Kenny Florian Prepares Boxing and Wrestling for Gray Maynard at UFC 118
by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2010 12:14 AM EDT
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"My best striking performances have always been when I've been working with Peter (Welch) the most," Florian said. "Striking always comes from footwork and Peter really stresses that. It takes a little while to get it down but each training camp I see more and more improvements."
...Florian attributes his newfound wrestling improvements to training in Montreal with Tri-Star Gym. There he gets to go against one of the most dominant wrestlers in the UFC, welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre, as well as others vying for spots on the Canadian Olympic wrestling team.
"I feel that I've evolved a lot since the time when I fought another wrestler with similar skills, Sean Sherk. I feel that this is coming at a great time in my career," Florian said. "I'm ready for a challenge and I really consider it the biggest fight of my career, the biggest challenge of my career."
I'm impressed that Florian -- a fighter who made his mark in the sport as the prototypical Muay Thai + jiu jitsu guy is working hard to improve in other areas. Frankly, it's just smart to work your wrestling and boxing before going up against a guy like Gray Maynard who's an exceptional wrestler with a budding boxing game.
Of all the veterans of the first season of The Ultimate Fighter, Florian has unquestionably developed the most complete MMA game. Others like Josh Koscheck and Chris Leben have fleshed out their game considerably, but Florian leads the pack.
Getting by Maynard will be a stiff test however. Despite Florian's experience edge and being the superior technician, Maynard is the far more physical specimen and should have a big wrestling edge.
The winner of this bout will only have to step up their game that much more as they're likely to be the next challenger for the UFC lightweight title against the winner of Frankie Edgar and B.J. Penn.
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Kenny Florian finishes fights
Just thought I’d get that out of the way. And I wouldn’t doubt it if he finished Gray.
No doubt BJ wants it too
"I want to tell me what you see, let's go ahead and see by in the fight, what you saw, in the ring." - Tito Ortiz
by CasualMMAFan on Jul 12, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Difference is...
B.J. will get it.
by seanerk88 on Jul 13, 2010 3:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Florian ftw
I see gray getting some takedowns but ken-flos going to put so much pressure on him gray will make a mistake at some point that will lead to florian win
Watching Florian fight is always a pleasure
It seems like he always adds something new and fresh to his game for every fight. After getting soundly out wrestled by Sean Sherk he’s come back and really put together a great wrestling game. His wrestling looked outstanding against Guida. His boxing and jab looked great against Gomi. I think he may even out wrestle Maynard here. Florian is just on another tier from Maynard.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
we'll see about that
I agree that Florian has shown an amazing capacity to improve as a fighter, but Maynard is HUGE for 155lbs and is a monster wrestler.
If Florian can throw him out of his wrestling game ala GSP vs Koscheck, he could maybe outwrestle Gray, but we’ll see.
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I think the opposite for Maynard .
He will score land with his heavy hands and get Florians attention. In effect making his wrestling that much more effective.
Florian gets all the accolades while Maynard has beaten the best of the Division to the tune of undefeated at 8. Florian is right about this being his biggest challenge.
Florian has had much better performances against much better competition
Maynard is completely one dimensional and wildly overrated. He’s demonstrated his so-called “heavy hands” exactly once in the Octagon against superstar Joe Veres. He arguably should have lost his last fight, which was against a weaker, less-well-rounded version of Kenny Florian.
Florian has fought BJ Penn, who outclasses Gray Maynard every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Wow! You have nerve!
I would absolutely hide the facts of Penn/Florian if I am touting Florian. Not to get in a pissing match, but Maynard has knocked down each of his opponents in his last 4 fights in addition to the 9 second KO you reference.
I am curious, since you seem so, uhh, well informed and objective, why did it take Maynard having to call out Florian to finally see Kenny fight someone in the top 15. I am baffled at his poor resume. Can you shed some light, please?
All the exclamation points in the world aren't going to save your argument
Florian has been in against better guys than Maynard. The only top-ranked fighter Maynard has faced that Kenny hasn’t is Frankie Edgar, who — crappy judging notwithstanding — is not on the same level as BJ Penn.
