August Heat: Five Fights That Will Heat Up the Summer
For the last two weeks we've been in the summer doldrums, a rare period without any major fight cards. It's been like an ugly flashback to the bad old days, when hardcore fans often had to wait months in between UFC and PRIDE shows. All that is about to change next month when the summer finally heats up with great shows all over the map. The fights are amazing across the board, but there are several that I am chomping at the bit to see-five cards, five fights, in four different promotions.
WEC 50: Scott Jorgensen (10-3) vs. Brad Pickett (19-4)
Scott Jorgensen has quickly become one of my favorite fighters, combining outstanding wrestling with a propensity to come charging forward and slug it out. Brad "One Punch" Pickett is another interesting young star. He's grown up under our watchful eye as fans, which may be why it's taken so long for hardcores to take Pickett seriously as a real challenger. We remember too clearly when he was a limited young prospect on the Cage Rage undercard, learning on the job against the Alex Owen's and Hideo Tokoro's of the world.
Quietly, however, Pickett has moved from prospect to contender. He's won nine fights in a row, including a win over Demetrious Johnson that opened eyes. Jorgenson represents a new level of opponent, a chance to see how Pickett performs against a great wrestler with a very aggressive attack-oriented style. The winner here will be in line for a title shot. The promotion is banking on Jorgenson-but I wouldn't bet the house on it.
UFC 117: Junior dos Santos (11-1) vs. Roy Nelson (15-4)
This is another fight that will put a talented prospect through his paces. Everyone has anointed Junior dos Santos as the next big thing-but who's bigger than Roy Nelson? Junior passed a major test by dispatching Mirko Cro Cop in Dallas last year, but Nelson presents a whole new set of problems.
The behemoth that won The Ultimate Fighter is a real fighter, but fans may be overstating his abilities a bit. Nelson has won two fights in the UFC, but they've been wins against two untested prospects, Brendan Schaub and Stefan Struve. People have seemingly forgotten that prior to his reality television debut, Nelson had lost his last two, falling victim to two UFC refugees (Andrei Arlovski and Jeff Monson).
Here's what we know: Roy Nelson isn't a world-class fighter. And if he can't pass this test, neither is Junior dos Santos. This is the most fascinating fight on a great UFC card.
Strikeforce-Houston: KJ Noons vs. Jorge Gurgel
Listen-it's easy to criticize Jorge Gurgel for his insistence on standing and banging when he might be better off taking fights to the mat. But the results, while bad for Gurgel, have been great for fans. Fight after fight, Jorge goes out and leaves it all in the cage. And, fight after fight, fans are treated to an amazing battle of wills.
Noons is a fighter with a lot of potential. He's a very solid wrestler and I don't think Gurgel, who has bad knees, will be able to take this one down even if he wanted too. Instead, Noons will test his technical boxing against Gurgel's indomitable will. I, for one, can't wait.
Bellator 24: Megumi Fujii vs. Angela Magana
Megumi Fujii is the best fighter to ever step into the ring for Bellator, and I'm thrilled by the opportunity to see her main event for the second time on American soil. Although you never know what is going to happen in a fight, a ground battle seems likely here. Both women are standouts on the mat, but Fujii stands above almost everyone else there. She's won 16 of her 20 fights by submission. I think she'll get her 17th submission here, moving on to the next round in Bellator's 115-pound tournament.
UFC 118: Kenny Florian (13-4) vs. Gray Maynard (9-0)
Joe Lauzon talked a little bit about this fight in our community interview. What's interesting here is what happens if the fight goes into the third round. Kenny Florian, as Lauzon points out, tends to outlast his opponents, staying strong in the latter rounds as other fighters fade. Maynard is a tireless worker who isn't likely to get exhausted.
Last time Florian faced a great wrestler like Maynard he was dismantled by the superb Sean Sherk, before Sherk turned himself into a short armed boxer who can't get inside his opponent's reach. What has Florian learned in the last couple of years that will make this look different? How have outside opportunities, like MMA Live on ESPN or his UFC announcing duties, affected his training and focus? There are several side plots here-plenty of questions about both men that need to be answered.
