Classic Feuds: Ken Shamrock vs Don Frye
by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
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Josh Gross talks up an old favorite from 2002, Don Frye vs Ken Shamrock at PRIDE Bad Blood:
They hated each other. At a Los Angeles press conference less than three weeks before the fight, the longtime rivals -- who never managed to fight in the UFC -- nearly came to blows. I remember snapping off a photo of Frye dousing Shamrock with water before the two locked up in a clinch and knocked around Japanese pro wrestling giant Antonio Inoki, who was standing nearby.
Brutal fight. Shamrock was knocked senseless but awoke when he hit the canvas to twist Frye's legs with inside and outside heel hooks. It was all out war, which judges awarded by split decision to Frye. I've taken the time to thank fighters for their efforts maybe three times. This was the first. The next day, as each man struggled to get on a bus in Tokyo that would take us back to Narita airport, I was stunned -- and admittedly upset -- by how beat up they were. Regular folk would be in an ICU. These guys were hardly normal.
411 Mania included it in their all-time favorite PRIDE fights:
Dustin James: Don Frye was literally on fire in 2002. He had some classic battles that year including this epic war with Ken Shamrock. There's really nothing like a war between two guys that absolutely hate each other. The only downside to this fight is that it really took a lot off of both men's career. Shamrock got Frye in all sorts of nasty leglocks and Frye refused to tap due to his hatred for Shamrock. How could you not love a fight where the fighter is fueled by hatred so bad that he refuses to tap and would rather suffer long term effects than tap to an enemy? The fight eventually went to a decision, but it really shouldn't have.
Todd Bergman: This was a match up of the World's Most Dangerous Man vs. the World's Sexiest Mustache, and boy did it deliver in a big way. Much like Wandy and Rampage, this fight was brewed out of pure hatred that each fighter had for one another. If you watched and followed the sport during this time you knew that both guys were walking time bombs around each other, and several times they nearly came to blows outside the ring. The mixture of Shamrock's horrible trash talk mixed with Frye's cool one-liners made this fight even more electric. The intense stare down was a sign of things to come as both guys went out there and put on a show. The two traded heavy punches both standing and on the ground. Shamrock was nearly able to finish the fight a few times with his trademark leg locks, but ultimately Frye took the close Split Decision victory due to his striking and the pace that he set in the fight.
I just have three things to add:
- Until Tito Ortiz came along, Don Frye was the perfect foil for Ken Shamrock. Shamrock had no sense of humor and wise ass Don Frye could set him off six ways to Sunday. Both guys had basically been "baby-faces" in their UFC days, but in PRIDE they were both firmly heels and oooh was it promotional magic. These guys built heat for this bout like nobody's business.
- This fight happened about six years after it really should have. One of the most heart-breaking aspects of the bad old days of MMA was the cruel reality that there wasn't enough money in the sport to put together the big fights the fans wanted to see. Frye and Shamrock should have met in 1996 at the Ultimate Ultimate 1996, but Ken hurt himself in his first round win and couldn't continue. Failing that, a superfight should have been between the two men. Alas, the UFC was busy getting kicked off PPV and falling apart as a viable business. Both Frye and Shamrock went to Pro Wrestling for the big paydays and fans had to wait. By the time it happened in 2002, there was already a new generation of heavyweights who had passed these guys by, so it didn't have much of the ol' relevance, but it was still a great great fight.
- This is one of the rare fights were both guys really got to feature their best offensive weapons. Due to Shamrock's chronic inability to formulate a good game plan, the first part of the fight was spent in Frye's wheelhouse -- the dirty boxing clinch. Shammy landed some shots, but was basically getting the crap beat out of him. Then it went to the ground and Ken proceeded to inflict permanent damage on Frye's knees and ankles. Tapping would have prevented the carnage, but Frye wasn't about to tap to his hated rival.
UPDATE: BE Reader Deo Wade adds this critical point about the fight in the comments:
It's amazing how one match can completely change the quality of both fighters lives. Frye won the match but ended up becoming addicted to painkillers due to the damage that he suffered, and Shamrock's last bit of fighting spirit was completely drained after this one.
From now on when I'm confronted by knuckle dragging mouth breathers who want to retroactively denigrate fighters I'll point them to this fight. MMA fights are draining affairs and potentially life-changing. Sometimes after a great fight, neither man is ever quite the same. That's definitely the case with Shamrock and Frye.
