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Sarah Kaufman's Dramatic Knockout Not Enough for Strikeforce Diva

Photo by Esther Lin for Strikeforce

Photo by Esther Lin for Strikeforce

Last night Sarah Kaufman gave female MMA its first "Rampage" moment. In the third round Kaufman countered a Roxanne Modaferri armbar attempt by lifting the smaller fighter overhead and slamming her to the mat-a picture perfect powerbomb. Roxy was out like a light and Kaufman had the dramatic finish she wasn't able to provide in a dull effort to win the title against Takayo Hashi in February.

This moment of glory, however, wasn't enough for Kaufman. In a triumphant victory speech she managed not just to insult Strikeforce,  among the first national promotions in the world to take a chance on women in the cage, but also every other fighter on the card.

"Get me on main cards on Showtime," Kaufman said. "I think I deserve it. Put me on there."

Just last year Kaufman was plucked from obscurity by Strikeforce to fight on national television against Miesha Tate, filling in for Kim Couture at the last minute. It was a big jump from taking fights in Vernon, British Columbia, but Kaufman apparently feels she's moved beyond other developing stars like Shane Del Rosario and Bobby Voelker and all the other fighters she threw under the bus last night and earlier in the week at her blog:

Cookies and Man Parts …seem to be the 2 things that will get me on a main Strikeforce card…that and learning how to shake my assets. I am currently the Strikeforce Women’s Welterweight Champion…yet I fought for the title on a Challengers Card. Now, I am set to defend said title against Roxanne Modafferi in just a few days – again – on a Challengers Card.

I know that it’s going to be a fun and challenging fight…and I always welcome that. Roxanne has been around the sport for a long time and will come game to fight; however, I need to take this fight and make a statement.

That statement will be: I deserve to be on a main Strikeforce Card because I am a talented, exciting FEMALE fighter at 135lbs! I will NOT eat a ridiculous amount of cookies to make 145lbs JUST for the opportunity to be on a main card and growing man parts… well that would just be ridiculous :D

Kaufman, it seems, thinks she's too good for Strikeforce's Challengers cards. Remember the context here: in her last fight, also on a Challengers card, fans at the San Jose Civic Auditorium left in droves during Kaufman's fight, the purported "main event of the evening." Here is what our own Brent Brookhouse had to say about Sarah's big moment:

Women's MMA came out as a big loser last night.  The fight was totally one sided and very uninteresting.  It was clear in the first round that Hashi had nothing to offer Kaufman and the fact that Sarah didn't ever go for the finish just meant that fans were left with no motivation to continue watching.  This was supposed to be a high level fight between the top two females at 135 pounds and rather than feeling like high level MMA it felt like watching a sparring session.

A woman who saw the crowd abandon the building like it was on fire in her last fight, in a sport that has seen a grand total of one woman able to draw a significant audience, was actually complaining about Strikeforce putting her in the co-main event of a nationally televised card.  The ego on display there is staggering.

Numbers talk. And Kaufman's main event at Challengers 6 against Hashi was watched by just 150,000 fans. The next two Challengers shows doubled that number. Kaufman is in the right place-with other prospective stars looking to attract a following. And the Challengers cards are actually an enormous opportunity for Kaufman and other main eventers in these under the radar cards.

If she was stuck as the opening act of a five fight card featuring Fedor Emelianenko, Dan Henderson, or other Strikeforce fighters with mega wattage star power like Nick Diaz, no one would have talked about her for even a moment leading into the show. Instead, she was a major part of a slow news week. It's the perfect role for her, an opportunity to be the focal point of one of the promotion's nationally televised shows.

I'm not sure who is in her head, encouraging her to dismiss the enormous opportunities given to her, to bury the promotion that gave her a chance, to ignore the inconvenient fact that fans haven't yet embraced her-or females fighting. There's a word for celebrities like this, the ones who lose touch with reality and think they're a little bit more important than they really are: it's Diva. Last night was a great night for Sarah Kaufman. But judging by her speech last night, if you're looking to congratulate her she won't be down with the masses-Sarah Kaufman will be in VIP.

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Django Z

Hilarious! I literally had the exact same moment while reading this article.

by PansyMcBear on Jul 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just did the same thing

Execpt it was over dinner. Horrible article once again. Growing trend… and a bad one.

by McCawFF on Jul 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, he is a good writer and is very insightful when he’s not guzzling the Haterade.

by crazybones on Jul 24, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, got a couple paragraphs in and realized all the pretentious hatred and instantly thought Snowden.. I can’t stand this guy, if only I could just filter his articles from showing on the site.

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can.

Don’t read them.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Same here

Couldn’t finish it, and I’m spending less and less time on BE because of articles like these

by Disco1Stu on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s worth more money.

by Phildo on Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Anderson Silva’s last title defense didn’t seem fit for the main card after the fact.

Although, to be fair, I certainly didn’t think that leading up to the show. Hindsight, 20/20, and all that jazz.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition: "What the f*** are 'vegetables'?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is 100% true if you want to create any legitimacy for the sport.

Title fights deing on the undercard of a challengers card is like the Superbowl being held at the end of September. It makes no sense.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. This shit is ridiculous. I think that Snowden is just trying to stir up controversy at this point. The fact that there are over 400 comments on this article would seem to prove me right. I never comment on most of his articles because usually if I disagree with something, I just keep it to myself.

This is just dumb though. In my view, it has less to do with Kaufman and more to do with the fact that Strikeforce can’t run their damn promotion. Of course she has a right to be pissed—she’s the goddamn champion. Bad enough that she’s on a Challenger’s card. They can’t even make her the main event? Why is Cyborg not the co-main event on a Challenger’s card? I’d be pissed too. And Snowden, I enjoyed the hell out of your book and really like your historical articles but you just come off a s a misogynist in this one…

by mthom on Jul 24, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We havent even seen the ratings for last night yet.

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on one fight? Or how about the fact that barely anybody even knows who she is due to lack of promotion.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jake Shields didn’t draw any viewers either. I didn’t see Strikeforce putting him on Challengers cards.

by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

still waiting for either snowden or brookhouse to address the jake shields comparison. kind of tears apart their ratings-driven argument, no?

by dr. ransom on Jul 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

A) Men’s MMA is a bigger draw.

B) Jake was in a division with legitimate and known opponents. Miller and Henderson > Hashi and Roxy.

C) They had a non-title fight headline over Shields’ title fight with Miller. He only headlined when he was fighting a “big name” in Henderson.

D) Being that he was in their “money” division it made sense to keep him as visible as possible. Kaufman was fighting Roxy who lost to Coenen who got crushed by Cyborg. Now she’s going to fight Coenen. Now that she’s fighting someone people have at least seen and has a highlight reel win in her last fight I’m willing to bet we see her on a “main card”

E) they’re running a tournament to try and create some legitimate “excitement” for a Kaufman fight.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

And

boom goes the dynamite.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no one was talking about headlining the main card—just having a spot on it.

both shields and kaufman don’t perform well in the ratings (i expect that’s now changed given kaufman’s dramatic finish). putting shields on the main card because there were other fighters who didn’t hemorrhage ratings in his division certainly seems like odd reasoning.

bottom line, he was on the showcase brand because he was the champ, as well he should have been. give sarah the same courtesy.

by dr. ransom on Jul 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re completely ignoring the context of 1) the M185 division vs. the F135 division and 2) fan recognition of Shields, Henderson, Miller, Kaufman, Roxy, etc.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair they did see fit to get rid of him. But that doesn’t explain any of his past fights.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

She was put in the main event of a card (probably as a test) and chased people from the fucking building. Her opponent isn’t particularly strong nor is she well known. The absolute best I would give her at that point is the main event spot on a challengers card. NOW she has a great highlight that may actually help her out in terms of “deserving” a spot on a main card.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can highlight reels only have one highlight?

OK, that’s not entirely fair. God, I’m cranky this morning.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, that’s not even my point. I was just irritated that Snowden talked about her like she was some stuck-up bitch. I was trying to show why a person would make those statements in that situation, and why it doesn’t make her a diva.

by crazybones on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sure seems stuck-up.

Especially when other fighters are just happy to get a phone call.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition, circa 2009: "Vegetables? What the f*** are vegetables?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Other fighters aren't the BEST IN THE WORLD

What if they put Fedor on a Challengers card because he’s a fat guy who doesn’t speak english and doesn’t know how to promote fights?

by crazybones on Jul 24, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’d be wasting a ton of Fedor’s value.

Are you arguing that Strikeforce lost a bunch of money improperly promoting Kaufman?

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll argue that the ladies 135 division is one of the deepest they have now and they are pissing it away. If WMMA is so horrible for the sport then cut them loose. Some one else will pick them up. I will certainly cancel my subsription. The WMMA events have saved many a SF cards over the years including last nights.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deepest in terms of what? How many people could name five fighters in the division without the aid of Google? Fuck, how many casual fans could name ONE person in the division?

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely not

I’m not talking about money or business or any of that. I’m just saying Snowden’s an asshole for calling Kaufman a diva because the woman is the BEST AT WHAT SHE DOES and she’s rightfully frustrated at not being recognized for it. That’s why I typed out that long-ass post about ‘Imagine if…’

by crazybones on Jul 24, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You might wanna…you might wanna reconsider the “asshole” comment buddy.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they already invent that thing that lets people kill you over the internet?

by crazybones on Jul 24, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

They sure did

it’s called the “Ban Hammer” although the early prototypes only seems to work on message board profiles so far.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correction

blogging site…comment…type profiles that is.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fedor would accept it and fucking fight.

Because he doesn’t think he’s God’s gift to MMA.

And this is DESPITE the fact that he’s one of the best in the world.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition, circa 2009: "Vegetables? What the f*** are vegetables?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corrections

M-1/Fedor would accept it and fight so long as the oppenant was right, the price was right and the check cleared.

He is well enough known already, he fights for $$, not recognition.

Then again, its hard to pay the bills with recognition…

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 24, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

And none of that had any thing to do with Hashi refusing to fight? So the Spyder should be relegated to UFN cards because that guy kept flopping on his back?

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

That might be the worst argument i’ve ever heard.

Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down

by amadeus on Jul 24, 2010 6:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I thought this was Sport

Sport is about being the best. Sometimes the best is a draw, sometimes they are not. Nobody liked watching the New Jersey Devils play hockey for years, but they were a very good team. The NHL didn’t tell them they weren’t welcome in the playoffs.

The sport is still growing and it isn’t looked at as legitimate by many, this makes it look worse.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is business to every sport

whether you want to admit it or not. You can’t compare established sports like hockey to MMA.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comparing MMA to team sports in that context doesn’t work.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

She is one of the best at what she does...

If MMA is truly sport, that should be enough. Team or not, nothing else matters. They don’t ban people from Olympic competition because of potential ratings issues. Sports, all sports are about determining who is the best and the best are put on a bigger stage. This is the norm.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not in individual competition where ratings play a big part. Let’s go back to the “best in sport” argument with team spors. There’s a reason why the “boring but good” teams are rarely chosen for national games. It’s usually teams that are exciting and have a big fanbase.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No...

because the reason networks pick up sports is for ratings.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ratings don’t play a big part in all sports or something now?

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

They do play a part.

How many times a year are the Cowboys and Steelers in primetime games and broadcast as the national game? Seems like almost every fucking week, right? Why is that? BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY FUCKING POPULAR!

All the other games are regional which means they are broadcast where the home team plays; obviously those people will watch because it’s their favorite team. It’s a brilliant system. They do the same thing.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve rarely seen a women’s fight that wasn’t one of the highlights of the card.

by Beau Dure on Jul 24, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In her last fight, she looked like a C-level fighter.

If Sarah had slammed Hashi instead of gently punching her in the cheek for five rounds, I bet she’d have been on a bigger card without the dramatics.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition, circa 2009: "Vegetables? What the f*** are vegetables?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

*between Shane Del Rosario

should read BEHIND SDR

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's a champion, but she's not draw.

Well, I certainly agree that Sarah Kaufman should’ve been headlining that night, but she didn’t prove herself a big enough ratings draw beforehand.

Besides, I feel like Strikefarce at least does a competent job of promoting Women’s MMA, regardless of their insulting way of marketing Mrs. Cyborg as a “beast” before she became their champion. Difference is, it’s exciting to watch fighters like Cyborg and Carano. During the last Kaufman fight, I kept leaving to make snacks in the kitchen.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition: "What the f*** are 'vegetables'?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't know

On had to prove themselves as a draw before they could headline.

Championship fights should headline. Period.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That wasn't the argument, Subo.

It was about her getting a spot on a bigger card. I’m not disagreeing that Kaufman deserved to be headlining Challengers 9.

I’m saying that I understand WHY Strikeforce put her behind Shane Del Rosario.

Doesn’t mean I endorse it.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition, circa 2009: "Vegetables? What the f*** are vegetables?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is same org

That had a fight involving Scott Smith and Cung Le, headline over a title fight involving Gilbert Melendez and Josh Thompson.

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on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995

by Worldisart on Jul 24, 2010 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry.

StrikeFORCE – that was an honest typo.

Brock Lesnar on Nutrition, circa 2009: "Vegetables? What the f*** are vegetables?"

by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Freudian slip?

