Jake Shields vs. Martin Kampmann in the Works: UFC Debut at 170
by Nick Thomas on Jul 17, 2010 12:43 AM EDT
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Two sources close to the situation have told MMA Fighting that Shields will eventually make his first foray into the octagon against welterweight contender Martin Kampmann.
Jake Shields (25-4-1)
Win Dan Henderson - Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce
Win Jason Miller - Decision (Unanimous) Strikeforce
Win Robbie Lawler - Submission (Guillotine Choke) Strikeforce
Win Paul Daley - Submission (Armbar) EliteXC
Win Nick Thompson - Submission (Guillotine Choke) EliteXC
Martin "Hitman" Kampmann (17-3)
Win Paulo Thiago - Decision (Unanimous) UFC 115
Win Jacob Volkmann - Submission (Guillotine Choke) UFC 108
Loss Paul Daley - TKO (Punches) UFC 103
Win Carlos Condit - Decision (Split) UFC FN 18
Win Alexandre Barros - TKO (Punches) UFC 93
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please let it be the same night lesnar/cain fight!
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by mikeybear32 on Jul 17, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Dana looks old as fuck in that picture.
by sadface on Jul 17, 2010 12:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kampmann is good at many things and excellent at none of them.
Shields has great wrestling and sexy ‘american jiujitsu’. Kampmann has never fought a great wrestler. Shields has outdone guys with great takedown defense.
I take Shields by decision, sub, or cut (elbows, baby).
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Have to agree with you there...
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Thats It For you! on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Boom.
I’m torn. I fucking loved Kampmann before Nate waxed him, and I hold the Daley loss against him less because now he’s at the correct weight. He’s looked so good on the ground lately.
I’ll go out on a limb and take Kampmann by KO, but I’m willing to be persuaded.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 12:56 AM EDT reply actions
Kampmann didn't look spectacular against Condit on the ground
and Condit is middling at best. His BJJ is too active without direction or setups, and Kampmann still had issues with it. A patient and calculated ground fighter with good submission defense like Shields should be able to make him pay. Especially when there isn’t a strength disadvantage.
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Shields has to get it there first, and while I respect his wrestling, Kampmann’s stand up is between Jake and the ground. Martin seemed more focused on getting up than doing anything special on the ground.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
What can Kampmann do standing
that Daley didn’t? And while I’d certainly hate to rely on MMA math, it’s quite clear that Daley is the better striker of the two. Not to mention that Kampmann really doesn’t have one strike KO power… and certainly less power than the Hendo right hand. I just don’t see striking being a huge impediment.
A determined Shields will get and takedown and hold all but Fitch, GSP, Koscheck, and Alves down reliably. What makes you think that Kampmann, who hasn’t faced a wrestler better than Jacob Volkman, can prevent Shields from imposing his gameplan?
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by pdl on Jul 17, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I feel like he could hold Alves and Fitch reliably as well.
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Possibly Alves
Highly unlikely Fitch imo…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions
no way he can hold alves
GSP couldn’t hold him down. And Fitch’s wrestling is too good to be held down.
I was going to go with Shields because of the fact he's a good looking guy and I hadn't hear anything about Martin being much of a family man
But your breakdown was better, so I’ll cite that as the reason for my choice.
I feel compelled to note that I thought Kampmann won the Condit fight without any issues and that Daley looked like shit against Shields. I don’t think it’s particularly fair to say that Daley is the better striker – more one shot power, sure, but not a better kicker, and Kampmann pretty much said he let his temper get the best of him and fucked up something fierce.
I can see Kampmann a) maintaining distance to at least land one shot of consequence that, if it doesn’t KO Jake, will at least slow his roll, b) having at least a chance of escaping from the bottom (Dan Henderson is 39 – it’s possible that the wheels fell off after UFC 100, maybe even before), c) starting each round with enough damage/activity to steal what would otherwise be a positionally-scored round and/or d) escape Jake’s submission attempts.
