K-1/DREAM vs UFC: The World Is Their Chess Board
Chris Nelson reported last Friday on the parent company of K-1 and DREAM getting a new partner, Chinese investment group Puji Capital, that will allow them to fund a major expansion into new markets in Asia and Europe. MMA Junkie spoke to Mike Kogan, Director of FEG USA:
"Imagine if Strikeforce received 12 million viewers (on CBS)," Kogan said. "(CBS executive) Les Moonves would be doing cartwheels all the way down into the cage. Nick Diaz and Nate Diaz could beat the [expletive] out of the whole crew; they could have melees every other day and nobody would give a [expletive]."But while those numbers are strong, the revenue that's generated from FEG's TV deals and event attendance are not enough to drive growth.
And without growth, the promotion fights an uphill battle in building stars who could convert some of those television watchers into pay-per-view customers. Kogan said that was an essential part of what kept PRIDE Fighting Championships afloat during the heydey of Japanese MMA - an average of 50,000 people bought the promotion's broadcasts before it was brought down in 2007 by a Yazuka scandal.
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Kogan said the UFC has done well to leverage its talent into a lucrative customer base, and DREAM needs to catch up. In other words, DREAM needs to get back into the pay-per-view business.
"The (Japanese) audience was brought up watching it for free on TBS and Fuji," he said. "Well, they're not a paying public. The UFC has a hardcore fanbase that's ready to lash out $50 for whatever the [expletive] they put on TV, with at least an average of 300,000 (pay-per-view) buys. So the UFC knows that they will receive at least $15 million dollars in revenue.
Dave Walsh commented:
To prove that Ishii is still influential in the K-1 universe, FEG wants to make K-1 a truly global organization, ala "FIFA." They are looking to have an actual "World Cup" of kickboxing, which if you remember, Kazuyoshi Ishii had mentioned a while back. Seeing as though they have made attempts at making K-1 global for a while now, we'll have to see how this works out. K-1 already holds tournaments in different parts of the world, but for now the main markets are in Asia and Europe. There is room for expansion in the entire Western hemisphere as well as Africa.
Let's be honest here, international expansion is a survival move that companies use when their domestic business is starting to encounter hardships. UFC is an example of rather poor international expansion and strong domestic business, but a company that has enough forward looking to understand that establishing these global markets early on will mean a seamless transition into an international focus if domestic numbers begin to slip. PUJI is a Chinese company, so expect to see more Chinese fighters in DREAM and K-1 and possibly a Chinese GP for K-1. This could mean more regional Grand Prix tournaments leading into qualifying Grand Prix tournaments. Think of the European GPs that had "tributary" tournaments leading up to it.
Ben Fowlkes spoke to Marshall Zelaznik, the UFC U.K. President and Managing Director of International Development:
How about the Asian markets? Japan has historically been a tough place for foreign promoters to get into, but is the UFC still working on eventually having an event there or somewhere else in Asia?
The Asian markets are a priority of ours. Certainly continental Europe remains in our crosshairs, and to the extent that we'll have a new territory next year, my sense is it will be in continental Europe. Asia is hot on our list. I'm probably dealing with three different potential locations for an Asian event, whether it's Japan, whether it's somewhere in China or Hong Kong - even Singapore comes up on the list. But in terms of when it will happen, I don't have a good sense, though next year it wouldn't surprise me if we were able to pull one of those off.
I don't know if you've seen it, but FEG recently partnered with a Shanghai-based investment bank and then announced that they were declaring war on the UFC and the WWE. How seriously do you take them as competitors in the Asian market?
We'd be foolish not to keep abreast of our competition elsewhere, but whenever we talk to any media - whether it's online, TV, or print - it's clear that they look to the UFC as the standard-bearer of the industry. I think it's our market and we'll do our best to continue to ensure that it's our market, doing what we think makes business sense.
It will be very interesting to see if Asia ends up being the front lines of a promotional war between the UFC and K-1/DREAM. The UFC has announced plans to open an office in China and launched a Chinese web site.