It's a fight everyone needs to watch carefully, especially the two guys in the main event. Whoever ends up with the lightweight title is likely to see the winner of this fight down the road-especially if it is Maynard who hasn't had his shot at the title yet.
These are just five of more than a dozen great fights coming up next month. This is truly the golden age of mixed martial arts. Which fight are you looking forward to the most in August? Let us know in our official Bloody Elbow poll.
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I think Nelson/JDS is the biggest because not only does it look to be a great fight in it’s own right, but many questions will (hopefully) be answered. How will JDS react to being pressured? How will he defend the takedown? Can Nelson compete at the elite level?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 26, 2010 7:04 PM EDT reply actions
I’m stoked for this fight as well. I think JDS will continue his reign of terror but who better to spoil it than Roy Nelson?
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 26, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed!
Speed of Dos Santos will be too much for Nelson.
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by ChicagoMarine on Jul 27, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I voted for that with Couture/Toney next.
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I was beginning to think that everyone forgot that before his great feat of beating Kimbo on TUF, that his record against the top 4 fighters on his record was 0-4. And that Struve and Shaub were not in the same league.
He had Andre Arlovski in all sorts of trouble before that God awful stand up, and the decisions in the Monson and Rothwell fights were stinkers, at best.
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ok but what people are really ignoring is that fact that gabe gonzaga who has better bjj then roy took JDS down twice and junior hopped right back up
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Once,actually
And Gonzaga never got JDS to the mat and controlled him, so we learned zippity.

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Well, Gonzaga is a BJJ world champion, and Roy isn’t. Although I would say at this point Roy’s MMA BJJ is better than Gonzaga’s, since he actually uses it and he’s not nearly as shop worn as Gonzaga is.
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Gonzaga has fallen in love with his striking, this is true. But his MMA BJJ is still pretty damn formidable. That, and Roy hasn’t submitted anyone in over 4 years.
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Roy uses his BJJ more for positional dominance and to set up ground and pound. Which is pretty wise in heavyweight MMA. His use of the crucifix position is brilliant, considering his build.
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Effectively using a crucifix on Kimbo Slice doesn’t mean a lot to me, I guess.
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Hahaha.
War Beer Monster for put putting this guy in his place.
Most overrated BJJ in MMA?
Roy Nelson
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 26, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He hustled Fabiano Scherner on the mat in the IFL, who’s a black belt.
He also completley dummied Frank Mir at Grapplers Quest. Last I checked, Frank Mir was kinna good at MMA BJJ.
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Yeah, you’re justifying Roy Nelson’s BJJ MMA (which you have been arguing all along)…with a grappling match for what, 7 years ago? That’s not MMA buddy.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 26, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well
When was Gonzaga’s BJJ championship from again?
Nope
I have seen them though. As i have seen gonzaga’s fight in 2006. That was 4 years ago, and it wasn’t MMA. You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
What exactly makes Frank MIr’s mma BJJ so great? he’s not anywhere near the level of a nog.
Goldberg on Leben: One thing's for sure--he really did break that door on the Ultimate Fighter.
Rogan: uh...yeah.
What makes Nog’s BJJ so good? He never did so great in ADCC. Got tapped by Ricco Rodriguez, actually.
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According to ADCC, Mark Kerr is the greatest
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Mayes pulled this same old card before
As if a 10 year old, insignificant grappling tournament has any bearing on Dos Santo’s vs Nelson today in the UFC.
Plus he won that grappling match by 1 slim point. Not exactly dummied.
yea but who has he used it against whos good?
i could be wrong since i havent seen many of roys pre ufc fights so ive only seen him use it on kimbo and justin wren who are hardly top heavyweights
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Because Gonzaga is a world champion in BJJ. Roy’s not.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 26, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Was a few years ago
Besides not all BJJ champs make an impact in MMA, and even better MMAth doesn’t work.
Uh, no one used MMAth here. And Nelson’s never come close to the results Gonzaga has in BJJ. He’s better than Nelson in sport BJJ. This is not even worth debating.
As for MMA BJJ, Roy’s is overrated. This is what I’m saying.
