensitive than most to the race issue. I don’t look for racism but there are a lot of racist undertones in Chael Sonnens comments. I know I’m going to get bashed for this, but there are many white supremacists groups in Oregon. Maybe he’s playing to his crowd.
by pr0f3ssor on Jul 29, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
From the top down and the bottom up
Hibbity bippity bippity
I’M talkin about X!
X as in famous civil rights leader Malcom X
X as in the band X and not the brand X
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
scientifically, there is no such thing as race
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
Who are you so wise in the ways of science?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
its the truth. “race” is a sociologically ascribed concept to refer to the difference in our phenotypes.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
this is very much true
but also doesn’t mean anything. Call it what you will, “Difference in Phenotypes” or “Race”, its still prejudice
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
ya I really don’t understand your point all you did was define race.
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
Race doesn't exist but the concept of race does
Wrap your head around that one.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn’t make race any less real…
by CaptainKneebar on Jul 29, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
CHAEL TURNED ME INTO A NEWT!
I got better…
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe that settles it.
The only way to tell if Sonnen is racist is to test his wieght against that of a Duck.
When you have to resort to scientific technicalities
You’re missing the point.
Sociologically speaking; just like with Sonnens words, you need to look beyond the words that are being spoken and gather the intent behind them. Taken individually they mean little if anything, taken as a whole it becomes part of an undeniable pattern. Because the line of racism/xenophobia is blurred in the technical sense, it doesn’t mean that the comments aren’t wrong. Because it doesn’t fit the textbook definition of the word being described, does that make it any less discriminatory?
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. There's no "scientific merit in race", however, the sociological ramifications of it exist
It was created by WHites to subjugate other “racial groups”, deeming many of them “less than human” in order to justify the mistreat ment of those groups.
And it lingers on.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
scientifically
a rock is made up of more empty spaces than not, yet it’s still a rock…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
I think that’s missing the mark. Sonnen is manipulating fans and the media-that much is certain. But he’s not doing it to be the heel (pro wrestling jargon for ‘bad guy’). Chael Sonnen wants to be the knight in shining armor, rescuing the sport from the man he sees as a “gangster,” part of a tribe of “savages” that speak a language “half a step up from Pig Latin.” Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel.
Please check out this video interview here from April where Sonnen pretty much admits he’s doing schtick and is deeply embellishing things. This is a man who had a standing invitation to WCW after going through their Power Plant program in 1998, only for them to go out of business in 2001 before he graduated college. Maybe just maybe he was either a wrestling fan or at least watched quite a bit of it in anticipation of being a wrester some day?
Is he bigot? Quite possibly, but as a guy who was a hardcore wrestling nerd for about 10 years before finally getting sick of it, it’s overwhelmingly obvious to me that he’s aping various wrestlers’ heel routines. His “Knight In Shining Armor Coming To Rescue MMA” is basically Chris Jericho coming to rescue the WWE from mediocrity. His xenophobia is any number of people.
I don’t really care much who actually emerges as the victor, so long as we are not subjected to five rounds of LNP from Chael or So You Think You Can Dance from Andy. A great fight and/or finish will hopefully put all this other nonsense to bed, once and for all.
by Velcro on Jul 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Chael Sonnen spoke of the Brazilian manager Ed Soares as praying to “a demon effigy” and referred to Soares’ “piglet tribe of savages,” this was right in line with racist rhetoric that has been used for centuries.
Talk about code words from the past, these quotes of Sonnen’s totally sound like he’s reading from HP Lovecraft’s infamous Horror at Red Hook.
"Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel. Sadly, he may be right."
You seem to have a very low opinion of MMA fans. (This also came through in your previous article, where you wrote that “racism . . . plays no small part in Silva’s failures at the marketplace.”) Do you really feel that MMA fans are more racist than fans of other sports, and if so, what is your evidence? And where is the evidence that any fans have responded positively to Sonnen’s rants (which I agree are racist)?
FWIW, I found this piece that discusses the demographics of MMA fans:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7497139/Investing-in-MMA-Industry-Report-Oct-27-2008
It says MMA fans are younger and more affluent than those who follow any other major American sport. I do not associate those factors with increased racism.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Why wouldn't you attribute youth and money to racism?
As for youth, have you read some of the comments on Youtube? Most of those are young adults.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s controversial to say that younger Americans are more likely to more accepting of other races. As for the affluence, I associate that with more education, which in my mind would tend to mean less racism.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
It would be to me, they are just able to hide it easier
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This is absolutely true.
The more educated have greater vocabulary to hide their bigotry. I’ve heard affluent WASPs say they didn’t want to move to a certain, equally affluent community because it was “too homogeneous.” What they were really saying was the other town was too Jewish.
Subtext matters a lot.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Well struck...spoken like one all too familiar with those circles
What is typically thought of as “racism” is very yester-year among the worldly wealthy, both old-money and new.
Depending on the particulars of the people, it ranges from evidence (to everyone else) that one belongs among the ignorati to being truly socially unacceptable (in its most literal sense).
Sadly however, anti-semitism is always fashionable in such circles…
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer
Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 29, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well we can agree to disagree.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1480/millennials-accept-iinterracial-dating-marriage-friends-different-race-generations
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Pisspoor sample size
Aldo being accepting of interracial marriage doesn’t mean you aren’t racist.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Or I have a real outlook on things
If you’re going to show me a “study” to disprove that youths are still as bgoted as they were a few years ago, you’re gonna have to come stronger than that.
The examples are everywhere. Peruse youtube.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the comments on youtube represent a general mood of the youth in any culture.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The racism has to come from somewhere?
