If He Beats Anderson Silva, Georges St Pierre Will Retire

Nate, how exactly is that hubris? “If, if, if” isn’t the same as “this is what will happen and I will retire as the best P4P.”

I do agree though that I’d rather see Spider/Shogun than Spider/GSP. It just seems like a more logical matchup.

GSP vs Anderson = BJ vs GSP

I don’t think GSP would win, size does matter.

But I think this is just the kind of wistful thinking that GSP does out loud. I’m not terrified.

Anderson is a legitimamte 205er who cuts to 185. GSP is a real 170 fighter. He can’t get up to 200lbs and cut which would be the only way to be a real 185 fighter. Not to mention you can’t change your height and reach with weight lifting and he’d just get peppered from the outside.

Hubris? And suggesting GSP isn’t focusing on his next fight? Where do you get this stuff?

Unless Silva abandons 185 entirely, I’m not enthusiastic about Silva/Shogun. I’d much rather Shogun run through the LHW gauntlet before any superfight materializes.

Personally, I’m much more interested in Anderson Silva moving up to LHW and facing Shogun Rua than I am in watching him fight GSP, but clearly I’m in the minority on that one.

We can’t see both?

I think more people would rather see him fight Shogun at 205 than you may realize.

he should vacate the belt and move to LHW for the remainder of his career. Vitor should then fight Jake Shields for the MW strap and Silva should get an immediate title shot against the winner of Evans and Shogun.

and he just tooled a guy that was close to another title shot against silva before leaving the UFC.

This is really what someone of his caliber should be looking to as his future. Setting goals is great and what has really gotten him this far in his career.

Hubris however is wwwwaaaaayyyyyyy to powerful of a word in my opinion, how about audacious?

If Georges retires the moment he is considered the p4p best in the world, it robs any other fighter of proving themselves better than him, and will always leave the question of whether the next fighter to come along is as good as GSP. If that isn’t hubris I don’t know what is.

especially at 185. GSP is one of those fighters that has the luxury to retire when he wants, not keep fighting way past his prime because he has to… I like seeing that and its good he has his head on straight.

is the title of this article good enough for carwin "kid nate? just asking so carwin doesn’t check u again and make you change the title like he did last time..

So when he takes opponents seriously, he gets crap for not being interesting, and when he mentions long term goals, we start throwing around words like “hubris.”

:/ Sorry Georges, tough crowd.

You are an uncharitable curmudgeon and a hack. To read “hubris” into his comments is simply stupid given that he couches everything he says in terms of conditionals—namely, if I do x, then y, etc. He doesn’t say he is the best. Indeed, he explicitly denies it. He doesn’t say he will beat Silva. Hell, he doesn’t even say he will fight him any time soon. Instead, what he actually says is, if he fights Silva and wins, he will have achieved his goal of being the best P4P fighter in the world. He’s not looking past Kos, he is simply filling in some details concerning how he envisions trying to end his career by making a run at being the best P4P fighter. To suggest otherwise is to further solidify yourself as the least competent and least insightful writer on this blog. Enough is enough already. You shed more heat than light in every single post. Indeed, it has become clear that the only reason BE has you on staff is to play the role of the heel. It’s not just that you’re “in the minority” on this one. You are in the minority when it comes to damn near anything MMA-related.

that so many people believe that Chael Sonnen can beat Anderson Silva but Georges St. Pierre cannot. Reading these comments and how Silva would just smash him despite what we know GSP would try to do is the same thing Sonnen is going to try to do. And I think we can all agree that GSP is about a thousand times better at it.

That right there shows how much Sonnen running his mouth has fucked with the heads of normally logical people. And don’t give me the size argument cause thats fucking bullshit and we all know it.

He’s not the second best WW but he’s probably the biggest threat to GSP in that division, as he has better hands than Fitch.

Nate,usually you are spot on with your articles.This time you couldn’t be more wrong.

I watched the entire 60 minute interview with GSP with MMA Junkie this past weekend.During the interview,GSP essentially said that he wanted to stay at WW and beat all comers and establish himself at the best P4P fighter ever.He said if that meant having to face some guys like Koscheck or Fitch twice he was fine with that,because they would be different in a second fight.He also said that should he ever move up in weight to fight Anderson Silva and win that fight,that he would retire,because at that point he would have nothing left to prove.

