Kid Nate is Wrong: Dana White did do the right thing for MMA, but for the WRONG reasons
Earlier today, Kid Nate wrote a blog in response to criticisms of Dana White signing of Strikeforce Middleweight Champion Jake Shields. His contention is that this signing shows that Dana White is "committed to the sport of MMA". Whether or not White is committed is a question in and of itself for some people (not me), but it is my assertion that this signing is not indicative of that commitment. Instead, this signing is primariky "business as usual" for Dana White; one of a series of moves motivated by personal vendettas and grievances.
Don't be mistaken. Jake Shields is a phenomenal talent. He is a top 3 MW in a division lacking in challenges for the champion Anderson Silva with wins over Dan Henderson, "Mayhem" Miller, and Robbie Lawler with quality wins at his natural weightclass of 170, a division also lacking in challengers for champion Georges St. Pierre. The signing of Jake Shields IS a great move for the sport of MMA as he will provide some interesting matchups at two possible weightclasses. That said, the primary reasoning is not influenced by the sport side of the UFC and MMA in general.
"If Jake Shields could pull that off, that would be incredible, and good for him,"
"He's going to get paid because what's going to happen is we would love to take him from there, and I'm sure they'd love him to stick around."
"I will help drive that [expletive] number right up through the roof and let the Showtime boys pay him a lot of money so that Jake can stick it right up their ass."
The above quotes are a response to a reporter asking about Jake Shields coming to the UFC after the Henderson fight. Notice in the whole response, Dana says nothing about Shields as a fighter (in fact, I've never heard much of Dana's opinion of Shields as a fighter). His whole response is about how messed up an organization Strikeforce (and Showtime) is and how it would be good for Jake to win so he could stick it to Strikeforce and Showtime. He wasn't asked about the companies, he was asked about the fighter and the answer he came up with showed a vendetta. If you look at the 2nd quote, he blatantly says if he wins we would "love to take him from there", not we would love to sign him, "we would love to take". That use of verbiage shows the mentality behind the Jake Shields signing in Dana's mind.
Soon after Jake beats former UFC fighter Dan Henderson, Dana began to crow about signing Shields. He was more excited about this potential signing than he was years ago with undisputed number one heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko. It certainly wasn't because Shields is a better fighter. Not only could he stick it to Strikeforce (a competitor) and Showtime (a channel he hates), but in the eventuality that he signed Shields, he could rub his dominant victory over disgruntled UFC MW Dan Henderson in Henderson's face. Shields began appearing at all the UFC events in the crowd with Dana next to him smiling like a Cheshire cat for a well-placed photo-op. This was to, as Dana so eloquently put earlier, "drive that fucking number through the roof" as Strikeforce would feel that Shields was close to signing with the UFC and engage in a bidding war. However, that blew up in Dana's face as Strikeforce announced that they weren't signing Shields and stripped him of the Middleweight Title. Dana then signed Shields to a moderate amount of fanfare and ballyhoo. Though it is a great signing for the sport of MMA and getting all the top guys in one organization, I believe it was primarily motivated in the desire to "stick it" to Strikeforce.
I also disagreed with some of Kid Nate's other points.
Personally, I loved the Mayhem vs Shields match as a great grappling battle. It was just wildly inappropriate for prime time on CBS. On a UFC PPV, I think the fans could appreciate the skill and drama of two top grapplers battling, plus elbows are legal in the UFC and that will make Shields' game much more violent and entertaining.
That's unfortunate as the TV viewers diagreed with you. That match peaked in the 3rd round and about 100,000 fans changed the channel by the end of the fight.
I also disagreed with Zach Arnold's point about the New Jersey Devils' games being aired by ABC:
This is a real sport. As much as I'm sure ABC or other networks didn't want to air New Jersey Devil NHL games when they were the masters of the ‘neutral zone trap,' they aired the games because, hey, it's a sport.