More in the full entry.
With the UFC coming from a position of strength the war is likely to be fought mostly in Asia, but should the UFC stumble or K-1/DREAM rapidly improve their position in Japan, then Europe could well be the battle ground.
FEG isn't the only player bringing in allies for the international expansion, Dave Meltzer reminds us that the UFC has brought in friends as well, although whether it was their cash or their connections that were needed remains ambiguous:
It was no secret that casino magnates Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta absorbed several years of losses running the UFC early in the last decade and looked to get out. But after hitting it big on television in 2005, the brothers seemingly never looked back, turning down offers to sell stock and ideas to cash in and take the company public. But on Jan. 11, company president Dana White announced that, after eight months of negotiations, the company had sold a 10 percent stake to Flash Entertainment, an arm of the Abu Dhabi government.
The purchase price was not revealed but was believed to be well in excess of $100 million. White claimed the sale made sense because it would enable the company to speed up its efforts at international expansion, although nothing has been announced in that regard directly related to the deal. Others noted the Fertitta brothers' other main business, Station Casino, was in bankruptcy and the family needed to put up significant cash to regain control, although Lorenzo Fertitta denied one had anything to do with the other. Currently, Zuffa is owned 41 percent each by Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, 10 percent by Flash and 9 percent by White.
Frankly I think it's a great thing that money will be poured into building MMA on the Asian mainland. China is rapidly becoming the economic center of the world and they have one of the world's great combat sports traditions. Competition does amazing things and I'm looking forward to a good clean fight in which the fans, and the sport, both win.
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Sounds like an international minor league almost
Which could be pretty cool.
With new partners Dream might be able to pony up more money to pull fighters from the UFC. I don’t like that.
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
it seems that the success of Zuffa is...
that their company is worth 101%…well that’s if this article is correct. If the Fertita Bros own 82%, Flash owns 10%, and Dana owns 9%. Maybe if investors feel that they own more of the company it is better for business.
But seriously, I think the UFC will be the first to get the asian market on PPV rather than FEG. I remember reading that aside from the Yakuza scandal, the Japanese audience were also taken back by the steroid scandal, which is both in K1 and Dream and in this case the UFC has the cleanest record.
Fertitas own 40.5% each. The article is misinformed. Originally it was 45/45/10, but each guy sold an even 10% of their stake to Flash Entertainment.
The thing about PPV in Asia though is that no one wants to do it. You can do it in the U.S., Canada, or Britain, but it just don’t work in most places. Yes, in North America what generally happens is you get a bunch of people to split the bill, or you go to a bar and watch it there. Aint gonna fly in most places. Or at the very least it’d have to be really cheap. Also they need more Japanese stars first before they really break into the Japanese market.
Rounding error.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 19, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
A “good clean fight” in China? You must be joking. Either Dana gets in good with the bastards that run the joint and rules the roost or he’s completely blackballed.
China is not exactly where people go for fair business competition.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
stop beating me to the punch in the comments here

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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 19, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Chris Nelson says that if we believe in this talk then we are marks.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
yeah
K-1 is a proven entity that’s still doing just fine. I bet they’ll be emphasizing it and using that to subsidize MMA. but we’ll see.
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Why do we not have a big kickboxing entity here in the states?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
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When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Jul 19, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good point.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 19, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
While it is a great plan
let’s see if they can actually carry it out and not end up getting corrupted like their predecessor “Pride”.
by Matthew DiRienzo on Jul 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
hmmm
I got my money on the UFC Just saying
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
I am sure many will complain that this is horrible because it means it won’t have only one promotion with a monopoly on all the talent (of course, that still might happen, but it is delayed for a couple of years while the cash for FEG is there). But if the money is actually there, I think this is a win/win for everyone:
- more options for fighters.
- competitive market means higher wages not just for stars but second and third tier fighters as well.
- more slots available on cards means more decent paydays for top level fighters.
