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Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann in the Works: UFC Debut at 170

According to mmafighting.com:
Two sources close to the situation have told MMA Fighting that Shields will eventually make his first foray into the octagon against welterweight contender Martin Kampmann.
Jake Shields (25-4-1)
Win Dan Henderson - Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce
Win Jason Miller - Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce
Win Robbie Lawler - Submission (Guillotine Choke) Strikeforce
Win Paul Daley - Submission (Armbar) EliteXC
Win Nick Thompson - Submission (Guillotine Choke) EliteXC
Martin "Hitman" Kampmann (17-3)
Win Paulo Thiago - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 115
Win Jacob Volkmann - Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 108
Loss Paul Daley - TKO (Punches) UFC 103
Win Carlos Condit - Decision (Split) UFC FN 18
Win Alexandre Barros - TKO (Punches) UFC 93

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Not surprising at all. Should be a good fight as well.

by goodbadugly16 on Jul 17, 2010 12:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Dana looks old as fuck in that picture.

by sadface on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Bitter beer face!!

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by fedorade on Jul 17, 2010 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kampmann is good at many things and excellent at none of them.

Shields has great wrestling and sexy ‘american jiujitsu’. Kampmann has never fought a great wrestler. Shields has outdone guys with great takedown defense.

I take Shields by decision, sub, or cut (elbows, baby).

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by pdl on Jul 17, 2010 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Have to agree with you there...

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

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by Thats It For you! on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boom.

I’m torn. I fucking loved Kampmann before Nate waxed him, and I hold the Daley loss against him less because now he’s at the correct weight. He’s looked so good on the ground lately.

I’ll go out on a limb and take Kampmann by KO, but I’m willing to be persuaded.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Kampmann didn't look spectacular against Condit on the ground

and Condit is middling at best. His BJJ is too active without direction or setups, and Kampmann still had issues with it. A patient and calculated ground fighter with good submission defense like Shields should be able to make him pay. Especially when there isn’t a strength disadvantage.

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by pdl on Jul 17, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shields has to get it there first, and while I respect his wrestling, Kampmann’s stand up is between Jake and the ground. Martin seemed more focused on getting up than doing anything special on the ground.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like he could hold Alves and Fitch reliably as well.

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by Neil Manich on Jul 17, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Possibly Alves

Highly unlikely Fitch imo…

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

no way he can hold alves

GSP couldn’t hold him down. And Fitch’s wrestling is too good to be held down.

by chimps on Jul 17, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel compelled to note that I thought Kampmann won the Condit fight without any issues and that Daley looked like shit against Shields. I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say that Daley is the better striker – more one shot power, sure, but not a better kicker, and Kampmann pretty much said he let his temper get the best of him and fucked up something fierce.

I can see Kampmann a) maintaining distance to at least land one shot of consequence that, if it doesn’t KO Jake, will at least slow his roll, b) having at least a chance of escaping from the bottom (Dan Henderson is 39 – it’s possible that the wheels fell off after UFC 100, maybe even before), c) starting each round with enough damage/activity to steal what would otherwise be a positionally-scored round and/or d) escape Jake’s submission attempts.

Maybe I’m being a Kampmann mark, but the fight is at the very least competitive.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Daley certainly has more striking defense then Kampmann, whose face seems to work something like a black hole.

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by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like Kampmann, a lot,

But this is just a bad match-up for him IMO. Should be competitive for sure, at least on the surface, but I don’t think Kampmann can stop Shields’ take downs or get out from under him.

I look at Kampmann much as I do Roy Nelson or, to a lesser degree, Nate Marquardt – very good in all areas, but elite in none. Good recipe for beating the majority of the top-10 at any given time, but not good enough for a title.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  


 
I could see Kampmann doing something like this. Is Kampmann on top better than Shields when he is on his back?

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by Geno Mrosko on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Shields is very good off his back, or more precisely, very good at getting off his back. Unlike many BJJ guys, Jake’s bottom game is wrestling oriented rather than submission oriented. His goal when he’s on his back is to reverse, escape, or create a scramble that gives him the opportunity to work his top game. If Kampmann takes him down I see Jake sweeping him and then going to work from the top.

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

That is the one strength Shields has off his back, and I find it highly improbable that Kampmann could keep him there even if he managed to get him there (also highly improbable).