Maybe I’m being a Kampmann mark, but the fight is at the very least competitive.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Daley certainly has more striking defense then Kampmann, whose face seems to work something like a black hole.
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by Rundownloser on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Kampmann, a lot,
But this is just a bad match-up for him IMO. Should be competitive for sure, at least on the surface, but I don’t think Kampmann can stop Shields’ take downs or get out from under him.
I look at Kampmann much as I do Roy Nelson or, to a lesser degree, Nate Marquardt – very good in all areas, but elite in none. Good recipe for beating the majority of the top-10 at any given time, but not good enough for a title.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I could see Kampmann doing something like this. Is Kampmann on top better than Shields when he is on his back?
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Shields is very good off his back, or more precisely, very good at getting off his back. Unlike many BJJ guys, Jake’s bottom game is wrestling oriented rather than submission oriented. His goal when he’s on his back is to reverse, escape, or create a scramble that gives him the opportunity to work his top game. If Kampmann takes him down I see Jake sweeping him and then going to work from the top.
Agreed
That is the one strength Shields has off his back, and I find it highly improbable that Kampmann could keep him there even if he managed to get him there (also highly improbable).
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Certainly competitive
But I still think Shields would and should be the favorite in a fight between the two. We know he can take a shot and likely won’t let the fight stay standing for very long anyway before taking it to the ground, and I’m not convinced that Kampmann’s ground game is good enough to keep stuffing the takedowns or pull something off against Shields while on his back.
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I think Shields takes this
and I’ll base the reasoning on pdl’s comment above that Kampmann has never faced a great wrestler. He’s done well against bjj guys like Thales Leites and Paulo Thiago but that isn’t the same as Shields’ top control
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by Cory Braiterman on Jul 17, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Shield's last 5 wins are pretty impressive.
by J_Maddux on Jul 17, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
No shit! Kampmann is shitting his pants I bet.....
Hell, Jake beat Robbie and Hendo recently. That’s insane, then dropping to 170 to fight a upper-mid tier guy like Kampmann. Big big big fight for Martin.
Kampmann has only ever lost when he’s been blitzed and just overwhelmed on his feet. Never knocked out, though. This is a very intriguing fight.
I’m inclined to think that Shields will take him down and smother him but Kampmann is savvy as hell with submissions. We could be looking at a fight like Kampmann had with Condit. Fuck, I don’t know who to pick.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I agree. Martin’s last fight really showed how well he can handle a BJJ player. While not every fighter is the same, I think he can hold his own against Jake. The problem is that Jake is so damned good at top control. Should be a fantastic fight.
by sadface on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Should be a great fight...
I like Fedor, it’s just his fans that are intolerable...and his management.
this co-headlines Brock-Cain I bet
they are going to figure out how to make Jake Shields a huge star.
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As long as he gets some finishes and doesn’t have performances more along the lines of like what he had against Hendo or Monkey Miller he could be. Actually I gotta disagree a bit since I really don’t think a guy like Jake will ever be a “huge” star considering his personality and his fighting style, Anderson Silva’s been knocking guys out for years and even before the Maia/Leites/Cote trinity still was never too big of a draw. He could certainly make enough of a name for himself if he dominates enough people in a row starting with GSP.
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if he had elbows
he might have finished Hendo
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That's what I'm saying
He’s essentially an American WW/MW version of Arona…with elbows that’s a scary scary dude (Mike Goldberg).
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I think people also forget that at 170lbs Shields has also demonstrated a hell of a submission game.
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Oh no doubt
I’m just saying his positional control is maaaaaaaybe only beaten at 170 by GSP and that’s a biiiiig maybe. You add elbows which I believe he’s never fought with and you have a scary Jake Shields.
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't believe so
But I can’t remember at all…I’ve blocked out a lot of EliteXC
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo vs Thompson was a barn burner!!!!
How could you ever forget that?
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I’d take GSP’s or Kos’ positional control all day over Shields.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Kos sure didn’t look to have all that good of control against Daley, certainly not better than Sheilds when he fought Paul, but then again who knows how much effort Kos was actually putting into it as opposed to just trying to get his points for a win.