Are you saying they go on Youtube and act racist just because and dont feel that way in real life? There’s still a very significant portion of this country that is bigoted.
Have you ever been on Xbox live? If you have a Black avatar you are called all types of shit.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe they are just more vocal than non-racists
If I see a youtube video featuring a black person, I dont make a comment about how i am accepting of all races. But I guess racists feel the need to express their racism, while non-racists don’t express their non-racism.
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
^ This
In general (in everything) it is the people on either end of the spectum that do the most talking.
not to mention the anonymity a person has on youtube.
by PetrozellisJab on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If I see a youtube video featuring a black person, I dont make a comment about how i am accepting of all races. But I guess racists feel the need to express their racism, while non-racists don’t express their non-racism.
The sheer number is an indicator that it’s still a big problem.
not to mention the anonymity a person has on youtube.
Why would a non-racist person go on the net and act racist? That makes no sense.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
If you want to explain the way black teenagers act,
I’ll take a stab at white teenagers, but I think we’ll both end up feeling embarrassed and confused.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Oh man, don't get me started on those lil niglets
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
See, that's what I'm talking about.
Kids: fuck ’em.
(NOT LIKE THAT. JEEZ.)
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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Why would a non-racist person go on the net and act racist?
1. They’re pussies
2. The only purpose of shit talking is to inflame
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I think that’s part of it anyway. I also think it just depends where you’re at. For a similar example – Any time I look at a political article on Yahoo, the comments filled with hateful right-wingers. But, if I read the same type of story on MSN I’ll see tons of hateful liberals.
I meet more cool people on Xbox live than racists or homophobes, they’re just not as vocal. Vocal minority I guess.
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by grizzlyatoms on Jul 29, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Again I agree with BL
If you’ve ever been on Xbox live the the two synonyms for “idiot/jerk/etc.” is “n***r/f***t”. If you don’t think intolerance runs wild with our youth, get an Xbox live account and play Modern Warfare 2 with your mic on in a few lobbies.
Racism is alive and well, words aren’t in and of themselves racist/xenophobic, attitudes are. Sonnen’s attitude falls in line with that. (The only difference between racism and xenophobia is whether or not they’re here or there).
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Call
I remember Rampage talking about how he couldn’t do X-Box live with fans anymore because of all the racist crap.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I will admit. People on there can be pretty bad.
Some is not all though and it isn’t the majority of people that are complete and utter tools.
A vocal minority will ruin a silent majority
You see a video of a bad cop, they’re all corrupt assholes. You see a few unruly Raider fans and they’re all criminals.
A step beyond that is when people already have a predisposed idea of what a certain group is, and a person will ignore a hundred contacts without incident to the one incident that confirms what they previously held as a belief.
It’s like when you get a new car, or are interested in one, suddenly they’re all over the road. Or have they been there the whole time?
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Except that white teenagers are actually insufferable.
Seriously, you wouldn’t want to spend 10 minutes with my teenager. :-)
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On XBOX live
I have heard just as many people tear down those ignorant ass holes as I have heard preaching the ignorance.
What games do you play?
Is there an MLK, the video game?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Truck
I believe you’ve got the “racism doesn’t exist because people are aware of it” syndrome. A great example of it are “non-racist” supporters of a certain states anti-immigration law (that shall remain nameless due to the probable inflammatory response). People will argue that it’s not racist to potentially violate the freedoms and rights of legal citizens for the “greater good” of removing illegals.
Racism exists and it’s still rampant. Just because some people set the bar low as to what qualifies, doesn’t mean that the issue isn’t alive and well.
If you objectively look at the things Sonnen has said, you can’t say that his comments don’t qualify as bigoted at the very least. If you can’t see that tons of people buy his line of rhetoric (or at least don’t find a problem with it) then you’ve got your eyes shut.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I got distracted
The first two paragraphs were meant for you Truck, then I got distracted, came back and wrote the third based on many others comments.
I apologize for lumping you in on that one, and for being ADD. I won’t apologize for the first two paragraphs, but the third wasn’t meant for you.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The first two paragraphs...
aren’t at all a reflection of me, what I’ve said or how I feel and don’t really relate to anything I have said.
Racism does exist. I fucking hate racist people.
I also get sad when people look at the war as hopeless.
I have been Sonnen hating all throughout the thread.
Hater.
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I hate ignorance.
and it seems as though Sonnen is either a product or a producer of ignorance. there are very few things that piss me off, racism and abuse against women top my list.
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I tell him, “The only thing I hate is injustice.”
Someday I’ll have a lot of explaining to do when he finds out how I feel about the Packers.
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So the increase of multicultural relationships
is not representative of any decreased bigotry?
Is there gonna be a new generation of half / half bigots?
Why would it necessarily mean that?
What if it make someone else twice as racist?
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No, but some other asshole sees the family and gets double racist!
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Dude!
We can’t give up on assholes. They’re clearly our nation’s future! Look at how many of them there are!
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or they have this man
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
First off all, you have to look at the methodlogy of the "survey"
The question wasn’t "Do you like interracial marriages, it was “Would you be fine with a family member marrying someone from another racial group”. Quite the different question.
I know a few people (Black, Hispanic and White oh, and Asian) who have no problem with interracial marriages but still have very bigoted views about other races. The logic is, if your family member is getting married, then they must be in love.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that acceptance and occurrence has increased
has to be a sign that ideologies are improving.
Slightly Off Topic...
