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Exclusive Interview with Chinese MMA Champ, Zhang Tie Quan

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Zhang Tie Quan has already accomplished a lot of firsts in his young career: he won the first fight on Art of War's first show, and he's China's first BJJ purple belt and MMA Champ. But one distinction would trump them all: the first Chinese fighter in the UFC. With the UFC planning to open a China office by years-end and the recent launch of ufc.cn, it's no secret the world's most populated country is hot on Zuffa's radar. I recently sat down with Zhang to discuss his thoughts on the UFC, his martial arts background, San Da, BJJ and even Jackie Chan. Here's what he had to say:

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This is your first American interview. Can you introduce yourself to your American fans?
Sure, no problem. My name's Zhang Tie Quan, I'm a Mongolian-Chinese fighter from Inner Mongolia, and I train at China Top Team under Ruy Menezes. I started wrestling when I was a kid. At 16 I won the Inner Mongolian Wrestling Championships and got recruited to fight San Da at one of China’s top San Da Academies. I trained there for about five years and won a few titles until Andy Pi of Art of War and Beijing Jiu-Jitsu came by looking for fighters to compete in MMA. Me and my buddies, Ao Hai Lin and Dai Shuang Hai, were the only guys who took him up on his offer to learn BJJ and MMA at his academy in Beijing. Five years later and we're all purple belts and undefeated in MMA. 

 

MMA has been around in China since 2005, but most Chinese fighters still seem adverse to studying BJJ. Why is that? 

Money. Guys are still making more money training and competing in San Da than they would in MMA. Once the money and media get behind the sport, more fighters will make the transition. All San Da fighters know how to wrestle, we know how to take people down, so the transition itself is easy. The truth is, San Da and BJJ complement each other really well.

 

You’re China’s first ever purple belt. How do you feel about your BJJ right now?

There’s always room for improvement. I still have some work to do and I still have the desire to improve.

 

 

Your opponent in Legend FC 2 in Hong Kong was another BJJ purple belt and you submitted him in under a minute with a guillotine choke. How did that make you feel?

Good. Even blue belts are hard to submit in BJJ.

 

 

How was the show?

It was great. The food, transportation, accommodation, everything was really professional. The media they had there was from outside of China, so that was good. Right now I want the world to know that Chinese fighters are ready to compete internationally. 

 

 

You won Submission of the Night at Legend? How are the purses in China?

The sport’s still not that big here, so we’re not making what fighters in other countries are, but I can’t complain; I don’t have to work a day job.

 

 

The UFC is coming to China and you are rumored to be the first Chinese fighter to participate in it. How does that make you feel?

I'm a fan of the sport, so fighting in the UFC is a dream of mine. I’m excited by the opportunity and it definitely serves as a motivation factor for me in training.

 

 

A lot of foreign fighters cut weight, but Asian fighters are notriously adverse to it and sometimes suffer because of that.  How would you approach weight cutting?

I’ve fought at 155 before. I could do it again.

 

 

What are your impressions of UFC fighters?

I think they train hard, they’re really professional, and they fight well. Again, that just motivates me more.

 

 

Most Mixed Martial Artists right now practice boxing, BJJ, and wrestling. What advantage does San Da have over those disciplines?

I’m Mongolian, so I’ve been wrestling since I was a kid. My advantage is definitely taking the fight to the ground.

 

 

Some of the biggest names in San Da, like Ba Te Er and Bao Li Gao, have fought MMA before, but have since put their MMA careers on hold. Why is that?

Actually those guys really like fighting MMA, but right now there’s just more money in San Da. They’re always welcome to come train at China Top Team.

 

 

Right now the MMA scene in China is still in its infancy. How important is cooperation?

It's very important. But unfortunately we don’t cooperate very well. (laughs)

 

 

Singapore is currently holding three to four Martial Combat events a month, but so far not one of the biggest names in Chinese MMA has competed there. Why?

There’s some management issues we’re trying to clear up.

 

 

Ole Larsen participated in and was victorious at Martial Combat's inaugural event in May. Your battle with Ole's best friend and training partner, Malik, at Art of War 10 is arguably the best fight in the history of Chinese MMA, and rumor has it Larsen is looking to avenge his friend's loss. How would you feel about fighting Ole and how would you deal with his K-1 level kickboxing?

I’d have no problem fighting Ole. We have Thaiboxing vs San Da matches all the time in China. The best way to fight a kickboxer is to catch his kicks and take him down.   

 

 

When do you think MMA will take off in China?