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But when it comes to a fight with JDS, does it really matter? The one time he’s been on his back, he was tapped in a little over a minute. Roy might not be Roger Gracie, but he definetly has better BJJ than JDS at this point.
If Roy puts Junior on his back, things will get interesting.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how if JDS loses to Roy it proves that he is not a world class fighter. Maybe, just maybe it would prove Roy is better than some people think he is.
by b2tharad on Jul 26, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
Gonzaga was brought into this because of his fight with JDS. The whole arguement was based on Dos Santos ability to get back on his feet after Gonzaga took him down.
That my friend is MMAth
Hey its the return of Mr Excuse!
I knew the great Moon Country would bring you out of the woodwork, do you and him share the same waist size or something?. You already tried this argument before and you lost it badly. Roy has not made any excuses for his losses and aside from you, nobody has written that the decisions and KO were stinkers, give it up already.
Yeah Roy was a victim of the shitty EliteXC refs that stood up the fighters WAY too early.
He should have had that victory.
I wasn’t as impressed with Pickett’s win over Demetrious because of the size difference. Pickett’s a big 135 and Johnson is a natural flyweight. I think Jorgensen’s game is perfectly suited for him to walk through a guy like Pickett.
Completely agree with your assessment of Roy Nelson. He’s getting a ton of hype but he’s not a top-notch fighter.
And not trying to be a grammar Nazi, but It’s Fujii. 2 I’s. And it’d be cool to link the community interview with Lauzon.
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i think jorgenson can be a champ
he’s a real interesting matchup against cruz and if he beats pickett i think he deserves a shot
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I voted for Silva vs Sonnen just because I want to see Silva punch Sonnen in the face!
JDS / Nelson should be a great fight though!
And I know that no one else is probably clamoring for this, but the fight I’m most looking forward to is Tim Kennedy vs. Jacare Souza, because I’m a huge Jacare fan.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 26, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
Good fucking call that’s going to be another great fight
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 26, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
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I Voted for Silva/ Sonnen, but Jacare/Kennedy is the fight i am looking foward to the most. I have been a fan of Jacare since i first knew of him (Plus he rep’s Souza’s very well (my surname), don’t know of any other fighters with the Souza surname). Kennedy is no joke and he most def is going to make this a fight to remember.
Agreed here!
Silva because I’m a fan and I’m interested to see how he responds to all the critics and Sonnen. But, Jacare/Kennedy is going to be fireworks. Two great fighters.
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by ChicagoMarine on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
That should be a great fight.
I too am a huge fan of the Alligator.
I don’t think I could pick 5 fights in August. Snowden’s picks are great, but how awesome this month will be.
These fights are all booked booked as well:
Tim Kennedy vs. Jacare Souza (as you mentioned)
-Souza is on the verge of top 10 condideration
Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami
- Huge fight for both fighters, especially if Silva does vacate his title within the next little while.
Jake Ellenberger vs. John Howard
-One of these guys take a huge step forward
Thiago Alves vs. Jon Fitch
-Finally we find out who really is number 2
Dominick Cruz vs. Joseph Benavidez
-I can’t imagine this being anything but fast paced and exciting
Frankie Edgar vs. B.J. Penn
-We see either a reinvigorated Penn or a true passing of the torch in emphatic fashion.
Plus the guilty pleasure fights like:
Marcus Davis vs. Nate Diaz
-Anyone think this will be boring?
Takanori Gomi vs. Tyson Griffin
-Someone gets back on the wagon, someone drops substantially. Both fighters are fun to watch.
Jorge Gurgel vs. K.J. Noons
-STANDANDBANG!!
lol at “finally we will find out who is #2”
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot the best one
Jones destroying Maty…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 27, 2010 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted for Couture vs Toney, but Silva vs Sonnen interests me the most, as I think Sonnen is actually going to give some Anderson some problems and should make him look human for awhile. Wouldn’t be shocked at all if he beat him, either.
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I really think Roy deserves a little more credit. If you’ve seen the Grappler’s Quest videos, you know what I mean. He’s got a lot more experience than a lot of guys in the UFC, and he’s learned much from it.