More importantly, Kenny finishes fights, unlike Maynard, who’s approach seems to be to bore his opponent into submission. Watching Maynard makes me angry, so I haven’t seen as many of his fights as you have, but I did watch his last bout against Nate Diaz, which was embarrassing.
I’m a fight fan, and it’s not my job to be unbiased. I am heavily biased in favor of BJJ and Muay Thai/Kickboxer types who know how to end fights and heavily biased against one dimensional wrestlers who like to lean/lay their way to victory.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Unfortunately for you and Florian,
the only meaningful fights on Florians resume has been in a losing effort. Obviously, you are a Maynard hater ;ok because you admit it. However, if you scrutinize Florians record you will see the disparity. He has been spoon fed by the UFC. His opponents records in his last 8 wins are 28 wins opposed to 22 losses. Maynards opponents 39 wins against 17 losses.
I know, I know dont bother me with the facts. I wont. I will let Aug 28 play itself out. By the way, have you considered your new handle……just in case,
No.
I like my handle. Gray Maynard lay’n’praying his way to a UD victory against a more interesting and multidimensional fighter wouldn’t change that.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I assume you had something to do with Florians
pre announced excuse for losing to Maynard. " It wont really count because it will be lay n pray and boring"?
I don’t work in MMA. I’m just a fan who likes interesting fights. I like Kenny Florian, but I wouldn’t say he’s even among my top ten favorite fighters.
Gray Maynard is, however, easily among my bottom-5 least-favorite fighters, right down there with Jon Fitch and Chael Sonnen…all unevolved wrestlers who have mastered the fine art of point fighting.
I want Florian to win this fight. I believe Florian is a better fighter and will win this fight. I will bet any amount of money in the world, that if Florian does end up losing, it will be via lay’n’pray UD.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Monte Fisto on Jul 13, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
So, you did collaborate on the pre-fight excuse. LOL.
You said earlier you haven’t watched any of Maynards fight. You are, than, a parrot of what your forum and madia heroes? And I venture to guess that Gray Maynard , nor I, give a twit about your “unevolved” intelligence, either.
Run up to your local HS (if you are not there already) and catch the REAL fights to quinch your thirst for ACTION.
I should have probably realized four comments ago that this was going to be a fruitless discussion.
What I said was that I probably hadn’t seen as many of Maynard’s fights as you have, since it would appear that you are the captain of his fan club. However, I watched his entire TUF season and I’ve seen several of his post-TUF fights. I have never been overly impressed.
I can only guess at what those last two sentences would mean if they were written in English. If the point is that I should consider broadening my horizons to appreciate the finer points of watching weight-cutting experts grind out decision wins, then I’ll pass. Thanks though.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Enough for me too. The banter was fun, thanks.
Lets hope the better man wins, injury free. Good luck to both.
I don’t know if he’ll outwrestle Maynard, but he’ll hold his own one way or another. Kenny has become like my case study in what’s possible in a fighter’s development, in part because we’ve got to see it unfold, but mostly due to his growth. I watched a couple early fights of his recently, and he’s just light years beyond that version of himself. There’s always another layer of polish on every facet of his game, and unlike so many guys who show all this new stuff in the gym, but can’t translate it, Kenny seems to really trust what he learns. I know Gomi’ s not the greatest measuring stick in the world, but Kenny’s boxing looked so sharp, so evolved in that fight. Very much looking forward to this fight, as Maynard has come a really long way as well.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 12, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
I feel like Kenny is gonna sub him from the bottom
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 12, 2010 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think Maynard will have to step up his game much if he winds up fighting Edgar again.
I don’t know if Edgar can stop the wrestling of Maynard.
lol
that’s a good point. I’m showing my bias there as I don’t think Edgar vs Maynard is a very likely outcome.
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by Kid Nate on Jul 12, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont either. But, then again nobody thought the Undispusted heavyweight title mini-tournament would have ended with Lesnar Mir II.
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Me. :)
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 12, 2010 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah
That’s exactly what I’m betting on.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 12, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
What is your scenario?
After Penn/Edgar, what Title fight do you foresee?
Stephan Bonnar
nuff’ said.
uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jul 12, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is this “us” you speak of?
