Jon Jones Coach Greg Jackson Talks Vladimir Matyushenko and UFC on Versus 2
Sherdog radio caught up with Greg Jackson (transcription via Fight Opinion) and it's just a great great interview with the man many consider to be the best coach in MMA. Here's some samples.
He discusses game planning with Jones:
Sherdog: How structured is the game plan with Jon Jones? How structured is a game plan with him?
Greg Jackson: "It's structured in a non-traditional sense. In other words, if you are looking at a game plan in a very traditional do-this, do-this, do-that, it's not that way. What I do instead with Jon is I give him four or five, we look at our opponent's tendencies and their safety zones and we give him four or five options off of each one of those and how he puts those together is what you know is going to define that fight for us. So, instead of saying, OK you know stay away from this and do this and that, I say here's several things that you can do off of this and play with him, here's several things that he tries here and play with him, which is very... it's a unique game plan for that kind of fighter. Cub Swanson's another kind of guy we do like that as well. But you have to keep that element of creativity flowing and where other fighters have very linear, I guess you could say, like OK when he tries this you need to make sure to enact this defense or stay away from this safety zone or whatever it may be. It's structured but it's more of an open structure if that makes any sense."
He also has a very clear idea of how Matyushenko could beat Jones:
Sherdog: Is that pretty much the #1 concern? That's what Vladimir does, he puts people on their backs and beats them up. Is Jon Jones fine off his back?
Jackson: "Well yeah, I mean, he's getting really good on his back. I'm not overly concerned with any one part of the fight. I want to watch the pace because Vladimir's just trying to get in there and I think and stuff us, get inside, smother, break it. That's my concern with him just to trying to smother and staying on top and he's going to try to stifle Jon's creativity I'm sure, so we've been working a lot of good inside stuff and you know wrestling and all that stuff so we should be well-prepared for his game plan. I hope, you know. All you can do is hope and hopefully all the things that we've been working on will come to fruition. But yeah I fully expect him to come in, swinging at Jon's head and try to take Jon down and holding Jon on the ground."
It's really interesting that Jackson has such a clear vision of the ways the Matyushenko fight could go wrong for his fighter. I guess that's why he makes the big bucks because the BElitists seemed stumped when Snowden posed that question earlier today.
Jackson is correct. If Matyushenko is going to beat Jones, it will be via a very ugly decision. He'll need to get inside Jones' reach, jam him up against the cage, avoid Jones' arsenal of judo throws, work the body, get the take down and beat him up on the ground. Easy? No, anything but easy. Possible? Yes, absolutely possible.
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Jones’ arsenal of judo throws
Honest question: does Jones practice Judo? I thought most of his throws were Greco-wrestling based.
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nope its judo
Easy way to tell if there are any legs involved its not greco. Any attack below the waist is illegal in greco. Not that he doesn’t use greco as well. But the move he busted on hamill was st8 judo. He uses freestyle throws too. He never formally trained judo, just picked up the moves from watching video!
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by Kid Nate on Jul 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thing like suplexes (grabbing above the waist) and lat drops are, I’m pretty sure, allowed in GR wrestling, although feel free correct me if I’m wrong.
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by The Darkness on Jul 28, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
oh he def uses greco
That’s his background. But he’s unleashed such a torrent of throws that come from all over. Greco, freestyle and judo.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
when it comes down to it, greco is really the only style that can be truly separated out. Throws are throws, and american folkstyle coaches love to steal judo throws.
for example, i hit a sweet trip/hip-toss combo in my no-gi class the other day. i thought it was just a sweet move my HS wrestling coach had taught me, but one of the intructors asked me, “whered u learn that (japanese term i couldn’t really make out)? that was some good judo.” i was like, “i thought that was a wrestling move, i learned it in high school”
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 28, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah ultimately
there are only so many possible moves the human body can make and no one style has a patent on any of them. But Jones has talked about studying judo on video and online so that’s my take.
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there are only so many possible moves the human body can make and no one style has a patent on any of them
i like this sentence, a lot. it’s a really good way to think about it
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 28, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks
i’ve spent way too much time thinking about styles of fighting.
