UFC vs K-1/DREAM: Maybe It's Not Such a Small World After All
Earlier this week, I laid out a pretty dramatic picture of war between two relatively well-financed players to control the burgeoning world MMA/combat sports market. Maybe I was too hasty.
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It remains to be seen exactly what UFC 120 is going to look like, but it appears as though the UFC will rely on a bevy of British fighters to anchor yet another UK card without a title fight. The UK has not hosted a title bout since January 2008 when BJ Penn defeated Joe Stevenson at UFC 80.
The UFC cannot afford to bring a title fight to the UK every time it visits, but it must be careful not to treat the market as an after-thought. The company has devoted a lot of time and money into developing the UK and it must continue to serve the fan base with appealing fights with beyond the likes of British fighters like Bisping and Hardy or UFC legends like Matt Hughes and Randy Couture.
I tend to sympathize with Zelaznik and the UFC in regards to scheduling and timing, because if a few fights go the other way, they're probably bringing two title fights to the UK in 2010. Just think about what could have happened had Bisping won at UFC 100, Hardy won at UFC 111, or the UFC had not suffered a host of injuries near the end of 2009 that put pressure on the company to re-establish some momentum in North America in 2010.
Yet, I also tend to think this entire situation exemplifies why rapid expansion is so difficult: the UFC has a limited number of resources and can't possibly give each market the attention it deserves. The fans in the UK want a title fight, but so do the fans in Canada, Germany, Australia, and every other place the UFC visits.
Not only are they not bringing title fights to the U.K., they haven't even been there so far this year after coming to Britain twice a year for the past couple of years.
UFC UK boss Marshall Zelaznik has a plan to rectify the situation, per ESPN:
"We're working towards bringing together a series of UK and European Fight Nights. My hope is that, come October, we'll be able to put some real heat on this. Talks are underway," he told ESPN.co.uk.
"My hope is that it will provide four to six guaranteed UFC events in the UK next year. We're hoping to hold one more European event [in addition to UFC 120] before the end of the year, and then we'll get these extra nights planned for next year.
"We'd like to come to Liverpool, Scotland, Newcastle, Birmingham, these places provide 10,000-seaters which will be great for Fight Nights."
For all of the big talk about an international world MMA war between UFC and FEG (parent of K-1 and DREAM), the reality is far less expansive. It took Zuffa four years to establish the UFC in the U.S. In three years they've established a beachhead in Britain but are struggling to consolidate their hold. They're still fighting an uphill battle with regulators in Canada. Australia is so far, so good, but such a small market, it's a "so what?" They appear to be headed back to Germany for a second event, but time will tell if that will prove to be a mistake or not as the backlash against MMA is building in that country.
So that's the Zuffa side of things. Not bad, but certainly not quite as swashbuckling as Dana "White would have fans believe.
Let's talk more about DREAM/K-1 in the full entry:
Zach Arnold pours even more cold water on the idea that FEG is doing anything but dying on the vine
In this case, with K-1's new deal with PUJI, it's hard to see how it will increase K-1's chances of running a show on the mainland. It has been everyone's dream -- from WWE to UFC to K-1 (who was first) to run in China, but it has not been allowed because the Government and politicians have said no to it. It's hard to believe that money from PUJI Capital will make things any more positive for shows on the mainland.
What it does open up is the opportunity to finance shows in Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia, and perhaps Australia. The end game for Kazuyoshi Ishii, the Godfather of K-1, is to have someone else promote shows throughout the world and then let K-1 collect the rights fees from the broadcasts in Japan. In other words, maintain the pipeline to the television system in Japan and keep everyone else out. It makes great sense. However, it makes less sense when you have to promote your own shows and put your own capital to rent out buildings in a market that is decaying, which Japan is right now.
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So, the easy solution is to find a money man to finance your shows and just cash in on the easy part. That's what K-1 thinks they have gotten here. In a sense, I understand it. Singapore's MMA scene is starting to grow via the casino world on ESPN STAR telecasts. Plus, Singapore has a big Indoor Stadium that could host a K-1/DREAM mixed event just fine. Hong Kong is also a natural fit to run shows and draw strong crowds with kickboxing audiences.
All of this sounds great, but here's what it indicates -- the money has dried up in Japan and that means the money has dried up on K-1 domestically.
And that's the cold, hard reality. As much as many American fans have been celebrating the death of Japanese MMA as some sort of victory for the UFC/America, what it really is is a big loss for MMA. For the better part of the last twenty years, the international MMA explosion has been gestated and birthed in Japan.