More fun in the full entry including gifs and videos.
The staredown:
The highlights in gif form:
The hightlights in video:
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Good stuff
Don Fry is the man. Ken is not.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
oh Ken more than earned his man stripes in this one
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by Kid Nate on Jul 24, 2010 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
But he's not nearly as cool as Don Fry.
Who would you want to hang out with more? Don or Ken?
The correct answer is- “Don”
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
I might prefer hanging out with Don Frye more than most people on Earth, if what Doug Stanhope says is true. He’d hate my politics though.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
What're his politics?
I’ve never heard too much of that.
He makes Chael Sonnen look like a liberal.
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Dude
I can’t argue with any of your previous posts so I’m leaving that alone and thanking you for the information. Because with some of my posts, others here have mocked me and named me Chael. I’m just at a lost as to how many libs on this MARTIAL ARTS site have such liberal leanings. Usually martial artists are like military people. They tend to be conservative, or at least independent.
Politics: The Bane of Humanity.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
Are you "sowkrates"?
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
Niiice
Like duuuuude. I actually liked that movie when it first came out. I thought you’d be too young to remember it. You’re active duty still?No I’m not sowkrates. Just a vet watching my country being destroyed by libs and commies as good men stand by and do nothing, as Churchill said.
No, I'm out of the Marines
They wanted me to re-up but I told them I was done going to Iraq and trash-can-istan.
I’m 25 so I remember Bill and Ted.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
My kid is over there now. I aint happy about it, I understand your view.
You have my respect. Hope all is well with you.
Saw this for the first time on the best of PRIDE
It’s really given me a lot more respect for both men, that fight was incredible.
Even got my grandma into MMA haha
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Second gif
Shamrock trying to finish with the submission and Frye kicking him in the face….god I wish that shit was allowed in the UFC.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 24, 2010 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
yeah me too
there is NO safety reason for kicks from a downed opponent to a downed opponent to be banned. NONE.
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We ever going to get that post about Banned Moves? :)
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One of them there cosmetic bannings
it don’t look pretty enough to people so they can it.
"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"
I'm not sure that it's that
so much as the fact that people find it more barbaric. I showed a few buddies some Pride fights with Shogun after he beat Machida because they wanted to know more about him and they were fucking shocked when they saw him throwing soccer kicks and stomps. They didn’t like it at all.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
That’s what I mean by “cosmetic” banning, as in people don’t like the way it looks. Same with knees to the head of a downed opponent and 12 to 6 elbows, it comes of looking a lot more damaging to people then they actually might be and despite other moves being just as dangerous people call for those particular moves to be done away with in order to add more “safety” to the fighters.
"The Wu is too slamming for these Cold Killing labels
Some ain't had hits since I seen Aunt Mabel
Be doing artists in like Cain did Abel
Now they money's gettin stuck to the gum under the table"
Not entirely cosmetic
Kicks and stomps from standing to ground really can mess a guy up. The above post was about ground-to-ground kicks, which are probably much safer than some ground’n’pound punches. The 12-6 elbow was originally banned for idiot reasons, but can end with the point of someone’s elbow in an eye socket, which is bad.
For my money, I’d love to see kicks to the head if both are on the ground, and a 3 second grace period for knees and kicks to the head of a downed opponents. It would make the “I’ma just shoot retarded” wrestlers think twice, and get rid of some of the leg-humping near the cage.
Upkicks to a guy on his knees (or one) is seriously missing too (from fighter on his back). That's some silly stuff
Unified rules needs some tweaking, IMO. It’s a bit too watered down at the moment
by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ah i don't mind banning soccer kicks and stomps
they ARE dangerous. but if both guys are down, I say anything goes kick-wise.
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Dave Herman agrees with you Nate
"Ten more seconds is all I ever ask. That's the good thing I learned about being KO'd twice. You don't see it coming -it's like death- you don't plan for it so don't wait for it. So many people are afraid of getting Ko'd that their hands stay home, but not me. I got to go out there and shoot the lights out and fall down" Jens Pulver
by StevenGiles on Jul 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it was. Sherdog lists it as KO (Upkicks) which is completely wrong. Sengoku allows stomps so it was allowed
"Ten more seconds is all I ever ask. That's the good thing I learned about being KO'd twice. You don't see it coming -it's like death- you don't plan for it so don't wait for it. So many people are afraid of getting Ko'd that their hands stay home, but not me. I got to go out there and shoot the lights out and fall down" Jens Pulver
That's great.