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 12, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I like what Bonnar brings to the show.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Ditto
He, Kenny, Randy, Jens – I like most fighters that commentate (note the lack of Mir)
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 12, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
not sure if you're kidding
but i do like Mir’s commentary. Albeit a bit biased when he’s aswingin’ from some nuts, he adds a ton of value when talking about technique. It’s unfortunate he made those derogatory comments towards Brock.
“Brock…I’m going to rip your arm off…but you will blow me first”
-Mir Gibson.
by Body Triangle on Jul 12, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Bonnar either
Mir is actually good IMO, Florian too. (commentating on WEC, don’t watch MMA Live)
by Horselover Fat on Jul 12, 2010 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions
florian sux
he is always so predictable.. like goldie
Mucho Disagree...O
Kenny is way better than Joe. When he’s paired up with Goldie, the sport comes across as more civil and much more educational.
Even with Goldie’s blunders.
by JAYGK95 on Jul 12, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Maynard should win this fight, the guy is an absolute monster and still vastly underrated by UFC fans and Media Members.
While, no doubt that Zoolander is a more complete MMA fighter than Gray, I think Gray is too strong of a grappler than Zoolander at this point of his career.
I think this will be similiar to Sherk/Zoolander even though Zoolander has vastly improved over the time and is more dangerous in all aspects of MMA.
uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?
I think
If Nate Diaz can give Maynard problems so can Kenny. All comes down to how well he can defend the takedown i guess.
Yeah but with Diaz he didn’t even try for a takedown iirc… Scared to death of his jits I guess. With kenflo I think he will go for takedowns, as kennys standup is vastly superior to maynards.
Gotta go Kenny in this fight though, struggle bs Diaz and Huerta = you get finished by florian.
by kanodogg on Jul 12, 2010 1:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Grey didn't take Diaz down,
cuz Diaz sub’ed him on TUF 5.
"what the f**k is the internet?"
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Pain don't hurt...
Florian finished Huerta??
I recall Kenny on his bicycle most of the fight. Maynard impressed me more vs Huerta!
I cant recall many opponents looking impressive against Nate. You didn’t see a TD in Maynard/Diaz because Maynard tossed his game plan to engage in a "bang it out ".
Do yourself and the forum a favor and research a little before posting inane, inaccurate equations.
I see training with GSP is wearing off....
Now every fight will be ’Da bigges challange of his careear."
Sorry Kenny but i think the BJ fight was a bigger challenge.
and Sherk
Sherk was a beast back in 2006
"what the f**k is the internet?"
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
Yeah, he hasn't been the same since he started being more careful with his supplements.
Ahem.
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And started to completely neglect his wrestling
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
Oh, that too.
There’s more than enough criticism to go around for Sherk.
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It will be very interesting to see how much Florian's wrestling has improved...
The days of elite MT/BJJ guys dominating are coming to an end, but idk that Maynard’s MMA wrestling has improved to the point yet that he is all but immune to being submitted from the bottom like the truly elite MMA wrestlers are (GSP, Kos, Fitch, Shields, Lesnar, probably Cain & Carwin as well…).
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 12, 2010 1:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would say the guys people thought were elite MT fighters are not so elite. Anderson will still punish plenty of guys with that base, though he has a different approach than most which helps him avoid takedowns. As opposed to guys like Torres/Condit/old Kenny who could be taken down almost at will.
Kenny sees the light – wrestleboxing is the way. At least until you meet a guy who you can’t get a hold of and can still light you up from long range (Anderson/Aldo)
"The days of elite MT/BJJ guys dominating are coming to an end"
What makes you say that? Shogun/Anderson/Jose Aldo say different.
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"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
I would add that each of those fighters either has, or has developed pretty good takedown defense. Watching Jose dominate Mike Brown, admittedly after Jose rang his bell a few times, was a real eye opener as to how unstoppable he might really be.
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 12, 2010 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
So all you're really saying is that MT/BJJ guys need is to learnTDD??
No offense, but, uh, well… duh. And this fact hardly necessitates the end of the MT/JJ archetype.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
I wasn’t arguing with him. Just adding that being elite in MT/BJJ doesn’t necessarily make you a world beater. It’s eliminating the weakness against great wrestlers that rounds out the package. If saying something obvious was a crime around here, the whole site would crash, but my apologies;)
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jul 12, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Studious observation and the ability to project observations into the future...