Japan is where proto-MMA evolved out of pro wrestling. Japan is where huge arenas were first filled with MMA fans. Japan is where international MMA legends like Rickson Gracie, Ken Shamrock, and Bas Rutten became stars in the 1990s. And when MMA was driven out of the U.S., Japan provided a critical safe-haven that allowed the sport to keep growing. Japan was where MMA experienced its first real boom in the 2000's, propelling Bob Sapp, Genki Sudo and others to levels of celebrity that would still be unbelievable for MMA fighters in the U.S. More importantly, those mega-spectacles financed a generation of great MMA featuring Sakuraba, Wanderlei Silva, Mirko Cro Cop, the Nogueiras and Fedor Emelianenko, et al.
While the U.S. market continues to grow, let's not forget that things can change very suddenly in the modern economy. Especially given our utterly irrational and shallow 24/7 media culture. We're one tragic accident or business disaster or embarrassing scandal from collapse at all times so the loss of Japan as a major MMA market is just that, a loss for anyone who loves MMA.
The UFC is very very smart to be thinking ahead and investing in international expansion. Let's just not fool ourselves into thinking it's anything but an uphill climb.
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A shortage of UFC events, and title fights. Time to bring in the WEC. Those are 4-6 more title fight events a year under the UFC banner, allowing Zuffa a deeper talent base to round out the shows it will need to put on as it continues expanding world wide.
by dpk875 on Jul 21, 2010 12:56 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Err...
Yeah, what he said
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Jul 21, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^^^^^
This, this, this, a million times this. A merger means more title fights that could be spread over more , more exciting fights in lower weight classes, and more fighters getting paid like the elite athletes they are (that is, enough to not have to have a second job to support themselves). We could still have a bunch of free shows every year as well. Zuffa is doing about 34 shows a year total right now, and 16 PPVs and 18 free shows a year sounds good to me.
I think a UFC/WEC merger could help with this problem
The opportunity to spread more title fights around in the UK and with more Japanese fighters in the lower weight classes might appeal to the Japanese market once DREAM dies.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Maybe it's for selfish reasons
But I really don’t want to see the WEC absorbed into the UFC. I think WEC events are easily the best cards, most entertaining cards in MMA. That’s something we’d lose if they because a part of the UFC proper.
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I used to agree with that but these guys are going to fight just as hard in the UFC and make those cards even better. Downfall would be no major WEC cards for free
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
yup
that’s an excellent point. The UFC champs won’t fight in the UK because it hurts their $$$, but would be a big step up for the WEC guys.
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Agreed...
Seven belts defended an average of 2.5 times a year means would mean 17.5 title fights.
It also give the UFC better justification for all of these events and probably better numbers across the board as events that feature a title fight tend to do better numbers.
The fact that current champions Cruz and Aldo are very entertaining and have star potential is all the more reason to make the transition right away. I know this won’t happen, but I would like to see it. Not to mention the increase in pay that the little guys will see.
As a UK fan im not to bothered about catching title fights here.
But it would be nice to see sum top class fighters. Cant say im impressed with Bisping Vs Akiyama as main event…
I dont understand the need to flood the card with brits either.
The only guy im interested in, is Hathaway, he looks a top prospect.
How insulting is it
to the UK that the UFC thinks they can just throw some UK guys on the card and everyone will come running?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Fairly insulting.
Alot of people i know here dont even rate Bisping.
Hardys a far better rated fighter over here and should be main event over Bisping imo.
but they will come running
I’d be astounded if that place isn’t a sell-out or close to it. Guaranteed to be a raucous venue regardless.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 21, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe it is because UK fans have been known to buy whatever the UFC is selling? After being force-fed Bisping(especially), Hardy and Daley simply because they were British, I don’t have a lot of sympathy for MMA fans in the UK.
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by MyFistYourFace on Jul 21, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it any different than anywhere else?
The UFC comes to NJ and you are guaranteed to have one of the Miller boys or Edgar and some new guys as well (Soto debuted at UFC 111) and maybe few NY guys. The UFC goes to Ohio and you were sure to have Franklin, Gurgel, Matt Brown, and few others from their camp. THe UFC does this everywhere they go but people get upset when it happens in the UK. The only real difference is the lack of a real main event that takes the attention away from it.
actually
I think it draws attention to it. Bisping/Akiyama should not be a ME on any # card, but it is on this one because he’s British.
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 21, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I mentioned this yesterday, I think they are now using the UK cards to showcase Brit fighters
Whether they like it or not, and put it on for free in the USA to whore out the big PPV event that’s airing the week after.
UFC 89, 105, and now 120 are Spike TV events that aired the week before a PPV. UFC 106 was supposed to be Lesnar vs. Carwin and now 121 is likely Brock vs. Cain. UFC 90 was Silva vs. Cote but that sorta bombed since Cote is not a draw.