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by BadB on Jul 26, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hes an extremely well rounded fighter
which is funny to say cause of his physique but hes really not elite in any one category, i see JDS picking him apart and id see brock, cain, carwin and mir beating him too
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
How about Mark Munoz vs. Yushin Okami?
Okami had some of the most crisp boxing I’d ever seen from him and rearranged Linhare’s face. Munoz has some awesome ground-and-pound but his striking defense is still a concern for me. This is a fight that can determine if Okami can be a contender again or if Munoz is the real deal and not another one in the “What could’ve been….” category Brandon Vera is currently in.
By the way I like this article and hope you write more of these types of pieces instead of the ones that turn into poo-flinging contests.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
That’s going to be a great fight. I’m 99.9% certain that fight was put together to make Okami look like a killer. Munoz might have the worst strike defense of any UFC caliber fighter out there.
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He also might be up there in terms of wrestling. He’s fucking huge at 185. Interesting fight.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Basically coin flip between JDS vs Nelson and Silva vs Sonnen, but I voted for the latter. Agreed though, lots of great fights coming up in august and also later in the fall. I’ve also become a fan of Jorgensen, to be honest I don’t remember Pickett’s fights so far in WEC, but I’m looking forward to seeing them scrap nonetheless. Hopefully Scotty wins and gets his title shot! Florian/Maynard and Edgar/Penn are of course extremely interesting and hugely important for the UFC LW division, that’s going to be cool as well.
ummmm
marcus davis vs nate diaz anyone? fireworks galore…and marquardt/palhares aint no joke either
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Diaz will get tricked into a stand-up war and get schooled by Davis.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
so many great fights but i had to vote for couture\toney. that fight is guna have me so excited when it starts cos i have no idea whats guna happen. i think toney isnt guna undastand half the rules and be shouting at the ref for when couture is on top of him or if he tries to choke him.
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in regards to nelson’s two losses to arlovski and monson, i dont think those are good indicators of how good roy is. everyone knows about the controversy of the arlovski stand-up, but i’ve actually seen the nelson/monson fight (ur not missing much, its a snoozer) but roy was robbed and i even remember mma live commentating on the controversy of the decision…so i dont put much stock in those bouts, although i agree that roy gets waay too much credit for ko’ing schaub and struve. the fight i really wanna see is fitch/alves but im probably gonna get letdown cuz its hard to bank on alves seeing as how hes coming in off of a year long lay-off against someone like fitch
by MrMet527 on Jul 26, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
....And the other 4 came last Friday night.
Nick Garcia is the Brian Russell of MLS but 10 times worse.
I was coming here to say the same thing. Arlovski/Nelson is a little debatable as to who would have actually won but that terrible stand up certainly didn’t help anyone.
As for Monson/Nelson, it’s pretty agreed upon by most people that have seen the fight that Nelson won. Actually the only people that I am aware of that called that fight for Monson are the judges.
I’m really looking forward to Nelson/JDS the most.
Stylistically it’s hard to say who would win, we haven’t seen Dos Santos on the ground all that much in the UFC and if there is one thing about Nelson, it’s that his ground game is really good positionally and he has a hell of a chin. Without thinking about it too much I’d have to say either a decision for Nelson or a late 2nd or early 3rd round stoppage for Dos Santos.
Anyway, all that said, Roy Nelson UFC HW champ in 2012!
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by exsanguinator on Jul 26, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Silva/Sonnen for me
Silva is my favorite fighter. I’m sure I will be disappointed somehow with this fight but I always go into a Silva fight hoping to see a Leben/Franklin/Griffin display of greatness.
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by Superstitiousmma on Jul 26, 2010 8:10 PM EDT reply actions
Fujii
As the self-appointed gatekeeper of all MMA knowledge, maybe, just maybe, spelling a fighter’s name correctly would give you a little more credibility when arguing about how great that fighter is.
by Ironbuddha on Jul 26, 2010 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
wow
holy overreaction batman
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 27, 2010 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions
how is Nelson not a world class fighter?
if you’re ranked in the top 20 in your division, pretty sure you’re world class. Drinking that haterade still jonny?
