The Decline of Submissions in MMA: A Closer Look
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Kid Nate fired the first shot in the ongoing BE discussion about the decline (or lack thereof) of submissions in MMA, its causes and implications. Nate:
I've been concerned that MMA is becoming too unbalanced and the disturbing trend that [Josh] Gross points out does nothing to reassure me...I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a good stand-up war, but I do worry that MMA is degenerating into bad kickboxing.
Mike Fagan played good cop in a response, arguing that while there was a clear downward trend, the death of grappling was greatly exaggerated and due to the numbers involved could be largely smoothed out with the addition of just a few "extra" submissions.
With additional time having passed, I thought it would be interesting to revisit this topic. The result is (I hope) a couple more insights into the numbers.
I performed a card-by-card analysis of the UFC's events since UFC 31 (fullfledged start of the Zuffa era, and shortly following adoption of unified rules), calculating the % of wins by submission per event. The ever-popular Sherdog Fight Finder was the source. A couple caveats: as we all know, Sherdog's results are known to be a little inconsistent; I did grab everything which was described as a "submission" (including tapping to strikes or corner quitting, if it was described as a submission); and the data was compiled manually so small errors are possible but I would fully expect them to be immaterial to the overall picture. I then graphed the results:
This is the submission frequency, as a percent, of every event from UFC 31 through UFC 116, along with a polynomial trendline. The primary feature that stands out to me is the erratic distribution of values. There aren't many periods of consecutive events with "gains" or "losses"; and there aren't many "flat" periods. Generally speaking, one card has more, the next less, the next more. But, the next feature that stands out to me is that the trendline (the most appropriate for data of this nature) shows a clear pattern of the frequency of submissions gradually rising through around Autumn 2007 (UFC 76/77 timeframe) and then gradually falling since then.
This trend is shown more clearly - much less noise - in a graph of the yearly averages, which follows.
There are two things clear to me from this graph: (1) it's true that submissions are showing a "regression to the mean", which was accurately argued for by Mike Fagan; but (2) it's clear with the benefit of 1 year+ removed from Fagan's piece that there is a downward trend (which was in dispute at that time). The last four consecutive years (2010 obviously being YTD) each had fewer submissions, average per fight, than the prior year; and this is the most marked trend on the graph. So it's fair to conclude something is happening.
To me this raises two questions: (1) What could explain this trend, and (2) Can it be considered "good", "bad", or maybe neither? As it turns out, the answer to the second is highly reliant on the answer to the first.
Let me tackle the second question first. The annual graph does show a definite regression to the mean. Again, Fagan:
I hate to say, "I told you so," but...wait, I love saying it. I told you so. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see a future period where the submission rate hits 35% over a few cards upon which I'll have to roll in and mow down the notion that BJJ is taking over the world (again).
Everything regresses back to the mean. Unless significant changes are made to the Unifed Rules of MMA, the submission rate will hover around that 25-26% mark.
Mike was prescient with his first statement: UFC 106, TUF 10 Finale, UFC 107-108 to end 2009 into 2010 had an average submission rate of ~34% with three of the four being above 35%. However, to date his second assertion - that submissions would hover around 25-26% - is less accurate (depending on how generous one wants to be with the word "around"). 2009 ended with a rate roughly 23.3% and 2010 to date is less than 22% - the lowest in 6 years.
So - we began the modern era at one level; gradually worked up to a higher level over 4-5 years; and we've now gradually fallen very close to the starting point over 4-5 years. Is this "good", "bad", or "other"? Well, as with all clever answers, the best reply here is "it depends". If the rate is falling because MMA really is turning into "bad kickboxing", and the rate will continue to fall - well I would agree with Kid Nate that this is bad. If the rate is falling because MMA is becoming more well rounded and submission defense is improving - I would consider that a good thing. On the other hand, a pure "regression to the mean" approach would imply that the area we find ourselves in these days is actually what's "normal", and that the period of rise represents a "bubble" not unlike irrational stock market run-ups.