This analogy is not analogous in two ways. First, ABC aired the games because they were playoff games and they HAD to air them as the Devils were in the playoffs. You can't pick and choose playoff games. In addition, most of their games were regional like football; so depending on where you lived, you saw a different hockey game. Second, Dana White has no obligation to a contracted fighter to put them on the "televised portion" of the show. Jon Fitch was relegated to the unaired portion one fight after losing to the champion. Yushin Okami was on a winning streak and was a prelim fighter. Former UFC champ Andrei Arlovski was demoted while winning. Recently Kendall Grove was removed for televised fights after saying comments about Spike. So they aren't obligated to air Shields' "boring" fights. If he puts on a snoozer with Kaupmann, he won't get a title shot.
It's also very important for the longer term growth of the UFC that they continue to market themselves as a sport. That's what will develop the serious fans and press coverage their MMA offerings will need to weather the inevitable downturns ahead.
The UFC is not in the pure sport business. It's not mainstream enough frankly. It's still a "niche" sport, just a very large one. Boxing isn't in the sport business either. It was, but it has fallen. Both the UFC and boxing are in the "entertaining sports" business. This is different than "sports entertainment", a term you've probably heard associated with the WWF and other pro wrestling shows. Sports entertainment is a show primarily based in entertainment that tries to (much less these days) present itself as a true sport. It's the opposite for entertaining sports. They are actual sports that thrive on drawing fans by being entertaining. NBA, MLB, NFL, PGA, WTA, etc can be "boring" and still draw based on the sport of the show. The UFC cannot. MMA as a pure sport (as well as BJJ, amatuer wrestling, etc) aren't in the public scope as much as the other sports. It will take a generation of MMA to enter into the public's lexicon like the other sports. That development is accelerated to more entertaining the sport is. PPV's filled with wrestler vs BJJ stalements while being interesting to the hardcore fans will kill viewships faster than anything outside of a live death.
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Don't be so scared
I would much, much, much rather lose some viewers than have the entire legitimacy of the sport questioned.
The NFL is established enough to change pass interference rules in order to promote more “fan friendly” styles of play. The UFC is not. If a “boring” fighter happens to “succeed” and “dominate” his way to “victory” over an “exciting” fighter, than it fucking sucks to be the exciting fighter.
Also, Dana wanted to sign Jake right after EXC died, but that was blocked when Coker acquired his contract. Dana White wants all of the best talent under one umbrella, and I don’t care if it’s because of something his dog did when he was seven – our desires, whatever they may be motivated by, coincide.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 20, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
UFC isn't "changing" rules, they are choosing to put exciting fights on TV
No one really made a peep when Okami was banished to the prelims. I didn’t hear anything when it was Fitch. Arlovski, etc. They are countless examples of GOOD fighters being placed on the prelims while Stephan Bonnar is on the main card.
And I agree that it doesn’t matter why he did it, just that it was done. The ends pretty much justify the means. My point don’t try and make it seem like he signed him only for the “good of the sport”.
I know he wanted Jake after EXC. How do what happened two years ago have to do with the current situation.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Because your making it sound like the UFC only wanted Jake Shields to spite Strikeforce.
Dana didnt get Shields just to “stick it” to Strikeforce. He’s wanted Shields since before Strikeforce became a bigger player in mma.
Now is Dana happy that he was able to take a Strikeforce champion and one of their best fighters? Yes but again it also deals with trying to get the best fighters in 1 organization.
You take Jake Shields and put in coming io from Bellator
with the same everything and Dana’s not nearly as motivated to sign him. Dana’s not parading him at UFC events, etc. Yes, Shields is a good fighter. I’ve never heard Dana in all the stuff he’s been asked about Shields talk about Shields’ skills. It’s always about in relation to Strikeforce. I’d wager he’s seen three or four Shields’ fights, if that. His PRIMARY motivation for making as big of a deal about this signing and his attempts at wooing him were to stick it to Strikeforce. I mean I couldn’t find anything about how Shields is a good fighter.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 7:03 AM EDT up reply actions
interesting take
surprised you’re not getting more response. have i lost my touch? is the kid nate hate dying out?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 20, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn't "blow up in Dana's face"
Actually the opposite. All of his woofing forced Coker’s hand, and Coker decided that he wasn’t going to be able to stick it to both Dana AND Jake, so he settled for Jake. And what did Dana get? The fighter he said he was going to get, cheaper and on his terms.
