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Honest Moments in Combat Sports Commentating: Michael Schiavello and Mike Kogan Do K-1 Edition

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Michael David Smith highlights their candor during last night's K-1 broadcast:

That's why Michael Schiavello and Mike Kogan deserve a ton of credit for the way they called the Kazuyuki Miyata vs. Kazuhisa Watanabe K-1 World MAX tournament fight that aired on HDNet Friday.

As Miyata and Watanabe flailed at each other and showed off an ugly lack of kickboxing skill, Schiavello questioned what the two of them were doing as the primary reserves in thetournament.

"This is a strange fight to have as the reserve fight because honestly, neither of these men could go into that tournament," Schiavello said. "They would get murdered."

Kogan was even more blunt.

"Don't get me started," Kogan replied. "I might get fired for this, but no, of course not. It's ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. This fight is ridiculous."

Miyata won the fight by unanimous decision, but Schiavello made sure the fans watching at home didn't believe they were watching a high-quality kickboxing match, saying, "Miyata has no place in a K-1 ring."

Said Kogan, "He sucks. Honestly, he sucks. ... He has no business here. ... It's insulting. This is K-1. Don't come here if you don't know what the hell you're doing."

I second MDS' commendation.

For my money, no one is more candid about the skill and significance of the competitors he's commentating than HBO Boxing's Jim Lampley. Despite what a personally repugnant character he is and despite his irrational distate for MMA, his candor when commentating boxing fights is refreshing and compared to the borderline pro-wrestling histrionics of MMA commentating, a far superior product.

That being said, Joe Rogan's candor deserves underscoring. Rogan is a special guy. He is able to simultaneously be a company man while at least having the appearance of unbiased analysis. That's a hard trick to pull off, but Rogan does it with precision. His "tough balls" comment in regards to being held down by superior grapplers stands out as a moment of note. But in regards to evaluating the talent of competitors, Rogan gave both Kevin Jordan and Gabriel Gonzaga very honest assessments about their performance at UFC 56 during the broadcast (up until Gonzaga's late third round superman punch). Both fighters looked lethargic, unmotivated and just generally incapable and Rogan acknowledged as much, going so far as to say that this is not how you get invited back by UFC matchmaker Joe Silva.

Candor in combat sports will always be hard to come by given that it's very existence is controlled by the entity putting the event together. That's why real moments of honesty with themselves, the fighters, the show and the audience are important to acknowledge. True honesty is harder to come by in fights where the stakes are the highest, but we shouldn't be so jaded as to reject honesty simply because fights don't carry the sport on their shoulders. Hats off to Schiavello and Kogan for calling it like they saw it...last night, anyway.

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My favorite Rogan moment will always be when he called out Maynard after he KO’d himself taking down Emerson. “Dude, you were OUT.” “No I wasn’t!” “Dude, look at the time. You’re OUT!”

I’m a big Voice fan, but his honesty goes both ways IMO. It’s great that he’s calling it like he sees it in this case, but in the case of Overeem/Hari when he went completely overboard and threw all objectivity out the window, his honesty was a detriment to the broadcast.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 24, 2010 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

It was dumb at the time

But I still LOL whenever I see it.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was beyond dumb

It was a disgrace. Such blatant favouritism should not be shown by professional broadcasters.

Agreed though that it makes for a funny gif, but when it went down live I found it appalling, and this reminds me of how much I disliked that showing.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is incredibly unnecessary and over the top, but then again that describes most of Schiavello’s style tbh.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, yes, I’m not a fan of his style either, but the point was more that the whole broadcasting team was wholeheartedly cheering for Overeem to be knocked out (K-1 WGP 2009 final, semifinal against Badr Hari). Then when it does happen, they break out into that celebration like little schoolgirls, very unprofessional. The worst of the three was Ray Sefo, which is not surprising as he has beef with Overeem, but Kogan and Schiavello weren’t much better. Here’s the video of the fight with the commentary and post-celebration, if anyone feels like revisiting.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sefo looks like he’s riding an invisible rollercoaster.

by Chris Nelson on Jul 24, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would have loved to have heard Rogan commentating on Kalib Starnes at UFC 83

Unfortunately, he couldn’t and Kenflo(yeah i just did that) had to commentate. He’s obviously in a position where he can’t openly criticize a fighter in fear of backlash from his fellow professionals.

I can imagine Rogan going all ‘spilled bag of ice’ with the Starnes fight.

by Holls Hoyce on Jul 24, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch Kalib Run

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rogan's "Tough Balls" Comment...

Wasn’t that from Couture/Sylvia, when Big Tim kept looking at the ref to stand them up?

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

yes.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

the bellator crew was horrible during the imada curran fight

after maybe the biggest robbery of the year they just talked about what a good story curran was

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Jul 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Imada had that 29-28 for sure maybe even 30-27

by SilverNBlackZach! on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats even worse is that he lost 100k for not winning the tournament

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmy Smith did have Imada winning the fight and it felt/looked like he wanted to say something about how horrible the decision was but forced himself not to. I wish he could have said something at the end of the broadcast.

In Smith’s defense, I do feel he’s the best color commentator in MMA not named Joe Rogan. He has criticized a lot of guys techniques (Huerta), talked about stuff he doesn’t particularly care for (10th Planet) and has memorably disagreed with Wheelock about whether a fight was technical or sloppy (Askren vs Thomas). I imagine if he had Rogan’s freedom he would be even better.

