UFC 117: Silva vs Sonnen Media Conference Call Updates and Commentary
by Nate Wilcox on Jul 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT
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Be sure and join us at 2pm EST for coverage of the UFC 117 Media Conference Call. No we didn't get credentialed, but we will be following Luke Thomas' tweets from the call which he'll be covering for CBS Radio.
If you tweet be sure and follow Luke at his twitter page: MMANation
Tweets are after the jump:
MMANation On the #UFC117 conference call. Tweets to begin to that effect shortly.
MMANation #UFC117 call just began. Ed Soares also on the line to help translate Anderson Silva, so who knows if he'll translate properly? We'll see.
MMANation Silva on this being most anticipated UFC fight of his career: "No."
MMANation Chael: "I'm the toughest guy in the company. There's never been a guy with earings who could out-tough me. Anderson won't be the 1st."
MMANation Chael says the attention his smack talk has brought has been a distraction. "I'm a partner w/ the UFC, Silva is an employee" #UFC117
MMANation Chael basically just stayed in Portland for this fight. Trained a little with Couture, but stayed almost exclusively in Oregon. #UFC117
Kid Nate: Not sure how smart that is. Training exclusively within his comfort zone is a big part of the reason Sonnen has lost by submission so many times.
MMANation Silva on Dana White saying he could potentially cut Silva from the UFC: "He can say whatever he wants to say." Wow. #UFC117
MMANation Silva has given one word answers twice now. When asked if he's angry with the entire process he says, "no". Make that 3x. #UFC117
MikeChiappetta Anderson Silva said about 10 combined words addressing the 4 questions he'd been asked until someone asked him about soccer. #UFC117
Franklin_McNeil Anderson Silva seems to being showing disdain toward promoting his fight with Chael Sonnen, he's giving mostly yes and no answers.
MMAspot Anderson says he's never had a problem with wrestlers and the Dan Henderson fight is proof.
duresportmma Chael seems playfully angry, though. Silva seems tuned out completely. RT @lorettahuntmma: Sonnen seems angry during this #UFC117 conf call
MMANation "I don't believe in this things like sportsmanship and honor." - Chael Sonnen. #UFC117
MMAspot Chael isn't opposed to Silva's antics. He just doesn't like him.
MMANation "I'm going to take his belt on August 7th and Dana's going to fire him on August 8th." - Chael. #UFC117
MMANation Silva says he's "very excited" about the atmosphere at#UFC117 given that the entire main card is all Americans vs. Brazilians.
MMANation Remember how Silva looked disinterested and acted strangely when he fought Maia? He's doing the same thing on this#UFC117 conf call.
MMANation Chael insults Cote and Franklin and says Silva hand picks his fight. #UFC117. Honestly, I can't tell if Chael is trolling or believes this.
usatmma Ok, I liked that Sonnen dig about Silva fighting 'math teachers from Ohio and one-legged guys from Canada'
MMANation Silva says some of the stuff Sonnen says is "funny".
MMANation "Of course I'm promoting this fight myself. That's the way it should be." Sonnen: media are only fans Silva has.
Franklin_McNeil Sonnen continues to be an awesome interview, he's ripping Silva on this conference call. Silva isn't saying a word in response.
MMANation Franklin McNeil and Ed Soares having a slightly tense moment.
usatmma Ed Soares more animated than Silva is.
usatmma Ed's not even bothering trying to translate the last two questions.
Franklin_McNeil I tried to get Silva to respond to Sonnen's harsh comments. He and manager Ed Soares say they will take care of business on fight night.
UnfilteredMMA Silva: Of course he deserves the title shot
MMANation "No, I haven't gotten bored. I like my sport, my weight division and I'm prepared to stay in my weight division." - A. Silva.
MMANation Chael: I could beat up Anderson in the hotel parking lot, but I want to do it in front of millions on August 7th.
SI_JoshGross Anderson's English is getting pretty good. He & Ed Soares speak English to each other instead of Portuguese whenever possible.
MMAspot Sonnen: Anderson is flat out scary. He's vicious and sharp. He's gonna hurt me, but I can walk through it... and leave with the belt.
usatmma Anderson shoots down the notion of a catchweight w/GSP.
usatmma: Hm. Silva comes alive suddenly. I feel like he said a lot more than what Ed conveyed about his interest in his own division.
usatmma Sonnen now claiming he beat Filho twice.
MMANation Chael claims Franklin ducked him for 18 months, which explains the "animosity"...such that it actually exists.
MMANation "The way [Chael] chose to promote the fight is not the way I try to promote the fight." - Silva.
MMANation Silva is a very, very weird guy. Something's not right about him. RT @usatmma: @duresport You have driven Anderson into silence....