However, again as with all clever answers I'm going to say that I think the truth is a lot more complicated. For one thing, MMA is still a very young sport (the modern era is a decade old) and didn't arrive fullborn: the game has seen a fantastic amount of evolution over its course. Even the last few years have seen a significant amount of evolution in the well-roundedness needed to compete at top levels. So one simple answer to the question is that the jury's still out on the "right" ratio of submission finishes, because there's simply not enough history to draw a conclusion.
In the interest of exploring the topic more fully, though, I suggest at least two other factors that should not be sacrificed to the the "vacuum view" of submission frequency. They are event type, and overall decline in fight stoppages.
Event Type
One hypothesis I formed in considering the timing of the decline in submissions is the arrival and prevalence of The Ultimate Fighter. I reasoned that TUF didn't exist till mid 2005 - so a big portion of the runup occurred without it - and that both TUF Finales and Ultimate Fight Nights (which began at the same time - mid 2005) featured a disproportionate number of TUF contestants and/or at the very least the "lesser-caliber" fighters, vs.the PPV's and numbered events which featured more "higher level" fighters. I reasoned that these are younger fighters who may be more likely to "stand and bang" in order to make an impression, as well as (on the whole, of course) not being AS versed on the ground as their more experienced counterparts. So, I formed a hypothesis that the prevalence of TUF/UFN events from mid 2005 forward "diluted" the global submission rate of the organization.
So to prove/disprove this, I returned to the data to produce two new graphs - one for TUF/UFN events, and one for everything else. The results are fairly persuasive:
While the "regular" (non-TUF/UFN) events graph shows a fairly even distribution of results, and its trendline is reasonably flat, the TUF/UFN graph is rather different. We see in this graph both a more pronounced bulge during the "bubble" period, as well as a much more pronounced decline in submissions over the most recent several events. In fact, until TUF 11 Finale (which was only a tiny uptick), each of the last 6 consecutive TUF/UFN events was at the same or lower submission rate than the prior event - a trend which never occurs in the "regular" events despite there being twice as many of them! Given the relatively small number of fights per event, and the additional impact each gained or lost sub has on the overall picture, these two charts show clearly that while TUF/UFNs have comprised only ~1/3 of all events of the past 5 years, they have been a major driver in the decline in submissions. Now, is this only a coincidence? Possibly, but I am unwilling to conclude that. These aren't events chosen at random in order to make a pretty curve on a graph - these are events whose rosters are inherently different from the "normal" events.
Overall Changes in Fight Results
Another factor that needs to be considered is that submissions as a fight result don't exist in a vacuum. Leaving aside no-contests, draws and other rare results, there are three main results in MMA - decision, (T)KO, or submission. How has the (T)KO frequency changed over time? Thought you'd never ask:
This graph shows that KO's have had a trendline shaped opposite of, but less pronounced than, that of submissions. So there were more (T)KO's in the first couple years of the modern era, dropping gradually to fewer, and now it's rising but only very gradually - it's basically flat the last several years.
By now, those who have stuck with me to this point can guess what this indicates - (T)KO's have been largely flat over several years, submissions have fallen - so decisions have been on the rise. And that's exactly what the data shows. Following, I graph the incidence of decisions per year. This is based not on my own data but from the great FanPost by mma_critic:
This is no reversion to the mean or a flattening out. There is a clear-cut increase in decisions over the past five years. Taking all of this information cumulatively, it's most accurate to characterize the situation this way: It's not so much that submissions have declined, as a statement without context, but that decisions are dramatically up and both forms of stoppage are down, with submissions compromising only a slightly larger proportion of the reduction.
To return to the earlier (and central) question - is this good or bad - I may be an optimist but I'm considering this to be positive. A greater number of decisions can potentially mean fighters are more cautious and boring; or it can mean that fighters are more well-rounded, there is greater parity in the sport, and iron continues to sharpen iron. While I can conceive of objective means to explore this in greater detail (a subject for a future very exhaustive analysis by some brave soul), I am comfortable in my own mind with my anecdotal experience that MMA has gotten much more varied, exciting and unpredictable over the past few years - which implies that the "boring" explanation isn't likely and instead, the sport is as diverse or more than ever and its participants are ever more skilled in all phases of the game - which as fans is exactly what we would hope for.