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Certainly competitive

But I still think Shields would and should be the favorite in a fight between the two. We know he can take a shot and likely won’t let the fight stay standing for very long anyway before taking it to the ground, and I’m not convinced that Kampmann’s ground game is good enough to keep stuffing the takedowns or pull something off against Shields while on his back.

by Hardcase on Jul 17, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

"Condit is Midling at best"

How dare you

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by donkeypunch on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Shields takes this

and I’ll base the reasoning on pdl’s comment above that Kampmann has never faced a great wrestler. He’s done well against bjj guys like Thales Leites and Paulo Thiago but that isn’t the same as Shields’ top control

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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 17, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

No shit! Kampmann is shitting his pants I bet.....

Hell, Jake beat Robbie and Hendo recently. That’s insane, then dropping to 170 to fight a upper-mid tier guy like Kampmann. Big big big fight for Martin.

by JimJoe on Jul 17, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kampmann has only ever lost when he’s been blitzed and just overwhelmed on his feet. Never knocked out, though. This is a very intriguing fight.

I’m inclined to think that Shields will take him down and smother him but Kampmann is savvy as hell with submissions. We could be looking at a fight like Kampmann had with Condit. Fuck, I don’t know who to pick.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jul 17, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree. Martin’s last fight really showed how well he can handle a BJJ player. While not every fighter is the same, I think he can hold his own against Jake. The problem is that Jake is so damned good at top control. Should be a fantastic fight.

by sadface on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Should be a great fight...

I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.

by Razreshat on Jul 17, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

this co-headlines Brock-Cain I bet

they are going to figure out how to make Jake Shields a huge star.

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by mason_beer on Jul 17, 2010 1:00 AM EDT reply actions  

As long as he gets some finishes and doesn’t have performances more along the lines of like what he had against Hendo or Monkey Miller he could be. Actually I gotta disagree a bit since I really don’t think a guy like Jake will ever be a “huge” star considering his personality and his fighting style, Anderson Silva’s been knocking guys out for years and even before the Maia/Leites/Cote trinity still was never too big of a draw. He could certainly make enough of a name for himself if he dominates enough people in a row starting with GSP.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great fight.

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by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Interested in seeing how Jake does with elbows

His positional control with elbows will be crazy.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

if he had elbows

he might have finished Hendo

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by mason_beer on Jul 17, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying

He’s essentially an American WW/MW version of Arona…with elbows that’s a scary scary dude (Mike Goldberg).

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think people also forget that at 170lbs Shields has also demonstrated a hell of a submission game.

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by Worldisart on Jul 17, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no doubt

I’m just saying his positional control is maaaaaaaybe only beaten at 170 by GSP and that’s a biiiiig maybe. You add elbows which I believe he’s never fought with and you have a scary Jake Shields.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Did elite xc allow elbows?

I cant even remember

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by II SMASH II on Jul 17, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe so

But I can’t remember at all…I’ve blocked out a lot of EliteXC

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbo vs Thompson was a barn burner!!!!

How could you ever forget that?

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by II SMASH II on Jul 17, 2010 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was there

It was awesome. I was yelling to Phil Baroni that he was the Best Eva!

They papered the hell outta the event. Was walking up to the Pru and was given a voucher for either: A. Free Top tier ticket or B. 1/2 off any other ticket. I bought $200 tickets for $100 then right before they went live they got on the PA and said “Since this is our first time on national TV, as a gift, we want everyone to move down.” I talked my way onto cage side and asked Big Black for a picture, he said hot chicks only, I called him an asshole and then moved to the other side of the cage.

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

They did.

Those co-promoted EliteXC/Strikeforce cards had elbows or no elbows depending on who was promoting which fight.

by rabrown on Jul 17, 2010 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I’d take GSP’s or Kos’ positional control all day over Shields.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Kos sure didn’t look to have all that good of control against Daley, certainly not better than Sheilds when he fought Paul, but then again who knows how much effort Kos was actually putting into it as opposed to just trying to get his points for a win.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I think Kos was just trying to do (and risk) as little as possible to get the W. One of the few big fights that even I will call a LnP…

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair

while Koshcheck was obviously looking to coast a little, Daley was able to get back onto his feet plenty of times in that fight and no matter how relaxed Koshcheck might have been the one thing he didn’t want was to be back standing with him.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake’s top control and mount are above anything Kos or GSP have to offer. The guy is an absolute beast on top, and doesn’t get the respect he deserves.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Jake’s top control and mount are above anything Kos or GSP have to offer. "

You can argue about Kos, but saying that about GSP hard to support. Jake has a long way to go before its fair to make any arguments placing him above GSP.