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by Austin Martin on Jul 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
To some people there’s a difference between top 20 and world class. It’s not an insult, he’s just never shown the ability to consistently compete with the top of the top kind of fighters.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 26, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, people use that terminology in very different ways. For me, a fighter is world class if he’s able to make it into the UFC and stick around for more than a couple of fights (and obviously some fighters in other orgs), so I don’t have extreme criteria. Crafting an art (collegiate wrestling, boxing, BJJ), having a great amateur record, working your way through local and professional ranks, then getting signed to a major promotion— that’s world class to me (like a ball player that makes it into the MLB on a regular roster is, in most cases, a world class baseball player).
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Jon Madsen has gone 3-0 in the UFC. Joey Beltran has gone 2-0. Neither are within ten miles of sniffing at “world class”.
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my point exactly
I’m of the opinion that if you are in the top what % it takes to make it to the major leagues of your sport you’re world class. Wouldn’t you refer to most other professional athletes in the major sports as world class athletes? Nelson has a legitimate black belt, serious boxing skills, and he’s beaten two up and coming strong, big athletes. None near as dangerous as JDS, but Arlovski was coming off four wins in his fight against Roy and it’s what got him the Fedor fight. He was definitely as dangerous and talented as we consider JDS now and Roy had him in compromising positions until he got knocked out.
My point is, Roy is world class and he’s the only person on your list you decided to insult so much. I don’t understand the hate.
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by Austin Martin on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You really think Roy, at that point, equals what JDS is at now? JDS has wins over Fabricio Werdum, Mirko Cro Cop and Gabriel Gonzaga, and he knocked out Struve just as quickly as Nelson did. Roy Nelson hasn’t beaten anyone close to the caliber of the first 3 in his entire career. And doing good in a fight “until you get knocked out” just means you lost. AA was doing good against Fedor too until he did his flying dolphin impression.
I don’t see what he’s saying about Nelson as hate. Fans might be overstating his abilities a bit, and he’s not world class. That’s hardly that demeaning.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 26, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Saying the guy isn’t world class is an insult?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson losing on three days notice to the #2 ranked heavyweight in the world at the time, and dropping a controversial decision to Jeff Monson doesn’t keep him from being a great fighter. The guy has a superb ground game and good power in his hands.
I find it humorous that Snowden doesn’t think Roy Nelson is any good, yet he’s always making the case for Mark Coleman being one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.
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He didn't say he "isn't any good"
also it’s not exactly a good comparison to put a good-not-great fighter like Nelson who never had a run as the top in the sport against Mark Coleman who had significant periods of being the #1 in the world.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 26, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It comes off that way
And Coleman was #1 during a different era. Coleman’s best wins (not counting breaking Shogun’s arm) are still Dan Severn, Don Frye, Igor Vovchanchyn and Stephan Bonnar. He was great for his era, but he’s not one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. Not with that resume.
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I’m sorry man, but I’d absolutely say he’s one of the best of all time. He has a stellar resume.
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Tell me the fighters on Mark Coleman’s stellar resume that make him an all time great. The best win on his ledger is a fluke injury win over Shogun. The next best win is either Don Frye or Igor Vovchanchyn.
Compare his resume to another heavyweight all time great like Fedor, Nogueira, Couture, or Cro Cop, and you’ll see what I mean.
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Igor was one of the absolute best at the time Mark beat him, and he is an all-time great as well. People see a guy at the end of his career and the perception of them changes. Coleman winning that Pride GP was pretty incredible. He won 2 UFC tourneys and their HW title. Was he as good as Fedor, Big Nog, or CC? No. Couture is more debatable. But you just named (arguably) the 3 top HW’s of all time to this point. Being a little below them doesn’t mean he’s NOT an all-time great.
Hell, the guy went 13+ insane minutes with the current LHW champion when he was 44. That was pretty sick in itself.
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I’m not saying he wasn’t great for his time. Without a doubt. Legend? Of course. But his record isn’t that of an all time great. Sorry.