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by RagingNoodles on Jul 24, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Lost 100k"?

Wouldn’t that imply that they took $100k from him? I mean, I didn’t lose $20 million by picking the wrong numbers in last week’s lottery. :-)

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by jemaleddin on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still miss Mezger calling Japanese MMA.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Lately it’s been Trigg.

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by Sergio Non on Jul 24, 2010 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as they stayed away from talking about the Saku fight....

he was okay.

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by Tonley on Jul 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just loved him every time a fight was going to decision.

“Well, (blank) should win this… BUT YOU NEVER KNOW, SINCE THIS IS JAPAN… (grumble grumble)”

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anyone has a right to bitch

it’s Guy.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Kogan as a K-1 commentator.

But he should stay away from calling MMA fights.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Kogan is the director of FEG USA. I don’t think he should be within 100 ft. of a commentary booth.

by Chris Nelson on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nevermind the fact that he SUCKS at it.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, the leader of the Asian Invasion!

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Said Kogan, “He sucks. Honestly, he sucks. … He has no business here. … It’s insulting. This is K-1. Don’t come here if you don’t know what the hell you’re doing.”

Well Kogan why don’t you tell FEG to stop putting MMA fighters in K-1 bouts….oh wait…

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by Tonley on Jul 24, 2010 5:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good piece

I agree with the sentiment. The ridiculously exaggerated commentary trying to hype up fights not worth it is something I find very annoying, but at this point I’m pretty much used to it as something you sadly more often than not have to put it with when watching MMA. I might be wrong but I find it very “american” in a sense. It might fool a few of the casual fans a bit, but for the initiated fan it’s insulting really. Toning it down a bit and being more honest about the action unfolding would be a good tip for many of the commentators out there (and not calling every single superman-punch ever thrown, god dammit!).

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Just wanted to add, man what a great event that was! The K-1 MAX final 16 & 63 KG tournament final that is, just finished watching it. Great stuff, especially the whole 63 kg tournament, with the exception of that dud of a replacement fight with Watanabe vs Miyata. Actually, that’s a factual error in the MDS piece you quoted, he’s saying that it was “K-1 World MAX tournament fight”, which is wrong because K-1 MAX is -70kg, and that fight was at -63 kg (which does not go under the MAX banner). The 70 kg fight between Dida and Nagashima wasn’t very good either, come to think of it.
Other than that, awesome card of superb K-1 action. This 63 kg division they’ve started with has been great so far, looking forward to seeing more of it. Also hoping FEG are successful with their plains to expand the K-1 brand, I am as big fan of that as of MMA, so if they would manage to put on more world class events than currently I would be a very happy camper.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

For now, they’re still lumping the 63kg division in as “MAX”, so even though MAX has in the past referred just to 70kg, it now encompasses both. 63 really needs it’s own identity though.

Glad you dug the show too! I thought it was the best K-1 card of the year so far, and the tournament was spectacular with an amazing final. Hopefully it will turn more folks on to K-1.

And thumbs up to this article as well. Kogan and (to a lesser degree) The Voice have a LOT of haters, but this is a great aspect of their commentary that is often overlooked. They’ve done it in the past too – namely during the dull Teixeira v. Jaideep fight last year, and when TAKE-HERO Murahama made his K-1 debut, looked awful, and was soundly criticized in the commentary. I’m sure some people will take fault with this, but I find it honest and refreshing.

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by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 24, 2010 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, really? I guess I misunderstood, thanks for pointing it out.

Yeah man, how could you not like action like that? You’re right, definitely the best K-1 card of the year so far. I don’t know too much about the viewership numbers and such, but yes it would be great to see K-1 gaining more popularity. Maybe hybrid K-1 / MMA cards could help? Personally I love to see those, brings a nice change of pace and the best of both worlds, complements each other very good. I was a K-1 fan years before I started watching MMA, it’s always been strange to me that not more MMA fans are following K-1, as basically everyone seems to like fast-paced and technical stand-up battles.

By the way, I think you guys do a great job with HKL, kudos for that. The only problem for me is that it often takes me several weeks to get to see the events, which means I have to stay away from the site in the meantime to avoid spoilers. If it wasn’t for that I would visit more regularly for sure!

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the compliments and your support – both are most appreciated!

Yes, The inability to watch all K-1 events live is a killer. Even something like the MAX finals will probably get postponed on HDNet for a few days, which means either tracking down a Japanese feed, or reporting the news before getting to see the fights. It can be a difficulty at times, and is definitely a major hurdle to K-1 getting more popular worldwide. The HDNet partnership has been a HUGE plus and the ability to watch K-1 is miles ahead of where it was 2 years ago, but it’s still got a long way to go to match even small MMA shows.

But yeah, I love the action, and I think a lot of MMA fans would dig things like this show, which is just great and features the kind of awesome stand-up you have to love.

And If anyone missed it on HDNet, here is the tournament final between Tetsuya Yamato (white shorts) and Yuta Kubo (black shorts). GREAT fight!

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/7/6/1554516/daily-fights-tetsuya-yamato-v-yuta

And hey, one more – Kubo’s spectacular semi-final victory. Again, Kubo is in black:

http://www.headkicklegend.com/2010/7/7/1556477/daily-fights-yuta-kubo-v

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by Fraser Coffeen on Jul 24, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec’d for putting Lampley on front street.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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