But I’ve read studies how the increase in interracial marriage has been composed largely of marriages between Asian and Whites(specifically Asian women and White Men). This is because Asians, as a whole, are considered to be more “white” than hispanics and blacks
by CaptainKneebar on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really
I see it like this. 10 years ago, I was against gay marriage. A few years later, I was all for it. I didn’t become any more or less tolerant of gay people, my feelings on that one issue changed.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But
You started out being pretty tolerant of gay people, right? You may not feel especially welcoming of them, but unless you want sodomy to be illegal, you’re probably on their side.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, anybody against sodomy needs to see all the things included.
Cause that’s some of my favorite stuff right there.
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Uhhhhhh, lemme just say I don't agree with the lifestyle
but I don’t engage in gay-bashing.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think not agreeing with the lifestyle says all we need to know about his feelings toward gays.
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by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, he doesn't dislike gays
It’s just the lifetsyle – you know, spending so much on the fashionable clothes, watching Sex & The City marathons, having a really tidy house.
I think we can all understand that.
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Ahahahaha
But seriously, I have no problem with gay people at all. I also don’t agree with people who smoke weed, i hate that lifestyle too. That doesn’t make me hate the person though.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t born a pothead. My brother was born gay.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some agree with that, some don't
It was just an example of hating a lifestyle and liking the person.
Sub out weed, sub in extremely fat women.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you’d have to be a pretty severe masochist to choose to be gay in today’s world.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he's not saying it's a choice.
Maybe those people aren’t born gay: somebody is making them gay!
I blame their brothers.
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Ahahaha
Or “Uncle”.
“Come get some candy boy”
Wait, I just “got” what you were saying. Hahaha. I laughed again.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say I believed that, I said some people did
You’d have to be pretty masochist to be a Muslim in America these days.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
I was sick to death of Muslims before the rest of you caught up.
“Listen buddy: I DON’T WANT TO BUY A BEAN PIE. I DON’T LIKE BEAN PIES! I’M JUST TRYING TO GET TO THE STORE!”
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The NOI is the worst
I told one a few years back “If it’s the Final Call, why the hell do you have new ones every gotdamn month?”
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
See people:
This is the American story: people of different races and different backgrounds getting together to hate some entirely third group.
And their dumb ties.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Damn right.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I can see why you'd hate the fat woman lifestyle
Driving those tiny cars, wearing those tight clothes, shopping at Lane Bryant. Those chicks get on my nerves too.
Wait, what?
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You're a weighist
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't even remember which of the shit I wrote in this post I believe in and which was jokes.
But my BMI is over 30, so I think I get a pass.
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You're the worst kind of weighist
The Clayton BIGsby of weightists.
YSWIJDT
Hahaha
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh shit, did Subo just out his brother?
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Love != Smoking weed
not even close
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by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You must not hang out with potheads. Some of them seriously love weed
And it was just an example.
How about this? Men who love and fuck BBBWs. I sure as FUCK don’t agree with that shit, yet I wouldn’t dislike someone if they did it.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If all you mean by not agree
is that you would not do it yourself, thats fine.
But to me (and I assume others), it sounds like you are saying you don’t approve of it, which is ridiculous whether you substitute men, fat women, asian women, blondes, etc.
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by PapaBumpants on Jul 29, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would it sound as anything outher that "I wouldn't do it myself"
Cuz that’s what it means. In addition, most people don’t approve of things they don’t do. You can “not approve” of something and that still not be a negative thing.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
this is true
but the “i don’t agree with the gay lifestyle” is bullshit. Seriously, what is it about the lifestyle that bugs you? is it the man on man sex or everything else? Because if its man on man sex, then you’re saying you don’t like gays. If its everything else…well, i don’t approve either. Sex and the City sucks.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does it matter what I don't agree with?
And not agreeing with man on man sex doesn’t mean you don’t like gays as people. That’s a Mr. Fantastic level reach there.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, so if you're gay, its cool to be gay just not to have sex?
that’s the pope’s ridiculous view.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
See you're being literal
If you’re gay, cool, do what you like. Me personally, I don’t agree with the man on man sex. And since the epicenter of being gay is same sex intercourse, not agreeing with that is, in turn, not agreeing with the lifestyle.
It’s much more simple to say “I don’t agree with the lifestyle”. And people can infer from that what they will.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't agree with it?
Like it starts an argument about how canola oil used to be called rapeseed oil and you disagree?
Or more like calamari where every time you have gay sex you get a sour stomach feeling and it disagrees with you?
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Only in a Snowden article
would this sort of discussion come up.
Not that it’s a bad thing necessarily.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on now, I'm pretty proud of that one.
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Ahahaha
It’s like the 3rd type of disagree where you’re the old guy sitting on the bench in a park and you see some punk rockers come by on skateboards and you kind of look at them over the top of your newspaper and shake your head but not too hard because your glasses are at the end of your nose and then you dramatically change the page to read the Hogar the Horrible comic strip.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, I was really hoping for number 2.
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Don't tell that to Nick Diaz
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Why would I disown my son?
However, my son being gay wouldn’t make me agree with the lifestyle anymore than I did before. Certainly wouldn’t love him any less.
And that proves the point about the survey. Most people, despite levels of tolerance, will tolerate things within the family while still having the same feelings towards the greater whole. They mentally justify it as that person being the exception that proves the rule.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Having a gay son would change your take...
…and my point is…
If you wouldn’t disown him and generations past would have, that is better treatment, regardless of underlying fears or queasiness.
My father wouldn't have disowned me
and his father wouldn’t have disowned him. You can’t judge an individual based on a whole group.
And no, my on being gay wouldn’t change my personal feelings on anything. Maybe you think I hate gay people or something, I dunno.