That’s exactly the kind of shit that guys should be able to do in the UFC.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Love the ref-tackle.
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 25, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Great stuff. One thing made me laugh though- Dustin James’ explanation -
Don Frye was literally on fire in 2002
Really? LITERALLY on fire? Someone should have put him out then. A great example of how literally is tragically overused.
Great fight and great rivalry though. I might be getting the timelines and people wrong here, but wasn’t Frye/Shamrock never booked because they shared a manager or something? I can’t remember the details.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 24, 2010 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Literally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Literally
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
Not to rain on your parade, but...
literally has been used to mean figuratively for hundreds of years. It’s standard usage at this point for literally to count as an emphatic.
by PlantingaFan on Jul 24, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummmmmm
lit·er·al·ly /ˈlɪtərəli/ Show Spelled[lit-er-uh-lee] Show IPA
–adverb
1. in the literal or strict sense: What does the word mean literally?
2. in a literal manner; word for word: to translate literally.
3. actually; without exaggeration or inaccuracy: The city was literally destroyed.
4. in effect; in substance; very nearly; virtually.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
We literally are
unzipping now
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was aiming for your keyboard
but it has a mind of it’s own.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
Gotta keep them Jordans fresh?
I get it.
When Josh Barnett pisses in a cup, magic comes out.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 24, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where? I’m only going on my own experience here and you probably know better than me, but in all the journalism pieces, books, essays, etc that I’ve read…the term is used in the correct sense.
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Great stuff
I would love to see something like this with Chuck vs Wand, the tourney in Pride that never materialized the fight we wanted, and then Wand in the cage telling everyone he wanted to “F*ck Chuck”, and then the epic battle.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
This fight will continue in Walhalla, every day the match will be held there, just after lunch, the eternal fight will begin, they might break all of their bones and tear off all their skin completely, both may die before midnight, but in the day after, they will be reborn, ready to fight again, till the Gods claim for their help to defend Midgard and Asgard from the evil forces of the Ragnarok, Ken and Don, the einherjars, to Battle!!
by mmaniac22 on Jul 24, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions 8 recs
I can’t rec this epic enough. I’ve read the entirety of “The Sagas of the Icelanders” and I’d rather read this paragraph repeatedly.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Really!?!
I’m the only person I know who’s read it! Great collection; really enjoyed it.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I've read more of them saga by saga
Njal’s Saga, Egil’s Saga, Eyrbyggja Saga, and the Laxdaela saga are all HIGHLY rec’d if you’re into that sort of thing.
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Thanks, I’m glad you liked it. I wish I could get all the strange viking material out there but even with the help of the internet it is difficult to do. I can recommend you “Die winkinger saga” by Rudolf Pörtner, it is not a saga but it’s a great book about the viking culture, mythology and history, may be old but sure is very loyal and addictive to read, It covers all the viking period since the raid on lindisfarne back in the AD 793 and ends with the christianization of the scandinavian people.
I’m just a sucker for these kind of fights. So many people complain about how there is poor technique ect in brawls such as these, but there is really nothing better than watching two guys throw down in a battle of will and determination. I love these kind of fights! No matter how much they hate each other, at the end there is a sense of respect and gratitude towards one another for being in such an epic battle.
Lesnar Carwin II: Carwin is going to pull that horseshoe out of Lesnar's ass and beat him over the head with it.
This is missing something
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdYvabv54UU
There we go. No Shamrock vs. Frye post is complete without this classic gem.
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Some of those leg locks that Shamrock was putting on Frye made me squirm a bit – I know from experience how much they can hurt when your opponent just torques it a little; I can’t imagine having someone as skilled as Shamrock wrenching it with all his might and not tapping. Talk about willpower!
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
Inside heel hooks freak me the fuck out.
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Yeah that’s a do not want situation.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 24, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
It’s amazing how one match can completely change the quality of both fighters lives. Frye won the match but ended up becoming addicted to painkillers due to the damage that he suffered, and Shamrock’s last bit of fighting spirit was completely drained after this one.
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this is a great great point
i really should have thought of that for the main post.
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I thought I heard something about Frye being high during the fight?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 24, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard you were high during the fight.
There's no depth to my shallowness.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 24, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard that too
and it’s one of the reasons I’m 100% in favor of drug testing to catch use of painkillers and speed during fights. I’m not so worried about steroids or HGH, but painkillers and speed are just dangerous!