I do think Strikeforce blunted a lot of the potential buzz of the Shields signing by bowing out early, and Dana benefitted financially, but the hype train also got derailed by that peremptory move.
I disagree about the Miller-Shields fight. It was not an exciting grappling chess match; it was boring as shit, and I’d shoot myself before watching an evening filled with such “excitement”. The crowd reflected the audience at home; not happy about what they were watching.
Jake faces two tough opponents, and gets saved by the bell in the Miller fight, survives the chicken dance in round one against Hendo, and is then hailed by many (especially here) as the top challenger to GSP. I’m not convinced.
He is great on top, a top-notch wrestler for sure, he is a warrior, but let’s see what happens when he’s facing the the elite middle and welter weights in the UFC before we anoint him the next great fighter.
Dana's plan was to get SF to pay more for Jake Shields
By offering him a high amount and forcing Coker to match it. Coker figures that Dana is trying to engage in a bidding war and takes presumptive action by bowing out. So now not only does Shields not have much leverage but Dana is stuck to make a deal work. Not that he didn’t want to make a deal work, but just that now he has no choice.
That stuff about Miller/Shields was Kid Nate’s opinion. I agree with you. I was bored to tears. I don’t think Jake is as good as hyped, but he’s a fresh face in potentially two divisions that need it.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana wants Shields
he desperately needs new blood in the 170lb class to feed to GSP
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and if you guys can't appreciate a back and forth war on the ground
that almost ended with a rear naked choke but one guy gets saved by the bell…i don’t know what to tell you
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and obviously
that was a terrible match for most people. i’m not most people i’m BElite
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I can, the fans can't and didn't.
Outside of that late choke, it was a disappointing fight even to hardcores, so imagine the casual feelings.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I know this.
Shields is nothing more than fodder for GSP and maybe Anderson in a reverse Hendo way.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
“Dana is stuck to make a deal work. Not that he didn’t want to make a deal work, but just that now he has no choice.”
This is where your arguement goes haywire. Dana was under no obligation to offer Jake jack shit even after SF was signaling that they didn’t want him. Even before the SF exclusive negoitiating time period was over it was pretty clear that SF wasn’t interested. Dana is a submision grappling fan too and had his eye on Jake for a while. Furthermore, to take your proposal literally you have to believe that Dana did not consider the possibility that Jake could be wearing the belt next year. He knows that Jake could potentialy disrupt the GSP cash cow but he went ahead and brought him aboard. Dana is an ruthless control freak but this move was simply based on his desire to have the best talent working for him.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 21, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He actually was
I mean technically he could say no, but he had to sign a deal to save face. After all the shit he talked about trying to get Jake Shields and then to not get him, it would show that he didn’t have the best interest of the sport in mind and only wanted Shields to spite Strikeforce. The further repercussions of that is it undermines his credibility not only in the future but in looking back at his past ones with Fedor and Dan Henderson to name a few.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions
“Not that he didn’t want to make a deal work, but just that now he has no choice.”
Well, that’s the key right there. I believe he DID want the deal, and Coker just made the terms much easier for Dana by cutting Shields. Who else is Jake going to leverage against the UFC? KOTC?
And yeah, Kid Nate was WRONG about the Shields- Miller bout. Dead WRONG!
You’re right, that does feel good! Ha
Yeah but he's kind of backed into a corner
Both he and Shields. By them fraternizing on TV together they both HAVE to sign with each other. There would be blowback on Dana if he didn’t get Shields signed and Shields would have to crawl back to Coker if he couldnt’ sign with dana.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
The next question is what happens if Shields stinks it up and gets cut? Shields has the obvious problem but it would make Dana look like kind of an idiot in all this.