MMAspot Anderson: People aren't paying to watch people talk shit, they're paying to watch people fight.
MMANation Chael: "I've accomplished far more than Anderson Silva"
MMAspot Sonnen: I've beat every champion of every company there's ever been.
MMAspot Anderson (on changes in training camp): I started training with Steven Segal.
usatmma Chael: 'You knew you were setting yourself up for a foreign (or did he say moron?) answer, and you got one.'
MMANation Ok, Chael's critique of Anderson not promoting the fight properly did, in fact, made me LOL. And he called him "dummy".
MikeChiappetta This is the most bizarre UFC press conference ever. Anderson's terse answers, Chael doing everything in his power to sell the fight.
MMANation "I can't think of any fight where he's been out-grappled". Chael talking Silva. Um, Daiju Takase?
usatmma Honest answer from Chael. 'I can't just command him to his back'
MikeChiappetta Chael just said he's dominated every fight he's ever been in "including the one's I've been beaten in." Yes, he really said that!
MMAspot Sonnen: 40-some men couldn't out-strike me. 20-something men couldn't out-grapple me. This is going to be a REAL fight.
MMANation That wraps the call. Surreal. At the last second, Silva giggles as he thanks Chael for being on the call. What a bizarre ride.
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Hehe, this is gonna be awesome.
A preview of the pre-fight press conference.
sneaky buggers
I’ll also be running a live blog of the call from my site. I was gonna post it in a fanpost, but now I don’t want to steal your glory. Have fun Luke!
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by Brian Hemminger on Jul 27, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
think there's a delay
I’m still on hold and haven’t even given them my confirmation code or information yet.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jul 27, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Luke Thomas MMANation
Silva on Dana White saying he could potentially cut Silva from the UFC: “He can say whatever he wants to say.” Wow.
Whoa! I guess Silva has other options than MMA and the UFC.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
he has said that before
he’s just calling DW on his BS
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
It’s not like he said it in anger or contempt.
People are applying their own perspective to that response.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly. i mean, what else is he supposed to say? it’s a valid response to anyone saying anything about anything
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Silva talking like this is going to make a victory for Sonnen all the sweeter, it’s a long shot, but if Silva didn’t take this seriously, or underestimates him, it could blow up in his face.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
Dammit!
I hope Silva actually cares, I don’t need another dance and prance ala 112.
And
Silva on Dana White saying he could potentially cut Silva from the UFC: "He can say whatever he wants to say." Wow.
If this keeps up I wouldn’t put this over Dana White’s head to actually cut him.
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
"He can say whatever he wants to say."
That’s some badassery right there.
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Yeah, he's calling bullshit on Dana.
That was just a stupid ass thing for White to say. On Jim Rome, no less.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
He's talking about his boss
I believe that’s referred to as jackassery
MMANation
“I don’t believe in this things like sportsmanship and honor.” – Chael Sonnen.
Chael must have been cut from his high school baseball team.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I lol’ed at that. Isn’t someone without sportsmanship and honor close to the “thug” image Chael is always bashing? Anything to spice up this call.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 27, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
MMANation “I’m going to take his belt on August 7th and Dana’s going to fire him on August 8th.” – Chael. #UFC117
It’s all too good. WAR CHAEL!
Looking at the worldextremefighter blog..
Chael busts out the one legged canadian and math teach from ohio joke lol. Says Anderson picks opponents.
from same blog...
Chael says he’s forced to promote the fight himself. Doesn’t know why Anderson is even on the call.
I really hope...
Anderson’s dismissing attitude is him building a rage inside him that will erupt with a fury never before seen. Demolishing Chael so bad he quits his part time job.
sonnen dissing franklin
make franklin vs sonnen after sonnen gets ko’d
Most entertaining conference call I’ve heard in a while.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Just imagine if it was co-promoted with M-1
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Franklin_McNeil and some members of the media seems to be reading way too much into a conference call. Can he actually see Sonnen and Silva?
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That's why.
It’s a classic heel trick.
I don’t know why, but when Koscheck does this I hate him, but when Sonnen does it I don’t mind.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Yeah
He’s just pissed cuz Franklin scored higher on his SAT’s.
by Brian Burdios on Jul 27, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Franklin being thrown and dragged under the proverbial bus.
Damn, I thought everybody likes Rich.
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Anderson's knees don't.
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by SSreporters on Jul 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I might be going to UFC 117. A friend of mine is looking at tickets.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Ill be there. My first live event. Paid an arm and a leg for a ticket and have been eating vending machine lunches the past week. I’m so stoked bummer that t.silva is off the card tho.
by Nellieball on Jul 27, 2010 5:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
people saying he’s not doing enough to promote the fight.