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Exactly
I think Kos was just trying to do (and risk) as little as possible to get the W. One of the few big fights that even I will call a LnP…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
while Koshcheck was obviously looking to coast a little, Daley was able to get back onto his feet plenty of times in that fight and no matter how relaxed Koshcheck might have been the one thing he didn’t want was to be back standing with him.
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Jake’s top control and mount are above anything Kos or GSP have to offer. The guy is an absolute beast on top, and doesn’t get the respect he deserves.
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"Jake’s top control and mount are above anything Kos or GSP have to offer. "
You can argue about Kos, but saying that about GSP hard to support. Jake has a long way to go before its fair to make any arguments placing him above GSP.
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I don’t think anyone is placing him above GSP as an overall fighter. They are just saying there is one aspect of the ground game where he is even more dominant than GSP. Jake’s top control is insanely difficult to escape from. Once he has guys down, they stay down. GSP is a lot better than Jake at a lot of things, but positional control is one area where I think Jake is slightly better.
GSP has great takedowns, best in the divison, but his positional control isn’t super excellent. Look at Thiago Alves, he got up 10 times in their fight. When Jake gets on top, it’s rare that anyone gets up at all till the bell rings.
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How many times were after the groin tear? I truly don’t recall, if anyone does.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
It is preposterously difficult to hold someone down who’s as powerful as Alves in side control and who’s merely looking to stand the fight back up, which is where Alves got up from a majority of the time; the other times he scrambled out were when GSP had his back. GSP had no trouble holding him down from his guard or in half guard from what I recall. He ran a grappling clinic on Alves, with a torn groin for about half the fight to boot.
Look at all of the trouble that Jacare had holding down Villasenor (sp?), who’s shown no indication that he’s nearly as powerful or agile as Alves. There are a million examples like this. I suppose you also think that Shields has better positional “control” than Jacare, and also BJ Penn, or at least that their top control isn’t “super excellent”. (Watch Penn’s second fight against Uno and his fight against Gomi. He kept getting superior positions only to give them up. He must not be that elite on top.)
If the GSP Alves fight had been a no gi grappling match, GSP would have won it 50 – 0 based on positional dominance. If all you mean by “positional control” is holding a guy down, then I agree; but that’s a pretty poor metric to assess how good of a grappler someone is and is not how dominance is assessed in any grappling art of which I’m aware, except perhaps for one — folkstyle wrestling where riding time earns you a point.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not really sure what you’re going on about here. My original statement was quite clear and I haven’t deviated from it. You can “suppose” and make assumptions about what I think about other fighters all you want, but it adds nothing to the conversation.
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I disagree pretty much on all counts
The point is that your standard for “top control” and mount isn’t meaningful based on the statement you made about GSP and Alves, hence all of the talk about its being a poor metric. It advances the conversation by pointing out that if we accept your standard we’d need to hold that Jacare’s and Penn’s top control and mount were similarly deficient. This seemed to be a logical consequence of your definition and a counter intuitive result. When faced with this sort of conclusion you could either amend your original statement or clarify it. You did neither. My reply is a common form of argument. It takes what you said and derives a supposed consequence of it. Simply asserting that you didn’t say that is obviously no reply at all. A good reply would distinguish the counter examples, I gave.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Top control "beast"?
I wouldn’t call him a beast. Watching Mayhem’s facial expressions of “WTF? He’s laying on me like my annoying little brother” while Jake “worked” from the top wasn’t an example of beastly control. More like being wrapped up by an anaconda. It was effective, but far from fearsome. Mayhem took worse from Nate’s left foot in the post Henderson scuffle…
At 170
Jake is a much better grappler, which is pretty amazing because he wasn’t bad at all at 185.
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This
Jake was giving up size in that fight, and Mayhem is known for being extremely hard to keep down and has amazing defensive BJJ. Overall, Jake did an awesome job against him.