If anyone remembers 105 I think they interviewed Tito before Ortiz/Griffin II during the broadcast. I think that’s basically what 120 is going to be, a big Lesnar/Cain shill with a few fights thrown in
The Dos Equis guy wishes he was Brock Lesnar.
The NFL tried something similar with the WLAF
For a while it worked but as fans learned more they realised what they were seeing wasn’t the cream of the crop and basically said “fuck this second rate shite” the UFC runs the risk of the same thing happening.
by MattParker117 on Jul 21, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wish there could be some way
Of making a true UFC Europe, with titles and everything, without watering down the UFC and making titles meaningless. I don’t think there is any way it could happen but it would be nice to put on shows over there that had some meaning to the folks in Europe. To me title fights are awesome but I mainly want to see good, compelling, exciting match ups.
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I think setting up those UFC gyms in Europe would help cultivate talent and draw a little more interest in the product. Of course couple that with a TUF season and you might have something, without setting up a completely different org.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Maybe
They could use the Grand Prix idea. I had originally thought it would be cool to do a GP style thing with 8-10 of the top fighters in each weight class and drag each one out over the course of a few months. Leave out the champ and the top 2 challengers so we are not holding the title up. The GP champ gets some money, the GP title, and a title shot at the champ. Also, receives a lot of hype and can be made in to a star if he already isn’t one. So maybe they could do something like that. A European GP per weight class but instead of getting a shot at the title it could be billed as a shot at a #1 contenders match or something.
"I will do nothing lightly. When I walk, I will walk heavily. When I fight, I will fight with conviction. When I speak, I will speak strongly. When I love, I will love with everything"
If they ran GP in the Bellator format and shipped the winners off to the big shows or even Kept a constant stream of TUF UK seasons (it doesn’t have to be aired in North America) they could import a lot more talent and a lot more names.
My thoughts exactly
It doesn’t have to be shown here. Put something out on anregular basis for them over there. Make stars and keep importing fighters when needed.
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by dedstrk316 on Jul 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What, one extra belt for each weight class? No thanks. Too many belts and you oversaturate things imo.
I have no problem with multiple belts by region as long as there is a clear hierarchy between them (ie … world title > euro title).
The problem with this is the UFC is not that large. There’s only about 35-45 people in each division. It’d be different if they had regional developmental leagues. Then regional belts would make sense. As it is it’d be really silly. The UFC divisions are to determine who the best in the world at each weight class is. Regional belts would be redundant at best and insulting at worst. Europe hasn’t produced any UFC World Champions that I can recall but they’ve produced some #1 Contenders. They don’t need a token belt at the top level, nor does any other region. Save that for regional promotions.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 21, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hinestly
I’d mark out all over this. I’d love it if they would do a real version of what the WWE tried to do when they bought out WCW and ECW. Or when they tried to brand smackdown as a different “league” than raw. That stuff was stupid. Have two different “leagues” and have these guys fight it out every once in a while. It will never happen because of money, talent depth, and over saturation of belts. The upside is they could make an artifical “promotion war” if you will. The natural rivalry is there that’s for sure.
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by dedstrk316 on Jul 21, 2010 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think the issue is title fights i think the issue is big names. 105 had one big name which was just enough to get people to still be excited over here but 120 has zero big names which means nobody is going to spend alot of money just to see hardy, even if we do like him.
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I’ve said this before and i’ll say it again, you don’t like that you’re getting a UFC card you have a choice to not go and support it. The idea that the UFC owes anything to UK fans when there are plenty of cities in the US that would love to host a card like UFC 120 is ridiculous.
The UFC has done a great job at not only bringing cards to the UK but making money on them. For people to turn around and act like the UFC isn’t delivering because they don’t bring a UFC 100 card to the UK is beyond delusional.
UFC 120 is going to be a hell of a show just like alot of other cards in the UK that haven’t been stacked have been. You either can support these cards and fighter and eventually get bigger names there or you can continue to bitch and moan and not get anything me personally i’m tired of the crying.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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For people to turn around and act like the UFC isn’t delivering because they don’t bring a UFC 100 card to the UK is beyond delusional.
Maybe I’m crazy, but I think there might be some kind of middle ground between a card like 100 and a card like 120, and that that’s what most folks have in mind.
No matter where this card was put on, people would complain about it, and rightfully so. It’s not like the tickets are going to cost less because the main event is Akiyama/Bisping instead of a title fight. U.K. fans have every reason to feel slighted when they turn out in droves for every show and the UFC turns around and tosses them the scraps.
No they don’t because this card could be held anywhere, the UK and it’s fans aren’t owed a damn thing when it comes to cards they are not special and need to get over themselves.
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