I don’t see how that is hubris,and I don’t see how that is looking past Josh Koscheck.He specificly stated he wants to stay at WW and beat all comers,and that includes Koscheck.

Did you watch the whole interview?

Nate has a point. This reminds me of before the Serra fight when GSP was basically saying he wanted to win the 170, 185 and 205 belts and hold them for a period of time. We all remember how that ended. He needs to smash Kos then move forward with P4P GOAT talks.

GSP is so afraid of losing, and has had his ego so blown up he isn’t really interested in challenging himself anymore.

He talks a big game about being a well rounded mixed martial artist but he can’t apply a simple arm bar properly.

He talks about testing himself but he’s fed fairly weak fighters who can’t match his wrestling, and he fights to for points and rounds, not to win.

I don’t think he’ll ever beat Anderson. I doubt he could go up in weight and dominate like he has in ww.

I think you’re cherry picking your quotes to make a point. I don’t think that GSP is looking past Kos. He is essentially saying the same thing that he has said all along…

1). He wants to remain at WW until he clears the division.
2). If he moves up to MW he will take his time and put the weight on properly.
3). And finally, (the only new tid-bit) if he were to fight and beat Anderson Silva, he might retire having reached all of his goals.

Where is the hubris? I don’t see it.

As a journalist, I would figure that you understand how the media attempts to bait athletes into responses to popular questions. Everybody wants to see Silva vs GSP so everybody asks GSP about the potential for that fight.

Perhaps you’re just stirring the pot.

Some people argue that the result of such a fight is forgone…that Anderson would destroy GSP. Personally, I think he would…but I would still love to see the fight. If you’re a fan of MMA, why wouldn’t you want to see this fight?

he just can’t seem to help himself but desire to insert himself into the story by providing his own thoughts of the matter at hand in a less then logical way. Moreover, the amount of consistent negativity is wearing after a while. That said, the standards of BE appears to be vastly improved over the last three months as a whole though pieces like this allows one to acknowledge that BE still has yet to decide a fully developed editorial direction.

He said at one point that Silva might or might not be the champ when time comes to move up. He put a lot of emphasis on how everything changes, he might lose to Kos, a new challenger might beat him, etc.

His desire to be the best is hardly hubris. Here’s his progression of career goals as I remember it:

1. Become a professional mixed martial artist
2. Be hired by the UFC
3. Become welterweight champion
4. Regain the welterweight belt (after loss to Serra)
5. Become P4P best

As I see it, all that’s left for him to do at WW is to right now is to beat Kos, beat John Fish again and beat Jake Shields. Unfortunately taking two fights a year leaves a lot of time for changes in the division, but I don’t think those three will be upset any time soon.

What I found more interesting was the fact that GSP loves controversy in MMA. The Strikeforce brawl, Mayorga’s conference with Din Thomas… He loves the cocky fighters who cause problems.

I can see where he is coming from. I hope he doesn’t retire but if he does retire after beating Anderson then that is his decision and I respect it. It is much better than going the route Chuck Liddell seems hellbent on taking. It is hard to watch Chuck. It has been for some time. I think the less fighters that turn into marble mouthed punch drunk shells of men, the better. Much better to go out like Barry Sanders than Chuck Liddell.

I wanted this fight to happen but the price is now just too high. I will be satisfied with him just crushing welterweight for another 5 years.

(About the comment on his state of mind:GSP considers each of his opponents like his biggest challenge, he never fools around in the gym and is always in the best shape of his life. He always (post Serra) shows the greatest respect for his opponent’s skill set. We can call him boring but we can’t call him arrogant.)

For once St. Pierre gives an short interview piece on something and it isn’t filled with the usual “[Insert opponent] is the toughest guy I’ve ever faced…” and you decide to infer that he is “looking past” Koschek??

Uh… ok, I’m going to have to go ahead and respectfully disagree with you.

GSP has one of these bigtime sports agents. She’s putting this kinda stuff in his ear and he’s throwing it out there just like the big name boxing guys do to get more money to stay in the game.

I am in the “both needs to stay at their respective divisions” boat. At least for now.

is we’ve only seen him fight guys his size or smaller (T Alves had more beef, but was shorter and smaller frame wise)
GSP is used to being the bully, what happens when he fights up like BJ and Anderson have done?
Size does matter, so it would be interesting.

GSP has admitted to only wanting to fight when “all the chance are on my side.”