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Well
Aside from needing the bell to save him from getting choked out in the 2nd.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 17, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree.
Jakes positional control is without peer in the WW division. Once Jake has you mounted, you don’t get up. Mayhem Miller is the only guy I have ever seen have any success escaping from Jake’s top control.
GSP & Kos have better takedowns and ground and pound, but Jake’s control is second to none.
I agree that he’s a beast and I know you think GSP is overrated, but I don’t see how you can be so sure his mount is above anything that GSP has to offer. He was mounted on Hendo (who looked as lithe as an octogenarian) for what seemed like 15 minutes in his last fight and didn’t come close to finishing. I’m not sure we have enough data to determine who has a better mount.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
given their respective skill-sets and track records, I first find it highly unlikely Shields could even take GSP down. Even if he does, no one in recent years has kept GSP on his back, I don’t think he will either.
On the other hand, no one has been able to consistently stop GSP’s takedowns, and there is certainly no reason to expect Shields will be able to. Moreover, Shields is nothing special at all of his back IMO, and there is little to no chance he extricates himself from that position against GSP.
If he had any striking, I could at least give him a puncher’s chance… Personally, I am hoping Shields beats Kampmann and whoever they set up next very decisively, so the hype can build and the odds aren’t so far out that it is hard to make money on it.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know for certain what Beer Monster was talking about, but I was ONLY talking about his positional control, not what he does once he has control. Jake’s control is better than GSP’s IMO, but GSP has him beat on takedowns, ground & pound, and all facets of the standup game. Even then, I think his control is only nominally better than GSP’s.
The only area where I see Shields having a definitive advantage over GSP is his BJJ. Jake’s got a wicked BJJ game and would not have made the same mistakes that GSP made versus Hardy. He’s not a flashy BJJ guy like Aoki, but he executes the fundamentals flawlessly.
You add elbows which I believe he’s never fought with and you have a scary Jake Shields
EliteXC allowed elbows and so did ROTR if my memory serves correctly. I’m sure a number of the other small shows he has appeared on also allowed them.
Here is Jake finishing Charuto with elbows (something a prime Matt Hughes could not do).
Doh!
Linked the wrong video (previous link was the hype video for the fight).
Here is a proper link for the fight itself.
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by Thats It For you! on Jul 17, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No confirmation...
Just chatted with Jake, who said he can’t say anything yet… but should have an announcement in a couple of days.
He did confirm the opponent is a top welterweight.
by Michael Hatamoto on Jul 17, 2010 1:04 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Perfect
Winner fights Georges I would assume. And also I would assume the UFC is hoping on a Shields win.
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Sheilds will get 2 fights to get to GSP
this one (if he wins) and the winner of Alves-Fitch.
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Two seems like one too many
Why waste contenders when you have a dominating champion.
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Alves is at least 2 more fights away from GSP
this is his first fight since the GSP loss. Fitch hasn’t been particularly dominating with only Paulo Thiago as his top win…he’s most likely 2 more fights out as well…
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by Matthew Roth on Jul 17, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i just want to see Shields fight Alves
and, yes, I think Alves will beat Fitch
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I don’t think Alves has a chance. Did you see him against GSP? He has no takedown defense whatsoever. Moreover, Alves hasn’t been in the Octagon in over a year and he is fighting one of the elite in the 170 pound division. Fitch by murder.
by Il Gladiatore on Jul 17, 2010 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I’ll go with Fitch by UD, but not murder.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok..you are probably right. But you do have to admit, Fitch looked sharp in his last bout against Ben Saunders and should have finished him. But let me tell ya, if he starts KO’ing people he could be unstoppable.
by Il Gladiatore on Jul 17, 2010 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions
He dominated Killa B. He needs to get his killer instinct back in my opinion. He is on a 7 fight decision streak (6-1) and is on the same path as Yushin Okami has been on and Gray Maynard is on now. Jon Fitch fights have now become my cue to re-fill my plate of food and go potty. Which is sad, because he is still very good and very dangerous.