None of those 3 have faced an elite MMA wrestler yet in their careers as tops in their respective classes.
Anderson will soon face Sonnen, who is certainly not an elite MMA wrestler but should show enough to enlighten us as to the path to beating Silva. GSP is the only elite MMA wrestler who I think capable of beating Anderson at this point, although Shields & Kos have the potential to beat him at 185 and near-elite MMA wrestler Jon Jones at LHW (after Maty + 1-2 more).
Rua has already shown himself vulnerable to being easily taken down, and Rashad (also not an elite MMA wrestler) should demonstrate that vulnerability (even in defeat).
Have only closely analyized 2 of Aldo’s fights, but he may have enough TDD, and is young enough to add more MMA wrestling to his game.
I realize this sounds somewhere between ludicrous and insane to most (like Rampage falling to gatekeeper status), but a year from now history will show otherwise…
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 12, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How is Dan Henderson not an elite wrestler?
He’s an Olympic medalist!
Aldo faced Faber and Brown, both could be classified as “wrestle boxers”
Shogun fought Coleman twice. (I know, I know)
If none of those guys are considered “elite”, who is?
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"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
I think Kenny’s punches will be a little faster and a little straighter. His combos will a little sharper and put together a lot better, set up with excellent footwork. I can also see Kenny getting the better of Gray in the clinch. Sneaking in some elbows and knees while trying to disengage. I’m curious to see if he can shrug of the double or single leg, it seems to be a skill some people develop really. Just shrugging and pushing off TD attempts. Once he can do that, the sky’s the limit. If Gray can keep Kenny on his back, I just don’t see him staying safe for 15 minutes.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is an awesome matchup
simply for the fact that I don’t know what the fuck is going to happen.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Yep.
But I know one thing: Florian is going to try to finish Maynard.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, of course.
Can he do it? I think so.
Will he do it? I don’t think he will.
I think he’ll have trouble with a guy like Maynard on top of him. This makes me think of the Marquardt-Sonnen fight. Ken Flo might come close to a submission but Maynard will control and stay active to win the fight.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Gray seemed a little gun about rolling with black belts, Diaz is actually just a brown belt. Kenny just keeps improving so much, so quickly; I’m kinda expecting to see a way better version of Florian than we did last time. He’s just so sharp and crisp with his technique. And you just know he is going to have a great game plan. I think he can keep his distance, using leg kicks to pick apart Maynard. He basically only has to worry about stuffing the TD and avoiding the right hand. If he takes Gray’s legs out, defending that TD just got a lot easier.
If Maynard can take Kenny down at will, I still believe Kenny will do a lot more than just lay there like Marquardt did. He serious didn’t try to do anything for almost the entire fight. I just have a feeling Kenny’s wrestling is going to be a lot better than anyone’s expecting. Gray is not going to be that motivated to exhaust himself trying to get into Kenny’s guard.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Marquardt nearly finished the fight twice.
I feel like the matchup is similar but Florian will come in with a much better game plan that Nate did. Maynard is really big though so I wonder how Ken Flo will handle the big size advantage that Gray has over him.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Yeah.... He did a little more than nothing. : )
For the majority of the fight he really didn’t seem very concerned that Chael was on top of him.
Gray is huge, I imagine Kenny is going to try to come in a little heavier. Which wouldn’t be too difficult for him, seeing how meatless he appears. He’s built like my 17 year old brother. Bulking up wouldn’t be a bad idea, it would probably improve his athleticism if he did it right.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Full disclosure
I’m a big Marquardt fan. Still a little bitter about the fight. God, I wish that fucker would have submitted. He was so close to being out. Tough bastard to stay in it. I have to give him his due for winning that fight.