Jake won’t get as many chances as say the Dean of Mean. But I think he will do just enough to keep from getting cut. But the serious strikers and wrestlers at the top of the UFC WW division are going to chew him up bad.
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Shields will not get the title shot if he puts on a snoozer with Martin
If he wins after that in another snoozer, I still don’t see him getting a shot if there’s anybody who can get it above him. If he loses after Martin, I think he’s in danger of prelims.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
It is a win win for the UFC
1) As mentioned many times above, a fresh face and contender for both Welterweight and eventually Middleweight divisions
2) UFC got him cheaper than they expected because Strikeforce cut Shields and took away his leverage
3) UFC shows that it knows how to manage talent and Strikeforce doesn’t. It looks like Dana White was right about letting Henderson walk and gets back at Strikeforce by signing away one its champs and top fighters. It was a very public display why the UFC is the major leagues of MMA right now and Strikeforce isn’t even close.
1. I agree.
2. They got his “cheaper than they expected” because they expected a bidding war that they were going to jack up the price themselves. They weren’t going to overpay Shields. Nor did they underpay him with this contract. They didn’t get him for “the cheap”.
3. It doesn’t show that Dana was right about Hendo. Not at all. Hendo just got beat. If Hendo had signed, he would’ve been fighting for the title at UFC 112 when Vitor pulled out. The fact that Jake beat Hendo isn’t come great harbinger of Dana’s talent management. That’s like saying that Coker picking up Werdum after the UFC dropped him is an exampleo of Coker’s talent management because Werdum beat Fedor. That’s like saying that Coker picking up Nick Diaz is an example of his management skills.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
What happens in your hypothetical bidding war if the UFC offers Shields a contract at a high price to “drive up the price for Strikeforce,” and they don’t match it? Shields signs it and the UFC is paying him a lot more than he is now. They got Shields, and are paying him below what they could have been paying.
You keep stating as fact things like the UFC’s motivation when they are very much just your opinion. Just because you assert Dana never really wanted to sign a top 5 welterweight that held a middleweight title in his primary antagonist organization doesn’t make it so.
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You're missing the biggest point
This wasn’t primarily a business decision. Therefore if Dana has to pay Jake a little more than he would’ve, he wouldn’t have minded. Keep in mind, Dana is not going to offer Jake something he’s not willing to pay him. I’m positive the difference in the contracts would’ve been .00001% of the UFC’s revenue. He’s not going to offer Shields “Brock Lesnar” money. Shields isn’t even getting a piece of the PPV pie. If Jake is getting more than 100K to show and 100K to win, I’ll be shocked. The self-satisfaction Dana would get for sticking it to Strikeforce is priceless.
I’m not stating anything as fact. This is a fanpost and I am not a news reporter. I’m not writing on news, rather I’m writing about someone’s opinion of someone else’s opinion above news, therefore it’s obviously opinion. It’s bad writing (and repetitive0 to keep saying “I think” and “I believe” in something that is obviously an opinion piece. One assumes the audience is hip to that.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent post BL
"Deserve's got nothing to do with it." -Will Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition.
“You can’t pick and choose playoff games”.
The winner of Shields vs. Kampmann could be in line for a Welterweight title shot. Surely any match where the winner would likely be in line for a title shot should be aired on TV?
How so?
What has Shields done at WW in the past year? Just because he perfomed well at 185 doesn’t mean he will win at 170. Has Dana announced that the winner gets a title shot? MMA isn’t a pure sport, like I said earlier. Okami was inline for a MW title shot and fighting on the undercards. Fitch had just went 5 rounds with the champ adn was undercarded. ABC had a contract, they had to show those games. If ABC could only air a certain number of games in the whole playoff, I doubt they choose that boring Devils defense until they absolutely have to.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 21, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions

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