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Excellent stuff. I too have noticed a submission decline but it’s more common in the UFC than the WEC from what I’ve seen.
Any chance you can add Strikeforce?
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You bet
“Any chance you can add Strikeforce?”
I am planning to develop this for both Strikeforce & WEC.
Thanks for the props.
You need any help on WEC I did a piece on the 2008-2010 results
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/6/21/1528423/wec-fight-results-the-numbers-2008
Thanks for writing this in-depth.
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Excellent post
and rec’d!
Now we just need a brave soul to break things down to the televised card (including prelim fights that were aired on the live broadcast). That will tell us if we’re “seeing” even more decisions than the numbers tell us so far… especially with the hypothesis that top fighters are more likely to go to decision and are more likely to be on the televised portion of the card.
by mma_critic on Jul 24, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
I can do that. I've kept track. For example, before this most recent UFN: Florian vs. Gomi
We had a string of free shows from UFNs from April 1st, 2009-January 11th, 2010 and then TUF9 on June 13th feature a total of 4 submissions and 13 decisions.
Also without any deep research UFNs tend to have a lot of lightweights on the main card.
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That'd be awesome
It requires more effort that I want to put into it at the moment, since you have to make sure you grab the undercard fights that ended up being broadcast.
Actually, those fights tend to be subs/KOs. So, even better to see the sub/KO/decision rates for the televised card (including prelims that make the broadcast) and for the “main card” (the fights that were guaranteed to be on the main broadcast, usually 5 fights).
by mma_critic on Jul 24, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy graphs!
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I'd be curious about charting a breakdown of finishes by weight class
I would hypothesize that lightweight matchups have more decisions, based on the fighters having less striking power a superior cardio to larger men.
Thoughts?
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I'm also curious about trends in matchmaking that might exist:
Nowadays, more fighters are versed in more than just striking, grappling or wrestling, but I’d be curious about any trends in matchmaking on televised cards concerning fighting styles. How you’d break fighters down, however, would be pretty subjective, making any chart based on the “data” just a well presented opinion.
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I did this in February. It broke down like this:
LW: 43%
WW: 38%
MW: 31%
LHW: 34%
HW: 24%
That was using data in the UFC since 2004. I’m still not completely sure how to explain the divide between MW and LHW.
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Oh, and that’s the rate of decision by weight class, obv.
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Maybe
Since LHW is a division where titles change hands like a blunt in prison, it’s more competitive, and thus the decision rate is slightly higher (due to more well rounded/ defensively savy competitors).
It also seems that MW is where you start to see real vicious knockout power (Manhoef, McFedries, Lawler, Marquardt, Belfort, Hendo, Lombard, etc), since they have a good amount of weight, but they’re also still quite fast.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 24, 2010 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome analysis!
Rec’d for use of data and statistics in addition to opinion.
I had a feeling that as fighters became more skilled and matches were more even
the finishes would decrease.
I think we're also seeing more cautious fighting
Not wanting to make a fatal mistake.
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Also increased game planning and fight tape study means that a higher percentage of fighters go into a fight knowing what types of submissions their opponent likes to go for and what positions they go for them from.
Also, I would expect that, in general, more experienced fighters are more difficult to submit. Therefore, if the average UFC fighter is getting more experienced, I would expect the submission rate to fall as a side effect.
Crazy Good analysis
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Just skimmed over
the article but i think how fast refs are to stand people up is going to hurt the ground game. For example, last night Roxy had no chance because that ref was standing her up and pressing for action WHILE she was attempting to pass and actually hitting sarah.
Lacking on detail IMO...
No seriously, good shit mayne.
I’m running out and only got through half of this (I will read the rest later, I swear!)…you kind of hit on it towards the end, but it may be more prudent to look at submission in the context of submission/KO’s (or vice versa).