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That isn’t the only thing being left out. Theere is also the fact that Erin Toughill is getting her tune up fight against some one picked to loose on a main card. Any one that fights at 145 no matter how good or bad makes the main card. Any one at 135 even though it is a far more stacked division no matter how good or bad makes the main card.

This isn’t about male or female. It is about 10lbs determining if you have any value or not.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true everywhere?

How many big non-title lightweight fights have main evented a UFC PPV? When Sean Sherk and Anderson Silva both defended at UFC 73, who was the main event and who fought in the second spot?

I’m not saying it’s impossible for a lighter weight fighter to be the draw over a heavier fighter or that there haven’t been exceptions. But that’s the general rule.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny thing about that is

that the Sherk-Franca fight came on BEFORE the Tito-Rashad fight.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shields got put on CBS 3 times and still bitched about it.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you guys run a website tell me how it goes when the discussion doesn’t come until days after the event. There’s a one day window to discuss this event-it’s now or never.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, but your ability to judge and recognize them clearly does. Go climb a mountain, then talk to me.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I was a rapper in a past life.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for putting your finger on what's been bugging me

I don’t always agree with Kid Nate, but I never feel like he’s patronizing me. Snowden’s basic argumentative tactic seems to be questioning my worthiness to argue.

Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.

by Monte Fisto on Jul 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Th real question is for Luke, Leland et al.

At what point do they think “Hmm, maybe bringing Snowden aboard was not such a good idea.”

by Django Z on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

When he stops attracting so many readers and so much attention.

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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Leland? Not to disparage him, but all decisions go through Nate and Luke. Leland’s a bums staff writer like myself.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I'm not that sharp on BE

Didn’t have the masthead up on the right side next to me when I wrote that.

by Django Z on Jul 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really doubt the readership numbers are reflecting that it was a bad idea. You knwo what makes it a good idea? The fact that people spend above average times on the site looking at his pieces.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So viewers over quality?

What, is BE the Strikeforce of MMA sites now?

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No. What I’m saying is that writers are brought on to this site to present their viewpoints. The fact that Snowden’s tends to generate discussion and keep people on the site is good. And yes, believe it or not we’re not exactly rolling in cash here so having good traffic numbers is important as we try to grow the site.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's nice to know

That you will allow this dude to tarnish your site until you have enough cash to dump him and make it better. At least that is what your plan should be.

by McCawFF on Jul 24, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

goodbye

i’m bored with you.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring.
Chuck Palahniuk

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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough - if he generates pageviews

But he is starting to lower my enthusiasm and reading (and pageviews) of BE as a whole.

Shock jocks can be very popular (when they are good at their craft), but sometimes they come into a market cause a big stir, but ultimately fail in the market. I wonder if Snowden might have that impact overt time.

There is still a lot of great writing on this site, but Snowden is lowering my general impression of it and I don’t think I’m alone.

by Django Z on Jul 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

We’re not dumb, we won’t rise to his bait forever. At some point a weariness sets in with shock journalists. Particularly on the internet.

This is my last post on a Snowden article. And my last time reading any of his posts – so long as I notice his name before I click on it :)

by Django Z on Jul 24, 2010 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The bump in discussion is people expressing displeasure though. It’s only because people already cared about BE that they have a reason to post about the content of his articles which shows up as inflated discussion. You’re cashing in on the long developed goodwill that won’t last forever.

Or at least my goodwill.. can’t speak for everyone but I see a lot of rec’d posts that reflect my own view. I don’t mind an article about the merits of Kaufman or WMMA being on a main card. But this is a fighter bashing article over a perceived slight that doesn’t exist.

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s ridiculous. Almost every topic has people supporting both sides. What an ego to believe everyone is both as disinterested in honest debate and as thin skinned as you appear to be.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s people discussing whether your article should even exist not the content.

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can see my comments may sound like an overreaching categorization of the responses, I don’t mean to say ‘all posts are agreeing with me’ in any way.

I’m just saying I see enough that feel this way that it’s noteworthy, and that those posts are saying ‘why is this here?’ which is something I haven’t seen before. And that I, personally, am not enjoying these articles that seem like ‘ is ’.

Brock Lesnar is a hack. Sarah Kaufman is a diva. That’s what I’m reading.

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops formatting didn’t go through the post filter. It should read- "I am not enjoying these articles that seem like ‘(so-and-so fighter) is a (derogatory term)’

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anything you disagree with is “trolling” or “bad?” What a way to approach life.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 4:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You are a funny one....

Can you please quote me where I posted “Trolling”? Anywhere on this article? Why no you can’t. But you sure do have a great imagination…. and that leads us to….

Bad? 100% If you would like me to rehash what 100’s have said already I’ll gladly do so. In my opinoin they should only let you do the history posts. You, so far have not been good with anything else article wise on this site. It just disgusts me how this site has gone down since you came on board.

Now can you please quote me where I said “trolling?”

by McCawFF on Jul 24, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You dont like the community interviews?

by 19Miles on Jul 24, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

good bye

and good riddance.
I don’t need people who joined in May of this year telling me how the site isn’t what it used to be.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honest Question....

what did he say that was ban-worthy?

by Broke Lesnar on Jul 26, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't recall using either of those words

Either you’re a man with a remarkable amount of unpopular opinions or you intentionally post things that you know people are going to disagree with in order to get a reaction out of them. If you want to call that trolling, I won’t disagree with you.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s cheap heat though.

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Have to ask, Brent ...

Do you think it’s worth having someone “stir the pot” like this for page views?

I’m not saying Jonathan has no place here — I respect the guy. But this is a tad sensationalistic, and it’s out of character for the site you all have built here.

by Beau Dure on Jul 24, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

if he were making up stupid opinions to get page views that's one thing

but Mr Snowden has been a hate magnet with his contrary opinions ever since the first time he posted a comment here.
As long as he’s being honest, it’s all good. The site was built to foster discussion. Here we are discussing.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If anything, this story is underplayed. Can you imagine an NBA player criticizing TNT in a post game interview with Jim Gray? What if the player was from the WNBA and brought the tricky issue of gender into the mix. Would opinion columnists nationwide sit on their hands? Why should we?

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If a player falls during a WNBA telecast, does it make a sound?

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bad examples on both parts

Why is the player calling out TNT and how is that similar to Kaufman? Kaufman didn’t call out Showtime she simply feels she should be featured on a higher profiled show being a champion and all, and no matter how you personally feel about the value of the championship or the division itself it is still a legitimate gripe for her to have. Secondly she made no mention of gender Snowden, and even still if you’re saying “I feel like this particular group I belong to is getting short changed for whatever reason” like thats a bad thing to say if it’s true.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's part of her quote

“I think I deserve it. Put me on there.” Is that really so bad Snowden? That’s honestly no worse then Mirko Cro Cop asking Dana not to be cheap and to give him the submission of the night bonus for a sloppy RNC after his last fight. I don’t know why this bothers you to this end, even the people agreeing with you aren’t as adamant about it as you. It’s honestly starting to make me think, along with the kind of language you’ve used recently, their might be some kind of underlying issue.

And I’m sorry but the “I was relaxing and commenting and now it’s getting thrown in my face” thing doesn’t really work here. You shouldn’t have made sketchy comments and then the next day wrote an article that many find to be tinged with sexism. You sound like a politician that gets surprised when the opposing side bring up something negative from his past to make him look bad.

I’m personally not trying to call you out for sexism, but there does seem to be something odd about this stance of yours to be honest.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell

what is it with me and using the right there, their, they’re?

Anyway hopefully I don’t get the ban hammer swung my way, just trying to have an honest dialogue here.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

because a site like BE just isn’t made to handle heated discussion. “we can’t take much more o’ this capn’ I’ve got the warp drives on 10”

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its what I tune in for

I enjoy the spirited debate that goes on here, even when it occasionally slips somewhat off-topic (i.e. parts the AS PPV issue).

As I’ve said before, I don’t much care to read lame-ass op-ed type pieces that either state the obvious or where I agree with them all every time and there are 45 comments, all with some variant of “I agree.”

If that means that sometimes writers have to play devil’s advocate, so be it.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Author Schopenhauer

Haters are gonna hate and bitches are gonna bitch...

by BigDNotDallas on Jul 24, 2010 7:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

When you guys run a website

LOL

I love getting ‘appeal to authority’ responses.

They let me know my comments hit a little too close to home. The only thing better is getting an ad hominem attack thrown in on top.

by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know, right? It’s like a compliment.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not an appeal to authority. Blackout162 doesn’t think I should discuss Kaufman so soon after her big win. My point is there is exactly one day that anyone will care: today. So there’s no such thing as “too soon.”

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well then

The fact that it’s not a very good point to make at any time doesn’t help matters.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or that its the type of thing I see fighters do pretty regularly..

Allen Belcher recently complained about not being in a poster, not having prime times/countdown shows, and being underpromoted, etc… This is atop 15-20 MW. Sarah is the champ in her division and she asked to be put on a main card. If Greg Nagy can get on a main card, Sarah should get on a main card.

by Broke Lesnar on Jul 26, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness

It’s infinitely harder than it looks. Believe me.

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by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just FYI

Strikeforce doesn’t care about or show undercard fights as a cost-cutting measure. I know this for a fact.

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by Luke Thomas on Jul 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

That wasn’t in question, but many people feel that they should do it.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shitstorm forthcoming……………

Hit me again Tube Sock!

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Another Snowden shitstorm in the making. Believe it or not, I think I’m starting to enjoy these.

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by andrew861 on Jul 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always enjoy the artcles truthfully

Snowden can stir up the shit man. Whether it is intentional or not who knows. I am just glad that his articles are well written, even though they comes off as so polarizing for whatever reason. Strange phenomenon

Hit me again Tube Sock!

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it's intentional

If I get to into it, I’m sure I’ll ruffle some feathers… You’re a bright d00d, you know how this works.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks man, and yeah, I do.

Hit me again Tube Sock!

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I would avoid these stories altogether if not for the fact that I enjoy a little bit of heated discussion and like to throw cold water on some of his talking points. But yeah, it can be a bit much at times. There are a couple of controversial one-liners that have come about in recent weeks.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

I’m just going to make my main points and step back from this one. His point is very, very weak. At least there’s usually something to substantiate his point of view, so the articles are interesting. This is a clear distortion.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really, the regular viewers perception isn’t what bothers me— it’s the impression that is being made on casuals or newcomers to the sport when they Google something like “Brock beats Carwin” and this site, which yields exceptional search results, returns as a top link and someone that doesn’t really know their kimura from their right-cross sees “Carwin and Lesnar are both terrible”, it makes MMA look bad. The constant negativity reminds me of ESPN and I don’t care for ESPN. I don’t mind some critical analysis, but I like it to be tempered with positive stories regarding fighters overcoming adversity and how our sport is making strides. It’s all “this fighter is not as good as advertised/is a jerk” and “just wait for the train to crash— we can’t keep growing like this forever”.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with constructive criticism

Not everyone’s gonna like what they see. At least Lesnar/Carwin WAS at least partially what he said about it. Even the piece yesterday about Anderson…those were solid points, just not fleshed out very well. But stuff like this does nothing at all. There’s no point other than to antagonize. If he feels Sarah doesn’t deserve that spot, it can be stated in less sexist and more defining terms. This is purely to create animosity, and these kinds of pieces will catch up to him when his credibility starts eroding and he burns out his audience.

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

he's entitled to his opinion

and he has a platform to express it because it’s interesting and well written. that’s what opinion writers do, OPINE. deal with it.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is it really interesting though cause it seems like the majority of the responses for these types of articles are for the most part people coming as close to calling him an idiot as they can without getting banned for it.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deal with it?

Come on Nate. Don’t send me to my room because I said I didn’t like someone’s opinion. If I can’t express my displeasure with an article, that’s as bad as your inference that I want him to stop writing how he chooses (which I obviously don’t, and I have no idea where you derived such a point).

He can write articles I don’t like, I’ll just keep commenting as much.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's a win/win

I don’t mind the disagreeing with the opinions. I just tire of the arm chair blog editing.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nate--

I’m a former writer and the owner of a creative services company, in which I do web development, copy-writing, marketing, social media, branding and SEO (among other things) for small businesses and multiple prominent corporate accounts. Maybe you guys shouldn’t jump to so many conclusions about whether people have any license to criticize such things, because I don’t come out and tout how many sites I have developed & webmaster on a week to week basis. I haven’t said Snowden’s writing is poor, I’ve said that I don’t personally like his material, and I draw a certain perception from it. Don’t get frustrated over this stuff, it’s not worth it. I know you guys expect some gratitude for providing this forum in which to express opinions on our sport, but people are going to disagree, and disagree often, and I feel that I’m intelligently presenting my view on matters. If you disagree with me, I welcome you to it. I’ll defend your right to it.

Besides, I don’t have to have any professional opinion on the matter to disagree with how the Carwin/Lesnar article was handled, especially given the overwhelmingly negative reception to it. I get it that Snowden is bad cop and it’s paying dividends, but it’s paying dividends because people are passionate in disagreement. If I really didn’t like what was going on, I’d stop coming here, but Snowden does what he does in addition to Fagan, Leland, Luke, Nick, yourself and Brent, so I’m not losing my shit over it and accusing you guys of jumping the shark..