I’m gonna try and mosey back to MMA talk now. Ya hear.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Tolerance is a step towards acceptance...
It is a logical step. People don’t go from hate to love (except for in the movies) I mean are you racist against Afro-Latins from Argentina? Did your grandparents have more disdain for white people than you or your child will?
Progress may be slow, but it exists…
Just because it's a logical step, doesn't mean it will happen or it has happened
Why would I be racist against Afro-Latins?
As for that last question…..uh, static, static, line breaking up. Hahaha
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just don't expose your kids to Chael Sonnen
…and they’ll like white people fine.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Just because it’s a logical step, doesn’t mean it will happen or it has happened
It doesn’t mean it isn’t happening and won’t happen either.
That seems to be your outlook.
You won't know that it has happened until it DOES happen
And until it DOES happen, I will err on the side of caution.
My people have been burned fat too many times being optimistic in the actions and geniality of others.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok Truck I agree with your basic premise
That things ARE getting better. However I think we’re still a few generations away from being a tolerant society. Things are better than they were, but still not better. Racism in 2010 is like spraying air freshener in the bathroom after a steaming deuce, it’s better than it was, but people still shouldn’t be exposed to it.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
One day at a time, one step at a time.
Hopefully we can make things better.
Writing it off as a lost cause and only looking at the negative doesn’t help anything. The negative is there and has to be recognized, but without recognizing the positives or progress the whole situation is very defeating and depressing.
Word
I think we’re on the same side here, I just think you’ve got a more optimistic view than I do for our generation.
by Doc Martin 28 on Jul 29, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think things will fixed quickly
but I do hope things improve a little from day to day and year to year. One day, hopefully we will all be able to get along.
Are you guys gonna like wrap yourselves in a rainbow flag...
…and start singing “We are the World” or something?
Cause it’s getting a little creepy.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Man you guys are acting like some guys who's lifestyle I don't agree with
FULL CIRCLE CONTINUITY
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't..I don't get it
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
oh sorry. thought you were making a joke from adventure time
hilarious show.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Your pic is also cut off.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
its alright, just a pic to show that i knew the joke you were making
which i clearly did not
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno where I got that from
It just felt right to say.
I’m like a sponge, maybe it was playing in the background. Maybe the guy stole it from me. Where’s Johnny Cochran?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That study is no more scientific tan me looking at Youtube comments
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
come on BL
youth = high % of trolls.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
That piece was filled with fiction….
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, here is another one that confirms it: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/mixed-martial-arts-mma-attracts-young-adults-with-purchasing-power-71765747.html
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Dedrick....Dedrick....Dedrick....
Seems to me that Dedrick is just looking for controversy and trying to make a name for himself.
People need to understand that the MMA community is not a bunch of uneducated slobs. Chael is a smart guy. 90% of the folks in this forum are intelligent and know what Chael’s intentions are.
I’m not saying everyone agrees with what he is saying.
Chael’s not saying anything different than James Toney….
They both a entertaining and are hyping their fights…
"It's easy to grin when ship comes in, and you've got the stock market beat....But the man wortwhile is the man who can smile when his pants are too tight in the seat.." - Judge Smails
It’s strange that people have tolerated Chael to this degree. I do find many fo his comments to be humorous, but content aside there’s a point where the sheer volume of talk to someone who isn’t responding makes you look like the silly one.
I’m also not a fan of his comments about Anderson’s business sense – they lack relevance since I’ll be watching the fight anyway, nor do I care about his lack of sponsors. He disparages Anderson publicly about things he is not doing like – explaining to the public why you are fighting another person. First, it’s not a necessity – this is sport (reason enough), and the champion generally doesn’t get to choose his fights anyway. Secondly, Chael is just trying to demonstrate how smart he is by explaining the concepts, but it’s an awkward situation to get into that in front of the mic/camera – it should remain behind the scenes. For example – pop stars don’t have to explain why they do the things they do, and the public likes it or they don’t – end of story.
The other part of it is that by acknowledging the business side so directly, along with taking his trash talking to such an outlandish level vs. a non-responsive opponent – he makes it very uncomfortable for someone like me. I still prefers the sport/competition aspect despite valuing the pro-wrestling/spectacle aspect to a lesser degree.
Basically – this whole situation with the poorer/less skilled fighter lecturing the richer/superior fighter is ridiculous. I can’t wait to see Chael get smoked and get sent to the undercard where noone will ever hear from him again.
I blame the media. Instead of the media getting upset that Anderson didn't "shuck and jive" for them
They should’ve taken Chael to task for his comments. I’m looking DIRECTLY at you Franklin McNeil, you Smart Brother looking sonofagun
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, instead they’re just looking for a sound byte. If one guy talks and the other won’t I guess the better man is the one who talks regardless of what he’s saying. I remember Franklin stammering to Anderson after receiving one of those unsatisfactory answers, trying to feed him a line that he was obviously planning to write about.
Pretty sad stuff if the media thinks they’re important because they’re the independent voice/watchdog to call people out. Well, not these ones.
Seems like this "1 white male" thing is becoming a trend--
I, 1-caramel-coloured male (mexican/black/italian) and 1-female (italian/pregnant) want to see Anderson send his fist down Sonnen’s suckhole. The man is touching down onto sensitive areas, hence the racist outcry by some posters. If Sonnen wants to sell tickets, he’s definitely doing it right. MMA needs characters to build the entertainment brand, having dull characters conducting interviews and spewing the same: “he has never fought a fighter like me; we can stand or go to the ground” rhetoric is growing tiresome. This is the only UFC match I have been really into, and eagerly awaited, since Rampage-Evans.