I really think it’s a testament to Florian’s skill level that he consistently looks so damn skinny that you can see all of his skeletal structure and still manages to clown most of the 155 lb division. I think it would be great if he could bulk up and still manage to make weight. Shit, he might just be unstoppable at that point.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
I’m 153-156 and only one inch shorter, but I’m a whole lot more muscular and even a little thicker than Kenny. As odd and almost asinine as it sounds, I would wager to say that I’m a little stronger than him(in some ways). I’m just saying that because I believe he could greatly increase his size and physical strength while staying at 155. Look at Melvin Guillard. They’re almost the same height.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions
holy crap i cannot wait for this fight.. theres all this talk about the HW division being revitalized because a hulking juicehead ex-fake wrestler is fumbling around and giving us half coherant post fight tard feasts, but 155 is where the action is. personally id like edgar to beat penn(im biased because hes from nj) and then get smoked by florian. whatever combo it ends up being in the end, we at least know the fights will be entertaining.
It's just the typical Lesnar hate...
As usual, very little actual logic and reason behind it.
*facepalm*
Let’s try this again:
what in my post indicates that i was using the whole"skill vs technique, this guy is only successful because hes big etc" argument? i dont like him because of the way he carries himself. he makes mma fighters look like low iq barbarians to the untrained eye and hes just not that good. yet. im sure (as long as hes being protected by dana white) he will continue to florish and blossum into the hype train that dana so sorely covets. so yeah, he may be able to take some very hard, clean blows. but he looks like a complete goof doing so. hes basically stiff out there and throw punches (we have yet to see a kick i think) tenatively with little skill. just look at the way he handle, or didnt for that matter, shane carwin. the minute he got hit hard he was practically running backwards looking for aa way out of what he got himself into. if carwin didnt gas or get a full body cramp or get the wrong idea from the ref or whatever excuss hes using this week, he would have pretty much packed up the brock lesnar show. as ive said before, if lesnar gets past cain velasquez, ill definantly stop bashing him. i respect ANYONE who trains let alone has the guts to step in a ring/cage because to even be a can its tough. but in my humble opinion, brock lesnar has a long way to go.
...
1. Brock makes MMA fighters look like low IQ barbarians. Have you watched the Couture fight, post-fight, pre-fight, etc? Have you watched the Carwin fight, post-fight, pre-fight, etc? Where in the HELL does he do/say anything that would back up that statement?
2. He’s not that good. No. He’s not well rounded, not at all. But he’s the best wrestler in the heavyweight division, and thats pretty fucking good. (We’ll see how he matches up with Cain in regards to wrestling.)
3. Did you seriously just fucking say that Brock is being protected? What can I say to this…honestly. He’s not had one easy fight, and Carwin was thought to be his kryptonite. If anything, he’s been tossed into the deep end, and he’s loving every minute of it.
4. You realize this guy has a handful of pro fights, and no amateur fights? He’s not a world class striker. Getting hit is something that takes a long time to get used to in regards to reacting properly. Keeping your hands up, circling, counter punches, etc. And yeah, we’ve seen him throw a kick. Seen him throw knees and elbows too. Not sure why that matters though.
5. The first time Brock got hit, he went for a takedown. Let’s not forget the first minute and a half of the fight, and just skip to the upper cut that sent Brock shuffling backwards. So no, I do not in any way, shape, or form think he was “looking for a way out”. Are you kidding me? If he wanted a way out he would have turtled and let the fight get stopped.
6. “If” is a funny word. Especially when you put so much emphasis on what COULD have happened, and so little emphasis on what DID happen.
It’s ignorant statements like this that make me hope Brock Lesnar goes on undefeated, just to piss off all you little goobers who have this deep burning hatred for him because of whatever biased opinion you have. Did you even watch his post fight interview after the Carwin fight? Or were you too busy getting mad and leaving the room to see him act humble and respectful?
Brock has a long way to go, I think everyone can agree on that, but his base is so strong, he can defeat capable challengers as he grows as a fighter.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jul 12, 2010 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
It’s ignorant statements like this that make me hope Brock Lesnar goes on undefeated, just to piss off all you little goobers who have this deep burning hatred for him because of whatever biased opinion you have
I co-sign this. I don’t like Brock but this is exactly how i feel.
by Body Triangle on Jul 12, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
"biased opinion"?
As opposed to… :-)
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An objective opinion
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Right, right.
I think we usually refer to those as “jemaleddin’s opinions” as short-hand.