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Snowden adds a nice mix of contributions

with the community interviews and mma history pieces. and his opinion pieces take the hate off me a little bit.
i didn’t mean any disrespect to you, Arianna Huffington and Glenn Reynolds could come over here and make suggestions and I’d bristle.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

None taken

Just saying— I know I can come off as abrasive at times, but I really just love a good argument. I mean, I don’t have any genuine dislike for Snowden and, in some bizarro way, I kinda appreciate what he brings to the table for generating this volume of discussion. Additionally, I think that, given the aforementioned volume, that BE’s intelligent-commentary vs trollish-bullshit ratio is pretty remarkable. Despite the messy bits in between, it’s something to be proud of, really.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I stayed the fuck away from his last article. I’m a blue eyed Israeli and I want no part of that debate.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sort of happy I don’t know what you’re talking about. I’m a brown eyed Lebanese.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

My girl is Lebanese just need her to start cooking like her Mother and we could really have something.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m a big time foodie, but I don’t even bother with Lebanese food. I couldn’t make it anywhere near as good as my mom and my aunts. I don’t even try, but someday I’ll have to.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just choose your wife accordingly ha

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think I can date Lebanese girls, actually. And not because of their cooking, but that’s for another time. Haha

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

regardless good luck man.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t need luck when you’ve got shoes like these!

Seriously, good luck to you. And don’t tell your girlfriend I said anything disparaging about Lebanese girls. It’s a very small country and I don’t want them to give me the stink eye when I visit next. Haha

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t need luck when you got Puji Money.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fuck

I should have thought of that.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

nostalgia
I don’t even bother with Lebanese food. I couldn’t make it anywhere near as good as my mom and my aunts. I don’t even try…

it’s never as good. breakfast is the meal i miss the most.

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

what a touching story
I’m a blue eyed Israeli…my girl is Lebanese.

actually not sarcasm

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

We are both American so it’s not as touching as it might seem lol but thanks man

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the fact that regardless of his level of sincerity, you just know it’s gonna bring the community together by taking part in the ensuing chaos.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herschel Walker, Bobby Lashley and Kimbo Slice bring more eyeballs than someone who going into last night would be remembered by most people as “that girl who had that really boring fight last time”

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

But— we’re going forward. She did something spectacular last night and this article would have made a lot more sense before that occurred, based on her blog (which doesn’t seem that bad to me, anyway). It’s like writing about how fucking boring people perceive Okami to be after he boxed Linhares face off.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's fair...

I think right now you can put her on a main card. I don’t think you could after the hashi fight. She was moved to the main event of a challengers show and the fight was awful. So why would they move her to a better spot? (yes, yes, I get it..the title)

Now she has a big win and going forward I think you can run that highlight and put her on a main show.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So do you have a problem with her actively promoting herself and saying she should be on the main card? Or do you agree with Snowden that she’s a diva?

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hang on. I’m going to write up a thing and put it at the bottom of the comments.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly here, does Bobby Lashley even have half the heat that people constantly try to make him out to have? He was only a semi-popular wrestler at most, who’s stormed through a series of unmentionable cans.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t really believe that Lashley is any kind of a measurable draw in MMA. Sure, he has his inherently curious wrestling marks watching to see if he can really throw a punch, and that gives him an audience+ over any other fighter from the outset, but I don’t think MMA fans are interested in him, and I think he’s squandering his window to make an impact with those carry-over fans that are starting to shrug at news of his fights. He needs a big fight, he just doesn’t know it yet.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think he is a huge draw...

but compared to Kaufman he’s a huge draw. Compared to most guys who get his spot he is not.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why they didn’t even bother to put his name of the poster for the next card he is on.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seem to have completely ignored my point

Which is that pursuing those eyeballs for a short term boost is a TERRIBLE strategy for Strikeforce and is just driving them further into irrelevance.

Strikeforce can’t compete with the UFC. On any level. At all. They should abandon the freakshows and actually attempt to build a solid promotion from the ground up with young, rising talent.

by Jeremiah Johnson. on Jul 24, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Belittling her by calling her a ‘diva’ is not unlike boxing writers in the 60s accusing Muhammad Ali of being an uppity negro. Like Ali, Kaufmann should know her place and keep her mouth shut.

by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is incredibly ignorant.

Yes, telling a non-draw that she should be happy to be in a co main event slot after crashing ratings and driving 90% of the live audience from the building in her last fight is EXACTLY the same as boxing writers who had a problem with Ali’s race.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh, you know he wasn't being sexist.

Stop looking for insults where they don’t exist.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

he wasn't?

what male fighters has he called a diva? (legitimate question)

by Broke Lesnar on Jul 26, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Diva” is not a sexist remark. For example: you’re being a total divo right now, letting your hatred of Jon Snowden fill in for a rational argument. Comparing a very accurate description of Kaufman to racial remarks about Ali is way out of line IMO

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

You changed it to ‘divo’ because ‘divA’ is specifically meant for difficult women. It was and is a sexist term.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s specifically meant for women because it originates from an Italian word for a female singer.

Jon went a little overboard calling her a “diva”, but it most certainly isn’t a sexist comment. For fuck’s sake, the word also means “prima donna”.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s specifically meant for women

End of conversation.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

So is the word "woman"

and that’s not a sexist word either.

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is ridiculous.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking "Diva"

is a sexist term is ridiculous. Is it generally derogatory? Sure. But it’s not sexist.

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Blame Vince McMahon

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, it’s acceptable for him to use the term “prima donna”, but not the other word that means the exact same thing because it’s typically reserved for a woman?

I’m defending it because I think people are way too uptight about language.

As I’ve said time and again, I don’t think it was an appropriate word for the situation.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s typically reserved as a demeaning term for women. And while I agree people are too uptight about language, it’s in the TITLE of the piece. And the piece is littered with condescension.

But like you said, you didn’t think it was appropriate. So it’s all good.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are masculine and feminine versions of the same word, genius.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

And both are derogatory.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, they’re descriptive.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

seriously do people get up and yell at the TV when that snickers ad comes on where they call their friend a diva?

by nastyem on Jul 24, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, because some women wear the term proudly (Aretha Franklin, for one) – it’s kind of the old school equivalent of saying “yes, I’m a bitch, and I’m proud of it.” That doesn’t make either term any more or less insulting by definition.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are seriously overeacting to the term diva. It’s not nearly as derogatory as you make it out to be, I mean to put it on the same level as bitch? Everybody gets called a diva, male or female. I think it’s insulting to call Kaufman that because she was in no way really displaying that kind of behaviour, but I don’t think it’s insulting to her as far as her being a woman.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Call a co-worker a diva

and see where that gets you. A harassement lawsuit is probable. A journalist should know better than anyone the effects of a single word, and I guarantee that Snowden knew exactly the types of responses he would receive by using that specific word. He’s stirring the pot in an increasingly predictable way. His opinion pieces take on the devil’s advocate roll and incite debate. But yes, the tone of the word and the context in which is was used is fairly sexist.

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by Rudinho479 on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

 Brent, are you saying that Kaufmann should have been happy to get the co-main of a Challengers card? For crying out loud, she came on second to Lolohea Mahe. And to be honest, her fight was the best on that card. Everything else, particularly the first three fights of the card, were just God awful. If she you think she should be happy to co-main above a snoozefest like Cory Devela vs Bobby Voelker or the M-1 Grappling abilities of Mike Kyle and Abongo Humphrey, I really don’t know what to say. Sarah Kaufman and Roxanne Modafferi are two elite level fighters fighting for the #1 spot in their weight divison in a 25 minute fight. At the end of the day, this is still a sport, and the very best deserve a brighter spotlight over some random fighter who is believed to put on a more entertaining scrap. Telling the best fighter in the world in her weight class that she should be happy wherever she ends up on a card is not only uncalled for, it’s a bit sexist. I somehow doubt you would say the same thing of the #1 male fighter in any weight class.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 24, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is all results oriented thinking though. Were you (or any media member you trust and follow) raising a stink before the event?

If Kaufman and Roxy went out and had a stinkbomb of a fight, no one would be saying anything about this.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Bishop of Lights Out Radio, who also writes for your sister site MMA For Real, wrote this piece before the event that totally blasted Showtime for putting Kaufman in the co-main event.

http://www.mmaforreal.com/2010/7/22/1581549/strikeforce-showtime-have

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 24, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s literally the first thing I’ve seen on it.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t see how he can responsibly address the issue without discussing the fact that fans by the thousands literally left the building during her last main event. It’s kind of central to Strikeforce’s decision making here.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a sport, is it not Jonathan? Her last fight was no worse than Anderson Silva’s last performance, yet no one blinks when he is given another PPV main event. Expecting the champion and the consensus #1 fighter in that division to be the main event of a Challengers show over Lolohea Mahe is not asking much, especially when she ended up turning in the best performance of the entire card.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think it's pretty easy to justify Snowden's point of view

By using one of two rationales:
1) He believes that Strikeforce is running based purely on it’s entertainment value, and how many people are watching. They’re focused not on compelling matchups, or honest marketing, but just trying to get peeps to tune in. In short, it’s an entertainment product, and not a sport.

2) He’s trolling for a few extra page views.

I get the point of the article, and in some instances I would absolutely support it, but this article and Bishop’s are two extremes of the spectrum. One guy is taking a company to task for disrespecting their champion(s), and the other thinks that the titleholder who asks to be on real TV needs to be knocked down a peg to what I guess means on to un-aired prelims along with the amateurs, considering where she is today… along with the other fighters asking for a step up. So I guess they get bumped down too. Or something.

Oh, and when anyone tries to figure out whether it’s A or B, let’s try to keep in mind that “A” is the WWE business model. Just saying.

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by -Neil- on Jul 25, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Like I said long ago MMA is NOT in the sport business

It’s in the entertainment sports business.

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That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 25, 2010 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s still a sport. The last time the UFC had a title fight run as a co-main to a non-title main event was UFC 51 – which also happened to be the very last “pre TUF” PPV card. Since then, the UFC has put the title fights as main events no matter what, even when they sucked. For God’s sake, Tim Sylvia vs Andre Arlovski 3 was the main event over the Tito Ortiz vs Ken Shamrock rematch that had been hyped to death on TUF 3. Everyone knew that Tito vs Ken was the “real” main event, but Tim vs Andre was put in the main slot because it was the more meaningful fight. Because this is still a sport when all is said and done, and for it to thrive as a business it has to be taken seriously as a sport. Having your champ play second fiddle to a worn out Ken Shamrock just doesn’t look right.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also don't have a division filled with nobodies...

and I don’t mean that as disrespect. I mean that as in they have people in every division they can market and established champions. That’s not the same case.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re just looking at it as a sport, what does it matter on what cards and where on those cards Sarah Kaufman fights?

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 25, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because the best fighter in the world at a particular weight class (and that promotions champion) deserves more recognition that just two random Top 50 heavyweights. If you’re the best, you deserve more recognition than just “some guy”. I don’t watch stick and ball sports whatsoever, but I’m positive that the elite teams and players get more recognition than the also-ran bums. As it should be.

I’m sure you all would be absolutley horrified if a Chris Lytle vs Nate Diaz fight headlined a card over an Anderson Silva vs Rousimar Palhares title fight, for example. The Lytle vs Diaz fight would certainly be more entertaining, but Silva and Palhares would be the more meaningful and righteous fight at the end of the day.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually the best fighter in the world in that weight class in Cruz. Right? Isn’t that a big part of the problem?

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 25, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

After the crowd’s response to her last fight isn’t she lucky to have had any platform she could get?

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That crowd that went crazy when she slammed Roxy into unconsciousness?

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

You mean the AMAZING reception she got after her highlight reel finish, that reception?

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Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's talking about the fight prior to this...

She was put on a challengers show in the co-main spot after CLEARING OUT A BUILDING when she was put in the main event spot.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

didnt jake shields do a similar thing to the CBS ratings though against mayham?

she might not be a draw but the fact is she deserves to be on the main card cause its a title fight

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by milk72 on Jul 24, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't chase anyone out of the building...

it was a bad fight, but it had a main event that kept people in the building. and I covered that above.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that's a good reply...

Sure, after her last fight one could say that she’s lucky to have any platform she could get. But she made her remarks after last night’s fight, not the one before that. Consequently, her remarks don’t come off as diva-ish.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was on Hashi and people know that. One boring fight does not make someone an automatic non-draw.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

12 -0
9 by KO.
Are we talking Fitch boring here or what?

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That was one fight dude damn, are we gonna hold that shit over her head for the rest of her career after last night? It’s like the people that keep harping on Sheilds for his last two fights, Sheilds who btw did the same thing against Miller as Milk pointed out and still went on to main event his next fight and drive viewers away again. Now that same guy is most likely gonna co-main even a UFC card.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not dismissing her...

I’m just saying, it’s not like she was being mistreated by being put in that spot last night. Going forward you can promote her differently because she now has something you can talk about and showcase.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to be a flip flopper

but I’m actually starting to come around to the idea that Strikeforce made the right decision business wise. I still think she shoud’ve at least main-evented, but I think besides that Strikeforce did make the right move in terms of putting her on a Challengers Card again based on her last performance. Now if they did this to her again after this fight then it would be more of a problem. It does still devalue the championship though regardless.