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Is there any way we could see the numbers for it?
I’d love to see this as a 100% stacked column graph, and I’ll do it if I have the data.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 24, 2010 9:00 PM EDT reply actions
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 24, 2010 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
Fighters are getting better at grappling. It’s hard to submit a good grappler inside of a 5 minute round. When you only have three of those rounds to work with, your options become limited.
Note that most of the guys you see getting submitted usually aren’t grapplers, or generally don’t have very good ground games at all. It’s fairly rare in MMA these days to see a high level grappler get tapped, not counting pure wrestlers of course.
Guys are just getting better, and the sport is evolving. These are all good things. It’s better that guys are learning to defend submissions that just getting insta-tapped all over the place. Then we’d be getting nowhere.
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I think something really cool is going to happen
We’re going to see wrestlers and jiu-jitsu guys become the same thing. Guys like Jake Shields and Matt Hughes (except better than them both) are going to be the ones submitting everyone. On the elite level, most submissions tend to happen when you have top control, so we’ll start seeing a lot more submission once wrestlers learn to incorporate them into their game more effectively.
Yeah, yeah – Fedor was submitted from the guard. But he was shockingly careless against one of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world.
This has 25 recs
and yet it never got a front page promotion on a slow news day?
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 25, 2010 12:27 AM EDT reply actions
I am pretty chill
I was asking a simple question. No need to get defensive.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Jul 25, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
zuffa could turn that trend around in no-time if they offered a bonus for each submission victory
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I’d be interested to see the breakdown in the yearly frequencies of arm subs vs choke subs. My suspicion is that subs like the armbar and kimura have fallen away in recent years while the choke subs are just as frequent as ever.
by rabrown on Jul 25, 2010 9:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Statistics are hard
hi, nice work getting the data together here, but these graphs are kind of meaningless. You’d need to use something like a Pearson correlation or a t-test to really get at the heart if we’re seeing any outliers and if there is a meaningful trend.
This stuff is really easy to do in Excel with the TTEST and PEARSON functions.
thanks for all the stats
because the sport is so young and techniques and proper selection are changing. huge countries are just now embracing the submission game (united states)with better qualtity grappling intruction on a higher level being taught worldwide…
doesnt the lower amount of submissions or attempts just point to one thing.. that more fighters are getting better at subs.. and that in general fighters need to use other game plans to accomplish winning? is this the question? or the answer?
Event types?
So when you what are some of the possibilities to explain the TUF/UFN fights having the large bubble?
is it the gameplans of fighters on these events or the skill level?
say for instance.. if your on a tuf/ufn you probably either just getting your shot (coming up the ranks) and possibly havent achieved a skill level or mentality to finish on that level or maybe your a fighter that is getting a last chance fight and if you dont win your done… in that case they maybe going for either a kO or grinding out a dec probably ..
i see no evidence of a trend
The erratic distribution of values means the ‘trendline’ you drew has no statistical significance.
A simple thought experiment will illustrate my point.
Take a coin, flip it 100 times in succession and graph your results. Chances are unlikely that you will have flipped exactly 50 heads and 50 tails so your graph will have a ‘trendline.’
Would this clearly show that the coin you flipped was weighted one way or another? Of course not, the results are simply due to chance not some other factor.
Back to submission rates, there are many many independent factors that influence it in an up or down direction but aren’t conducive to mathematical analysis.
looking at 2nd graph, %subs/yr
you could easily connect the 25% sub rate in 2001 w/ the 25% sub rate in 2010 and conclude that subs have stayed exactly the same. it would be silly to make that argument but you see how i might be able. this is not to say that there is no value in any of these graphs because there is.
for the sake of argument let’s say that 2003 saw a radical advance in BJJ, and in 2007 UFC started putting pressure on fighters to be more exciting. correlating this with the graph then allows us to come to conclusions regarding what sort of things where going on to drive submission rates up or down. this is obviously a simplistic example but i hope it illustrates my point.
by fuzzy wuzzy on Jul 25, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
“The erratic distribution of values means the ‘trendline’ you drew has no statistical significance.”