Once we have the media behind us and the money’s there, so three to five years. Right now most Chinese people, and not even athletes, know what MMA is. When I tell people what I do for a living, most people ask me 'is that like San Da?' (laughs) Inner Mongolia TV used to run Art of War shows, and the sport really took off there. The way I see it, it's just a matter of time. 

 

 

Recently the UFC was deemed too violent and taken off the air in Germany. How do you think Chinese people will react to the sport?

Actually we've had the same problem here; a lot of officials think it's too violent. But in the end Chinese people really like combat sports and martial arts in general. I think within ten years MMA will replace San Da as the biggest combat sport in China, much like what MMA did to boxing in the US.

 

 

If the UFC holds a show in China without a Chinese participant, would Chinese people be interested?

I would be, but I don’t think most people would.

 

 

Could you beat up Jackie Chan?

I'd crush him.

 

 

How about Jet Li?

(laughs) I'd murder him.

 

 

How about BRUCE Lee?

I'd love to have had the opportunity to find out.

 

 

 

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On another note, I would love to see a Judo Chop on San Da.

by Reciprocity on Jul 12, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

i've done a couple on

Cung Le — whose San Shou is a close relative of San Da:
Cung Le, Sanshou, Kicks, Take Downs and Scott Smith
The San Shou Take Downs of Cung Le
I agree with Zhang that it’s an excellent starting point for MMA. wrestling + striking = a great start.

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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 12, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup
Money. Guys are still making more money training and competing in San Da than they would in MMA. Once the money and media get behind the sport, more fighters will make the transition. All San Da fighters know how to wrestle, we know how to take people down, so the transition itself is easy. The truth is, San Da and BJJ complement each other really well.

this is very true. Wushu/Sanda is a great base, and since a ton of Chinese fighters are competing here all they need is to add in jiujitsu and they’re set. Once the money comes in, and more Chinese fighters make the jump to MMA, it’s going to be scary there…

World class wushu fighters here in the Philippines are doing well and are dominating the MMA scene because they incorporate a lot of grappling in their training, and if more and more Sanda fighters in China do the same, there’s going to be an influx of very very talented MMA fighters from there…

I think they just need the UFC to get a few more media tours, and tv deals there to get people educated… that’s how MMA got mainstream here, but I guess it’s easier here since the culture is more “Americanized” (or westernized? haha. whatever the proper term is)…

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 12, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely

Unfortunately Cung Le hasn’t displayed it much in MMA, but the jietui (trapping kicks) is a really useful skill to have in this sport and is an essential part of San Da. Most of the San Da vs Muay Thai matches I’ve seen in China have usually involved San Da fighters waiting for kicks, trapping them and moving into a takedown. It’s a whole nother dimension, and with good BJJ it becomes even more useful. See Kevin Belignon’s last fight in MC: traps kick, takedown, controls position with BJJ, victory.

Facts don't come with points of view.

by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

and

I think there are too many stalemates in the clinch in MMA right now. San Da guys, like Judo guys, have great upper body clinch throws. I really enjoyed Akiyama’s peformance at UFC 116.

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by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

you know a fighter's bad ass when his name means 'iron fist'

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by CC11 on Jul 12, 2010 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Dude I just realized

I didn’t think that this would be such a big deal, but this article has almost as many recs as comments! What’s going on?!

I couldn’t find which hanzi he’s got for his given name, but yeah, his given name is either “Iron Fist” or a homonym of it.

by Chortles on Jul 12, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I'd crush him"

Awesome. I always try to explain to people that there’s no way guys like Jackie Chan or Jet Li would be able to beat top level MMA fighters, to no avail.

But that’s about the best response you could give

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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 12, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

In the context of MMA, Zheng would crush them

because wushu practitioners don’t train full contact and do not focus on hand to hand.

In a street fight where ANYTHING goes, I would place money on Chan or Li who are somewhat proficient at weapons.

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 12, 2010 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

because wushu practitioners don’t train full contact and do not focus on hand to hand.

what?

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 12, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

you're right

I should have specifically stated Jackie Chan and Jet Li instead of the general term ‘wushu practitioners’

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 13, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please do not use the “street vs. sport” argument. Training to hit and be hit is an immeasurable advantage over athletes who train NOT to compete.

by gzl5000 on Jul 12, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

My response was mainly to EM’s quote,

there’s no way guys like Jackie Chan or Jet Li would be able to beat top level MMA fighters.

as I find it a very general statement that I agree with this in certain contexts (in MMA/H2H). Before I continue responding I’ll look up this ‘street vs. sport’ arguement.