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by Razreshat on Jul 17, 2010 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think anyone is placing him above GSP as an overall fighter. They are just saying there is one aspect of the ground game where he is even more dominant than GSP. Jake’s top control is insanely difficult to escape from. Once he has guys down, they stay down. GSP is a lot better than Jake at a lot of things, but positional control is one area where I think Jake is slightly better.

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

GSP has great takedowns, best in the divison, but his positional control isn’t super excellent. Look at Thiago Alves, he got up 10 times in their fight. When Jake gets on top, it’s rare that anyone gets up at all till the bell rings.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

How many times were after the groin tear? I truly don’t recall, if anyone does.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

5 in the first 3 rounds before the injury.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is preposterously difficult to hold someone down who’s as powerful as Alves in side control and who’s merely looking to stand the fight back up, which is where Alves got up from a majority of the time; the other times he scrambled out were when GSP had his back. GSP had no trouble holding him down from his guard or in half guard from what I recall. He ran a grappling clinic on Alves, with a torn groin for about half the fight to boot.

Look at all of the trouble that Jacare had holding down Villasenor (sp?), who’s shown no indication that he’s nearly as powerful or agile as Alves. There are a million examples like this. I suppose you also think that Shields has better positional “control” than Jacare, and also BJ Penn, or at least that their top control isn’t “super excellent”. (Watch Penn’s second fight against Uno and his fight against Gomi. He kept getting superior positions only to give them up. He must not be that elite on top.)

If the GSP Alves fight had been a no gi grappling match, GSP would have won it 50 – 0 based on positional dominance. If all you mean by “positional control” is holding a guy down, then I agree; but that’s a pretty poor metric to assess how good of a grappler someone is and is not how dominance is assessed in any grappling art of which I’m aware, except perhaps for one — folkstyle wrestling where riding time earns you a point.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not really sure what you’re going on about here. My original statement was quite clear and I haven’t deviated from it. You can “suppose” and make assumptions about what I think about other fighters all you want, but it adds nothing to the conversation.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree pretty much on all counts

The point is that your standard for “top control” and mount isn’t meaningful based on the statement you made about GSP and Alves, hence all of the talk about its being a poor metric. It advances the conversation by pointing out that if we accept your standard we’d need to hold that Jacare’s and Penn’s top control and mount were similarly deficient. This seemed to be a logical consequence of your definition and a counter intuitive result. When faced with this sort of conclusion you could either amend your original statement or clarify it. You did neither. My reply is a common form of argument. It takes what you said and derives a supposed consequence of it. Simply asserting that you didn’t say that is obviously no reply at all. A good reply would distinguish the counter examples, I gave.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is there any connection to Penn and Jacare AT ALL? There’s none. Nada. Your reply took the conversation in a direction it was never intended. Hence, it’s faulty and doesn’t need defending.

The end.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 18, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top control "beast"?

I wouldn’t call him a beast. Watching Mayhem’s facial expressions of “WTF? He’s laying on me like my annoying little brother” while Jake “worked” from the top wasn’t an example of beastly control. More like being wrapped up by an anaconda. It was effective, but far from fearsome. Mayhem took worse from Nate’s left foot in the post Henderson scuffle…

by Dootch on Jul 17, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

At 170

Jake is a much better grappler, which is pretty amazing because he wasn’t bad at all at 185.

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by Worldisart on Jul 17, 2010 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

Jake was giving up size in that fight, and Mayhem is known for being extremely hard to keep down and has amazing defensive BJJ. Overall, Jake did an awesome job against him.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Aside from needing the bell to save him from getting choked out in the 2nd.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

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by vivero on Jul 17, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Jakes positional control is without peer in the WW division. Once Jake has you mounted, you don’t get up. Mayhem Miller is the only guy I have ever seen have any success escaping from Jake’s top control.

GSP & Kos have better takedowns and ground and pound, but Jake’s control is second to none.