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This is the kind of post that...
that I’d love to see from Snowden. He could contribute so much to the knowledge base of BE’s MMA fans given that he has LITERALLY written the book on MMA. Instead, we generally get inflammatory pieces on current events, like essentially calling Sarah Kaufman a dumb bitch (though the actual term used was “diva”) for saying that a Strikeforce champion should not be on a Challengers card.
by mma_critic on Jul 24, 2010 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It is what it is. The writers need the hits, and the more inflammatory the piece, the more hits they’re going to get. Snowden’s last two articles combined probably produced more than a thousand comments (although in the Silva one, half the comments came from one person I think). This is nothing new. I was a pro wrestling fan for a long time, and alot of the wrestling sites thrived off of that sort of thing. You get a person to take a position contrary to popular opinion, but instead of coming off as engaging come off sounding dismissive and insulting, and watch the hits come streaming in. Actually analyzing the five pre-Cote ppvs that Anderson Silva headlined would be boring and tedious, its much more easy to throw out the race word and watch hits pour in by the hundreds.
In any event, this was a hell of an article. How the hell Frye didn’t tap to those leg locks I can never imagine….although this fight really wound up catching up to both guys.
snowden's been writing some money history pieces
he did a piece on jens pulver vs stephen palling that got zzzz’s in response. you guys bitch and bitch about what we write. but then you skip out on the quality stuff you say you want.
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Pretty much.
They actually like the controversy they just don’t know how to admit it.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Fuck no, I love Snowden's history pieces.
It’s when he posts the stuff about how Lesnar fails to impress right after UFC 116 that rubs me the wrong way. Or how fans collectively shrug their shoulders being put in the headline of the article breaking the Shields signing thing which overshadowed the actual news if him signing.
by Polyhedron on Jul 25, 2010 12:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know how you view “skipping out”. Page views? Comments? The history pieces he’s written (and that you’ve written) have been awesome. Have they received 400 comments? No, because “this is awesome, thank you for this” gets redundant after the first 30 times. Anyone who gives a shit about MMA loves those pieces, this I can guarantee. “Sarah Kaufman is a diva” might get more comments, but THIS kinda stuff is why people come to BE. Not hit pieces. You might make more money short-term off of the page views on his controversial articles, I don’t know…I don’t run a website. But I can tell you that your reputation is built on pieces like this, not pieces like that.
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by Tim Burke on Jul 25, 2010 4:50 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
So what will it be...
You can get with this, or you can get with that.
by Polyhedron on Jul 25, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like how you never once deny that the primary purpose of articles like the Silva one is to raise controversy. Its not necessarily a good or bad thing…it is what it is, and once more people begin to realize that I think the outrage over certain columns will die down. I’ve often been under the impression that Snowden, and to a lesser extent yourself, don’t even believe half the stuff thats put out there. I can just imagine the thought process “Well lets see….we just had UFC 116. It was a great event. Alot of people loved the main event. How can I capitalize on that? I know….I’ll take a giant sh!t all over the main event. Then we people call me out on it I’ll try a ’Can’t we all just get along?’ article. Imagine the hits!”
by joshyboy708 on Jul 25, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Don Frye is one stubborn dude.
Seriously, those heel hooks were nuts. The fact that he didn’t tap makes him both incredibly stubborn, and incredibly stupid. But holy crap, does that guy have balls.
To be fair, he never struck me as the intellectual type
But he’s one bad-ass motherf’er, that’s for sure.
by Horselover Fat on Jul 24, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Ken and Don's last great match
The repercussions from this match took a toll on both their careers. Ken’s chin got exposed and was getting knocked down by Tito . While Don Frye lost his footwork. Even though this match took place post pro-wrestling, it was epic and was a true superfight during this time period. Unfortunately, pro-wrestling got both these guys addicted to the either the juice or painkillers.
Whoever thought of them needs to be hit over the head with a sock full of quarters.
There's no depth to my shallowness.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 24, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
batteries.
When loading a sock, batteries are ideal…. I double up the socks, in case of leakage.
by Broke Lesnar on Jul 25, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Like I said in the Impact FC comments..
I credited Don Frye with the assist for Rizzo winning that fight.
by Polyhedron on Jul 24, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
How has no one posted this yet...
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I posted that here as a Fan Shot about a month ago and it was taken down within ten minutes.