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Its time for the next evolution in MMA
We’ll just cut short the whole elite MMA Wrestlers overtaking the elite MT/BJJ guys meme I’ve been preaching by…
Having Jon Jones start watching some obscure Wing Chun tapes or something…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 28, 2010 6:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It may not be G-R, but that doesn't mean it's judo
A lot of his throws are freestyle wrestling. Especially if you see any kind of backstep. That’s classic folkstyle and freestyle wrestling.
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but many of his throws are also judo throws, especially the trips. He’s talked about it in interviews.
see here:
While it’s known that Jones comes from a Greco-Roman wrestling background, he’s evolved that style into his own by combining it with moves he’s picked up from studying judo on the Internet.
"A lot of the moves I’m performing aren’t actually Greco-Roman, they’re judo," Jones said. "You can’t use a trip in Greco-Roman. I don’t have an official judo coach but I’ve been, it sounds weird, getting on the Internet and watching a lot of Judo moves. I take it seriously."
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Matyushenko insists that keeping pressure on Jones is the way to win.
He says that he is preparing to keep consistent pressure on Jones and not allow him to rest or pause throughout the fight.
Another honest question: Has there been a fight where Jones has appeared fatigued from an “adrenaline dump”? Is this a wise strategy for The Janitor?
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He looked tired in the Bonnar fight but who knows how his preparation for that fight compares with his preparation for this fight (which I’m guessing is better if he’s training with Jackson) . His conditioning nevertheless might be a bit of a question mark.
A bigger question mark for me however is — just how good of a wrestler is Matyushenko? Supposedly he beat Kevin Jackson (a free style gold medalist) and won the Russian nationals, which is typically far more difficult than winning the US equivalent. He then apparently went on to wrestle at some JUCO, which seems odd. I haven’t been able to find much info on his freestyle wrestling background (outside wikipedia). If he has that type of background, and assuming he’s about 25% of the wrestler he was back then (which he very well might not be), there’s no reason he shouldn’t be able to get Jones to the ground.
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by The Darkness on Jul 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlad was out-wrestled by tito 8 years ago, which was closer to his wrestling prime. We won’t out-wrestle Jones.
by Hardcharger on Jul 28, 2010 12:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point. I didn’t see that fight. Your conclusion then sounds right.
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by The Darkness on Jul 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, if i recall correctly,
He was unable to get Arlovski down when they fought sometime in ’02 – ’04 I believe…was a completely one-sided beating, followed by him getting KTFO…
I really don’t see much for Jones to be concerned about here…
But then again, once Jones takes Maty + 1 or 2 others, I don’t see any current LHW giving him any true problems outside of Machida and Phil Davis…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 28, 2010 7:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jon wore himself out a bit by the third round of the Bonnar fight, but that was a long while ago, and he’s mentioned being disappointed by his cardio in that fight, so I’m sure he’s much improved. I think Jon is really calm in the cage, not the type to get too high or low in a fight.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 28, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
"I think Jon is really calm in the cage, not the type to get too high or low in a fight."
Nobody has pressured him to change that yet. It will be interesting.
Yep. Fear does strange things to a man…
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
If he gets through Maty, I really wanna see him face one of the following:
1) Thiago Silva Someone who will come forward and unleash offence.
2) Little Nog A very solid striker with some of the divisions best BBJ. Will Jones keep the fight standing or take it to the ground?
3) Tito Ortiz A win would give him the name recognition of a star.
Yeah I like those choices, Tito only because I’m always up for seeing Tito get smashed. A guy with substantial knockout power and either great takedown defense or BJJ would be good. Thiago would definitely press forward, but in his case I think he’d probably end up much like he did against Machida. Minotoro would probably be my choice of the three, but that’s unlikely for his next fight. I am curious to see how someone with good BJJ would do off his back against Jon. I thought Vera would be able to control Jon and survive to get back to his feet, but that didn’t work out too well for him:)
Maybe Tito, or Rich Franklin, since Rich wants a chance to make a title run. It’s easy to think Rich would get destroyed, but he has good footwork and is definitely tough as hell. Avoid the clinch Rich! As to this fight, I don’t count Vlad out entirely. He has a style I’m curious to see Jon fight against, I just think Vlad is too slow to implement a “bull in the china shop” type gameplan against Jon. It’s a style I think Rashad has the speed to pull off against Jon, but Vlad is going to get juked and thrown, unless Jon is trying to show off his striking and tries a flying knee or something to counter a takedown attempt. Should be good though.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 28, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Franklin vs Griffin will be the next step for Franklin.