- expanding markets by both FEG and Zuffa means more people introduced to the sport at a much faster rate than either one could do it, means more people fighting. More people fighting means more talent in the sport.
-more high level mma events to watch
- outside of North America, competition between Zuffa and FEG means more mma programming and cheaper prices for the consumers.
Of course, the numbers being thrown about (close to $300 million) is not an actual investment by Puji, It what they think they can raise, so who knows how realistic this plan actually is.
by John Nash on Jul 19, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I’m with all of this. I think the last sentence is important to point out because I get the feeling some people don’t realize this $200-$300 million isn’t a guaranteed amount of money that K-1/DREAM is getting. At least from what I have gathered reading things is they hope to raise that amount of investment money over 3 years.
So the problem I see with this plan is K-1/DREAM is going to have to show some growth and produce some good results within the first year if they have hopes of keeping the investment capital coming in. At least I can’t see them being able to continue raising the kind of money they are talking if no sustainable growth is being shown. At this point I’m not sure I have a lot of faith in K-1/DREAM to be able build that growth in a sustainable manner.
Just BE.
"-more high level mma events to watch"
I don’t think I will be buying too many more PPV’s which is the direction DREAM wants to take it.
The promotional wars will be the most intresting thing to come out of Asia since this thing:

The UFC is going to win this for the simple reason that they have their shit together. As the author of The Art of War, Sun Tsu stated:
He who has his shit together will rule all under heaven.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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Nice
Haven’t heard that quote in quite some time
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
That picture looks like a white guy high five
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
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Zuffa is owned 41 percent each by Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, 10 percent by Flash and 9 percent by White
Isn’t this 101%? Does Dana own 8 percent?
by Mystere213 on Jul 19, 2010 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rounding
would be my guess
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Talked about them trying to go to a PPV platform in a fanshot a couple of days ago. That’s what really stood out to me, the network deal just isn’t paying them enough but after giving the product away for free for so long they are going to have a hard time getting people to pay for it now. They may have a shot to do that with K-1 but I can’t imagine Dream being able to move to the PPV market in Japan.
I was thinking that too, but then most of their cards play in the late hours. Who is to say that they couldn’t take those late night broadcasts and instead put them on payperview and do better. Would 200,000 or 300,000 Japanese fans be willing to pay – lets say $35 instead of the $50 we pay- to watch it live when it won’t be on later that night? If they can get that many to do it, than its a start. It’s not UFC money by any means but that is still $5 or $6 mil in revenue. That’s got to be better than what they are doing with late night TV revenue.
And if they’re able to use their co-promotion with Strikeforce to build up some North American stars and awareness, they might be able to increase their sales here in the US dramatically.
I don’t see how they make Zuffa level money, but I think they could do better than they have been.
From what I understand, PPV just doesn’t have that kind of market base over there. If they pulled the late night recap, I don’t think it would push up buys appreciably. Certainly not to the point where it would be as profitable.
Just my mostly uninformed opinion though.
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You are correct. I think the mindset there is essentially that if you want something to be seen, you put it on TV. If there is an established base or its a niche product, then put it on PPV.