Couture isn’t debatable at all. The man consistently beat Top Ten opposition in two different weight classes for the majority of his career. Beating Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Vitor Belfort (twice), Pedro Rizzo (twice), Tim Sylvia, and Gabe Gonzaga mean something. If a guy put together that run today, people would still take notice. Compare that to Coleman’s resume, and you’ll see what I mean.
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The man consistently lost to top competition too. Couture’s a hero and I agree that he’s an all-time great, but I don’t think he’s THAT far ahead of Mark Coleman in scale. You’re looking at Sherdog’s fight finder and making your decisions based on what you know of these guys now. His wins over Severn, Igor, Morais, Frye, etc…you’re completely underestimating how good they were. They still hold up today as major, major victories. He was an innovator and introduced many things taken for granted in modern MMA.
I don’t know where you start and end an all-time list, but if Mark Coleman isn’t a top 10 HW of all time on yours, I think you need to re-evaluate your criteria.
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If you don’t think Couture and Coleman are that far apart, this debate is pointless. Couture consistently beat elite level opposition over a 10+ year time span. Coleman beat some guys that were pretty good for his time. Big difference. Couture’s wins over Liddell, Ortiz, Syliva and Gonzaga set him totally apart from Coleman.
I like Mark Coleman as a fighter and as a person. I think he put on a lot of great fights. But I’m not going to blow him up to be something he’s not. Should Renzo Gracie be a P4P great because he beat Mo Smith, Oleg Taktarov, Carlos Newton, Frank Shamrock and Pat Miletich?
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I’m not trying to debunk Couture, but you’re using Gabriel Gonzaga as proof that Randy’s an all-time great while dismissing Coleman’s big wins. You’re not understanding the significance of Coleman’s wins. I’ll just agree to disagree here.
And no, Renzo wouldn’t be. He beat Shammy by DQ. He beat Miletich long after he was at the top of his game. After the Mo win, he definitely had the ability to become an all-time great, but going 1-6 in his next 7 put an end to that. Coleman had losing streaks too, but his highs were way better than his lows.
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Renzo gets more credit than anyone but Royce in my book because of what Pat said before that fight: “I respect him because he doesn’t pick his opponents like his cousins”. Randy isn’t even that far above .500, but all of his losses are to good fighters.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You won’t find a bigger Renzo fan than me (other than maybe himself!), and he deserves all the credit he gets, but what he’s done in the cage/ring doesn’t = his reputation. And I always liked that line from Pat as well.
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Aww
Look at us bonding – maybe it’s just how well the Legacy DVD on Renzo was done, but I love him after seeing that. The Ryan portion and rolling with Daniel were hysterical.
“My brother Hyan, God damn”
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, one of my favorite DVD’s ever, not even just MMA-related. “I will die shitting in my pants like everybody else!” Uh, okay Renzo.
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Renzo Gracie is a stud, and “Legacy” is a must watch for any true MMA fan……although the whole Penn/Dave Camarillo conspiracy was played up a little too much IMHO.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 26, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
“What do you think about BJ Penn?”
Cesar: “Traitor motherfucker.”
And people think Royce was the nuttiest Gracie. Cesar is a nut tree, and everyone else is just empty shells on the ground.
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BAH
It was Ralph. Too much Diaz talk got me thinkin bout Cesar. RALPH is the nut tree.
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To be fair, some of the stuff Ryan pulled in Pride was pretty wild. You knew when he started shouting “Noooo” to the ref, you were in for some quality entertainment.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 27, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I love how this thing likes to hyperlink when you don’t properly space sometimes.
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by Brian Mayes on Jul 27, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Crazy Ryan was always a trip. I’ve told this story before, but a friend recently got into the sport and watched every Pride show in order in about a month. He called me and said that he loved Ryan Gracie and he was his new favorite fighter. I told him he was dead, and he was devastated. “Ryan Gracie was my favorite fighter for four days. And now he’s dead. Well, that sucks.”
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Fine...
Royce Gracie sucked too
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 26, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody sucks.
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walla walla walla
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck is a Derek Suboticki?
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by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Scientists are working diligently
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh!