This is bullsh*t.
- When was the last time you saw Silva going on a political campaign dissing the other candidates in his division?
- Not everybody can talk up a fight like Mir, Rampage or Chael.
- If this was WWE, Anderson Silva would not be the the champion, despite his skills.
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Agreed
If this was WWE, Anderson Silva would not be the the champion, despite his skills.
They also wouldn’t make him a champion because of his size.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
You know,
It’s almost as though the WWE isn’t actually a competitive enterprise.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
For your first point...
When he shit talked Wanderlei for even thinking about dropping to MW, then said Marquardt and Hendo didn’t deserve to fight him again and had to fight each other, then gave Vitor a ton of shit over a handful of issues. Oh yeah, and that whole “Demian disrespected me!” thing. So that’s 1/3 of the top 15 in his division.
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by pdl on Jul 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ehhh . . . maybe. He made one statement that was blown out of proportion. There was no harmful intention from what he said.
Who deserved to fight him, I believe that was largely Ed Soares. I don’t think Silva was too interested in facing Henderson so soon but he did state that he’ll fight who ever the UFC put in the cage.
Vitor . . . Silva largely doesn’t care to face Brazilians especially BJJ specialist. By and large there were no personal character attacks. He did train with Vitor so he felt offended and questioned where was Vitor’s loyalty.
—— I’m kind of a biased Silva fan.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
"People aren't paying to watch people talk shit"
This is where I disagree with Silva.
No, people don’t pay to watch people talk sh*t but last time I checked Tito Ortiz, Frank Mir, Rampage, Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Muhammad Ali, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and the former Governor of Arizona make a lot of money because of their ability to talk and incite.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Luke says:
“Silva is a very, very weird guy. Something’s not right about him.”
But Chael says:
“Sonnen now claiming he beat Filho twice.”
Sounds like everybody’s a little crazy.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Not enough sleep?
It drives me crazy.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Silva gets asked a question and Chael cuts him off!!
Oooohh, it’s on lol!!! This is so awesome.
He’s beat three Top 5 middleweights in the last 2 years, which is more than Anderson’s done in the division.
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Should read “more than Anderson’s done in the division latley”.
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not up to him though
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Though he turned down fights with Marquardt and Henderson, and tried to turn down a fight with Belfort.
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he has never turned down a fight
every fight presented to him by the UFC he has accepted. When asked, he did say Marquardt and Hendo needed to fight each other to reveal the #1 contender since he had beaten both of them, but he was never presented with either fight. The UFC were the sole responsible for any one of those two fights not coming to fruition.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Jul 27, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish i could somehow sub rec this
Anderson and Soares dragged their feet the whole way against any top 5 middleweight that came into the title picture since the Cote fight.
They bitched and moaned up and down about Vitor Belfort, but lept at the chance to fight Demian Maia.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 27, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson
considered Vitor a friend and didn’t want to fight him for that reason, but he signed to fight him when he was presented with the contract… that’s what counts… People call me bias when I’m talking about Andy, but the fact is that people are so pissed at him that they are blinding themselves to the facts. and the fact is that he has never turned down a fight… Now, on interviews, can the guy not have his preference on who he should be fighting?
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
Brian seriously?
He was already scheduled to fight Vitor on that date, but then Vitor got injured and thus Maia was brought in as the replacement. How is he coming off as more gung hoe about fighting Maia when he was already set to fight Vitor, that doesn’t make any sense.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
How is he dragging his feet WHEN THE FIGHTS WERE NEVER MADE OFFICIAL. The only thing that happened was Ed Soares would come out babbling on about something that no one should even have cared about, but as far as the actual fight it would always end with “Anderson will still fight them regardless.” He was never given any of these fights, if the UFC put the contract down for him he would have signed it but all of these fights were still only in the speculation phase. Orcus is right, at least in your case I think you just blindly hate him too much.
2010 Summer of Side Boob.
Sonnen is the drunk a-hole of MMA
It’s funny at first, but gets old pretty quick. 15 mins are almost up, buddy.
..!..
Anderson was asked what changes he’s made from his last two middleweight defenses in comparison to this fight with Chael. He says he started training with Steven Segal (I think that’s a joke). Chael interrupts and says you should expect a boring answer since you asked Anderson a question. He says Anderson knows nothing about business, people want to know why they’re fighting. Anderson couldn’t have this industry more backward. He thinks people would want to pat Anderson on the back for saying "you’re training really hard" but he’s been training really hard since he was 9 years old. Everyone does that.