That’s simply not true. As somebody who works in a mouse genetics lab and deals with large amounts of “erratic” data (because biological systems don’t work like your coin example), his analysis was spot on.
Also, your “thought experiment” with the coin is massively flawed. For a better analogy, you would have to flip the coin 100 times and then repeat that experiment every day for a month. Your ratio of heads to tails would be the data point for each day. If it’s a normal coin, I assure you that the trendline would be essentially flat over that period of time. And that’s because the number of trials was high enough to make the findings significant.
"thought experiment" with the coin is massively flawed.
simply trying to demonstrate the importance of statistics to those not well versed in it.
If it’s a normal coin, I assure you that the trendline would be essentially flat over that period of time
i agree. looking at such a graph i’d postulate that we had a fair coin and would then employ statistic to ‘prove’ it.
such a graph would look nothing like the the %subs/UFC event graph. you could do statistical analysis on such a graph but it would be a waste of time.
T-Test
this coin flipping example is a very basic one of using T-test. If you find that the T value comes out to -3 or +3, then you can safely say that the coin is unfair. Basically a T value determines if something falls within how many deviations in a normal distribution.
by Ben Lebovitz on Jul 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't read a single word
of your post, I scrolled through to look at all the pretty charts and graphs and gave you a rec.
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well the decline is mostly in submissions that are not from a dominant position. BJJ is changing. If everyone is knowlegeable enough to defend attacks from their opponents guard you need the leverage to succeed. attacking from the bottom with the intent to submit is becoming more of a waste of time, sure right now occasionaly you can pull it off but against any well versed opponent your not going to succeed most of the time, your much better off using your grappling skillls to obtain a better position instaed of empty arm bars weak kimuras and sloppy triangles your opponent sees coming.
Well done
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Great research!
Along with Judo Chop, some of the best stuff I’ve read on BE. It’s nice to turn off the opinion machine and just look at the data from time to time.
by burien top team on Jul 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Great job
Deserving of every rec.
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Pretty sure that those are within the mean
I’m fairly sure I’ll fuck up terminology at least once in this post as I haven’t taken a stats class since the previous century, having said that, I’m pretty certain that your charts show that while yes, stuff is trending in a certain direction, it’s still all pretty much within one standard deviation from the mean.
WTF am I saying? Well on the off chance I fucked up the terminology or you don’t follow stats, lets take an above replier’s post about flipping a coin 100 times. You may or may not hit 50/50, but we know that its the middle number or mean as it’s a 1/2 chance. A standard deviation is a +/- that is considered acceptable random variation, I believe in this particular case it’s 10, so if you repeat that experiment say 300 times, anything that’s like 47/53, 58/42, etc. is chalked up as “this is fine. Well within the acceptable range for it being a supposed statistical 1 in 2 chance”.
To sum up, what I’m saying is that while yes, there’s a nice trend spotted with lines inching in a certain direction, it appears at a glance anyway, to be within the range of random occurrence and not some overall indication of a big swing towards one thing or another.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 25, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions
regression to the mean
As a PhD student who specializes in methodology, it is nice to see the use of regression analysis. However, if you really want to get technical you should probably control for outliers and influential data points. Or use the median number of submission as the baseline as the mean is easily “skewed” when you have large or small outliers (events with abnormally high or low submission wins).This is probably causing a change in you regression line, or mean, as they are likely “pulling” the line away from a more representative regression line. Thus, a robust regression model would give the best representation of whether the “trend” towards less submissions is actually as pronounced as is being claimed. For those interested, robust regression effectively neutralizes outliers through the incorporation of a bisquare weighting function and an iterative weighted least squares algorithm. In other words, it downweights large outliers to make the regression line more representative of the data and provides a better fit for the regression line. Overall, I agree that submissions “seem” to be on the decline I just depart with the extent of the decline in comparative terms. If you are going to use statistics to justify this trend, it would be helpful to put the decline in greater context by more accurately (in statistical terms) portraying what the trend has been. Nevertheless, interesting article and thanks for including statistics for mma geeks like me. Also, what statistical software did you use to do this analysis? And did you use ordinary least squares regression?