If everything in life was fair then as a title holder she would absolutely get the chance to fight only on main cards until she losses her belt, but since they do still have to worry about ratings (and they are Strikeforce after all) it was a decent enough call for them to make.

I just had a problem with a lot of the points Snowden made and the way he made them, and you did start off the night with “I hate women’s MMA” mister.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

So she is supposed to pay for Strikeforce's promotional failures and

be okay with being treated like every other champion.

I understand it makes business sense to put here there, but that isn’t the point. This is about legitimacy as a sport and if Strikeforce isn’t equipped to do that, they are the problem.

I am a Strikeforce fan and I watch every show, but I don’t understand getting upset with Kaufman for wanting to be treated like everyone else. Strikeforce chose to get into women’s MMA it is there responsibility to put both feet in. Standing there with one foot in and one foot out is unbecoming.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, she is paying in this instance for her snoozer of a last fight. That last fight she was in had nothing to do with how much she was promoted, the people that were watching tuned out. I’m saying I can see Brent’s point and understand where Strikeforce is coming from business wise, I’m not saying I necessarily agree with it. I’m also still very much in disagreement with Snowden and his flakey points he’s trying to make.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That doesn’t explain her last title fight being on a Challengers card.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was to find out who would get the newly created title and nobody knew dick about either woman fighting, except for the fact of course that they don’t have dicks.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is this so difficult to grasp?

Its all about the ratings?

Say GSP vacates WW and moves to MW and Fitch and Paulo are fighting for the vacant WW title.

On the same card Carwin fights JDS, Machida fights Rampage and BJ fights Maynard – all non-title fights.

Does anybody seriously think Fitch-P. Thiago headlines that card? Hell no.

This is an extreme example I admit, but the simple fact its a title fight does not change the fact its a non-draw and should be treated accordingly, especially a newly created title, and in Strikeforce no less (HWs anyone).

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 24, 2010 8:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Read the comments before the fight last night. They just hate WMMA on principle. OK fine. I have very little use for the UFC any more but I have never written a fan post blasting it and I very seldom comment on the stories about it. I like what I like and I let others like what they like.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is they?

kimo sabe?

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

All fighters are lucky for the opportunity to fight. But, If we’re talking about crowd pleasing performances, GSP and A. Silva will be lucky to have any platform they can get after their last performances.

by Emma May on Jul 24, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silva

This is what I was going to say. Silva better thank his lucky stars he’s not co-main eventing fight night.

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by dedstrk316 on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well…Silva and GSP also have the UFC promotional machine and a long win streaks against the best in the world (who people know).

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we’re being fair, Anderson Silva was “demoted” to the co-main after the Thales Leites fight.

Regardless, this is a really unfair accusation/insinuation.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not sexism to say..

that the womens 135 pound division does not have any star power in it and as such does not deserve (from a business/ratings standpoint) the same level of attention as the mens 185.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

What? That the hell?

Why was GSP’s performance worthy of demotion? He had Hardy in tight armbars.

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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 25, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet Bellator would sign her in a heart beat and for more money than she is making at SF.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The comments are the fight was happening were even worse.

He picked the “ugly chick with the corn rows” to win

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly

He made a few sexist and pointless comments last night.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

It was “ugly broad”

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit, really?

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by woomikee on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

So...

Snowden made those comments? Well, I guess this is just another biased piece. Biased against woman’s MMA and possibly a womanizer.

by Crazynutts on Jul 24, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention she got to fight near her home town so all of her fam and friends could be there. I like her, but she could have shown more gratitude.

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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Gratitude?

Because they booked the event 150km from her house? They book every 3rd or 4th Challenger show in the Pacific Northwest.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know the Northwest is some great mystery to ESPN

But I thought regular folks knew that it’s kinda, you know, big. And there’s a national border involved.

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by woomikee on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

finally

what we should have been talking about the whole time. what should have been in the original article.
freak a leak

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

and props to sarah for taking a step back when her opponent was clearly KO’d.

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well said good sir.

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by The Blackula on Jul 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The last time Anderson fought the consensus #2 was Dan Henderson. And he did get the finish. ;)

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, true.

I’m not saying there’s an exact parallel – I actually understand both sides of the argument well. I lean towards treating her like a champion since she is one, but I don’t feel like it’s as simple as that.

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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

A lot of people think that should be what happened.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded.

As petulant as it might seem, I’m on board with that.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll sign on to that one as well...

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 25, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really sad how far weekend update has fallen.

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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Remember when SNL was good?

If I didn’t still have VHS tapes, I probably wouldn’t.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The world needs more Nat X.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heh, I'd go for that.

At this point, I think NBC should just run reruns of past SNL seasons.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Even sadder? The fall of Dennis Miller.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Self induced

Monday Night Football

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

9/11 fucked Dennis Miller up.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Being pro Bush for eight years won’t help

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what I’m saying, that’s what made him pro-Bush. We was all about the invasion of Iraq before it happened – if you have a better rubric for deciding that someone is a moron, let me know.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not always accurate, Howard Stern was a huge supporter of the war on terror and has since changed his view.

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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hitchens?

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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody’s perfect.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps there’s quite a bit of intelligence you don’t know that went into the invasion. Not to get into that sort of debate here, but before you write people off as morons for thinking it was a good idea, you should first understand that you don’t get all there is to know about a situation from Jon Stewart. There’s a reason we don’t hear about everything. While the public reason may not seem important enough to you, believe me when I tell you that the invasion was a damn good idea if we were going to have troops anywhere in that area, which is essential. In a war where there isn’t necessarily a consensus, there has to be a scapegoat, and thankfully Bush took that and any shot anyone wanted to give him.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 24, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yep...

This led to us being able to staff our uber-base in Saudi Arabia, which basically gave us defacto control of the peninsula.

Besides, Saddam was given fair warning – ultimately that was on him.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 25, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yea sure, WMDs, we get it
Perhaps there’s quite a bit of intelligence you don’t know that went into the invasion.

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, just because it’s being reported doesn’t mean it’s all true. It’s fine if you don’t believe it or don’t know it all or any of it. But to call people morons on that basis alone, when they don’t even have the opportunity to obtain all the facts, is pretty sad. Again, I’m not trying to change minds about it and this certainly isn’t the forum, but I hate seeing people generalize others as stupid for that reason alone. War may not be fun and most should disagree with it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not the right answer sometimes.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely disagree, this is just like when fighters ask for title shots. It’s not disrespectful to anyone else on that Challenger’s card, what did you want her to say, “hey guys, it’s time you get me and SDR on the main card”?

by Niles on Jul 24, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Ranked #1 in her division, Undefeated Champion making her 1st title defense

Does not belong playing second fiddle for your separate up and comers promotions

Strikeforce does more damage to their own brand by hiding one of their best fighters on these shows.

Why don’t they give her the Cyborg treatment and feed Kaufman .500 fighters from a weightclass under with only a months notice so she can pad her record with opponents who had no business fighting her in the first place.

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by The Blackula on Jul 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT reply actions  

BAH

Picture fail. I suck at life.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.instrength.com

by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quadros

“Pull my finger Sarah!”

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by dedstrk316 on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Hey Sarah, pull my figner…with your VAGINA!”

Now that I look at it though it really does come off like they’re both sticking their thingies in her face.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell is a figner, I don't know.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

"You're"??

I’m shocked, Beer. Shocked and appalled.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

It’s the morning hangover-killer beers, methinks. And the fact that I don’t use the preview button enough.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Especially when it has legit #1 & #2 consensus ranked fighters in it. How often does SF has that legit of a title fight?

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont know why shes complaining…i mean challenges or regular strikeforce, they are both televised on showtime so i dont see a big difference.

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by baldspot23 on Jul 24, 2010 2:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Number of viewers & promotional push.

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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

the difference is the amount of promotion that goes into the cards

no other champion is relegated to the challenger series, why should she be any different?

by StillUnknown on Jul 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

well she can headline or co-main a challenger….right now she would be the first fight or the undercard on a regular show….so for me its about the same

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by baldspot23 on Jul 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because a main Strikeforce show is going to get much more promotion put behind it, and thus more viewers. With these Challengers Cards sometimes you gotta hope people just happen to come across it while channel surfing with how little they get pushed.

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Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

She would also get more sponsorship money, which is a plus. Like many other posters have said, she’s the champ, and like all of the other champs, she should be on the main cards.

by !ME! on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had no problem with anything she said.

Snowden is stirring the pot again.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 2:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I am hoping that Snowden is stirring the sh_t in order to get SF to pay attention to the back lash.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Say it ain’t so, Snowden. You were my hero, but now you’re just a big poopmouth. You poopmouth, with poop out of your mouth.

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by Dr. Octagon on Jul 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

you have also never seen Anchorman either

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the fun starts at 1:40

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by The Blackula on Jul 24, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly...

I have seen Anchorman probably twenty times. You know, when in Rome.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow buddy you are so banned for that, but it was worth it to see someone finally call him out for his blatent poopmouth.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't have a problem with what she said

nor do I think Snowden is wrong in his real point. She hasn’t earned her way to a bigger card. The Challengers cards shouldn’t be looked at like some sort of shit card, they are your chance to shine on national TV and earn your way to the cards with the bigger draws.

All she has to do to get there is draw better.

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I think she earned her way there by winning the dagnab title. Who the fuck knew who any of those women are that get thrown into a title match with Cyborg or even Carano before her. Even Cyborg was pretty much unkown and she got on the main card, but after that she got a little exposure and suddenly everybody knew. Sarah already has the title, what more do you expect of her especially after what she did Friday night?

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

That title is meaningless

She is the best woman in a division nobody cares about. It sucks, but without Carano nobody would give a shit about the other title either. Hell, they mostly don’t anyway now that she is done fighting. Strikeforce has it’s handful with that headache, they don’t need another womans title fucking up their already iffy ratings.

When she starts being a good enough draw she’ll make it there, IF that ever happens. Look at the other people that make those cards. Are they better martial artists? Maybe not, but people are sure as hell more likely to turn in to watch them than her.

And really, Co-Maining a card on Strikeforce should be an honor to any fighter. It’s irritating to watch people shit on that. They gave her another chance to draw and she gave an amazing effort to that effect last night.

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Co-maining on a Challenger’s show doesn’t really mean jack shit to be honest, although it is more than nothing, and neither does main eventing even. All it means is that your slightly more known then the other unknowns. And honestly, outside of Gina what women even really does draw?

If Strikeforce didn’t want a cluster fuck then they shouldn’t have created a second women’s title.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

And honestly, outside of Gina what women even really does draw?

Which is why she is in Challengers shows

If Strikeforce didn’t want a cluster fuck then they shouldn’t have created a second women’s title.

They would LIKE them to draw and help the sport of WMMA. You guys have painted them into a position they can’t win. If they try to grow it smartly, slowly, you give them shit for not killing themselves by putting ratings death on their bigger cards. If they put them where they all think they deserve to be, they actually get the ratings death and WMMA dies on the vine.

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very well said

It seems rather obvious, but somehow everyone keeps missing the real point…

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 25, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree with the point, most WMMA fights are mismatched and not really ready for primetime. I just don’t know why the article buries it under this egotistical diva stuff. She may be wrong when she asks to be on a bigger card but that doesn’t mean she has a ‘staggering ego’ for saying it.

by noquarter on Jul 25, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

^ This

Well put, this is pretty much how I feel too. It’s an utterly uninteresting division with a non-draw champion wearing a belt noone cares about, why should it be taking up spots and killing ratings on bigger cards? I certainly see where Snowden is coming from, at the same time I don’t fault Kaufman for saying what she did. But it didn’t sit too well with me either, taking it all into consideration she should be thankful where she’s at now.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

didn’t strikeforce execute champion’s clause on her without even informing her?

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by Venom77 on Jul 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Nah

She renegotiated her contract last month.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

after they used the champions clause without telling her.

by Phildo on Jul 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll bite...

I think Snowden is right in his point in this sense: she has no real grounds for deserving to appear on a main card. Consequently, her actions will appear diva-ish to the powers-that-be at SF. That said, from her perspective, she has grounds: she’s undefeated, she’s a champ, etc. The real question is this: how savvy is she about how the business works? Can she see things from SF’s perspective or not? And if she can’t, is this a culpable failing on her part?

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

How can you say she has no grounds and agree with Snowden, and then look from her perspective of the reasons that she should be included which involved two completely legitimate facts that are more than enough themselves?

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Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, for what it's worth...

I was talking about prima facie versus ultima facie grounds. Something can appear to be a good reason for something but then you find out it’s outweighed or defeated by other factors. The point I was making is that, while it is often the case that being champ of something and being undefeated can give you prima facie grounds for appearing on a main card, when you’re the champ of an extremely weak division and have beaten mostly unimpressive foes, your championship status and your undefeated status turn out not to have much reason-giving force.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I take it back

The slam gives her real grounds.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention..

that female MMA hasn’t yet caught on with the casual fan

Shit, we all know Sarah is a great fighter, but Strikeforce out of the big two, is the only major promotion that’s showcasing female fighters.