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that he’s a beast and I know you think GSP is overrated, but I don’t see how you can be so sure his mount is above anything that GSP has to offer. He was mounted on Hendo (who looked as lithe as an octogenarian) for what seemed like 15 minutes in his last fight and didn’t come close to finishing. I’m not sure we have enough data to determine who has a better mount.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

given their respective skill-sets and track records, I first find it highly unlikely Shields could even take GSP down. Even if he does, no one in recent years has kept GSP on his back, I don’t think he will either.

On the other hand, no one has been able to consistently stop GSP’s takedowns, and there is certainly no reason to expect Shields will be able to. Moreover, Shields is nothing special at all of his back IMO, and there is little to no chance he extricates himself from that position against GSP.

If he had any striking, I could at least give him a puncher’s chance… Personally, I am hoping Shields beats Kampmann and whoever they set up next very decisively, so the hype can build and the odds aren’t so far out that it is hard to make money on it.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know for certain what Beer Monster was talking about, but I was ONLY talking about his positional control, not what he does once he has control. Jake’s control is better than GSP’s IMO, but GSP has him beat on takedowns, ground & pound, and all facets of the standup game. Even then, I think his control is only nominally better than GSP’s.

The only area where I see Shields having a definitive advantage over GSP is his BJJ. Jake’s got a wicked BJJ game and would not have made the same mistakes that GSP made versus Hardy. He’s not a flashy BJJ guy like Aoki, but he executes the fundamentals flawlessly.

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

The question had to do with positional control, and I was referring to that.

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by Tim Burke on Jul 17, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You add elbows which I believe he’s never fought with and you have a scary Jake Shields

EliteXC allowed elbows and so did ROTR if my memory serves correctly. I’m sure a number of the other small shows he has appeared on also allowed them.

Here is Jake finishing Charuto with elbows (something a prime Matt Hughes could not do).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6t4DcA27l0

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doh!

Linked the wrong video (previous link was the hype video for the fight).

Here is a proper link for the fight itself.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/1/Jake-Shields-vs-Renato-Verissimo-EliteXC-441977.html

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

hope his elbows hit harder than his punches

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by Thats It For you! on Jul 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

should be an intersting fight, i’m leaning towards Kampmann but it depends which version of his shows up.

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by Nightwhistler on Jul 17, 2010 1:02 AM EDT reply actions  

No confirmation...

Just chatted with Jake, who said he can’t say anything yet… but should have an announcement in a couple of days.

He did confirm the opponent is a top welterweight.

by Michael Hatamoto on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This match makes sense, so I have a feeling it’s going down.

by moonlapse88 on Jul 17, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Amazing fight, probably goin’ be a title eliminator.

Shields by RAZOR think decision.

by moonlapse88 on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Perfect

Winner fights Georges I would assume. And also I would assume the UFC is hoping on a Shields win.

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by Neil Manich on Jul 17, 2010 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

They may hope for it, but unlike Strikeforce, they don’t have to bank on a Shields win. I’m sure they’ll do just fine if Kampman takes it which is very realistic.

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by Worldisart on Jul 17, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sheilds will get 2 fights to get to GSP

this one (if he wins) and the winner of Alves-Fitch.

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by mason_beer on Jul 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Two seems like one too many

Why waste contenders when you have a dominating champion.

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by Neil Manich on Jul 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Alves is at least 2 more fights away from GSP

this is his first fight since the GSP loss. Fitch hasn’t been particularly dominating with only Paulo Thiago as his top win…he’s most likely 2 more fights out as well…

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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

i just want to see Shields fight Alves

and, yes, I think Alves will beat Fitch

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by mason_beer on Jul 17, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

and after I think Alves will beat Shields.

by av1o3 on Jul 17, 2010 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think Alves has a chance. Did you see him against GSP? He has no takedown defense whatsoever. Moreover, Alves hasn’t been in the Octagon in over a year and he is fighting one of the elite in the 170 pound division. Fitch by murder.

by Il Gladiatore on Jul 17, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll go with Fitch by UD, but not murder.

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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok..you are probably right. But you do have to admit, Fitch looked sharp in his last bout against Ben Saunders and should have finished him. But let me tell ya, if he starts KO’ing people he could be unstoppable.

by Il Gladiatore on Jul 17, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

He dominated Killa B. He needs to get his killer instinct back in my opinion. He is on a 7 fight decision streak (6-1) and is on the same path as Yushin Okami has been on and Gray Maynard is on now. Jon Fitch fights have now become my cue to re-fill my plate of food and go potty. Which is sad, because he is still very good and very dangerous.

