Alistair Overeem Wants Fabricio Werdum IF His Next Fight Is for Strikeforce
by Kid Nate on Jul 21, 2010 12:01 AM EDT
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Alistair Overeem spoke to The MMA Hour:
"Let's just say this, there's a couple of fights that I would like to have, and I'm going to start with the first one: the first one is going to definitely be Werdum -- he's the winner of that fight [against Fedor Emelianenko]. I'm sure, 100% sure, I'm going to beat him," Overeem said.
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"Second fight is the Fedor fight. He lost his last fight. Did he get caught? I don't know. Has he lost it? I don't know. But he's still one of the guys I would love to fight. I've been challenging him for a year, I was hoping that I was going to be the one to beat him, but now he's lost to Werdum. But still, I've been challenging him for a year, so I still want to fight him."And then the third choice would be the K-1 Finals, the last fight."
Ben Fowlkes points out the big problem with Alistair's wish list:
Here's where things get tricky: Overeem added that the next big Strikeforce show is expected to take place in October, which is around the same time as the start of the K-1 Grand Prix Final 16. So it's unlikely that he will be able to compete for both Strikeforce and K-1 in the same month.
"I have qualified for the final 16. I'm not entirely sure if I'm going to compete, but I would like to compete. K-1 is striking, I like it, it has a little bit different audience. It's very popular in Holland. So yeah, I want to become champion. I see myself as champion."
Overeem's sometime training partner UFC and PRIDE veteran and multi-time K-1 GP winner Semmy Schilt tells Michael David Smith he thinks Overeem is headed back to K-1:
"At the moment I am not training with Alistair," Schilt said. "I think it is a strange year for him. He wanted to fight Fedor Emelianenko for such a long time that I think he cannot focus so much (on MMA after Fabricio Werdum beat Fedor), so I think he will go for the K-1 World Grand Prix title this year."
It would be a huge loss for MMA if Overeem elects to focus on K-1 in the fall. But MMA's loss is kickboxing's gain.
Poor Scott Coker has his hands full herding cats. Here's another object lesson in the pitfalls of non-exclusive contracts.
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Herding Cats LOL
Couldn’t have said it better, and people wonder why one consistent organization is what some fans want to see happen asap
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 20, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Super Bowl commercial, right?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 20, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
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by eastcoastatlas on Jul 21, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
SF is really a sinking ship
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
They would be
If they were losing money but by all accounts financially at worst they’re breaking even.
"I thought I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury."
- Tank Abbot
on his decision loss to Dan Severn in 1995
its a matter of time
bad ratings, cbs maybe being out, and the lack of a #1 fighter in any weight class are really gonna hurt them
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Not really
They have only two fighters who make any significant chunk of change and that’s Dan Henderson and Fedor. Financially they keep things under control.
The only thing that would signify an end to the company, at least in it’s current form, would be being dropped by Showtime and there’s no indication that’s going to happen anytime soon.
They certainly make some poor decision, but this meme that they’re going to go out of business any day now is stupid.
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im not saying going outta business
as much as simply revert to what they were before 2009 and nearly revert to being a regional promotion, coker has things figured out enough to stop the whole promotion from crashing and burning
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
I wouldn't think they are going out of business
But they are going to have to change their business model. Trying to go after established free agents (that the UFC merely drives the price up on) is a losing proposition IMO.
They probably could make themselves the “go to” organization for up and comers I would think. They are the minor leagues and are going to continue to be the minor leagues—-need to plan for that.
Not afraid to nitpick
What loss does Overeem want to avenge more?
Werdum or Badr Hari? And which is more likely for him to even get matched up with?
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He can do both.
Jesus Christ we put a man on the moon, I think we can fly ‘Reem around a couple times in one month! *LET’S MAKE IT HAPPEN PEOPLE!*
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I doubt we’ll see Hari in the K-1 GP at all after his It’s Showtime antics and trouble with Johnny Law.
by Polyhedron on Jul 20, 2010 7:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
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by some schmuck in texas on Jul 20, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i want Overeem
to enter the WGP. pick 3 FTW
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by Thats It For you! on Jul 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT reply actions
Deja Vu?
Is this a sign that we may not see the Strikeforce Heavyweight champ fight in Strikefore again for another two years?
by Matthew DiRienzo on Jul 20, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
Whatever makes Megareem happy, as long as he isn’t whaling on heavily outmached MMA opponents.
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Good job finding a way to take a whack at a non-Brock heavyweight. I’m actually kind of impressed.
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I hope he fights in K-1 until Werdum is back at 100%. I hope he does well.
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Cool
So do I. I wouldn’t mind seeing him fight Fedor either really.
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Yes, but
Ubernoober’s comment that started this thread precludes that from happening…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 20, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Fedor jokes now.
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They help me cope :(
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 20, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As overrated as I believe Overeem to be, this is not the best of news.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Depends who you ask
I’m sure kickboxing fans will be thrilled.
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I’d rather watch him in K1. That’s potential 4 fights by the end of the year.
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by dancingChicken on Jul 21, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
For sure!