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by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 4:55 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re assuming that the two aren’t equivalent. For Fitch UD = Murder:)
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, Alves showed fairly decent TDD in other fights
notably against Hughes. I think it’s yet another case of GSP’s wrestling being so good it simply makes everyone else look like amateurs. Plus, when you have to worry about a guy’s standup and their takedowns it’s harder to do either. Alves won’t have to worry about the standup nearly as much with Fitch
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Agreed
Remember before the GSP fight when there was so much talk about Alves’ TDD and wondering if GSP could get him down?
GSP’s combination of explosiveness & technique worked as well as they did against Alves in large part because of his feints.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 10:49 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
His lead inside leg kick
is amazing at stopping the takedown when Alves comes forward with strikes.
Stopped Kos in his tracks.
It didn’t work against GSP because GSP is a much higher level striker than most wrestlers who look to shoot on Strikers like Alves… GSP could stand until the opportunity came.
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by Well Read Idiot on Jul 17, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol, at Alves not having TD defense because he got schooled by GSP. This is the same sort of sentiment behind the Mousasi sucks at wrestling because he got dominated in wrestling by a former multi-time US freestyle wrestling champ. GSP’s pure wrestling may not be all world but the synergy the rest of his game brings to his MMA wrestling is the best around. It’s far from a foregone conclusion that Fitch will be able to consistently take down Alves.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it
its going to take more than one fight for him to gain recognition from the ufc fans who only watch the ufc. Also GSP v Koscheck won’t be for a while, im going to guess end of 2010 or early 2011 so theres plenty of time for another fight.
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I give shields a good shot now. His ability to keep position on Henderson was impressive
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Shields is a terrible match-up for Kampmann. Kampmann’s striking isn’t very powerful and I doubt he can get much going underneath Shields. Should be a fun fight nevertheless.
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I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
Being Danish and all I'm rooting for kampmann
That being said, martin will have a tough time. His one hope is that extreme couture has imbedded a lot of wrestling technique over the years. No one has been able to hold martin down for ling but shields is a different animal from what martin has had to face. If he pulls it off, he’ll be a legit contender to GSP.
by Kim Hvid Johnsen on Jul 17, 2010 2:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
if this happens at ufc 121 i will scream like a twilight fan at jacob or edward
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WTF!? Shields will debut at UFC 170!?
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GO Armageddon!!!
by boxingmouse on Jul 17, 2010 4:38 AM EDT reply actions 5 recs
The anticipation for this fight will be overwhelming by then.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
New headliner for UFC 120?
If it gets signed, sealed and delivered in time, this could be the new headlining fight for UFC 120 in London.
Think about it: what better way to get Shields known to the UFC’s casual fanbase than putting him on a Spike show?
by VikingPhotography on Jul 17, 2010 8:00 AM EDT reply actions
Eh
A proven non-draw coming over from another promotion for the first time is gonna be the main event even for a glorified fight night card in London? I think it could make a good co-main, but I don’t think making it the headliner would be the thing to do.
"But party on, party on, all night n*gga
I got these new rappers nervous, prom night n*gga
I’ve grown tired of these f*ckin’ grown man liars
Storytellers, they ain’t even need a campfire"
this would be the worst headliner ever (not including fight nights or finales)
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by The Omaplatapus on Jul 17, 2010 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You know what
if the UFC just stopped messing around and called this a Fight Night card like they already should’ve this wouldn’t be a problem, but for a numbered event this is just ridiculous. I’m not even talking about the card itself, but rather the reaction it generates from people just based on a certain level of expectation. If they were honest about it this wouldn’t be as big of a deal. Another thing that comes into play is how they keep basically screwing over their London crowds by consistently giving them lackluster cards like this, and just expecting a Michael Bisping appearance to make it all worthwhile for these people and then on the same turn expect to make some kind of major expasnion into the U.K. market.
