Should the UFC Do More for Fighter Safety in Non-UFC Bouts?
Dr. David Mayeda has a really thought provoking column:
The conundrum for the UFC and other established MMA organizations is that they need these smaller "minor league" organizations to nurture future competitors who can one day reach the highest level of competition (currently the UFC). Yet, the major and minor MMA organizations lack a formal relationship. None of the major MMA organizations provide smaller, regional ones with the financial backing that would allow for a more robust medical infrastructure and help prevent the most serious ramifications of sporting violence. Thus, up and coming fighters must gain experience in smaller organizations, where the risky consequences of more serious violence and injury rise.
In other sports, even violent, collision-sports, such as football, an infrastructure exists that at least in theory is there to help prevent tragedy at all levels, from the NFL, down through the collegiate, high school, and even Pop Warner levels (true, serious injuries, even deaths, still occur on occasion). Granted, MMA has only been formally institutionalized in the United States now for 17 years. Still, we as a society know the immediate and long-term risks of collision and combat sports (football induced head trauma is now well documented).
Professional and semi-pro mixed martial artists - frequently seduced by the financial gains and popularity that the sport's biggest stars enjoy - should be treated as human beings, not as collateral damage dismissed in the wake of the sport's growth. Neither society's thirst for violence nor a sport's increasing popularity should be cited to justify or excuse athlete safety.
Perhaps this means larger MMA organizations like the UFC and Strikeforce need to consider investing their profits in smaller organizations to help improve an infrastructure that bolsters safety precautions - obviously a major financial undertaking and one unlikely to transpire. However, this would be an investment in the fighters, who at the lower levels receive less reward for more risk. Bottom line - until some structural change is made, sporting violence will continue to harm MMA athletes at the lower levels to a disproportionately large degree.
I have to heartily second Dr. Mayeda's suggestion. The bigger MMA promotions -- UFC and Strikeforce -- should be required to subsidize fighter safety at the lower levels since without those smaller organizations, there would be no fighters for the big orgs to feature.
UPDATE: My initial thought on implementing such a thing would be a small fee added to tickets and PPVs for major events. I'm thinking $1 per ticket or PPV order. This would be earmarked for a national fighter safety fund. Ideally manned by federal officials, but it could also be distributed to state athletic commissions based on how many fights they regulate per year.
Admittedly, this is far from an ideal solution, but something needs to be done to protect fighters at the lower tiers of MMA.
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That sets a dangerous precedent
Namely that everything can be blamed on the UFC.
by Razzel on Jul 25, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
yes, college
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
and NFL Europe
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by PapaBumpants on Jul 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
tho that did disband i guess……
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by PapaBumpants on Jul 25, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
now its the CFL and USFL. "minor" league isnt really the best term for what Kid Nate is talking about. MMA definately needs a minor league but i personally read his comment to be far more directed at a development league
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A fucking idiot made that poster
Way to spell Nikita Khrushchev, dummy
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
it was created by Sarah Pallin
but then she refudiated it.
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
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Relevant to the article – I’d love to see the UFC help out the minor leagues, or even set up their own smaller, regional organizations (UFC South, UFC Southwest, UFC New England, etc), but I don’t know how thin that would spread them out. They’re already fighting battles in Canada, Germany, New York & other states – how much more can they competently do right now?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
On that note...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
So if I start up a small-time website to compete with you guys, are you going to subsidize me?
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Jul 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 11 recs
typical closed minded response to a socialist way of looking at things
im not bashing you, its nothing personal i just knew i would encounter this
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
he has a point though
and I’d argue that this isn’t socialism either, social programs should only be imposed by the government, private businesses should always stay capitalistic, why should a business owner throw money into another business unless there is something to gain? The argument here is that they would gain with future prospects, but that should be left for the business to decide, and we shouldn’t expect them to do so…
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
by Orcus on Jul 25, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
valid point
in rebuttal look at Socialistic Medicine Systems, everything is standardized and everybody has healthcare. this is the type of system we need for MMA promotions. The goverment (the athletic commissions) should foot the bill for the required testing. Now as you correctly pointed out this isnt pure socialiam but it leans further then capitalistic system we have now
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
basically everything Brent said in his green post below me lol
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
as long as it isn't the business owners
and instead a government program, I’m down with it :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
its rather amusing to see socialism be the thing folks picked out of my comment… I am a pretty ardent socialist myself, I wrote my undergraduate economics thesis basically denouncing Friedrich Hayek’s Road to Serfdom, so its a subject near and dear to my heart.