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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

You’re assuming that the two aren’t equivalent. For Fitch UD = Murder:)

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair, Alves showed fairly decent TDD in other fights

notably against Hughes. I think it’s yet another case of GSP’s wrestling being so good it simply makes everyone else look like amateurs. Plus, when you have to worry about a guy’s standup and their takedowns it’s harder to do either. Alves won’t have to worry about the standup nearly as much with Fitch

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by Mattyjudo on Jul 17, 2010 5:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even though it was on short notice, still he did also keep it standing with Koshcheck too.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Remember before the GSP fight when there was so much talk about Alves’ TDD and wondering if GSP could get him down?

GSP’s combination of explosiveness & technique worked as well as they did against Alves in large part because of his feints.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

His lead inside leg kick

is amazing at stopping the takedown when Alves comes forward with strikes.

Stopped Kos in his tracks.

It didn’t work against GSP because GSP is a much higher level striker than most wrestlers who look to shoot on Strikers like Alves… GSP could stand until the opportunity came.

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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, at Alves not having TD defense because he got schooled by GSP. This is the same sort of sentiment behind the Mousasi sucks at wrestling because he got dominated in wrestling by a former multi-time US freestyle wrestling champ. GSP’s pure wrestling may not be all world but the synergy the rest of his game brings to his MMA wrestling is the best around. It’s far from a foregone conclusion that Fitch will be able to consistently take down Alves.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll only take this one, if he wins.

by moonlapse88 on Jul 17, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doubt it

its going to take more than one fight for him to gain recognition from the ufc fans who only watch the ufc. Also GSP v Koscheck won’t be for a while, im going to guess end of 2010 or early 2011 so theres plenty of time for another fight.

by av1o3 on Jul 17, 2010 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niiiiiice

I give shields a good shot now. His ability to keep position on Henderson was impressive

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by II SMASH II on Jul 17, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions  

Shields is a terrible match-up for Kampmann. Kampmann’s striking isn’t very powerful and I doubt he can get much going underneath Shields. Should be a fun fight nevertheless.

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by Sam Cupitt on Jul 17, 2010 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope Martin welcomes him to the Octagon, Condit-Style!

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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Extremely competitive fight. Shields won’t be able to ride out 15 minutes in top control against Kampmann, who is one of the most under rated grapplers in the division. This will be a life and death struggle on the mat.

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by Brian Mayes on Jul 17, 2010 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Shields is going to dominate

Worst Case Scenario: Lopsided UD.

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by Farthammer on Jul 17, 2010 2:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Agree,I will whacking a fair bit of money on a UD win for Shields here. That being said, given my atrocious record of MMA betting, Kampmann will end up winning by flying Omoplata or something.

by -Sam on Jul 17, 2010 3:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being Danish and all I'm rooting for kampmann

That being said, martin will have a tough time. His one hope is that extreme couture has imbedded a lot of wrestling technique over the years. No one has been able to hold martin down for ling but shields is a different animal from what martin has had to face. If he pulls it off, he’ll be a legit contender to GSP.

by Kim Hvid Johnsen on Jul 17, 2010 2:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I was hoping that he would get the winner of Alves/Fitch but this is good enough. After that match and with Kos in the mix, Kampmann is the next best choice.

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by exsanguinator on Jul 17, 2010 3:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Lol

That’s funny

by Kim Hvid Johnsen on Jul 17, 2010 4:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The anticipation for this fight will be overwhelming by then.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

New headliner for UFC 120?

If it gets signed, sealed and delivered in time, this could be the new headlining fight for UFC 120 in London.