If Sarah is not bringing the heat during any of her matches, then why the hell should Scott show any of her matches on CBS or Showtime?

Champion or not, if some of us here on BE can shit on Anderson Silva for having sloppy title defenses, why should Sarah get a pass for doing the same thing?

That’s a hell of a double standard people.

And furthermore, I agree with Jonathan, don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Strikeforce doesn’t “need” to show women MMA to be successful.

Pay your dues Sarah. Put on exciting matches. Keep people in their seats. Then and only then you can demand your terms.

by devious1 on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

What the shit man, “pay your dues” she’s the freaking champion on the division what more do you want? And btw Anderson while being criticized has at this point made it a regular occurence to dissapoint fans and is still main-eventing PPVs, Sarah had one fight and people are still holding it over her head despite having one of the greatest knockouts in women’s MMA after last night.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ben Henderson is the WEC

Light heavyweight champion of the world. Do you think a lot of casual MMA fans knows who he is? No.

Do you think a lot of casual fans give a shit about women MMA fighters to begin with? Hell no.

If Sarah doesn’t consistently bring her A game to each and every fight that’s presented to her then you might as well put her belt around the waist of Kim Kardashian. Her belt won’t mean shit to the casual fan, or CBS for that matter when its time to promote another Strikeforce card.

Now in saying that, if Strikeforce can promote her based on clips of last nights fight…. More specifically the power bomb that she executed on her opponent, then she will get the casual fans in droves. Increasing her own profile, and that of Female MMA fighters as a whole.

by devious1 on Jul 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Lightweight

Not LHW.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Thank for for the correction

by devious1 on Jul 24, 2010 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes. Thank you for the correction

by devious1 on Jul 24, 2010 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

She slammed a girl into unconciousness last night

I think she doing something that’s exciting. She’s “bringing the heat”. She defended her title against a very tough challenger (who’s also getting ZERO credit her – Roxy’s really good). She’s paid her dues. AND she’s talking herself up to try and drum up interest in herself and her division. I see nothing wrong with any of it.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

which she may not have been doing up until last night

Beer Monster I’m not saying Sarah by any means is a shitty fighter.

But proving to casual fans that fighters like herself, and Cyborg are just as good if not better then their male counterparts, is I think a harder sell to Joe. Couch Potato just tuning into CBS for the first time that wants to sere what MMA is all about.
Is it fair to put that type of pressure on female fighters? No of course not. But that’s why I think that fighters like her, Cyborg, Gina whoever have to bring that “fire” that “hunger” to every fight.
Not for the die hard fans like you and me
But for the casual fans just tuning into the sport for the first time.

by devious1 on Jul 24, 2010 5:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I absolutely agree that it might be harder to sell. That’s why a new division needs exposure. Letting her fight on a main card gives her that. They should have never created the division in the first place if they’re not going to market it properly. But they did, and now that have to stick with it, not treat it like a second-class division. It’s not necessarily about women – it’s about respect.

To be clear, I’m NOT saying that Sarah should be main eventing a main card, or should even be on CBS at this point. It’s too early for that. But winning that belt should have earned her the right to at least be given the opportunity that every other champion received – exposure on a main card. Her division is being singled out. I don’t agree with it.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They definitely made a mistake by pushing a title into the weight class too soon, but that doesn’t mean they should compound that mistake by putting Kaufman on main cards or inserting her in main events.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree. Giving her a main card sport won’t be overly detrimental to a card, especially with an opponent like Coenen that will bring it too and has been on TV before. You can’t draw without exposure. Main cards are seen by many more people than Challengers cards. Giving her a shot doesn’t seem like a bad idea. As I said above, it’s not a main event fight. Cyborg didn’t main event either against Coenen or Finney. But she deserves the opportunity to be on an equal playing ground with Cyborg. If she fails, she fails. But the opportunity has been earned by winning and defending the title.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

spot

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we’re going to fundamentally disagree because we have opposite opinions on the value of the 135 pound women’s title. The 145 pound title was created after a very long fleshing out process. Cris and Gina and three and four televised bouts leading up to their title bout.

Maybe it’s “unfair” that they had that level of exposure, but that’s the fight business. Good looking dudes, smooth talkers, etc. get ahead of higher quality fighters without those characteristics on the men’s side too.

If you agree that it’s a mistake for Strikeforce to have created the title when they did, I’m not sure how you can argue that they should be forced to push the division in situations which may be detrimental – or, at the very least, not profitable – for them.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

6 of the 7 were in a different organization and weren’t really fleshed out by Strikeforce…they just picked up the baton and ran with it, but I see your point there. And you’re right, we’re differing on what the title’s worth.

I just don’t see it as unprofitable. Pushing a non-drawing fight off the main card once to give an entire division the exposure it needs seems like a short term minor hit with potential long term gain. It’s a a deeper division than 145 women’s and I think it will eventually be more popular than 145. Sure, it takes some groundwork…but that’s the entire point of building a division. It can’t be done in the dark (or dim light at least – dim = Challengers).

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lame

I loved her smack talk this week, I think it helped her position and got peoples attention. Her willingness to be confident, strong willed, defiant and in StrikeForce’s face in my opinion earned her some serious respect from other fighters and MMA fans in general.

She stepped it up and followed through with a dramatic finish, she’s earned mad props from me, that’s for sure.

by dualdiagnosis on Jul 24, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Champion's on major cards

I’m sorry but the name says it all… Challengers. If they should do anything they should be using the Main Event of the Challengers card to promote some of their next in line. Kind of like Rossario.

She may not deserver to be the headliner of one of these Main Cards, but seriously a Championship belt as your co main event… once again Strikeforce is making their belts look meaningless.

Sarah was also right that the women’s 135 is way deeper then 145. I would much rather see a competitive fight then a one sided beat down (ala Cyborg)

by RockhardMMA on Jul 24, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions  

All I will say is ...

Men do this all the time. After a big victory, they ask for a title fight, ko of the night, etc. So I can’t hate on a champ wanting some respect. Better than all the guys who say, “Where’s my belt!?”

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by thetakeover on Jul 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Snowden goes at it again..

“Ranked #1 in her division, Undefeated Champion making her 1st title defense
Does not belong playing second fiddle for your separate up and comers promotions
Strikeforce does more damage to their own brand by hiding one of their best fighters on these shows.”
Blackula really said it best.. what more can I say?

Just because you’re “I say whatever the heck I want” type of guy and you have a position on a bloodyelbow ‘blog’ can you inject so much personal ‘feelings’ into a post..?
how is your post ANY different from the little comments us readers post.?

You can’t seem to find any valid point from an objective view.

Are you an MMA journalist or do you do this for a hobby/side gig?(no, I really would like to know, not meant to sound offensive)

If it’s not the latter, wow..

by griffith9 on Jul 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Snowden's comments

The character of his comments are probably a large part of the reason why his posts get so many eyeballs. They may seem unbecoming at times, but if they weren’t the way they were, I think people would care a lot less.

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

In a triumphant victory speech she managed not just to insult Strikeforce, among the first national promotions in the world to take a chance on women in the cage, but also every other fighter on the card.

“Get me on main cards on Showtime,” Kaufman said. “I think I deserve it. Put me on there.”

THAT’S an insult??? I’m pretty sure Snowden has heard much, much worse on these forums alone.

I want Kim Winslow or Tan Dan to ref Tito Ortiz' next loss.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jul 24, 2010 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Snowden takes insults about as well as Anderson Silva and Jon Jones at a roast.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I didn't see it...

What she said in the interview

“Hopefully this is my last challengers card.”

That was out of line…

Strip her of her title!!

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only way this is okay is if MMA is only about ratings

If MMA is at all about sport and competition putting her on the undercard of a challenger series card is beyond silly and spits in the face of making Strikeforce a legitimate sports entity. Clearly they seem to be okay with that, but they can’t live on as a illegitimate sport / spectacle driven organization forever.

Snowden, sometimes you are a major Negative Nancy.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions  

For a promotion trying to struggle to stay relevant as well as actually continue to have a TV deal, it is very much about ratings.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Putting rating above sport flies is the face of everything that sport has ever been about.

If Strikeforce can’t promote MMA properly as a sport, then they are bad for the credibility of the sport. Strikeforce is the problem here. A champion being treated differently that every other champion and not liking it is not mind boggling.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you mean this?

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut up, you love Dana White

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey look, it's my time on the Internet!

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

no homo

yes huh

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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another great part of that quote is the line after it -

it was a big jump from taking fights in Vernon, British Columbia

So she was “plucked from obscurity” (despite being the women’s bantamweight champion in Hardcore Fighting Championships, which was a fairly large Canadian promotion at the time), and it was a big jump from Vernon to the big time. That’s peachy except for the fact that she fought in Vernon in the 2nd fight of her career. Her last fight before she got a Strikeforce contract was in Palace Fighting Championships, a well-known and respected organization. She fought 6 times between the Vernon fight and the first SF fight.

Would anyone say that Jon Jones was plucked from obscurity because he fought in Ledyard, Connecticut once? Come on. It’s a clear distortion to make her look bad for some reason. It’s becoming a trend.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say that Jon Jones was plucked from obscurity when he debuted in the UFC. Dude was a significant dog against Gusmao and Bonnar.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guess you hid the other one

That’s not what I was arguing. I was saying that he’s distorting facts to make his point. Sarah didn’t go from Vernon straight to the fight with Tate like he’s presenting it. Nor did Jones go straight from Ledyard to the UFC. He fought multiple times before he got there. It’s presenting Sarah as a girl that came from some backwater town and got plunked into the big time that annoys me. It’s a clear distortion and misrepresentation.

And Jones was only +135 against Bonnar.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hide stuff when I make typos. No comment editor, my ass.

You could actually find Jones at +162. Are you using a specific site or BFO or what? Using their best available lines, it’s fair to say he was about a 60/40 dog, which is significant.

I think you’re getting into a bit of semantics with the Vernon thing. The point is that she was toiling away fighting nobodies in Canada until Strikeforce gave her the call (brief sojourn in PFC, yada yada). Jon obviously uses inflammatory language to make his point, but the point is still valid.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was referring to BFO, yes.

It might be semantics, but the facts as he’s portraying them don’t ring true when examined, that’s my point. It’s emphasizing a perceived negative on Kaufman for no real reason I can understand, except to inflame. If she was plucked from relative obscurity, okay. But she sure as shit wasn’t plucked from Vernon.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you’re arguing that a fighter is well known because they were a HCF champ, you might be stretching your argument a little thin.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did I use the words “well known”? You’re the one that intentionally misled, not me.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2010 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

No one was intentionally misled. You are suggesting she wasn’t plucked from obscurity to appear on national television. She was.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 25, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that she's the fucking champion doesn't matter to you?

And I know, she’s a woman so it’s not like she’s a real champion but if Strikeforce wants to give out belts they need to be ready to treat the carriers of those belts like champions.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

how about

because none of the strikeforce titles means very much and this is the newest and least developed of all their belts.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Here is the deal.

MMA is a growing sport. Everything is about buyrates and ratings. If you don’t bring in either then it doesn’t matter how good you are. MMA is not established enough to put on whoever they want. So they have to use the guys and girls that pull ratings in order to attract people to the product.

As much as everyone wants to act like this is a sport, a lot of people don’t consider it to be that way and even for all the people that do this is still just a niche thing. Being on ESPN doesn’t equal having “made it”.

MMA, at least for right now and the near future, IS about ratings. That’s all there is to it.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yes but those people also need to be promoted in order for people to pay attention to how exciting they may be. Imagine if after Copperfield made the statue of Liberty fake disapear, and then when everybody stopped paying attention a real sorcerer came along and actually made the thing vanish for real. Honeslty, the fact that people are still trying to argue about her being boring after she made a crater in the center of the floor the size of Roxy’s head is beyond me.

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Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

This kind of thought process is the reason Womens MMA will never get off the ground.

The Champion, in the biggest promotion that has a Womens title, shouldn’t be on their main cards because she isn’t a draw….

Why isn’t she a draw?

Because she has no exposure!

Again, the Anderson Silva or Jake Shields parallels blablabla

Strange article Jonathan…

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by xAtlasx on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

well that and her last fight was utterly painful to watch

did you watch Kaufman’s last fight all the way through? it was torture. it had me praying Pat Miletich would return to the cage it was so bad.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sean Sherk still defended on the main card of PPV and he isn’t very entertaining. Jon Fitch still hits the co-main event on cards or very near the top and his only semi-recent exciting fight was him getting ravaged for the entire GSP fight. They aren’t draws, but to serve the legitimacy of the sport they are on the main card of main PPV. If they want to push women’s MMA as a true part of the sport they shouldn’t put the best on 2nd tier cards. Even if she wasn’t headlining, having her on a major card would lend to her’s and their promotional credibility; not to mention giving her more visibility, which is exactly what the women’s portion of the sport needs.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't forget about...

Tim Sylvia. People hated watching him in title fights.

by Crazynutts on Jul 25, 2010 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly and yet he was there. That’s what legitimate orgs do with their champions. If it doesn’t matter, don’t make it a title. Just have the fights and say these women are really good, but they don’t matter much.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tim Sylvia main evented in title fights three times over fights that were more hyped than his- Tito Ortiz vs Forrest Griffin, Tito vs Ken Shamrock 2, and the first Frank Mir vs Brock Lesnar fight.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, in name only. The other fights were the real main event. They were thrown on the card with the heavyweight champ because he couldn’t draw. Just like Kaufman wasn’t at the top of the card-because she couldn’t draw.