Mainly because I pull for African-American fighters. In the case of Rashad Evans, I just want to see his goofy, uncharismatic self to hit the canvas or cage surface each time he steps into the octagon.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well, Black Lesnar’s here. I’ll come back in 4 hours and 600 comments.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 29, 2010 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
This is velcro
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
My dick is not.
Please hop off at anytime.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would say the same to you
You mention me a lot. It’s obviously something about me. I don’t run that way, I hate to inform you. But you seem to bring me up at least 3 or 4 times when we aren’t talking to each other. It’s quite unseemly.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong as usual
You see that pretty search bar up there on the right? I’ve never said your name once until the comment up there about a half hour ago, genius. If you’re gonna talk shit, at least try to use something truthful. Pretty pictures don’t cover up the facts. You’re wrong.
You come here, clog up posts with your useless banter, and make them unreadable. That’s why I made the comment in the first place. If you don’t like it, oh well. It’s the truth. I’ll stop talking about you now. That should make you happy.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So....you've never come out of the blue with a response to me when not a part of the discussion?
But you not worrying about me is just fine.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This post is now diamonds
http://mixedmartialartsblogger.wordpress.com/
by Cory Braiterman on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Snowden has finally jumped the shark
Luke & Nate have spoken and have said as long as he continues to generate hits and 500+ comments, they will keep him around.
I for one am no longer going to take part in contributing his success. Commenting in his threads only strengthens his position with BE ownership/management. This will be the last time you see me comment on a Snowden post.
I suggest everyone else who is tired of his bile do the same.
by Steve4192 on Jul 29, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed. after he inferred that i'm a bigot, i'm done with his trash.
goodnight, and demon effigy speed.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 29, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't infer that you were a bigot. Did you read?
He was talking about his “post” (as in the article, not your “post” as in the comment.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you meant implied.
I’ve inferred that you don’t know the difference. :-P
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Well, I have to say
You’ve come across as pretty biggoty in your posts in this thread. The “Hey! I’m just all for not being overly sensitive about things!”-kind. A sneaky breed of bigots.
by Pahuus on Jul 29, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I respect your comments a lot and find this curious. Sonnen has brought nationality into the conversation over and over again. What is inappropriate about mentioning that?
Do you support his comments? Or do you just wish they would go away?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wish Anderson would put him away.....forever.
After the fight they better have a casket outside the cage door a la Undertaker’s casket match. Only afterwards they bury Sonnen.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You just don’t get it, Snowden. Chael making all kinds of bizarre xenophobic and/or race-baiting comments is one thing. But pointing out that he does this? MY GOD, THE BILE.
The nerve.
I’m going to riot!
…my way through a box of ho-hos.
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You’re conveniently leaving out the part where Snowden called us racists. No rational person is defending Chael’s comments. But Snowden seems to revel in bashing the entire MMA fan base as being a racist group.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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Could you please quote the part where he said that "the entire MMA fan base" is racist?
Because I missed it and I’d sure like a chance to read that.
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No no
don’t ask things like that! The man is trying to make a point, damnit!
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we all need to watch a video
Everybody needs to go watch How To Tell People They Sound Racist.
What Chael said was racist. Trying to say what he is? That’s futile.
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No, feel free to ask.
Here are some of his recent quotes. If you don’t think these paint the MMA audience as racist, I don’t know what to tell you:
“There’s a reason that some MMA apparel companies feature imagery derived from the Third Reich. This isn’t coincidence This is the audience.”
“®acism is far from dead and I think plays no small part in Silva’s failures at the marketplace.”
“Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel. Sadly, he may be right.”
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
dude he's right though
maybe not about us, but rednecks. Especially rednecks that come from the wrestling fanbase. I don’t often agree with snowden; but when I do, its about racism in MMA.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...
Where’s the part where he said that “the entire MMA fan base” is racist?
Cause you haven’t posted that. None of that impugns all MMA fans. It doesn’t even attack a majority of fans. It says:
- There’s a market for racist shit because racists exist
- Racists probably don’t like some dark-skinned dude
- Sonnen might get some asshoels to go along with his bullshit
Which part of that is INCORRECT, let alone impugning you or me?
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You are offering your own spin on the quotes I posted. Let’s just agree to disagree here, I hate these flame wars.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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Dude, I asked a simple question
I asked you to back up the shit you’re saying.
You offered three quotes, NONE of which remotely did that.
Either explain how they do mean what you said, or get out. Whining that you don’t like flame wars in a comment thread on the internet is like complaining that you don’t like traffic while standing in the middle of the interstate.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
This is like people who complain about Twitter
“Oh, I tried it, but I followed 300 people and I couldn’t keep up because they were tweeting too much.”
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Someone out to sig line that last sentence of yours.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, right?
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I already backed it up. Snowden wrote an entire article called “Why Do Fans Hate Anderson Silva,” and his first two reasons were “nationality” and “race.” In that article, he also said that racism played no small part in Andy’s failures in the marketplace. Now, he posts another article saying that Sonnen’s racist rhetoric may “make him a hero” in the eyes of fans.
Despite the above, you apparently think I’m crazy for drawing the conclusion that Snowden thinks MMA fans are racist.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
not all fans, just some
and they are. you make sweeping claims, snowden…usually does, but didn’t this time.
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You are
There is a huge cognitive leap to conclude that Snowden is saying “MMA fans are racist” from that, when it’s clear to anyone else he is saying “There are racist MMA fans”.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Snowden thinking there a racist MMA fans
And Snowden “bashing the entire MMA fan base as being a racist group” are not the same thing.