by destructivist on Jul 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If anything
since the events in Japan are on so late here, they should charge people in Japan and other Asian markets for PPV events and make those events free here in North American. It would give them revenue and expose their fighters to MMA fans here stateside
by Matthew DiRienzo on Jul 19, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this is a perfect opportunity for co-promotion
While co-promotion makes no sense for Zuffa, this is a prime example of where it would make perfect sense for Strikeforce/Dream to partner up on cards. Imagine if they agreed to run two co-promoted events:
- first event is a noon broadcast in Tokyo (they’ve done early broadcasts before, so it shouldn’t be so out of the ordinary). The card will be broadcast live on Showtime but on tape delay for TBS. Five fights are booked for co-promotion, with each promotion picking up the tab for those fighters
4-man HW tourney Brett Rogers (SF) vs Tim Sylvia (Dream), Andrei Arlovski (SF) vs Josh Barnett (Dream)
Robbie Lawler (SF) vs Karl Ammoussou (Dream)
Pat Militich (SF) vs Sakuruba (Dream)
Gilbert Melendez (SF) vs Shinya Aoki (Dream)
- second event is in the US, with each side putting up the purses for their respective fighters:
Bobby Lashley (SF) vs Satoshi Ishii (Dream)(I expect him to be in Dream shortly)
Kuzuo Musaki (SF) vs Melvin Manhoef (Dream)
Josh Thomson (SF) vs Crusher Kawajirii (Dream)
Alistair Overeem (SF) vs Dream HW tourney champ
Each side would cut down tremendously their payroll expenses while still fulfilling a TV broadcast and receiving the license fee. It would also be a great publicity coup (“Look at Strikeforce putting on this huge show from Japan”) Eventually Strikeforce could move to start trying to broadcasting Dream co-promoted events as payperview without having to worry about absorbing all the cost if it bombs or if the UFC counters it strongly. It would be a great way to test the waters.
If the UFC was willing to do co-promote
we would of seen Fedor v. Brock by now.
I'm waiting for a retired hockey enforcer to make the jump to strikeforce.
True
But financially it would have made no sense for them to do that.
technically
There was plenty of financial gain to go around, Dana doesn’t want anyone mucking up the brand or taking his money.
I'm waiting for a retired hockey enforcer to make the jump to strikeforce.
This Dana character
seems a bit uneducated about business. My business teacher says to be successful you should want people “mucking up your brand and taking your money.” I thought we all learned that in the first hour of business 101. Why is he so resistent to the normal business practices you’ve laid out?
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That dude is crazy, seriously
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
by donkeypunch on Jul 19, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
let them start
by giving their Dream Fighters more than 2 weeks notice before fights.
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Get that Puji Money
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 19, 2010 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Weren’t there rumblings a while ago that Strikeforce was partnering up with It’s Showtime to get MMA into Europe and Kickboxing into the US? I know it wasn’t long ago that Coker was talking up shows in other countries.
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no
they are too busy f*cking up their own organization to have time for anything else
"Players are gods, the stands are the pews, football is the new religion."
Yeah.
Rutz, the owner of Its Showtime was very serious about that, but Coker wanted ridiculous stuff like Badr Hari vs. Remy Bonjasky.
Remy refuses to fight Badr because the last time he did, he claimed that some of Badr’s criminal connections threatened his family.
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China is rapidly becoming the economic center of the world and they have one of the world’s great combat sports traditions. Competition does amazing things and I’m looking forward to a good clean fight in which the fans, and the sport, both win.
A good clean fight in China? ROFLMAO. What we think of as corruption is an integral part of Chinese culture going back thousands of years and penetrates all levels of their society. When crazy Russians have nightmares about people who are difficult to do business with, they dream of the Chinese. When Darth Vader does business with the Chinese he prays they don’t alter the deal any further. China is the absolute last place you’ll see a fair fight and depending on Chinese partners to keep my business afloat is the absolute last spot I’d want to be in.
he he
well my definition of a fair fight between carnies entails navigating the corruption. It isn’t just mainland China either. It’s Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, there are plenty of big markets and lots of local officials with independent fiefdoms.
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they can't be as bad as those crazy Russians
the UFC deals with the Chinese but not with the Russians, can’t be that bad.
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oh I dunno
I think the Chinese are far more opaque to outsiders than even the Russians.
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The Chinese are just smarter in their corruption. Successful communism is bred from strategic selfishness in the government vs. a take what you can get mentality. I don’t think China and Russia are comparable.
P.S. Been drinkin
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
we've seen how declaring war on the UFC goes

no reason to think this will be any different
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
by milk72 on Jul 19, 2010 8:05 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I love that picture. Look how happy he is!
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 19, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Those were all domestic.
FEG really doesn’t talk too much about their US plans yet, and for good reason. They know it is an uphill battle in the US for them.