- Source: http://worldextremefighter.com/2010/07/27/live-blog-of-the-ufc-conference-call-with-anderson-silva-and-chael-sonnen/
Damn, I got to agree with Chael there. Silva is kind of clueless. Maybe he doesn’t really comprehend the purpose of these conference calls, pre-fight and post-fight interviews . . . it’s all about selling the fight and kissing the media ass with charm, humor and finesse.
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I knew he actually trained with Segal
But I think the answer itself was a joke, because Segal couldn’t possibly prepare him for Sonnen.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, if Silva uses some crazy Segal-styled move on Chael and hurts him . . . then . . . (I don’t know)
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Like this?
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Jul 27, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
What movie is the kids getting shot is from?
Funny GIF!!!!
by KillerInstinct on Jul 27, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
For this section
“usatmma Chael: ‘You knew you were setting yourself up for a foreign (or did he say moron?) answer, and you got one.’ "
Chael said “Boring” not foreign or moron. At least that’s what I heard.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jul 27, 2010 3:04 PM EDT reply actions
I am loving this
best comedy in MMA in forever. I feel like I’m watching WWF/E from back in the day.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 27, 2010 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Rodney Roddy Piper vs. Jimmy Snuka
Piper gave him a verbal beating. Snuka was clueless.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
We have Rowdy Roddy Piper and his more benign cousin Restrained Rodney Piper.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
by dedstrk316 on Jul 27, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Ok . . . here are some sweet and simple facts.
- Silva isn’t crazy about talking up fights.
- Silva gives short and simply response, not to mentioned cliche answers. No one will accuse him of being as verbose as Frank Mir. At this point it is expected.
- Silva’s interviews on Tatame or Portal Vale Tudo site are COMPLETELY different.
- Chael Sonnen has dominated EVERY fight he has been in including his submission losses like the one against Demian Maia. FACT!
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"Chael Sonnen has dominated EVERY fight he has been in including his submission losses like the one against Demian Maia."
If this is not sarcasm….
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Hey man, if Chael said it, then I guess it has to be true.
The UFC really needs more guys like Frank Mir (some what obssesive but brutally honest assessment of his opponents), Chael Sonnen, Rampage (with his awkward comedic act), James Toney (simply delusional blabber-mouth), and I guess the self-aggrandizing Tito Ortiz.
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by VeeisAnimated on Jul 27, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I kinda like the quiet assassins
But yeah more characters who are actually decent fighters would be cool.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
Can we get a link to a copy of the audio
I’d love to hear the whole conference call with my own ears to laugh with anticipation.
Chael, Chael, Chael
is about to fail, fail, fail
we know he can not derail,
the spider who’ll whip his tail,
all this will be’s another tale,
of when Sonnen fail, fail, failed.
…wow. haha
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 27, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhmm...
Could someone please add a “FAIL” action.
by Brian Burdios on Jul 27, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow. After all this shit talking I think Silva is going to get old school violent on his ass
dealing with Post-World Cup Depression
by DamnSevern on Jul 27, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
chael wins belt by dq, kick to the head while grounded, better hit the bookies!!!
by hot mma chick on Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
wrist roll ftw
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen is really embracing this entire thing and I love it, he’s in the exact frame of mind he needs to be in for this fight.
I cannot wait to see him put Silva out and give him the beating he’s deserved for a long long time.
Looks like Sonnen might make history twice at UFC 117, he’ll end Silva’s reign and get him fired all in one night.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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The Chael love reinforces my lack of love for many MMA"fans"
Funny how “WWE antics” are pissed and moaned about with Lesnar, Rashad is called “cocky” for his shit and Koscheck is a prick, but Chael is “funny” and “great for MMA”.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 27, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
So who, that isn’t trying to troll, has actually said Chael Sonnen is “great for MMA”? And regardless of that, it’s not like it’s some sort of mystery…the hate for Silva from UFC 112 is still fresh, there’s not going to be so many quick to defend Silva.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 27, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There is a large sentiment that cosigns Sonnen's behavior
There aren’t that many trolls.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I love Koscheck, Sonnen and Lesnar. Anyone with a little personality is a breath of fresh air in MMA. Every time I hear a fighter do the GSP nice guy routine I want to facepalm.
I love guys that get people riled up and pissed off. Beats the hell out of guys like Jake Shields, who no matter what just make fans shrug their shoulders.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 27, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i, and everyone else in the bar
laughed and cheered when brock did his post-100 speech. rashad is cocky, koscheck is a prick and chael is hilarious in the way that insane ramblers are hilarious
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Remember this statement
Sonnen will looks worse than Griffin did come fight time.
Damn I love Chael. He gets it.
Even if “it” ends up meaning he gets knocked into 2025 in two weeks, this has all been great fun.
I specializes in grammar fail.
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