So as a PhD student
you’re not technically “MMA Fan, Ph.D” quite yet… :P I keed, I keed. I have Ph.D envy. My M.A. in statistics doesn’t sound nearly as impressive. That said, good analysis of number’s analysis.
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This is possibly one of the best posts in a while, there’s small statistical issues with some of it that the good doctor up above me pointed out, but otherwise this is pretty terrific. A+!
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by Patrick Tenney on Jul 25, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
I think the problem is
that wrestling, along with the basis on how fights are judged, is the reason behind the increase in decisions.
over the past few years the number of high-level college wrestlers entering the sport has skyrocketed. mix that with “octagon control” and takedowns being scored too heavily by mma judges, and evolution of submission defense, and you have a bunch of guys whose strategy is to grind out decisions from the top. you can’t blame them, it’s a good strategy for winning fights (less risk of taking heavy blows, low risk of submission from the bottom unless your fighting demian maia, looks good in judges’ eyes), but it results in BORING fights.
Thanks for the props
Want to thank everyone for the props for the article.
To the data-centric guys who responded, I’ll clarify that I’m certainly not a statistician. I have a layman’s understanding of it (perhaps a little beyond ;-)), and in my finance-related job I spend a great deal of time analyzing data and making sense of it, so I am comfortable there but certainly not a statistician.
KrmtDfrog above made a good point: while I do think we are seeing regression to the mean, I think the entire dataset (with the exception of a few outliers – for which your point is well taken MMA Fan, Ph.D – if I had it to do over again I might have taken a little time to clarify that, BUT FOR OUTLIERS, the data is actually even more consistent) is probably for the most part within a standard deviation i.e. shows a “normal” distribution.
I haven’t responded to the article since the very first reply, but I’ve read everyone’s responses and really appreciate the feedback and your time. I’m likely to post another related post at some point soon.
One possible explanation you missed
is the resurgence of the LW and HW classes. Lighter guys decision more and most HW’s lack the skill to submit opponents. While the latter distinction may be reaching, I think the growth of the LW division, the flight of talent from Japan, and glorified FWs moving to their natural weight class in the WEC (Mike Brown most notably) has reduced mismatches in a more decision-prone environment.
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Partially agree
I think you’re probably right on with the resurgence of LW, which returned in I believe Autumn 2006. However, HW has, to my perception, been at roughly the same frequency of fights for a while. I think you’re right about the lightweights though, and you’re right, I didn’t consider that.
Better training?
More guys actually train to defend submissions legit.
I think the biggest factor is athleticism.
YES quickness etc is great to latch on a sub, but it is also great on landing a KO/getting out of a sub. Even 2nd tier fighters are in much better shape athletically than guys in the past.
higher percentage of wrestlers coming into the sport
matt hughes is the best example of a wrestler using his wrestling ability to get submissions. i think, and i see i am not alone, wrestlers need to some how get a smoother transition into submissions or better bjj to get those subs. i like subs, i freaked out at leben and lytle’s most recent. i hope to see the subs make their way back, i would like to see a sub over a dec. any day.
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Is it bad that I actually enjoyed reading that.
Good post on a controversial topic. I would have to agree with the skill in grappling going up as well. Watch ADCC and it seems like everything ends on points.
I was just about to suggest...
further analysis on the trend of submissions vs point victories in ADCC
by IpullguardIRL on Jul 26, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
What function did you use as a trend line?
Was it a moving average?
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Great article!
I was a little worried that the stats wouldn’t be meaningful, but I think you did a good job. It would be really interesting if we could do a comparision between the unified rules and everything else just to see if there is an obvious skew to fights under the unified rules.
Ref’s are standing fights up more and more as time goes on. I would expect that has a lot to do with the lack of submissions. If only we could measure that as a stat, how long fighters get to grapple before being stood up, how long does ref x give vs. ref y? That would be very very interesting.

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