However, compelling one firm in a competitive industry to help offset the costs of one of their competitors is unlikely to work. Not being able to afford the necessary costs of operation is a clear sign that your product is unwanted or your organizational structure is faulty. Propping up failing firms is not at all what socialism is about.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
yeah
I could even consider myself somewhat of a socialist, the amount of social projects imposed by the current administration in my country is doing wonders in changing the lifestyle of many, and I applaud them for that, but businesses are not touched – with the exceptions of taxes of course :p
the following two things are signs of weaknesses:
stay silent when it's needed to speak up, and speak up when it's needed to stay silent.
The only thing the UFC should be responsible for in that regard is if they set up their own minor leagues, which I wouldn’t mind. Making the big corp responsible for the little companies mistakes that they have nothing to do with is kinda like punishing the UFC for being successful.
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If the UFC wants regional feeder leagues, they should just buy some existing ones with built-in audiences and track records or something. However, if they wanted feeder leagues they probably would have done this already. I don’t think they either want or need that because 99% of the time, anyone that would be in a feeder league is going to be someone they’d have no trouble signing anyway.
King of the Cage really is the top of the Regional Lines
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by B-A-N-A-N-A-S on Jul 25, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Socialism in sports?
Dumb.
And before someone compares this to revenue sharing, not the same at all.
The UFC should help IF the organizations allow the UFC to farm the company. Otherwise. No.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
A much more realistic approach here is for state athletic commissions to take a much more hands on approach with smaller organizations (including those that avoid regulation by only hosting amateur bouts). And for a portion of the money brought in by athletic commissions (by all promotions, obviously the UFC or Strikeforce would bring in more money in these cases) to be put toward more thorough medical screening (pre and post fight checks) and on site care.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 10 recs
^^^ This
I don’t think money making corporations like Zuffa should be the accountable ones, it should be the commissions that exist for that purpose.
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on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
Right...
there is money coming in right now to these commissions but I don’t think there is a set up for how it is distributed exactly and making sure that the medical aspects are never overlooked in favor of upgrades to the AC’s bank account.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree with you BB
the small organization i/my gym fights out of for the most part doesnt even do blood tests before the fights. What’s worse is there is a plasma donation center near where most of the fighters live that actually pay you to go there and they do a free blood test so I’m sure the promoter could work something out. He used to do blood tests but once the commission stopped regulating mma he stopped doing blood tests.
Should the UFC be more heavily 'taxed' by the Athletic Commissions?
So the Athletic Commissions have the money to more thoroughly and effectively protect the safety of pro and amateur fighters at the grass-roots level?
This
Should be policy.
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by thetakeover on Jul 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
And the presence of the athletic commissions is going to help keep the UFC from getting involved with the smaller guys.
The government can pressure MLB and NFL to help people lower on the food chain because MLB and NFL want to keep the government out of their business. The government is already in the UFC’s business, they should handle it.
that's what I was thinking of
didnt mean to imply the UFC should directly manage the program.
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bq.Bottom line – until some structural change is made, sporting violence will continue to harm MMA athletes at the lower levels to a disproportionately large degree.
This will continue to happen primarily due to uneven matches at the small promotions, and it’s up to the athletic commissions to regulate – and either allow or refuse to allow mismatches to take place.
Also, the UFC and Strikeforce are likely already subsidizing these smaller promotions through taxes and fees to the athletic commissions. I can’t find any verification at the moment, but I’m under the impression that, in addition to the flat fees required for licensing, promotions pay additional taxes/fees based on gate/ticket sales. And, ultimately, it’s the ACs that are in charge of fighter safety.
So… the proposed idea is essentially already being implemented via the athletic commissions.
by mma_critic on Jul 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
The double edged sword
On one side of the ledger, you have people who fear a UFC monopoly and fear the idea that the sport will become the UFC rather than MMA. These are people who want the UFC to be one organization and not a sanctioning body or some kind of ruling company for the sport.
On the other hand you have people, sometimes the same people, advocating that the UFC should be propping up these smaller promotions. That Zuffa should feel responsible for what happens in some small time semi pro show in Alabama.
They can’t win.
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by Worldisart on Jul 25, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Nate, I think if you’re going to make a claim like this it’s pretty requisite you explain how the mechanism of this redistribution is going to work.
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by Luke Thomas on Jul 25, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Brent has a more realistic solution above (maybe Nate could append it to bottom of original post as an update)
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by thetakeover on Jul 25, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Banned.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
other sports, even violent, collision-sports, such as football, an infrastructure exists that at least in theory is there to help prevent tragedy at all levels, from the NFL, down through the collegiate, high school, and even Pop Warner levels
And how did this infrastructure get put into place? It sure wasn’t the NFL paying the dues.