The winner fights the Bader / Little Nog winner and will be sitting pretty looking at a title shot. A number 1 contenders match is possible though.
The Rampage / Machida winner, Vlad / Jones winner may face someone like Thiago Silva or Randy Couture and will all be in play as well.
The UFC seems to like the idea of running a couple sets of potential challenger brackets these days. Keeping the options open just in case an injury bug strikes again is probably wise.
The weight of expectation
I think in the wake of dismantling two tough opponents like Hamill and Vera, peoples expectations of where a 23 year old fighter should be at this point in his career. There is nothing worse than rushing a fighter who should still be considered a prospect onto a big stage too quickly.
The UFC has done an excellent job of managing expectations while still giving Jones a forum to become a star by placing him in the headline fight of both VS cards.
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by Worldisart on Jul 28, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I could see Maty having an edge if he can work his way in close and avoid take downs.
We haven’t seen Jones work his dirty boxing or offensive clinch at any great length. What does he have from close range? Spinning back elbows and knees won’t be enough by themselves.
So far when someone has gotten too close they have been put on their back. If he can’t work inside offence or land take downs from inside we see something new from Jones or we will see him struggle.
If Maty tries the clinch game....
he’s gonna get tripped down.If Jones can get any combination of double overs, double unders or a over/under, Maty is going down. Remember, Jones has vicious knees to create the space in the clinch he needs to get the hold he wants, and he doesn’t need much space for those elbows to do some damage, either.
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If Maty tries the clinch game....
he’s gonna get tripped down.If Jones can get any combination of double overs, double unders or a over/under, Maty is going down. Remember, Jones has vicious knees to create the space in the clinch he needs to get the hold he wants, and he doesn’t need much space for those elbows to do some damage, either.
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What makes Jones dangerous
is that he knows that he is a huge underdog and will be coming in to win ugly, something he is awfully good at.
This is a big test for Jones. Can he win against someone who will do whatever it takes to grind out a decision? That’s something champions have to learn.
I personally think Jones will have too much raw talent and strength – remember how he threw Vera around the ring like a sack of potatoes? – but I am not counting Vladdy out. At these odds, were I a gambling man, I’d put a little mone down to make things interesting.
This is such a great fight
I’m glad the boo-birds have quieted down about this one, finally. Both guys are great and stands as a fantastic test of where each of them are at in that division. If Vlady can pull this one off, he’ll be in line for a top 10 fighter I reckon.
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by Verklemptomaniac on Jul 28, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the BElitists seemed stumped when Snowden posed that question earlier today.
We resent that!
Admit it, you just wanted to use ‘BElitists’ in another article :-)
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve stopped reading Snowden’s articles, as they are too inflammatory for me. If he goes back to good solid columns instead of tabloid-style headlines, I’ll be back to reading them. I have enough stuff to be angry about in life – I don’t need my R&R time consumed with his current work.
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and yesterday too. He hasn’t been controversial since Sunday.
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It is a good read with some solid discussion below, it is worth checking out.
I don't know a whole lot about Judo...
But, how do you get in close against the cage and such, while at the same time staying away from the Judo? It seems like a catch 22 almost, if you get in close you open yourself up to judo and wrestling takedowns, and from what little I can tell the defense between the two is fairly different right?
You can’t sprawl a Judo throw really can you? Is there a defense other than staying away from the guy that can “handle” both judo and wrestling takedowns?
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if you want to see someone totally break up a judo game
look at Thiago Alves vs Karo Parisyan. Thiago trained with Rhadi Ferguson and really mastered some solid anti-judo. It’s all about weight shifting from what I can tell.
Don Frye, a judo black belt and college wrestler, described wrestling as pushing and judo as pulling but both arts really do use the opponent’s own momentum against them.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 28, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don Frye’s comment is incredibly elegant. That’s a good way of thinking about it so simply.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 29, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions

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