These comparisons happen all the time. Hendo was the #2 MW in the world and then the UFC let him go. He loses to Sheilds (who everyone said was a boring scrub that should move back down to WW). All of a sudden Hendo is old and washed up, as if by magic. Then Sonnen is up against Silva, and everyone still quotes Hendo as being a far better wrestler than Sonnen.
It’s a merry-go round that never ends. As a sport that can have some very sudden/strange/ridiculous (but ALWAYS entertaining) outcomes. I think consistency is really what counts.
Sonnen is a better wrestler than Henderson. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t watch much MMA. Henderson got outwrestled by Ninja Rua.
Henderson is and was a great fighter. He’s just older now and starting to fade. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t a fantastic fighter and one of the best to ever lace up the gloves. Anyone who says otherwise is a fool. The guy beat a who’s who of elite competition for 10+ years and gave a lot of guys he didn’t beat great fights. He should be fondly remembered for his rematch with Minotauro Nogueira and his 5 round war with Rampage Jackson, if nothing else.
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Sonnen is for sure a better wrestler than Hendo. I was just showing a fan trend. Hendo is NOT washed up is what i was getting at, and people are fickle. You say Coleman isn’t one of the all-time greats, i lean toward agreeing with you. Though you can’t really complain with other people mentioning as one.
We are so young as a sport that there are plenty of heroes to choose from.
Annnd, I tune out!
I hate this “so and so wasn’t great because when you look back on his opponents, they sucked!” Yeah, by modern standards; fact is, they were the competition at the time and Coleman dominated. IN the present, USING present standards, Nelson has faced some tough guys and generally come up short.
Historical revisionism for the sake of running down great fighters from the past is lame. Watering down present standards so that Roy Nelson can carry the label “world class” is equally lame.
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Completely agree
Coleman, like Fedor, fought the top guys at the time.
Looking back now, especially at those who fought long past their prime, its easy to be revisionist, but at the time they fought, people weren’t looking at these guys as cans.
Could Igor or Cro Cop in their primes beat the Lesnar or JDS of today? Doubtful, the game has evolved too much.
But IMO it is beyond dispute that these guys were “world class” in their time.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 27, 2010 9:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Last time Kenny faced a great wrestler he was dismantled by Sean Sherk
So what does that make Guida and Stevenson, scrubs? Kenny has shown improved wrestling in all his fights and recently dominated Guida who’s entire game relies on wrestling.
There’s a lot of room between “great” and “scrub.”
by Jonathan Snowden on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Not on the internet!
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
BC/JDS & Fugii/Magana
Out of your main picks.
I really liked this, there are some good fights coming up. I think that Roy has much more of a chance than most give him credit for. Maybe we get to see what Dos Santos has learned under Nog.
Fugii is just the BEST womens fighter in her weight class (i thought she was gonna retire though). I look forward to her showing off her grappling skills.
I have lost a little faith in Jorgenson after his last fight. He took way too long to find his rhythm and distance, and he’ll get punished for that by the top fighters.
Florian really should win this. He is the more “complete” fighter and has shown that he has enough aggression and cardio to wear opponents down (and even finish them off), especially if they rely on one tactic too many times.
good talk.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 27, 2010 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Forget about the belly, look at that fuckin’ haircut. My mother had identical in the ’80s.
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by dancingChicken on Jul 27, 2010 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry dude.
There's no depth to my shallowness.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 27, 2010 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
German football players were also sporting those haircuts.

(that’s not my mother:)
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by dancingChicken on Jul 27, 2010 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it’s pretty famous “incident”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXmXpDfWUlM&feature=related
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it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 28, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fitch-Alves 2 for me
And how is Roy Nelson not world class?
by FrostyGreenz559 on Jul 26, 2010 9:21 PM EDT reply actions
Doesn't Jon Jones fight in August?
Because that’s the August fight I’m looking forward to most.
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The golden age of MMA?
I like that.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 9:59 PM EDT reply actions
Before you have a pair of ribs removed....
…I’ve been saying that shit for a long time.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but to whom, and in what format?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 26, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck
Nothing as official as a BE Fanpost.
Actually.. it might have been in a BE Fanpost.
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by Blackout612 on Jul 26, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions

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