If you make Strikeforce subsidize this on any significant level, there won’t be a Strikeforce anymore. And since you like to imply that the UFC is always on the verge of financial catastrophe, where is this money coming from?
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by joker24 on Jul 25, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
wait wat
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by The Omaplatapus on Jul 25, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions
How ridiculously...
…socialist of you, Kid Nate.
WOOPS
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by Brent Nahmias on Jul 25, 2010 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
A simple proposal
Zuffa (and Strikeforce to a degree) should assist in the founding of a mma association, basing it along the lines of the the United States Tennis Association and the United States Golf Association. It would not be a fighters’s association, there is no way in hell the UFC is going to help back that. It would be a non-profit that is established be a to standardize rules and regulations and to promote and develop the growth of mma. It could work on training judges and refs, assisting promotions in getting proper medical treatment, setting minimum standards for promotions and amateurs etc. Maybe it could set an age limit of 18 for those taking part in mma events. The early, feeder systems would be left to traditional combat sports: judo, wrestling, boxing, grappling, kickboxing, etc.
And to finance it, all member promotions would pledge $1 per ticket sold and 1% of all ppv revenue (or $0.45 per buy). The biggest burden would fall on the UFC of course, but they also have the most to gain by having someone out there fighting the good fight for them.
Come one Dana and Scott, lets make the North American Association of Mixed Martial Arts reality!
If the groups like WAMMA and such actually wanted to make a difference they would take this approach.
If WAMMA spent more time talking about this kind of stuff instead of crying about the best fighting the best, they would have had a leg to stand on, maybe people would have cared, and maybe they would have been able to actually make a difference.
If a group like this got together and made improving fighter safety for all fighters one of their main goals, more people would care and listen, and they might be able to shame/guilt zuffa into participating. I don’t think zuffa is going to start it on their own now (not when NY and Toronto, at least aren’t sanctioned), but this is the way for all the people that say they want to improve things for the fighters to actually try and improve something instead of blowing a lot of hot air.
No
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by Marvin Malehooves on Jul 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions
There are so many economic fallacies
I don’t think I could even go through everything right now without having a headache. Above all this would set a dangerous precedent and give the government the power to FORCE large companies to subsidize any small company for any reason if there is a direct or indirect link to them. A ruling like this would have far reaching consequences with many not being good.
This is another example of the problem so many people have when looking at economics. They only analyze the short term consequences applauding the so called “ethical business perspective” and fail to follow the pipeline to see the unintended long term problems. This happens, precisely because it takes a concentrated and concerted effort to analyze all the effects of a given policy. Many effects are invisible to the naked eye I and a special way of thinking is needed to see how other parts of the particular industry, different businesses, capital, etc. are affected. The very policy’s original purpose can eventually do more harm than good in the future.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 25, 2010 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I see no reason why the major orgs would be forced to throw money at this, that just seems like a gross overstepping of the governments limits. I do think, that it would be reasonable for these two orgs however to throw money at these smaller organizations in order to avoid tragedies which shine a poor light on the sport. If they use their funds to maintain safety at all levels, thus helping the sport, it could help their business. This should however be entirely their prerogative, nobody should make them do this.
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Regardless of what business you’re in, whenever someone proposes putting in place disincentives for people to try to compete with you (i.e. become a “big org”), you’ve got to at least consider it.
re: update
That idea will cause trouble when it comes to defining “major show” and puts too much of the burden on the big guys.
Everyone putting on fights is responsible for fighter safety, so everyone should have to put money into this pot. Obviously the smaller shows would have to put in less, whether you want to put a flat tax on the gate, or some sort of sliding scale to get a little bit more out of Zuffa/Sf is up for debate, but smaller promotions should not get a free ride. The cost of fighter safety is the cost of doing business.
sure
everyone should pony up a % of their revenue. but realistically most of the money will come from the UFC.
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The tough part would be defining which revenues to tax.
You can’t just tax PPV revenue since that basically lets everyone off the hook but the UFC. You can’t just tax the gate because that lets companies that rely on casino fees rather than gate receipts off the hook. You can’t just tax broadcast revenue because the vast majority of local/regional promoters don’t have any. You would need to find some equitable way of determining revenues that everyone could agree to.
I don’t see how this would increase safety, I would have thought it would just outsource the cost of safety and allow the promoter to pocket more profit.
by brad23 on Jul 25, 2010 3:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How about
If you can’t afford to properly test athletes, you don’t hold MMA cards?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 25, 2010 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
But the promoter of South Carolina event DID meet all the medical standards.