As a side note, If what I’m saying is dated, I haven’t paid attention to the MMA/martial arts scene for a long time, and I’m trying to catch up…

by Goat choker 1 on Jul 13, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jackie Chan is an acrobat, not a martial artist. Jet Li was a martial artist, not an acrobat.

by mhauer on Jul 13, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

A+++, would read again.

by Chris Nelson on Jul 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant interview, rec'd

Quan comes across as a very level headed guy considering he’s flying the flag for chinese MMA pretty much solo right now. Looking forward to seeing him fight.

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by Mattyjudo on Jul 12, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

He's the forerunner

to fight in the UFC, but there’s a good amount of skilled Chinese fighters right now. Andy Pi’s guys at Beijing Jiu-Jitsu and Zhang’s China Top Team teammate, Li Jing Liang, are all talented. One of the two other fighters to accept Pi’s offer to train MMA in 2005, Ao Hai Lin, is also on the UFC radar. There’s also San Da Wang Champ, Zhao Zi Long, who won via 1st Rd KO at Legend FC 1, and AOW and IAFC vet Liu Wen Bo.

Facts don't come with points of view.

by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

great interview! i can’t wait until MMA takes off in China and more fighters like Zhang shows up with a high level Sanda

by 4evayoung! on Jul 12, 2010 2:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome interview.

Just BE.

by mattman73 on Jul 12, 2010 2:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Big ups.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 12, 2010 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Excellent Interview

Thank you for helping to expose more people to the individuals involved in International MMA. Look foward to seeing more from him, as well i would love to see him take on Ole Laursen, who i saw on the previous edition on Martial Combat and looked very good.

by pRoXiMo on Jul 12, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

that fight

would be sick

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by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

great stuff, thanks for posting this.

by pr0cs on Jul 12, 2010 3:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Mongolians are bred to be strong, durable and humble people. It ain’t easy in that desert. They kick ass in boxing, wrestling and judo. Being a champion Mongolian wrestler says a lot in itself. Like being the drunkest Irishmen. If MMA does explode in China I suspect a lot of talent will come from the North.

by B.H. Farnsworth on Jul 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I specializes in grammar fail.

by a tommy point on Jul 12, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

drunkest irishmen

that’s great! Inner Mongolia and Mongolia will both become hotbeds, imo. There’s a Mongolian MMA team right now. They’ve studied BJJ under Royler Gracie black belt, Pedro Schmall.

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by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. Keep it coming.

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by Dr. Octagon on Jul 12, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

he speak English or was this translated?

by sorakray on Jul 12, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

original interview was in chinese. he can speak some english.

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by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mongolian = me fan of said mongolian.

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jul 12, 2010 6:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Really good interview!

by JRN on Jul 12, 2010 9:41 PM EDT reply actions  

good interview

man i cant wait for the ufc , to take off in china!!!!!!!!!

by #1 piggy on Jul 12, 2010 10:11 PM EDT reply actions  

I couldn't believe

how Baduria handled the loss in their second fight. Really uncalled for. Zhang was pissed.

Facts don't come with points of view.

by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 7:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

well,

no offense to him, but I’m really not a Baduria fan, and I don’t think he’s really that good anyway.

by Anton Tabuena on Jul 14, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

Facts don't come with points of view.

by Robert Livingston on Jul 14, 2010 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome. Keep em’ coming.

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by Rundownloser on Jul 13, 2010 12:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome Interview Rob

Tie Quan is a cool guy. I don’t know him as well as some of the other guys from AoW but everyone respects him so much. His BJJ is solid and I would love to see him against Ole. Would it be at 155? Ole cuts a ton of weight. I think Ole’s ground game is evolving quickly and I wonder how it would play out. Even him and Malik again would be a great fight. Malik has improved a lot since their last fight.

 Sanda guys are so tough. Once you see the system for training you can see why. People beat the crap out of each other full force from an early age. You might question the skill of a Sanda fighter but never the toughness. If they are 25 and still fighting there are genetic freaks born of years of forced natural selection. Add Mongolian on that and you have one bad-ass dude.

by tianfeng on Jul 13, 2010 3:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Ole and Tie Quan

walk around at 78. I think they’d opt not to cut.

San Da guys are tough and Mongolians are freakishly strong. Good combination.

Why aren’t you training anymore?

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by Robert Livingston on Jul 13, 2010 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

From what I saw not really. There is more in Judo, and obviously wrestling, than in Sanda.
Because I leave to go back to Canada on the 22nd. I have been working full time for the last little while.

by tianfeng on Jul 14, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

genuinely great interview

keep it up – all the exposure helps.

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by Martial Farts on Jul 13, 2010 7:55 AM EDT reply actions  

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