Some americans are republicans so
ALL AMERICANS ARE REPUBLICANS
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough. I can see your point here. I took the prior article as an indictment of the fan base, since he talked in terms of Silva’s overall failure in the marketplace.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Okay, he's sorted.
Where amadeus so we can make him stop being such a goofball?
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Well someone bought Silva's shows
Those that did aren’t racist
Those that didn’t are.
See how simple
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno, I still get the feeling I might be racist.
Is there a blood test or something?
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You honestly think NO MMA fans are racist?
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One final word since Jonathan replied and it would be rude to ignore him
I respect your comments a lot and find this curious. Sonnen has brought nationality into the conversation over and over again. What is inappropriate about mentioning that?
I have nothing personal against you, and I think your MMA history pieces are fantastic, but all too often I find myself feeling trolled after reading your posts.
My problem is not with this piece per se, but with omnipresent negativity in your op-ed articles. Since Nate & Luke have made it clear that they value your ability to generate comments with controversial pieces, and since I do not particularly agree with those pieces, I’m going to vote with my keyboard and no longer contribute to those giant comment totals. Rather than bitching and moaning and bumping up your responses, I will remain silent from here on out.
All this talk of heroes and heels and pro wrestling is a distraction
…because they’re ACTUALLY going to fight. We’re not going to decide who the intercontinental backyard champion is on the basis of who is or isn’t more likable. We’re not going to decide who would be more acceptable to the fans and then choose this person.
So who gives a shit?
Are we having all of this contrived discussion because Anderson is such a heavy favorite and nobody can think of a reason for Chael to win?
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The discussion is more than likely being had because
a) this fight is not compelling. Sonnen has a wrestler’s chance
b) Anderson isn’t giving them much to write about
c) Chael is saying so much
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
If this weren’t -450/+325, there might be some useful discussion to have.
Because trying to convince tone-deaf, privileged, white BE readers that Chael is a bigot never seems to go anywhere. People don’t want to be informed.
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You'd have a better shot at informing BE readrrs that Obama is Osama. Real talk.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
USA vs Brazil...
And Chael Sonnen is the captain of the U.S.S Bigot. Hopefully they’ll run into Spider Mountain ASAP.
Go team Brazil!
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, that's where you go to capture your very own Spider Silva with a Pokeball.
It then digivolves into an Anderson Silva…..exactly like the one in the UFC. Rumor has it that Scott Coker is currently in the works of cloning one of these legendary creatures. However, they gave it a new name: Gegard Mousasi, ever heard of it?
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to wonder what would happen if Anderson does a highlight reel finish on Sonnen as far as how MMA fans perceive him. MMA fans are fickle, and a finish here by Anderson may remove some ill-will towards him. After the Forrest Griffin fight, MMA fans were back on the Anderson band wagon, but recent performances has made that wagon lighter.
Screw those fans--
Love him when he wins and hate him when he wins……but in a lackluster fashion. It’s sad.
I bet 90% of Anderson’s so-called fans are former LeBron James fans too.
Proud Andersom fan since Silva-Fryklund.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Anderson*
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They don't even like him when he kicks the shit out of someone, it's terrible
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Anderson is a cocky fighter, many fight fans dislike fighters who know they are good. It’s silly.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I appreciate this article, Snowden. Yes, Sonnen is intelligent. He fully knows he’s using codewords. He’s having a go, not only at Anderson, but at anybody in the climate of cross-cultural politeness. It’s frustrating that so many people seem to be on board with him.
I have a few codewords for Chael Sonnen...
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know what's going to be awesome?
A week after this fight when we are talking about OTHER THINGS.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 1:03 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
REC'D
…with a kiss?
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I guess I’m of the minority, I hope Sonnen wins if only to create some new interesting matchups at 185 and to have a champion in that division who knows how to sell a fight and talk a lot of smack.
I really don’t give a shit about all the implications and permutations of what he’s saying, he’s selling the fight.
He is a lot more interesting than Silva, when was the last time Silva was ever able to get people this whipped into a frenzy? My guess is that a lot of people will continue to pay to watch Sonnen fight (and in their minds, hopefully lose) if he was the champion.
No more sir!
we cant have reason and logic in this debate, hes either a code-word racist or hitler
There's no logic to support this fight going to Sonnen when the odds ar -450/+325
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Kinda like there was no logic to support Werdum winning?
by thekiltedwonder on Jul 29, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
What's interesting here...
…is that Chael doesn’t even have the chance that Werdum had. He’s just NOT going to catch Anderson in a submission. And since he isn’t going to knock him out on the feet, the only thing he can hope for is that he can go 25 minutes without getting knocked out, submitted or clowned.
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Sonnen is not even 1/3rd the fighter Anderson is. The 185lb strap would be passed around more than Oreo’s at a camp fire if Sonnen was champ.
However, if Sonnen does dethrone King Spider, kudos to him.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
huh
I never would have guessed a person who reads the huffington post would have no sense of humor…..
I think that you’re reaching a bit with the assertion that Chael genuinely believes his shtick and wants to be the “knight in shining armor.” But in the grand scheme of things, does it really matter what Chael personally wants or believes? His motives aside, all the talking he is doing has created a buzz around this fight that otherwise would not have existed.
People know who Chael Sonnen is now. Had he kept quiet this whole time and not unleashed some of the most ridiculous, over-the-top trash-talk, no one really would have cared about the upcoming bout.
I think Chael’s motives boil down to something much simpler: to create attention. I doubt he cares whether the fans consider him a hero, villain, or just a loudmouth. Anything is better than being just another “who?”.