Don’t expect them to try doing that again any time soon. Maybe some co-promotion with Strikeforce, but that is it. K-1 had initially planned on running 3 shows in the US this year and due to the market not picking up they scrapped those plans for this year (sadly).
Expect FEG to keep pushing forward the K-1 brand in Europe and Asia, where they are already strong. They already have footholds there, unlike UFC who just has the UK (don’t sell me the Germany line, ok?).
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Dave, isn’t this war more about K-1 and the UFC trying to cement themselves as the combat sport across the various regions of the globe? That K-1 wants to make sure that k-1 kickboxing is the sport and brand everyone follows in continental Europe and in the asian markets, and not Zuffa’s UF- err mma?
asia, europe, north america the battlefield doesnt matter to dana
the UFC is gonna win its that simple, unorganized and corrupt FEG cant compete with danas well oiled monster
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by smoogy2 on Jul 19, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
ROFL
ill rec the f outta this s.
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by MMArazorback on Jul 20, 2010 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
They have no US plans because they are avoiding the US market.
“This is a declaration of war against the WWE and UFC. From Asia, we will take the world,” Tanikawa stated.
Tanikawa admitted that expansion to American soil would be futile at this stage and under the watchful eye of K-1 creator Kazuyoshi Ishii, they will set their sights on the rest of the world.
“Mr. Ishii is completely supporting us. We won’t stand a chance in the American market so we will spread to the rest of the world.”
He’s gonna need a bigger tombstone. Wonder why he doesn’t have Pride on that thing.
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Because he's still making money from Pride
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
Wanderlei, Rampage and Shogun might be tombstones/trophies in themselves
When some wild-eyed, eight-foot-tall maniac grabs your neck, taps the back of your favorite head up against the barroom wall, and he looks you crooked in the eye and he asks you if ya paid your dues, you just stare that big sucker right back in the eye, and you remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." - Jack Burton
What fight? are you shitten me?…
FEG hired a fucken investment bank to raise capital. The fact that they had a press conference for that is more alarming than comforting. Bellator also has investment bankers working to get the next round of funding…
That organization that originally signed Bobby Lashley and some chick to a ""record" contract also had investment bankers looking to raise capital.
Let’s get real man. for fuck sake. Let’s get fuckin real.
Puji Money?
LETS MUTHERFUKER!!!!
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 19, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm expecting the new Japanese MMA movement to open a lot of doors.
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I'm waiting for a retired hockey enforcer to make the jump to strikeforce.
by Jimi D on Jul 19, 2010 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Scott Coker should take a page from the Bob Sapp school of negotiating with the Japanese.
Get your money, up front, or there’s no show!
He might be a perennial freak show headliner, but he’s a smart one.
Reguardless of what the FEG does
If it spreads the growth of MMA, I’m all for it.
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by MrTechnique420 on Jul 19, 2010 10:35 PM EDT reply actions
China
I think any global-minded company is forced to try to expand into China. But I doubt MMA will make any kind of splash there. It’s just that no one wants to be left out if there is any kind of boom.
FEG’s best move imo is taking whatever martial arts talent they can scoop throughout Asia and putting them into an mma cage/ring. Most of them get worked, but it’s a spectacle that goes back to the old days that people might want to see. It might also speed up MMA development and training in new places.
I see the UFC trying to force its brand on Asia and I don’t think Asia is quite ready for it yet.
Is anybody else familiar with the term "asian glow"?
a good swath of my friends are both asian and drinkers, and they give up the most hilarious tell when they’re drunk because their faces turn bright red. this is a fairly documented phenomenon, but i never know if people across the country are familiar with this.
anyway, i either call photo saturation or drunk “asian glow” on the second and third guys from the left.
I'm not Asian
but I actually have that. Had to quit drinking red wine entirely because my ears turn beet red.It’s got to do with missing an enzyme to process poisons.
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The UFC China Office
has not opened nor has a head been appointed.
Facts don't come with points of view.
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