That’s probably some of the funniest shit Don Frye has ever laid down, bar none.
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Totally...
its been posted on BE numerous times if I am not mistaken.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I had just ran across it last month, and thought it was funny. Posted it as a Fan Shot, and it was GONE in ten minutes. Didn’t ask about it, because it didn’t really matter to me.
I’m assuming it was taken down because it’s not very PC, to say the least. But then, nothing Don Frye does is PC. I’m suprised that whole “Dear Don” bit on the IFL shows even got approved for TV in the first place. He offended some minority group on there every episode. It was awesome!
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I met Don Frye a few SF events ago...I think it was the one where that famous Carano gif was made
And he was super nice. Talked with a whole group of fans for like 20 minutes during the night.
He was also a lot smaller than I thought he would be.
BOOSH
He was never a real big guy. In his physical prime in the UFC he was about 6’0 tall and 210 pounds. He gained about 20-30 pounds during his pro wrestling days before he made his come back to MMA in Pride, but he was still never a real big guy. He would have been a natural 205 pounder had they had weight classes back in the early days.
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Very true. He wouldn’t have been a very big 205 pounder at all, considering he essentially walked around at that weight. 185 wouldn’t have been out of the question at all.
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Which is funny...
because it brings the Dear Don stuff full circle:
Dear Don: Middleweight MMA Fighters
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
The only thing I think that should be added
are the rumors of performance enhancing drugs and the lack of drug testing, both back then and in Japan in general. A quote from Inoue from ESPN’s excellent piece, Pride and Glory, In our contracts there was a clause that specifically stated, “We do not test for steroids.” In other words, it was like a clause that you can do steroids.
There was talk for a long while (still is when the subject comes up) about roids, PEDs, painkillers, etc were rampant in PRIDE and a lot of people point to this fight as a good example. Holds like that are incredibly fucking painful, and Frye refused to tap even though he knew the damage that was being inflicted. It’s completely heresy and rumors and what not, and its one of those things where we say look at Barry Bonds’ head and say we KNOW he was cheating, but he never failed a test.
I’ll clarify that I’m not fighter bashing or anything of the sort. Frye is one of my favorite fighters ever and I listen to his call-in segment on Junkie’s radio show every Fryeday I can. Not a Shamrock fan (who really is these days?) but I certainly respect both of them even though I “know” they were on stuff like I “know” Bonds was on stuff.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 25, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
By no means is it scientific....
but if you look at Don’s build between his UFC days when he was still heavily involved in college wrestling and then jump to Pride and fight like this one. It pretty hard not to assume he was roiding, that a lot of them were.
Not to dump on any Pride guys, but the shit was deep and dirty with Pride.
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Frye put on all that weight using steroids while he was doing professional wrestling during the four years he was away from MMA.
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It’s ridiculous. I took a break from MMA for about 3 years right around the turn of the century. So when I came back, Frye’s new physique didn’t really bat any eyes. It wasn’t until I re-watched Ultimate Ultimate ’96 that I was blown away.
Don Frye is an old favorite. So is Ken. But Don has done a lot less to destroy fans’ goodwill over the past 5-10 years.
by Applejack McNeil on Jul 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Don Frye kind of reminds everyone of their Dad, or their favorite coach growing up.
Ken Shamrock reminds everyone of their crazy uncle at Thanksgiving.
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Nah
Don Frye is the crazy uncle that told you that he’s killed a man before and also claims to have fought off a band of Chupacabras with his bare hands while hunting a man in Mexico. Ken is the godparent that was cool as hell when you were a kid, but no longer has permission to be around since he left you in the K-Mart parking lot.
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“It’s amazing how one match can completely change the quality of both fighters lives.”
Makes me wonder which fight is the one that changed Chuck into Glass Joe from Punch Out.
It was the combination of Rampage 2 and Rashad.
Rampage shut his lights off like no one ever had before, and then Rashad came along and landed the cleanest, hardest shot I have ever seen landed in MMA.
That's probably the best answer.
But who caused the most damage?
I think it was Rampage 2. Losing to Rampage for the 2nd time AND by knockout, sucked up all of Liddell’s fighting spirit. There was a part of his brain after that fight that now takes over every time he gets hit hard. It says, “Hey, I’ll take it from here because you obviously don’t know what you’re doing… Lie down now, rest, and we’ll talk about this when you regain your senses.”
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