The real problem is that while there are some semblance of ‘unified rules’ in North American MMA, the medical standards are all over the place and nowhere near uniform. That is the problem that needs to be addressed IMO. An MMA fighter in South Carolina should be entitled to the same level of medical screenings as a fighter from Nevada or New Jersey. Right now, that is not the case.
Is something preventing the promoter from providing that level of care?
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As big of a socialist as I am,
…and I’m pretty much a pinko, I don’t see how this falls on the UFC.
I get that the money needs to come from somewhere, and that the UFC has more of it than anyone else, but this isn’t rural electrification we’re talking about. This is taking money directly from Zuffa and giving it to their competitors. Either promoters need to be able to cover the necessary expenses or they need to stay out of the fight game.
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But isn’t the UFC and Strikeforce benefitting from the smaller promotions doing the work of finding and developing the fighters? They don’t need to finance expensive feeder and development programs while getting the rewards of receiving the finished product. And won’t the UFC – even more so than Strikeforce or Bellator – be the beneficiary of these smaller promotions now being safer environments, so they don’t have to worry about the blowback from such things as the SC story.
To me there two questions that have to be proposed to the major promotions:
- Do you want smaller promotions to continue to handle the task of developing your future talent?
- Do you want these promotions to follow a much higher (and much more expensive) medical testing procedures than what is current?
If the answer is yes to both of these then someone is going to have to come up with a way to help these smaller promotions and amateur leagues out, because they won’t be able to afford the full battery of medical tests we would probably like to see.
Don't the smaller promotions benefit
from the UFC and Strikeforce continuing to hold great cards and making MMA more of a mainstream sport, which gives them a fanbase to cater to when they hold their local fights?
Don’t the smaller promotions benefit from the UFC spending millions of dollars in PR campaigns to get MMA legalized and sanctioned in new states, thereby allowing these smaller promotions to exist and small-time promoters to make money while fighters get a chance to earn experience?
There are symbiotic relationships throughout every level of life. This doesn’t mean that those at the top of the food chain are obligated to pay for others who are lower down.
That is true, but that still doesn’t answer my two questions. if you want smaller promotions to continue to develop your talent, but you ask that they follow procedures that would be too expensive for them, then we have a disconnect. Right now I only see three options: either we want to get rid of the smaller promotions, not worry about safety, or find a way to keep the smaller promotions and make them safer. If it’s the third option, then someone somewhere has got to come up with a new system, because the current one is not working.
You're arguing from the same flawed premise as Dr. Mayeda
The smaller promotions don’t exist to support the UFC any more than the UFC exists to provide a motivation for fighters to take up MMA in the first place. (Nobody dreams of being the Arkansas Inter-county Champ.) And as Paul points out, those smaller companies are already getting the long end of the stick in comparison.
Meanwhile, I’m not arguing that we don’t need smaller promotions, but how many and how small? Does every asshole with a ring and the space to put it up get to suck off of Zuffa’s corporate teat to make a buck? Or should we expect these businesses to be a few steps up from lemonade stand? Seriously, if you don’t have the funding to do this right, go set up a carwash or something where you won’t risk people’s lives.
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![Brazilian TV Exec Says UFC Coming To Brazil in 2011
Danilo Lavieri of Abril.com interviews Terence Paiva, RedeTV! sports director (translation by Chris Nelson):
While (RedeTV!) has been increasing the exposure of MMA, have you looked into broadcasting national events?
In truth, we can't. The agreement with the UFC doesn't allow us to show other fighting championships. But the way around this is to create something here, something like a selective (feeder) for the UFC. That we could broadcast.
Hence the idea of bringing The Ultimate Fighter to Brazil?
When we did the deal with the UFC, they wanted us to broadcast TUF. But our experience with The Contender showed that it doesn't do much. People watch, but it doesn't have the necessary impact. Brazilians want to see Brazilians in action. Brazilians don't like things captioned. So we want to bring TUF here, yes, with Brazilian fighters. But they're different ideas. One does not preclude the other.
Canal Combate's contract with the UFC ends in 2011. Do you really want to get this contract for yourselves?
Not quite. This makes it sound like RedeTV! is the enemy of others. It isn't. We want to broadcast something, something that goes beyond our current deal [21 days after the event takes place]...
And RedeTV! will be partnering with the UFC to bring fights to Brazil?
Also not so. People exaggerate, saying RedeTV! will bring (the UFC to Brazil) and things like this. We're a partner of the UFC and we're going to give them full support so they come here. In fact, they'll be here in 2011. That's for sure. There are some details missing, like where it will take place and whatnot. Now they view us as a market.](http://cdn0.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/133278/redetv_small.jpg)