Think about it: what better way to get Shields known to the UFC’s casual fanbase than putting him on a Spike show?

by VikingPhotography on Jul 17, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions  

Eh

A proven non-draw coming over from another promotion for the first time is gonna be the main event even for a glorified fight night card in London? I think it could make a good co-main, but I don’t think making it the headliner would be the thing to do.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

this would be the worst headliner ever (not including fight nights or finales)

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by The Omaplatapus on Jul 17, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Second worst

to what they have for London already…

by Dootch on Jul 17, 2010 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

You know what

if the UFC just stopped messing around and called this a Fight Night card like they already should’ve this wouldn’t be a problem, but for a numbered event this is just ridiculous. I’m not even talking about the card itself, but rather the reaction it generates from people just based on a certain level of expectation. If they were honest about it this wouldn’t be as big of a deal. Another thing that comes into play is how they keep basically screwing over their London crowds by consistently giving them lackluster cards like this, and just expecting a Michael Bisping appearance to make it all worthwhile for these people and then on the same turn expect to make some kind of major expasnion into the U.K. market.

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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

"expansion"

"But party on, party on, all night n*gga
I got these new rappers nervous, prom night n*gga
I’ve grown tired of these f*ckin’ grown man liars
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by Fake Emcee on Jul 17, 2010 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do people really get worked up over what tag follows the UFC letters for an event? If anybody decides to skip watching the London event because it’s titled “UFC 120: Bisping vs Akiyama” instead of “UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs Akiyama” then I honestly hope they don’t breed.

Bisping/Akiyama is about as relevant as the Mir/Nog rematch anyway, except that you won’t need to pay to watch it.

by rabrown on Jul 17, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

UFC 106: Ortiz vs Griffin 2

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by vivero on Jul 17, 2010 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sanchez v. Stevenson

Bisping v. Leben

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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

UFC 120: Bisping vs Akiyama

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by StevenGiles on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Fight

But if I were shields I would have angled for Condit since I’d say he’s a better match up for Shields than Kampmann; against the former, Shields would have been able to get and maintain top position with much less trouble than I suspect he will against Kampmann. Kampmann has superior striking but mildly inferior wrestling and grappling. I think it will be a good match.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:01 AM EDT reply actions  

He’s already beat Condit.

I see no reason for a rematch.

by Steve4192 on Jul 17, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I were risk averse and Jake Shields, I would see (or make up) a reason.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its just a safer fight for him, esp for his debut

I don’t expect Kampmann to beat him, but I wouldn’t be too, too shocked if it did happen.

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shields will easily beat any of the top UFC WW's.

I am not even a Shields fan, but I can’t disagree that his combination of submission-wrestling is unmatched. The guy just grinds people away on the mat.

I think Shields would do to Fitch what Fitch has been doing to people his entire career. Maintain top control and grind him out.

Shields is the real deal and the UFC ww have been put on notice.

He will destroy Kampmann.

by frizzkills on Jul 17, 2010 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Shields beat Fitch in a submission grappling match, but Fitch took Shields down. And unlike in a submission grappling match, where you need to pass to score from top position, Fitch can camp out in Shields guard, beat on him for three rounds and earn a UD. It’s pretty difficult to sweep a solid wrestler from your guard when he’s not trying to pass. Shields’ game off his back is unremarkable, although his top game is elite. I do not think, notwithstanding Shields’ victory over Hendo, that Shields will be able to outwrestle Fitch. I give Fitch a slight edge in striking.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but just imagine

If neither guy could take the other down. No way Shields tries to get Fitch down by pulling guard – he would be stuck there the rest of the round.

Now, we are left with a 3-round striking match between the 2 of them…and we think people complain now about these guys fights being lame…

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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol, Sherdog’s fora would explode from all of the hate spewed at those two.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss Paul Daley

The cheap shot was unforgivable, but he did a lot to spice up the UFC’s blandest division (speaking only of personalities, not talent).

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by Dave Strummer on Jul 17, 2010 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree, except for Hardy (who’s funny) and Kos, who you know you at least love to hate.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Kos keeps it lively

And Hardy’s trash talk is decent, but Daley’s really the total package and unlike Kos is an almost effortless heel. Plus, his fights are super-fun to watch — at least when he’s not being dominated by an elite wrestling type. Maybe I’ll buy that Impact FC card he’s on.

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by Dave Strummer on Jul 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Daley dominates outside the UFC and issues some sort of public apology, the UFC will let him back in, I predict.

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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I miss read the title..

and taught it was saying that they would fight at UFC 170. XD

by Fludbucket on Jul 17, 2010 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Jake Shields

by Brutality in round 1.

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by RolloTomasi on Jul 17, 2010 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Debut at UFC 170? That a long ways away still!!! ; )

by metaldome on Jul 18, 2010 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

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