"But party on, party on, all night n*gga
I got these new rappers nervous, prom night n*gga
I’ve grown tired of these f*ckin’ grown man liars
Storytellers, they ain’t even need a campfire"
"expansion"
"But party on, party on, all night n*gga
I got these new rappers nervous, prom night n*gga
I’ve grown tired of these f*ckin’ grown man liars
Storytellers, they ain’t even need a campfire"
Do people really get worked up over what tag follows the UFC letters for an event? If anybody decides to skip watching the London event because it’s titled “UFC 120: Bisping vs Akiyama” instead of “UFC Fight Night: Bisping vs Akiyama” then I honestly hope they don’t breed.
Bisping/Akiyama is about as relevant as the Mir/Nog rematch anyway, except that you won’t need to pay to watch it.
Sanchez v. Stevenson
Bisping v. Leben
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 17, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
UFC 120: Bisping vs Akiyama
"Ten more seconds is all I ever ask. That's the good thing I learned about being KO'd twice. You don't see it coming -it's like death- you don't plan for it so don't wait for it. So many people are afraid of getting Ko'd that their hands stay home, but not me. I got to go out there and shoot the lights out and fall down" Jens Pulver
by StevenGiles on Jul 17, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Fight
But if I were shields I would have angled for Condit since I’d say he’s a better match up for Shields than Kampmann; against the former, Shields would have been able to get and maintain top position with much less trouble than I suspect he will against Kampmann. Kampmann has superior striking but mildly inferior wrestling and grappling. I think it will be a good match.
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"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
If I were risk averse and Jake Shields, I would see (or make up) a reason.
"If a dick don't get hard offa cocaine, what would you axe it?" O.D.B.
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by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Its just a safer fight for him, esp for his debut
I don’t expect Kampmann to beat him, but I wouldn’t be too, too shocked if it did happen.
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Shields will easily beat any of the top UFC WW's.
I am not even a Shields fan, but I can’t disagree that his combination of submission-wrestling is unmatched. The guy just grinds people away on the mat.
I think Shields would do to Fitch what Fitch has been doing to people his entire career. Maintain top control and grind him out.
Shields is the real deal and the UFC ww have been put on notice.
He will destroy Kampmann.
Shields beat Fitch in a submission grappling match, but Fitch took Shields down. And unlike in a submission grappling match, where you need to pass to score from top position, Fitch can camp out in Shields guard, beat on him for three rounds and earn a UD. It’s pretty difficult to sweep a solid wrestler from your guard when he’s not trying to pass. Shields’ game off his back is unremarkable, although his top game is elite. I do not think, notwithstanding Shields’ victory over Hendo, that Shields will be able to outwrestle Fitch. I give Fitch a slight edge in striking.
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"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, but just imagine
If neither guy could take the other down. No way Shields tries to get Fitch down by pulling guard – he would be stuck there the rest of the round.
Now, we are left with a 3-round striking match between the 2 of them…and we think people complain now about these guys fights being lame…
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by BigDNotDallas on Jul 17, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol, Sherdog’s fora would explode from all of the hate spewed at those two.
"If a dick don't get hard offa cocaine, what would you axe it?" O.D.B.
"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss Paul Daley
The cheap shot was unforgivable, but he did a lot to spice up the UFC’s blandest division (speaking only of personalities, not talent).
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I agree, except for Hardy (who’s funny) and Kos, who you know you at least love to hate.
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"To be is to be the value of a bound variable." W.V.O Quine
"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Kos keeps it lively
And Hardy’s trash talk is decent, but Daley’s really the total package and unlike Kos is an almost effortless heel. Plus, his fights are super-fun to watch — at least when he’s not being dominated by an elite wrestling type. Maybe I’ll buy that Impact FC card he’s on.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Dave Strummer on Jul 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If Daley dominates outside the UFC and issues some sort of public apology, the UFC will let him back in, I predict.
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"I shoot. I score. He shoots. I score." Dan Gable.
by The Darkness on Jul 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss read the title..
and taught it was saying that they would fight at UFC 170. XD
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