I won’t argue that she shouldn’t have been at the top of that card. But after her last showing you should be able to understand why they made that call.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 25, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

The point is that her title fight was on the equivalent of a UFN, whereas Silvia wasn’t. Title fights belong on your biggest stage, even if they aren’t the main draw. If you are trying to add legitimacy to your fights by saying it’s a title fight, then you should treat it that way. And for her to say that after her fight is perfectly fair.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 26, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

It would have seemed less diva-ish if,

 she said something to the effect of, “All women’s MMA champions deserve to be on the main strikeforce card” or “this match deserves to be on a strikeforce card” Instead, she states that SHE deserves to be there, making the issue about herself.

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions  

“this match deserves to be on a Showtime card”

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 24, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

There’s 2 Strikeforce women’s champions. One’s on the main card. The other is her. There’s no basis of comparison for her to use.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

How much does anyone want to bet

That Gina Carano’s next fight (if there is one) isn’t on a Challengers card?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one wants to bet that.

She is one of their best draws. It’s good business to make sure people see her.

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by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

BECAUSE SHE IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST DRAWS THAT STRIKEFORCE HAS!

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they hired the guy that did the Fort Hood shooting, he’d be their biggest draw.

Doesn’t mean other, actual fighters should be screwed out of his spot.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you constantly put on fighters

who are really good but don’t draw well and don’t bring in ratings then eventually your company will fold.

Worth it then?

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve never seen an MMA company try that. I’d support them.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

There aren't enough people like you.

If people are watching then it doesn’t matter who is good. Ideally, you put good fighters on cards with proven draws in the hopes that they get some sort of rub and become draws on the strength of their performance. Sadly, this doesn’t usually happen.

I’m telling you, it’s time to send MMA fighters to pro wrestling school so they can learn how to cut a promo.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you could always build your own draws too. Takes time and money, but it’s definitely doable.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting at with this?

Gina is legit fighter and she’s a draw.

win win.

by MMAGuard on Jul 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gina is one of the most recognizable fighters on the roster with only one recent loss. She deserves that spot. sorry…Just like Lesnar deserved to remain on the main card after Mir submitted him. Big draw + talent

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL at asking for a perfectly crafted response after someone just got done getting punched in the face for 13 minutes. I thought she did pretty well all things considered.

by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Judging by her pre-fight comments, it seems like she though about what she’s going to say before her match.

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

she thought

 its still too early in the morning for me to be typing (Hawaii time)

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 24, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

GTFO of here with this diva nonsene
  1. Ranked Undefeated Champion making her first title defense = being put on a major card.

And seeing as both her and Cyborg are fighting 135 pounders she get put ahead in the female p4p rankings

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by The Blackula on Jul 24, 2010 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Coward

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

com’ere seriously? Scorpion all of a sudden sounds like Larry the cable guy. Get over here. Drop the excuses pick up a purpose, god damn blasphemy.

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I thought that’s what he said in MK 1 for SNES, but my memory may be fading

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step into my office.

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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s amazing how crazy everyone gets about shiny gold belts.

I don’t remember much of an outcry about this fight’s placement before Kaufman slammed Roxy into an unconcscious state. Outside of Sarah herself, anyway.

If Sarah Kaufman didn’t have a title belt, no one would give a shit about her being the co-main on a Challengers card. Put a piece of gold around her waist and suddenly it’s a Big Deal.

I don’t always agree with Jon, but he’s dead on here, if a bit hyperbolic. At the very least, you have to understand Strikeforce’s decision here. She headlined the last Challengers show she appeared on and people CLEARED THE BUILDING.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

She does have a belt though.

Conveniently ignoring that to make a point doesn’t make for a solid analysis. She won the belt, it’s not like it was awarded to her.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

who gives a shit about that belt?

they made it up basically just for her. the WAMMA title has much more meaning that the Strikeforce women’s 135lb title.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly ^^

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

In fairness

It’s as relevant as the rest of Strikeforce’s belts.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So not relevant at all?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You said it, not me!

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly…if they are pushing her as a legitimate champion, they should treat her as such. By relegating her to a lesser card, they are denigrating their own belt.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

They made up the belt for her? They weren’t even counting on her winning the thing! It’s a a belt. You promote 6 divisions, you treat them equally. What’s wrong with that?

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by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2010 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

What’s wrong with that? A billion things. Does Zuffa treat the 135 pound title the same way they treat the 205 pound title?

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 25, 2010 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

They’re different organizations on different networks. Completely different.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zuffa-owned WEC certainly treats the 135 division the same as Zuffa-owned UFC treats their 205 division. So while that wasn’t the answer you wanted trying to say it’s a lesser division, it’s the true answer.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess we're too used to the UFC, where belts mean something

That being said, I get why they did it. But I also get why Kaufman would be pissed about it.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure, she does have a right to be pissed.

But trashing the event after she could’ve taken the high road wasn’t a smart move.

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by The MMA Noob on Jul 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did she really trash the event?

She said her piece on deserving as one of their champions to be on a higher profile card.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows Challengers shows are the b-show

People who watch it know what they’re getting. It’s not like anyone watching immediately thought “She’s right, why am I watching this shit?” and changed the channel.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, according to the logic of some people in the comments, if Kaufman fought on the Fedor vs. Werdum card, she should have been the main event.

Wat?

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

you’re pretty much missing the point completely here buddy, it’s because she has that belt that the whole thing is an issue. If she wasn’t the champoin there is no outrage, she is the champion so people feel she should be held to a higher standard by default.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah but people like to pretend we live in a fair and just world here, let us have this if only just for a moment.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So she’s a whiny diva? Right.

Not everyone is saying she should get what she wants, but she has every right to say it. She shouldn’t have an article dedicated to her being a whiny diva because she wants to be more successful. What a jerk! Come on.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I’m not saying that? The biggest thing I’ve been countering is the idea that this fight with Roxy as the co-main of a Challengers show was wrong. It wasn’t. And no one was complaining before the fight.

I also don’t think it’s some moral travesty if SF were to have her headline another Challengers show. Whether you like it or not, people don’t care about the 135 pound women’s division right now.

Sarah has every right to voice her displeasure.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's all I've been saying

As well as a lot of commenters. There’s nothing rude or ungrateful about her desire to be featured on a major televised broadcast. Seems pretty pedestrian a thing to voice displeasure over, when women’s MMA— as unpopular as it is— could use a morality boost from the media to perpetuate interest after such a great moment as her powerbomb was. How often will they have something like that to motivate interest? Instead, we’re hear reading about how she’s selfish and ungrateful and how she doesn’t deserve to be on TV.

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by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Many people don’t care about the UFC 185 lb division right now because AS ‘cleaned it out,’ but that doesn’t mean he won’t headline or be the co-main on a PPV card…

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you’re right. No one cares about the UFC 185 pound division. It’s a perfect comparison to the women’s 135 pound division.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

His statement seemed to be likening people not caring about the women’s 135 division as compared to their other divisions. My response is saying most would prefer to see a different title fight other than the UFC 185. The same could likely be said for the women’s 135 division. The UFC still pushes it as a legit division, whereas Strikeforce says they are promoting but sets their championship fights to the side. It’s an indirect comparison, but the meaning of it still holds.

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strikeforce created the division, therefor that is their problem.

All she has done is win and ask to be treated like everyone else. Why does that deserve name calling.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the argument is that she should be okay with being treated different than every other champion. As a woman she is lucky to be treated at all. Sexism is great!!

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps there shouldn’t be belts in the female divisions until there is more competition and the level of talent is higher. This wouldn’t be a problem if Strikeforce just put on solid female fights without titles on the line.

by VI Scose Poise on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

There is a lot more talent at W135 then there is at W145 or M205.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope to god you specifically mean SF’s M205.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with you about #3

The female divisions are the shallowest in Strikeforce and that’s really saying something.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn’t a big part of the problem the fact that Stikeforce really isn’t committed to female MMA to the degree you need to be to develop a single division, let alone two? I mean, they average less than a single womens fight per card.

by Jahbulon on Jul 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Developing divisions (and fighters) isn't something Strikeforce does well

The fact that the female divisions have to practically be built from the ground up makes them that much harder. It’s hard to put on too many female fights when there aren’t too many known female fighters and you have to balance sport and ratings.

They’re trying with the upcoming tournament though, which is a perfect use of the Challengers show, BTW.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the overreaction has a lot to do with how Snowden portrayed her. As a diva who’s not good enough and was “plucked from obscurity” and should stop complaining, despite the fact that every other fighter in her place would and has tried to promote herself and talk up a potential higher spot in the company. If he had made his points more concretely and less abrasively, it wouldn’t have ended up like this. He seemingly did it like that SO it would end up like this. Along with his comments last night about her and Roxy, it comes off as pretty weak.

You make solid points, and I agree with most of them. We’ll see what the ratings look like for last night and go from there. But no matter how she became a champion, she should be promoted like one.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I honestly think if the UFC brought the WEC into the fold we’d see a brian bowles defending his title on a fight night. More weight classes = more spots that have to get filled = less room for your less popular champions to be in pimp spots.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, at least he'll be headlining.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Again...

previous performance dictated that she should go in the co-main spot (it’s actually smart as people tend to sit through a bad co-main to get to a main while they’ll just turn off the last fight if it’s bad). Then she put on a really good performance and now you make your changes going forward.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus...remove head from ass...Dominick Cruz

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which is why the UFC won't promote 7 divisions under their banner anytime soon.

And it probably is Strikeforce’s mistake to be promoting 6 without the space on shows for them. But if you’re going to treat one differently than the other 5, how do you expect it to grow? It’s not a draw because it’s not being presented as one. It’s the chicken and egg argument. It can be argued endlessly from both sides. My point was that you need to treat all your belts with the same respect. Obviously some are bigger draws than others, but that doesn’t mean Sarah Kaufman deserves to toil in obscurity.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're making steps...

she’s defending the title, they’re holding a tournament to crown a big time challenger and put on the first thing close to a money fight in the division.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 24, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cool. So put that fight where it belongs, on a main SF card. That’s all I’m sayin.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why is that better? There aren’t that many more viewers and she’ll get more attention at the top of a Challengers card than opening a SF card that is only different because it comes on two hours earlier.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 25, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally get Snowden and his motives for driving comments, but honestly sometimes it just comes off as too cheap especially if you are trying to maintain some from of credibility. I here what the staff is saying about liking the traffic, but stuff like this while beneficial at the moment can really come back to bite you in the future and I don’t want to see BE go out like WCW or like Strikeforce potentially in the near future.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Snowden honestly believes this stuff

he’s opinionated. he’s always been like this.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded. I know Jon pretty well, having spent plenty of time with him off the internet, and he’s not writing this to cause a ruckus. If he says something, it’s what he believes.

by jbotter on Jul 24, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

3) The problem is that she is a champion at all. Strikeforce rushed into crowning a champion in a division that wasn’t developed. Now she is fighting people no one knows. This isn’t Gina who got over on her looks, or Cyborg who got over on beasting Gina. This is Sarah Kaufman who has been fighting people no one knows and has not been able to establish a name because of it. Now Strikeforce is running a tournament and creating a division which all should have been done FIRST so that these fights made sense.

Absolutely agree with this statement. However, Strikeforce should be giving this weight division the same support that they show the others. By putting a championship fight on a poorly promoted Challengers show, aren’t they, in effect saying that this weight division/champion doesn’t matter?

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by Donna on Jul 24, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s a division that has exactly two title fights in its history. One of which was a snoozer which drove the crowd out of the arena. It doesn’t really hold much weight.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be curious to see if the August Welterweight tournament does anything to drum up support for this division.

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by Donna on Jul 24, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m sure it will help. The question is how much.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you should have written this article.

Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.

I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.

by SamCupitt on Jul 25, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Snowden's articles lower the quality of the site to gain viewers

Strikeforce valuing freakshow fights over its low drawing champions lowers its legitimacy.. in exchange for viewers.

by Jitsoo on Jul 24, 2010 3:40 PM EDT reply actions  

It may come as a shock to some people

But Strikeforce is looking to make money. More viewers translates to more money. It’s great to have you’re principles, but you can’t eat them, you can live in them and you can’t wear them.

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by Worldisart on Jul 24, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

  I hope this isn’t taken as writer bashing, but every time I’m reading a Snowden article without knowing he actually wrote it beforehand, why do I only get about half a paragraph in before I go, “wait, who wrote this?” And there you are. You just go too extreme and reach way too much for my tastes.

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by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

If you don't like Snowden writing

then don’t post on his threads.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I think you’re misunderstood, that’s actually a very good… strategy.

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by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, more of a silent protest.

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by Mr.Kib on Jul 24, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also,

I have been an avid reader of this site for years (more than 5 visits a day on average I would say). I must say it is becoming increasingly irritating to read articles like this. I frequently feel trolled. I feel Snowden writes these types of articles to bait the readers into a heated discussion. I no longer feel good about coming to this site. I feel Snowden is disrespectful to the athletes of our sport. I apologize for the writer bashing. I know how I feel doesn’t matter. I just had to say it.

by Jitsoo on Jul 24, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think calling Kaufman a diva is a bit below-the-belt, and I certainly understand where she’s coming from, being one of the promotion’s champions and all.