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
More fighters should take a page out've the book of Chael.
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by Ryan Tical on Jul 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WRESTLIONG IS GAY!
This is MMA!!!!!!111lookatthetonguelookatthetongue
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that more fighters should try and find ways to get people buzzing about their fights, but Chael’s method is definitely not the way to do it.
MMA has a difficult enough time being accepted on its merits as a sport, we really don’t need a trend of fighters all spewing racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. trash-talk all the time.
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
You know, when you put it like that, maybe Chael is on to something
I mean, racism and homophobia are really popular, and if you want to grow the sport…
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I can’t tell if you’re just being facetious or if you completely misread my comment and think I condone Chael’s brand of promotion.
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Nah, just fucking around.
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Ignored comments
So I’m just going to say what I have thought since reading the article: Who cares. Whoever fights, they have a job to sell it like hell. Anderson Silva hasn’t really ever sold fight, hence most of the PPV buys that have him as a headliner have been mildly low. Insert someone that can talk up a storm (Chael Sonnen) and you have a chance to actually gain something from this. I would not be surprised of this card hits over 750K buys because of that guy.
Do I think Sonnen is a jackass for being a bigot republican? Yes. Do I think he’s doing a hell of a job selling the fight? Absolutely. Do I hope he wins? Yep, because I’d cheer my ass off and hope that Silva goes to a different weight class. But we’ll see.
not frank
he didn’t pick miguel torres to win
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey man!
Did I notice him not picking Torres to win? Yes I did. Do I still think he’s Frank Mir? Absolutely! Am I going to get banned for going off topic? I certainly hope not.
I'm a bit confused about Snowden's views
Regarding the Portuguese is just a little better than Pig Latin comment, Snowden writes, “It was the least ambiguous attack yet, making it clear that his opponent’s nationality was a major issue with Sonnen.” This suggests that Sonnen is himself bothered by the fact that Silva speaks Portuguese, because Sonnen himself doesn’t like that language.
However, Snowden also writes, “Sonnen actually believes his xenophobic banter will make him the hero, not the heel.” This suggests nothing about Sonnen’s own views; rather, it suggests that Sonnen thinks his remarks will encourage fans to support him.
It seems to me that Snowden is claiming both that Sonnen believes his own remarks vis-a-vis Soares, Portuguese, etc. and that Sonnen believes that fans will like him for these views.
But does Sonnen also believe that he’s beaten every champion? That he’s never been defeated at middleweight? I bring this up because I think these remarks provides some evidence for the claim that Sonnen is heeling it up, that he’s saying things not because they’re his heartfelt beliefs but because he wants to piss Silva and Silva’s fans off, that he wants people talking about him, etc. Of course, I may be entirely wrong, but I think Snowden at least needs to address why Sonnen has said some things about himself that he knows to be false, if it’s not part of a heel persona.
(As for the pygmy remark, what does Sonnen even know about pygmies or religious practices in Brazil? How many American MMA fans who would be delighted by what Sonnen says think of Brazil as a bunch of savages or even know what pygmies are anyway?)
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by PlantingaFan on Jul 29, 2010 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Well god bless Chael Sonnen for trying to get people to care about this fight. Hell…he’s main eventing against a guy who basically took a giant crap all over his last paying audience. I’m sure Sonnen doesn’t want to be remembered for main eventing in the least viewed ufc ppv of recent times, so he’s doing what he’s gotta do.
Nevertheless, its not enough for me. I don’t really care for Chael Sonnen….and these days I could care even less for Anderson Silva. I won’t be ordering UFC 117. I recognize I could be missing a hell of a show. The undercard looks strong, and if Silva decides to fight this time, he’s certainly more than capable of knocking Sonnen out in spectacular fashion. But I just can’t justify to myself spending one dime on a Silva-headlined show. And if he puts on another dancefest, I can only pray that Dana has the balls to stick to his word and can him.
Go ahead and punish yourself and not order a great card. How do you win?
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d rather spend that money instead on the Marquez-Diaz boxing ppv this weekend. At least I can be fairly certain that neither one of them will either, a) throw a tantrum in the middle of the ring, or b) gas themselves from excessive taunting.
Makes sense if Anderson vs Chael was the only fight they were selling.
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
The undercard looks nice, but if the main event turns out to be an abomination then that’s pretty much all that I, or anyone else, will remember (see ufc 112).
You just need to drink more while you watch the fights.
If you had the necessary alcoholic supplements, you wouldn’t take this stuff so seriously.
Now me, by the time the main event comes around? I’m in my underwear chasing the cat around with a spatula screaming at the top of my lungs.
Which makes the Hooters waitresses pissed.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You sir,
Are a wild man.
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That's true - that's him in the picture.
And I’m the dude.
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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Stop laughing - I'm trying to make my angry face.
Grrrrrr!!!!
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dude stop flexing you're gonna blow out your o-ring!
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
HAhahahahahahahahaahahahah
Oh shit, I just lost it…
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As a Black man, I'm ashamed to say that
it took me several years to realize that Marc Mero(witz) was not a Black man or even mixed, but an overly tanned Jew.
Talk about SHOCKER
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I never did figure out his ethnicity
that blows my mind
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you feel all Carlton like?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah.
He did play a overtly gay man who was “so pretty he should’ve been born a girl” for most of his career. I was happy to know I could pass that off to another race.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
5th Element cough cough Smokey played a bitch cough
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he help save them at the end?