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I blog at TangleBones - you should follow me on Twitter here.
If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
Disagree with 2.
Personally, I think Carwin is the best wrestler at HW. Lesnar wanted that fight on the ground in round 1, but was unable to put Carwin on his back. Round 2 was round 2 and Carwin was completely shot, but when his body wasn’t in a full crap or whatever, Carwin was showing better wrestling than Lesnar.
If Lesnar has shown he’s the best at something I would say it’s ground and pound. His striking from top position is more effective than anyone I’ve seen in MMA.
Cardio is a HUGE HUGE HUGE part of wrestling. One of my high school coaches would sprawl us and work us into the ground untill people were literally throwing up and passing out. I (and many of my teammates) won many matches against better opponents simply because we had more left in the third round. Its amazing how people without proper cardio wilt in the third round.
Of course you get to the point where everyone has that cardio, and life became much more difficult @ high level tournaments
Many matches I went in I planned to try and take the other guy to the 3rd round down by 3 or less points.
Carwin is obviously a great talent and a good wrestler but untill he gets proper cardio…. In my mind that probaly the biggest weakness u can have as a wrestler.
by Nellieball on Jul 12, 2010 1:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
WTF do you mean by
“im sure (as long as hes being protected by dana white) he will continue to florish and blossum into the hype train that dana so sorely covets”?
Protected from whom? I’m not even looking for evidence at this point, just wondering who you imagine he’s being protected from?
There may be certain faves that Dana “protects” to some degree, but certainly not at the title or top contender level.
Even then, I would imagine most cases are fighters declining fights more than Dana protecting anyone…
Who wants to fight Jon Jones or Machida for example?
by BigDNotDallas on Jul 12, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i generally don't enjoy watching heavyweight fights that much either and i must say i'm not a fan of brock
but he deserves more credit than that.
Go big red!
please watch the fighter bashing
you’re encouraged to share your opinion, but please do it sans the name calling.
thanks
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Just saying...
I think that using the word “tard”—which is an abbreviation of an insult used to make fun of people with mental disabilities (or “retardation,” to use a word no longer used by folks who know better)—is a very jockish, and hence very Brockish, thing to do. As such, I think your “tard feast”—while cute and almost clever—suggests you and Brock have a lot in common. :)
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Should be interesting to see how far Kenny’s takedown defense has come since the Sherk fight, though I believe he did fairly well in that regard against Guida IIRC.
Kenny wins this fight standing IMO. Putting and keeping Kenny on his back is Gray’s shortest route to victory, though I believe he can be lulled into a stand-up brawl.
Still can’t see Kenny pulling off a fight ending sub off his back in this match though, unless it’s Gray losing position and Kenny taking his back for the RNC.
I'm interested to see what Kenny's wrestling looks like too
He’s not faced a guy of Sherk’s calibre in that department till now imo (I don’t put Guida in that bracket personally).
The way that Florian’s improved other aspects of his game makes me have faith in him, but really all we’ve seen thus far is a very good eye for opportunistic takedowns. A good skill to have no doubt, but nowhere near the same as being a Sherk/Maynard level of wrestler
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He’s not faced a guy of Sherk’s calibre in that department till now imo (I don’t put Guida in that bracket personally).
Neither do I really, I just mention him as he’s the only other comparable fight Kenny’s had since the Sherk one.
I still like Kenny in this fight though. But I do think Gray has the potential to make it a problematic fight for Florian.
Sticking to a game plan.
That will be the key to outcome of this fight. They will both come prepared with good ones. if either is drawn out of his and allows the other to dictate where the fight will take place, he loses.
An interesting statistic I saw on another thread: In Florians last 8 wins , his opponents UFC wins are 28, and losses 22.
In the same category, Maynards opponents have won 39 UFC fights and lost 17. It appears that of the two, Maynard has fought the tougher competition; by far.
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Mr.MMA Ken Florian will rid Gray Maynard to a win in Boston.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Jul 12, 2010 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Can’t wait to see this fight live. From Boston and want/expect Kenny to win. I think he’s 2nd to BJ. On another note Peter Welch is a nice guy I’ve met him a couple times and he runs a good gym.
by seanerk88 on Jul 13, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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