I do wonder, though, what the response would be if, say, Dominick Cruz publicly complained about being put on the WEC shows on Versus rather than the UFC-promoted PPVs. Would everyone back him on that?

by JRN on Jul 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

You’re right, it’s not a perfect comparison. Basically I’m wondering to what extent people are happy to pile on here because criticizing Strikeforce is the thing to do these days.

by JRN on Jul 24, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Criticizing Strikeforce has been the thing to do for a solid year now.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

“The past year” seems like a suitable referent for the phrase “these days.” To me, anyway.

by JRN on Jul 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

People have been saying SF is failing and will be gone any day for atleast a year now. It is like a mosquito buzzing by your ear. Damn annoying and hard to make go away.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

BZZZZZZZ

Signing Fedor was a terrible idea and they’ve been run like shit since. This is what happens when a promotion that’s not ready for primetime wilts under the limelight.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

nick diaz has "mega wattage star power"?

not trying to pick anything apart, just a bit surprised to read that. is he really that good of a draw for them?

by woooburn on Jul 24, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

When he shows he draws pretty good.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have no numbers to back this up

But I’m under the impression that he’s one of their top draws. Top ten, at the very least.

by simpsycho on Jul 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Mega wattage star power” much like a lot else in this article is an exaggeration, also keep in mind Snowden has revealed himself to be a Diaz homer in the past. He’s defenitiely a draw of some sort, but I don’t think there’s all that many people that go out of their way to catch a Nick Diaz fight, certanly not on a “mega wattage” level.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just seen it.

He also said this to Emma May

@m4quinon Snowden has repeatedly distinguished himself for his ability to construct BS narratives. No idea what he’s doing at Bloody Elbow.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

That’s bold

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

IT'S ON

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by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding.

Tomas Rios agrees with me on this issue?

I’m going to have to re-evaluate my position.

Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go grab about 10 showers.

by Steve4192 on Jul 24, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that the guy that writes all the previews for the major events?

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by StevenGiles on Jul 24, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol… I kinda find that stuff amusing

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Rios is a bit of a tool

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

a bit?

he’s a complete clown

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was trying to be nice =p

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by VegasBatman on Jul 24, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Rios' stuff

but he regularly bashes fighters way beyond anything we would put up with around here.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Only if you really believe what you’re saying. Then it’s just opinion and not bashing

by Steven Abbott on Jul 25, 2010 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can they ban people on other sites?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a rec.

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by j.villain on Jul 24, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dear God

People need to start realizing this is a business and SF isn’t going to put Sarah Kaufmann on a main card unless they think it makes them money. All your self righteous babble about how she deserves it and SF has a moral obligation is just plain asinine. Get over it. When she becomes marketable they give her a spot, but until then why the hell would they lose a bunch of money just to meet the ethical arguments of some annoyed hardcore fans who probably make up only 10%-20% of their viewership and will still keep watching them despite their reservation and outcries. Jesus maybe people should be required to take a business 101 class before they spout off.

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 24, 2010 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I love this!

This guy is so wildly and consistently off base. If you hired me to troll BE I couldn’t do much better.

by lotuschoke on Jul 24, 2010 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

step up big talker

let’s see some fan posts.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is a little sad

When I can read the first paragraph or two of a post and tell that it’s Snowden. Before you say step up big talker I am not a writer and don’t purport to be one. At the beginning I agreed with Sonnen, but since then he has moved so far off base it’s getting to seem he is Chael Sonnen’ing this website.

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 25, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

errrr

meant to say snowden right there instead of Sonnen. Freudian slip?

by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 25, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

it was pointless to ask for the main event card because that is next...once the tourny is over that fight WILL be a main card fight at a main event

but can she fit on a card with ALL those names who need fights in oct/nov? (there are a LOT)…no…not without THIS challengers fight that gave her and the 135 women’s division a huge boost

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by SDChief on Jul 24, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

 After just one defense, Kaufman is being treated like she is some kind of superstar champion who is beneath anything but the highest bookings Showtime has to offer. I had no idea people around here are so reverent to the Strikeforce Championship.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay

What if it was one of the M-1 fighters in the same situation. Would you have the same opinion?

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure what you’re talking about, M-1 Challenge doesn’t even have belts

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

OK

How about if a guy won on the M-1 Challenge event, and then said he’d like to be on the next co-promoted card with Strikeforce? Is that guy trying to do what’s best for himself or being a whiny little divo?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

There we go

Worded much better than I wanted to. I’m a visual thinker.

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You do think in gifs…

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by themachiavellian on Jul 24, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Something like that lol

I zone out and see random made up scenes when I’m listening to music.

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would be a totally different set of circumstances, and the premise behind your question is flawed. Kaufman can think she is “trying to do what’s best for herself” and also be a diva about it. They aren’t mutually exclusive.

If Kaufman is speaking euphemistically and what she is really saying is “PAY ME like I’m a regular on the main cards”, then that is one thing. But she already has a nice niche being a co-main on the Challengers cards. She is where she ought to be in the pecking order. So considering she wouldn’t be anywhere without Showtime, I don’t find it unreasonable to describe her attitude as ungrateful or diva-like. She can ask for all the superstar treatment she wants, I just don’t agree with it.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

(crickets)

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh, it happens

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

So why’d you bring up M-1 again?

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Picked a org outside of the UFC and SF

Could have gone with DREAM. M-1 was easier to type.

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

DREAM only runs one series of events. M-1 doesn’t have individual titles. Whatever analogy you were trying to make, it doesn’t work. DREAM and M-1 have nothing to do with this.

by smoogy2 on Jul 24, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true

Wasn’t thought out, and I’m not too proud to admit it.

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hardly a diva. She’s an intelligent athlete looking out for her best interests following a very exciting win. I liked this fight and I would like to see more women’s fights on every card.

by Michal on Jul 24, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Hahaha.

Suddenly everyone cares about the Strikeforce championships.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not sure I understand this

IIRC, people were complaining about SF devaluing their belts. They were complaining because they didn’t like Coker devaluing the belt. I take it that they didn’t want Coker to devalue the belt because they valued the belt.

Am I remembering things incorrectly? (Serious question, not sarcastic.)

by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

From everything I've read on here

it’s always been stated by many, not all, that no one gives a shit about the Strikeforce belts including Coker. That’s why I don’t get it that everyone is making a big fuss about this title.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s not how I’ve seen people’s views on their belts at all. People complaining about Rogers getting a title shot coming off a loss, them taking forever to bring Overeem back, how they treated Shields, etc. All based on how SF is devaluing their belts and it’s stupid.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 24, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, I’ve been making this argument for over a year.

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by Mike Fagan on Jul 24, 2010 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another masterpiece. So what I’ve taken from the last two days is that not only are mma fans generally racist for failing to appreciate the great Anderson Silva, but evidently women need to know their role and keep their mouths shut. So to kind of link these, since Anderson Silva doesn’t draw (which was argued quite rigorously yesterday) then he should be in the co-main event of the next fight night. And if he complains about it, then he must be a diva too.

by joshyboy708 on Jul 24, 2010 5:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Strikeforce can't win either way with hardcore fans.

One week the bloodyelbow comments are riddled with people saying Strikeforce belts don’t mean anything, and the next week those same people will defend a SF beltholder to the death.

One week they laugh at their ratings, the next they’ll suggest they promote a fighter who cleared the stands to a main card slot on showtime.

by nastyem on Jul 24, 2010 5:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Carano is doing a fairly good job keeping herself off every channel.

You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.

by lhasafi on Jul 24, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coming soon to a movie theater near you!

by Horselover Fat on Jul 25, 2010 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whether or not she does get onto main cards, she sure has hell has reason to ask for it now. She’s undefeated, holds the title and just gave the promotion a clear-as-day KO of the night. What more should she have done, write a damn bestseller while she was at it?
The ratings flop against Hashi is at least partly due to the promotion she has received. Let’s face it, it’s not just her who’s getting little or no interest from fans – that’s the problem with just about every female fighter. The audience do not know them, therefore they don’t care.

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by lhasafi on Jul 24, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Silly Waste of Writing

My Goodness, this is a silly piece of writing. How is that Snowden feels such justification and righteous indignation over her victory speech when it is a dime a dozen speech and, even moreso, expected if a fighter wants to be noticed and plead his/her case for a higher profile. It appears to me that Snowden feels she should stop talking, be thankful and get back to training barefoot in the kitchen.
Just when you think the writing cannot get any sillier.

by Dean Head on Jul 24, 2010 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

.....

Put Kaufman on bigger Strikeforce events but don’t ever make her co-main or main event because it’s borderline suicidal. Kaufman could be the first or second fight on the broadcast so she doesn’t clear the place out like the last time she headlined a show.

She doesn’t draw and that’s plain and simple. If she wants to be on a bigger card then I’m fine with it, just not as a main or co-main.

The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.

by SSreporters on Jul 24, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Snowden

Another horrendous article, this time with blatant misogyny. I was totally expecting “Kaufman should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen” as the closing line of this article.

by ChaelSownnen on Jul 24, 2010 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

(looks above)

Damn……….I’m thankful I had a wedding to attend.

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by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't it funny

That an article like this will receive 400+ comments but the Don Frye/Ken Shamrock article will receive 100 tops? Not saying anything bad. I see both sides of the coin on this and see where everybody is coming from. It’s also funny how Kaufman isn’t important enough to be on a main SF card but an article about her ranting will draw so many comments. She’s probably sitting back grinning right about now thinking if nothing else she’s raised her stock on the interwebz. If she even reads this site that is.

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by dedstrk316 on Jul 24, 2010 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on dude. The abundance of comments has nothing to with Sarah Kaufman being the subject of the article and everything to do with Jonathan Snowden being the author of the article.

Hit me again Tube Sock!

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is true.

Althought she benefits either way.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point

Exactly.

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by dedstrk316 on Jul 24, 2010 9:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Can we get off the sexist comment

Calling someone a diva isn’t sexist. If Snowden called her a “broad” or “dame” then yes, he’d be sexist, but she’s acting like a diva, just like Erin Toughill, who by all accounts from many people who work within MMA is a DIVA.

You broads need to calm down is what I’m saying.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m for the ugly broad with cornrows.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 23, 2010 9:40 PM PDT

From the live results post.

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by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be fair

he was being neutral

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh...they're both ugly broads

I see nothing wrong. I also use the term broad in normal conversation as do my female friends.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t think it was sexist, it’s just that I had noticed it while reading through and thought it was funny that you brought it up.

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by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point stands that they are both ugly broads.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So

you are being a sexist idiot now?

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm being drunk and saying that people are idiots thinking the term DIVA is sexist

And that his comment was taking a side of neutrality.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about you friend

but I’d definitely throw something Kaufman’s way, but that’s just me

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
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by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Son, I'm 2 Four Lokos deep

Kaufman is deec but ain’t no Tate.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No comparison

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

This dude gets it

Tate is a well built broad.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would pay good money to put my brand on that ass.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

You don't even know man...you don't even know

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Master of the Thread Takeover right here

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by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean…Meisha Tate sponsored by Condom Depot = Riot

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by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

ah, 4 Loko!!! grape?

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watermelon

I’m getting weird tonight. I’m gonna go to the bottle service club I think.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

hmmm

have you tried the new lemonade “version?”
i remember when i couldn’t even finish one…now, i can kill 3 w/ease. sad is my liver

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno where you live but they still are 12% in Jersey

Lemonade feels like it’s rotting my teeth. Watermelon goes down like water.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao! ther’s nothing like feeling your teeth rot! I’m in Dallas and they’re 12% here too.

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm moving to Austin

If they pussafied this shit Imma kill someone. Though I’m stoked to start drinking Shiner Bock on the reg.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

can't speak for Austin

but I think you’ll be ok, although you’re prolly gonna have to rely on Sparxx. I’m down there once a month for work and have yet to see a LOKO.

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dammit

ATX is okay by me. 3 hour ride to dallas right?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

w/out traffic you can prolly get here a bit earlier, but that’s about the norm. you comin here for workage or pleasure?

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moving for a change of pace

To join the ATX police force in a year (residency needed) and the fact that I’m a cowboys fan is awesome.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

we have a few good gyms up in Dallas to train, not sure how legit the gyms are in Austin, never really checked it out, but you’ll like it in TX. I’m from Connecticut so i feel ya re:moving from Northeast to the closest thing from Africa hot. bottom line, the chicks here are f’in fantastic and cowboys stadium is ummmm, epic

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

the machados have a gym in austin

i believe and roger huerta and quite a few others train in town somewhere

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think of the Barton Springs area?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's gorgeous a little crowded

good place to live when you first move to town

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I head out on tuesday

Looking at Barton Springs and Zoiler Park. Maybe east Austin on 6th to Waller.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Zilker Park

that’s a good hood.