By blowing on the rock?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Dwayne Johnson?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
I laughed at the disgusting image that popped into my head. I hate you.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you smell what he was cookin?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Rock, that’s not what I had in m-
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT YOU HAD IN MIND!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't know why Snowdens posts
always end up being my favorite and getting me the most laughs, but damn it I am glad it happens.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Once you get past the roody-poo candy-assness of it all, you can have some fun.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Woooooow
That was hilarious. Nick Cannon hilarious.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad you think he's so goddamn hilarious
because he just walked off with your school clothes money.
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He didn't die at the end
So he wasn’t really black.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
From Reddit
“If you watch a horror movie backwards it’s about a white couple that makes increasingly multicultural friends over the course of the film.”
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by jemaleddin on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
That is AWESOME
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Very, very nice.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Snowden you're the only guy
who tries everything to keep bringing up the “race card” just to get more attention..
Now you incessantly brag about it saying “yeah, I caused a little stir.” Hmm.. dude you’re just a blogger.. one of the bloggers on a website which doesn’t and can’t do any reporting on its own and survives by taking articles and sources from all the other MMA sites.
Dude, you’re a typical North American who just can’t see past colors, Anderson’s jiving and tango is what turned fans away from him. He brought it all upon himself.
Dare you to prove me wrong in anything I’ve said..
Dare you to prove me wrong in anything I’ve said..
That’s fairly easy.
First, Snowden isn’t just a blogger. He wrote what is probably the best MMA book ever written.
Anderson didn’t have fans when he was destroying people in the first round, so clearly his “jiving and tango” isn’t the main issue of why he doesn’t have fans.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Typical North American? I’m not your guy buddy
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That line cracked me up
If “griffith9” is willing to accept that a “typical North American” can’t “just can’t see past colors” then what is his issue of Snowden claiming the part of Silvas marketability is based on the fact that “typical North American(s)” can’t “just can’t see past colors” ?
Totally inconsistent.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sad part is some of these people vote
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
fixed
Sad part issomemost of these people vote
Sensible people vote less, as they have no viable options :p
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The worst part is that we might believe it matters
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 29, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
"typical North American"
Fuck you!
You do realize The US, Mexico and Canada are all part of North America right?
Dude it seems a bunch of people subscribe to this train of logic in this comments section
US is in North America therefore US IS NORTH AMERICA
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that logic isn't just in the comments section
it’s pretty much how Americans roll. I think it’s worse than that, really.
“U.S. is on Earth therefore U.S. IS EARTH”
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by Chris Barton on Jul 29, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
haha these things are so funny to say
Some people are gay therefore ALL PEOPLE ARE GAY
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
yesterday Luke is getting shit from Brian Stann for quoting him accurately in an ORIGINAL INTERVIEW and today we’re bloggers “who don’t and can’t do any reporting”.
Did you miss Snowden’s community interviews with Frank Shamrock and Joe Lauzon?
How about when Brent ran Hoelzer Reich and WAMMA out of the biz?
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I reserve full credit for driving WAMMA out of business, and my boss was up Hoelzer Reich’s ass as well.
Seriously though, Brent doesn’t get enough credit for those.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 29, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it still blows my mind
that Holzer Reich somehow slipped into the UFC
by Body Triangle on Jul 29, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
This was good stuff, but its not what killed the Reich.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
To be fair, the UG deserves credit for running Hoelzer Reich out of business. They were all over that for a couple of months before anyone else in the MMA blogosphere picked it up (BE included).
fair enough
i’ll definitely agree they share the credit but Brent did the legwork of contacting them and getting them to contradict themselves in their answers then debunked all their bullshit.
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Snowden plays the race card again!
It got 1000 comments in the last article, so why not!
Checking out of this comments thread!
I hear voices.
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Randy Orton?
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone on the Huffington Post thinks a Republican is racist? This is news worthy?
I can’t believe we’re analyzing trash talk here. This is all theater, meant to entertain and ultimatley get the person listening interested enough to buy the product. This kind of talk talk made Muhammad Ali one of the biggest stars of all time. It got Rampage and Rashad over one million PPV buys. And it’s getting Snowden some awesome page views.
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“And it’s getting Snowden some awesome page views.”
These stupid pieces about xeno & homo -phobias and racism are getting old. I usually just lurk, but I’m sick of seeing them on the front page. The discussion they provoke isn’t exactly changing things. Let’s leave these kind of charges to the organizations typically responsible for them.
"Someone on the Huffington Post thinks a Republican is racist? This is news worthy?"
Same thing I said man. Ultra liberal zelots who dont know the difference between a joke and a serious comment.
Jesus Christ this is ri-goddamn-diculous. Snowden could write an article entitled “Puppies are adorable and will attract the opposite sex in the park” and it would get 700 comments full of dissent, hatred and venom……………
There's no depth to my shallowness.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't exactly know why I trailed off there.
There's no depth to my shallowness.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 29, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, I'm at work - is that some racist shit?
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 29, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, like I know what that is.
I’m just gonna assume that’s some racist shit.
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 29, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
oops. comprehension fail by me
was thinking about the some connotation i used in the gif. although i got a steady thing going right now so yeah, raw dog is the current SOP, but not with randoms
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 29, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen is hitting the target, which from what we have seen here the last couple weeks is not that hard to do. Of course he’s going to choose insults that will get a rise out of Silva, that’s the whole point.
If MMA bloggers are losing their sh*t over making kindergarten insults about someones language, I imagine it may be having an effect on Silva and his team.
We have HuffingtonPost now set up as a resource for info on the MMA world? Anyone who disagrees with the liberal agenda is by definition a racist over there, ferchriesakes.
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