The K-1 WGP is one of the absolute highlights of the year for me, I’d much rather see the Reem in there than fighting in SF, if I had to choose between the two. The Werdum or Fedor fight can wait a month or a few I’m sure.. the K-1 WGP is only once a year, and I’d hate to not see him compete there after how great he’s been doing.
by Horselover Fat on Jul 21, 2010 8:43 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s very cool that Alistair wants Werdum and Fedor more than he wants to fight in the K-1 finals. I’m sure Werdum would fight him if he didn’t have that elbow work coming up.
I don’t see any way in hell that Vadim will let Fedor fight the demolition man right now. The best way Fedor keeps his earning power alive is by a nice convincing win over the man who just beat him.
In the mean time Alistair’s gonna show dem K-1 foos WASSSUP!
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Jul 20, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
I hope that Megareem does his K-1 thing and stays injury free until Werdum’s elbow heals.
I also think that SF should book Megareem vs Werdum as soon as they can to cut the legs out from under M-1. It’s a legit title fight, and it strengthens their hand.
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by Ubernoober on Jul 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That sounds like their best play. Then they could decide if they want to keep Fedor on ice to fight the winner (K-1 would probably insist on rematching Werdum) or make him fight Bigfoot if they need to use him.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 20, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
(make that M-1)
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 20, 2010 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I also think that SF should book Megareem vs Werdum as soon as they can to cut the legs out from under M-1. It’s a legit title fight, and it strengthens their hand.
Not only that, but its what the winner of the top contender fight between Fedor and Werdum was billed as anyway, was it not?
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 20, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s another abject lesson in the pitfalls of non-exclusive contracts.
Because having exclusive contracts and no fighters would be so much better. The sad part is I know you are aware that they couldn’t stay in business if they did that. But you still put it in your story like a 3 post newby.
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I don’t buy that they couldn’t stay in business. The fact that they can’t corral their heavyweight champion is the reason they are going down. They have their other fighters on contract, and yes they do cross-promote/trade fighters with DREAM sometimes, but they still control what they do. When they send someone to DREAM, they get a fighter of equal value in return for a fight. What do they get when Overeem leaves to do K-1 for 2 years and doesn’t honor his contract? If they could lock him into doing only MMA at least they could garner more attention to the HW division by having REAL title fights. Maybe if they took a look at their pay structure and lined it up more with their actual possible returns per card, they would be able to stick around longer.
by Steven Abbott on Jul 20, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think if they had the kind of money neccessary to throw at Alistair to have kept him exclusive they would have. The only reason they can pay Fedor is cause CBS/showitme are footing the bill.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 20, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
And who exactly would they have him fight during that time?
Or perhaps more accurately, who did they try to get him to fight that he declined?
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 20, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s true they didn’t have the quality fighters to match him with which brings me back to the lack of money to sign good HW’s. IF they were giving him 100k/100k the past 2 years do you really think he would be turning down fights? I dont think so.
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 21, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s not about him declining fights. If he is making it a priority to fight for other orgs and you’re allowing it, that’s a problem. I’m not taking a shot at him at all. If Strikeforce wanted to be a real top-tier org and have top guys like Overeem as their champ, they need credible opponents; I get that. That isn’t their model obviously. But they made an initial investment in him and should do what it takes to keep him there. That means making him obligated to stay and bringing in talent for him to fight.
by Steven Abbott on Jul 21, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Newby?
Really? Can we make that term a banable offense around here?
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by Hardy's in your face on Jul 20, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I just said this illustrates the pitfalls of co-promotion
I didn’t say that Coker made a mistake in attempting it.
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I wouldn't be 100% that I could beat Werdum if I was Overeem.
He did lose the first match.
Jiu Jitsu>Horsemeat
It's easy...
Let Overeem go fight in the WGP. He usually makes MMA look good with his performances there.
In the mean time, make Werdum/Fedor 2 happen. It is the fight both guys want and either Werdum proves it wasn’t a fluke, or Fedor redeems himself in a non title fight that ends his contract. This way you don’t have Fedor fighting for the belt in the last fight under the old contract.
Then, you have the winner (or loser???) fight Overeem for the title.
If Fedor-Werdum is the next fight for Fedor
I really think he retires (from the US at least) if he wins.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 21, 2010 12:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"I'm sure, 100% sure, I'm going to beat him."
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by DamnSevern on Jul 20, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
It's from an interview he did prior to Fedor fight
He actually said those exact words when talking about Overeem there. “cock guy, so much cock”
Obviously what he meant was “cocky”, but that’s not what he said. Pretty funny stuff :)
by Horselover Fat on Jul 21, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean
That Werdum plans to use the rubber guard against Overeem?
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 20, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is, probably, an abject lesson...
…but it is definitely an object lesson.
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by some schmuck in texas on Jul 20, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
This is almost to easy, I almost feel bad for Strikeforce. They lost any chance of a PPV and the only relevant fight outside of the UFC HW division in one fell swoop. Al Over will just have to fight K-1, Strikeforce doesnt have anyone in his league. Fedor isn’t getting in the cage with Al Over anytime soon. Strikeforce, as usual, are lrft with their dick in their hand, wondering where the hot girl went. Strikeforce is the Spinal Tap of MMA. They get lost backstage, the pods dont open, the set is too small and the drummer always dies. Scott Coker has to lay in bed wondering why he made the move.
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