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't realize...

they were forcing residency on people applying now. We take in so many military applicants who come from out of state to apply. Good luck though. Been with APD for about a year and a half and work on the eastside.

by Crazynutts on Jul 25, 2010 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

My brother-in-law has a bar on the eastside

6th and Waller. Gotta swing by when I’m down. I read about the residency online, dunno if it’s true but I know that the academy isn’t until 2011 so I gotta be there for a year anyways.

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by thisredengine on Jul 25, 2010 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

This ain't no contest

but looking through the eye of my penis they’re all winners.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

god forbid the people that write for this site be allowed to relax and watch the fights with the other fans without their comments being dragged out of a live viewing thread.

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't win Snowden.

You never will.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

to be honest

the fact that you, and the others, watch the fights and blog live makes this site more legit IMO. it’s very cool to interact w/the writers especially when we can chill and act as simple fans as opposed to being critical all the time.

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not ban the hypocrites on here?

We got people saying that it’s sexist to call a chick a broad and then repeatedly calling women broads and now drooling over a gif of a women’s fight that’s slowed down to see a woman’s ass jiggle. Unreal.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who are you talking about?

the one person throwing around broad is thisredengine and he states he has no problem with Snowden using it.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

People are retarded (oh man I’m anti retard!) with having no problem looking at these dames during weigh ins but getting bummed on the term diva? HUH? Tate does have a nice booty though. Real Talk.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

rec’d

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by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's what it is.

Or it’s just that I’d rather not be in the comments section with guys drooling over a gif like that. Go to a porn site if you want that shit.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man homie, lighten up

guys are gonna be guys occasionally.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amirite?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a handsome gentleman

Should I crack open my 3rd 4loko? Yes No Maybe (circle one)

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

(yes)

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay I'm getting weird tonight

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m way ahead and I’m on left coast time

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went surfing for 4 hours

I’m so beat that I’ve caught up.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 hour business call

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get dehydrated on business calls?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I kept muting the phone when I would hit the bong

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

strategery

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

coors light? guess the new wife got to pick the beer too

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

not gonna front

Was drinking Coors Light Nips…had 12 of them which I think is 6 beers?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pre surfing had 6 beers

I’m gonna be a mes…

Nate/Luke/Brent/Leland/Mods…I’m getting weird tonight, don’t ban me.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The banhammer has been out today in full force dude

Its been like whack a mole round these parts.

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

been layin low

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

truf.

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it

it’s like being out in the old west. Let me poor one out for our lost homie Mcaff something or other…I don’t know I can’t remember his name.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember our first encounter

it was in a thread about Brock Lesnar, he called me a homo…we didn’t really talk much after that.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

who is drooling?

Its a nice butt. Damn…….porn? Really??? I………….nevermind.

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was an overused gif, not the picture of War Machine last scene..Phew, I’m kinda annoyed by this comment, I’m off.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Au revoir mon frere

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kidding, I’m just tired and wanted to leave in dramatic fashion.

(I hope that’s not too much :o)

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big time

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jul 24, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s a nice bootay though..

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jul 24, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's another Sexist comment

Summer 2010 is the summer of Side Boob and Under Boob.

Discuss!

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

U DRUNK

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

so drunk

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

4 LOKO!!!!

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the morning 4 Loko laughs at you

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Watermelon 4loko is going down too easily...hrm...shoudl I drink 12% beer?

I thinkso!

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Summer of sideboob is the best summer ever

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way better than that Spring of the left testicle last year.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

don’t forget fall of the fartstar

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Both of you are complete boner kills

I mean I don’t have a boner but you guys are haters being hating.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

winter of the whispering eye better?

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still missing the smell of your crotch and your browneyes!

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

someone lose a cat?

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh hello 3rd 4loko

What’s your name?

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not drinking alone if youre blogging

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm trying not to blog on my SB site while drunk

It’s getting tough not to have a “Sunday Night Drunk Post” about a soccer team

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

genius

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

PS I opened up 3rd 4loko

Next is 12% booze beer

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to be your toilet paper in the a.m

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

a LOL’d moment if i’ve ever experienced one. sick bastard!!!

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m gonna rec that for the tasty visual.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

WMRR

Watch Matt Roth Runs

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you get like Pat Barry though?

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade

by Deo Wade on Jul 24, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

88 pound head tonka toy body

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Son I'm there

seriously I’m listening to backpack hiphop and there

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am playing CoolBoarders 2 on PSone Classics!

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jet Moto

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

must go buy…… And i need some Hot Shots Golf.

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

been playing a bunch of old games lately

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just got done watching Zombieland

I don’t want to say that movie was overrated based on what people were saying about it, but I will say that it was not as good as was originally presented to me through the communications of others.

What happened to Bill Murray at the end was pretty funny though.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad they got away from the Saw title, was a bit tiresome

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Summer of Side Boob in 3d is the best time ever

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know I’ve seen some pretty bad side boob, where it looks like the skin is preventing an avalanche.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Side Boob and Under Boob

Maybe I’m just lucky I know a buncha yoga chicks and surf skirts that have awesome side and under boobs.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

going to a 7/11 in the summer is dangerous shit, landbeasts everywhere

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You live in a gnarly area man

I got beach yoga broads

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

“keep Portland weird” is a city slogan

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Portland is weird

All I see is surfer skirts in Jersey.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve seen Art Alexakis give homeless people money/food more than a few times.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wastes perfectly good money and food on the homeless?

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why I avoid Wal-Mart

Sea Turtles and Velociraptors everywhere.

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

at all costs

hate sea turtles

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are crazy

the better the cushin the better the pushin, the more the stuffin the plumper the muffin, the higher the fat percentage the better the…penis…enjoyement?

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

my penis

quivers when dominated by an overweight chick w/an overly flabby vag….jus sayin

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

No offense

but your penis sounds like a big vagina.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on the day and what i’m smokin’, but my penis has been described as much worse than a big vagina. but i’ll take it

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stop being such perverts you guys shit!!!!

This is an MMA site!

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah

stuff it ya mouthy man-broad!

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t you dare hate on that .gif!

'Ello G'vnor!

by IHateMMA on Jul 24, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

god forbid that fighters be allowed to answer a few questions immediately after a grueling fight without their comments becoming the sole object of scrutiny.

by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't Snowden say he was drunk last night?

Although I was on Bad Left Hook and SC said he was drunk so I may be getting my drunks confused.

The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.

by SSreporters on Jul 24, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

no he wasn't drunk

I was…after seeing Springsteen at a tiny club playing Ramones and Stones covers.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

what Stones covers?

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude I was hammered ass drunk I can't remember shit

I’ve seen the dude live 36 times. He shows up at various clubs in the summer incognito.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sure it was Springsteen

you sure it wasn’t just…nobody?

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

son...I live in Asbury Park

I know Bruce Sprinsteen playing Ramones and Stones Covers.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

jersey shore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where’s snookie at?

"she told me she was on the pill." me

by SNATCHFACE on Jul 24, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you ever mention that abortion of a show again

Or I’ll get a case of the murders.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The music scene where I am at is at an all time low if you work at a Starbucks it’s cred for being a deep musician around these parts.

"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"

by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m hanging out with SC right now. And I can vouch for the fact that he is drunk right now…last night though? I have no clue.

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jul 25, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've sobered up now and stand by everything I said last night.

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by thisredengine on Jul 25, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely agree. I have no idea what Kaufman has had to deal with during her negotations with Strikeforce. She may have been promised a spot on the main Strikeforce show multiple times just to get her to sign before being forced onto Challengers. It’s not arrogant at all for her to talk herself up to the next level of viewership especially after an awesome performance, that’s the best time to talk about it.

by noquarter on Jul 24, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

My thoughts here

http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/7/24/1586406/the-snowden-says-kaufman-should

Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump

by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 24, 2010 8:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Congrats at the new gig man.

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by thisredengine on Jul 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So the Snowden hate is on tour now?

Good fucking god.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey man

If American Idol can trot out the shows losers on a tour every year why the F not?

There's no depth to my shallowness.

by MostDiabolicalHater on Jul 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Snowden hate?

Considering I was his biggest defender in tha Anderson Silva thread yesterday, you can GTFOH with that BS.

Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump

by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 24, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one who reads Snowden's articles,

thinks to himself “I guess that’s an interesting point” and scrolls down and is like “WHAT THE FUCK? 400 COMMENTS?”

a kitten dies every time you compare an individual sport to a team sport.

by Marvin Malehooves on Jul 24, 2010 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Not with the people on here.

The people that comment don’t seem to think, “oh that’s an interesting point”, they seem to think, “holy shit, something I don’t agree with, FUCK THIS GUY.”

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because maybe people don’t find it to be an interesting point, they find it to be an asinine point.

"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"

by Fake Emcee on Jul 24, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I dId the same for this article

“Well calling her a diva was a bit much but I see Snowden’s poi-HOLY SHITSTORM BATMAN!”

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by Tonley on Jul 24, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Negative Nancy / Debbie Downer always gets boo'd

If people start agreeing with such negativity, we are in a bad way. I am glad that I can see joy in things.

by truck on Jul 24, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty much the same way. Everyone being all bent out of shape over Kaufman being called “diva” is really silly, there’s nothing sexist about that. It’s obvious his articles are sometime a bit inflammatory, but I don’t see why people bite to such a huge extent. The only one that kind of pissed me off was the one after Lesnar/Carwin, but this one here I pretty much agree with.

by Horselover Fat on Jul 25, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I figured I'd post my take on it here, since it's vastly different...

I find it interesting how two people can view one fighter and see their actions so differently. Here’s my take:

http://www.mmaforreal.com/2010/7/24/1585509/kaufman-sticks-it-to-strikeforce

by Matt Bishop on Jul 24, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Matt does great work. Everyone should check out his stuff over at MMA For Real. His radio show ain’t bad either.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 24, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff

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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

How can you discuss the issue without mentioning the thousands of fans leaving the building in the middle of her last main event. Isn’t that central to Strikeforce’s decision making?

by JonathanSnowden on Jul 24, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes two to make a thing go right. It takes two to make it outta sight.

No one puts any blame on Hashi in that fight. She’d get tagged and then flop or back away the entire match.

Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
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by Deo Wade on Jul 25, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fans did the same thing during Anderson Silva’s fights with Thales Leites and Demian Maia………..two fights that looked at least simmilar to Kaufman vs Hashi, with one person wanting to stand and exchange and another person being forced to butt scoot a lot.

When Dana White expressed outrage over Silva’s antics and said if he did it again he’d put him on the prelims, we were told this was a sport, and we can’t dictate how a fighter fights, and how we should just enjoy Anderson for what he is. Sarah Kaufman has one bad fight that nobody even saw to begin with, and you act like we should be happy to even see her on TV ever again.

Anderson Silva can crap all over the fans with horrible fights, and we’re supposed to eat it up as PPV main event fodder all day long. But Sarah Kaufman can’t headline a Strikeforce Challengers card because she had a bad fight against Hashi? C’mon.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which promotion makes millions per event and which promotion has no margin for error? Strikeforce’s number one priority is to deliver viewers to Showtime. If they don’t they’ll get dropped. So should Showtime risk their whole business on the principle that title fights headline and then see the show bomb followed by Showtime refusing to accept her on a broadcast again.
It may have been mortifying not to headline, but this is actually best for her. Hopefully the show did 200,000+ – much more than would have saw her headlining – and the fans came away impressed. Now they can market her, where if she had headlined this show and it bombed, not only would no one have seen her slam but Strikeforce and Showtime would have felt forced to move her lower in the card..

by nottheface on Jul 25, 2010 3:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

strikeforce does not got to worry about ratings with sho since its a pay channel

they dont got to sell to advitisers since there no commercials,its about subsribimg.i did not agree with sno on this one buyt did with the lesnar-carwin one

by ndzzy on Jul 25, 2010 4:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Showtime is so worried about ratings, they need to start being concerned about putting together better Challengers cards. The Kaufman fight turned out to be the crown jewel of that entire card. The rest of that card was hot garbage. Frankly, some of those fights were hard to sit through. That’s the kind of stuff Strikeforce and Showtime need to be concerned with. How many people were turning the dial during that Cory Devella fight? I straight got up and made dinner in the middle of that fight, it was so pathetic.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 25, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

theyactually put preety dam good challengers out

this card was the weakest in a long time,abongo-kyle fight was good and girl fight.but i did leave in the voelker-devala fight to grab something to eat.

by ndzzy on Jul 25, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

How can you discuss the issue while glossing over the idea that she’s the # 1 fighter at 135? It goes both ways.

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by Beer Monster on Jul 25, 2010 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, let's see if I've got this straight

Strikeforce promoting Herschel Walker and Bobby Lashley over their actual champions is a good idea because they get ratings, and no one can begrudge them for trying to make money.

Sarah Kaufman trying to get onto a card with more viewers by calling SF out publicly makes her a diva because we can totally begrudge her for trying to make more money.

by Amor on Jul 25, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I didn't know why she was

until now…..so what she is doing is working

by GetItOn on Jul 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Reports are out that ratings peaked with the Kaufman/Modaferri title fight.

Seems all that goodwill that Kaufman “lost” since her last fight was somehow gained back.

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jul 26, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

So the lower ratings for this edition of Challengers is solely because of Kaufman?

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by Sergio Hernandez on Jul 28, 2010 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

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