Tournament, What Tournament? Jacare Souza vs Tim Kennedy Will Be for Strikeforce Middleweight Belt
by Kid Nate on Jul 10, 2010 4:25 PM EDT
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Sherdog reports:
Five-time Brazilian jiu-jitsu world champion Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza will lock horns with Tim Kennedy for the vacant Strikeforce middleweight crown at Strikeforce "Houston" on Aug. 21 at the Toyota Center in Houston. The promotion on Friday made the matchup official, putting to bed talk of a middleweight tournament for the belt.
Zach Arnold comments:
...if there is no tournament, that to me indicates that they couldn't get 8 guys to commit to fighting at 185 pounds. If there really isn't a tournament at the end of the day, that is a red flag about this promotion. Middleweight is the division they have the best chance of making something big happen and if they can't do an 8-man tournament...
The headliner of the 8/21 Houston event is King Mo vs. Feijao. Headlining a building the size of the Toyota Center?
As much as I'm looking forward to this card, and it's a really good one, Arnold is correct to worry about the chances of King Mo vs Feijao packing a major event center in Houston. King Mo has a tiny bit of name after being on CBS, but Feijao might as well be on the Brazilian national soccer team for all the name recognition he'll be bringing to Houston.
This is the kind of card that would actually hugely benefit from a little bit of Herschel Walker or Batista.
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What the hell are you thinking, Jacare?
Well-managed (and even corruptly managed) fighters treat Strikeforce belts (and the obligations they entail) like the plague.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 4:31 PM EDT reply actions
its not like
going to the UFC MW division is that attractive for him. What can he do to Anderson Silva that Demian Maia can’t?
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Oh one more thing
Which two actual fighters that are currently scheduled to be on the main card would you like to see screwed, so that Batista or Walker can fight?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jacare absolutely wants to fight all the best and win all the titles. And he is better than Demian Maia at everything in MMA with the exception of BJJ, where they are both super-elite. But as usual, subo’s militant fanboy mentality clouds his perception of Strikeforce and Jacare’s situation therein. SF has a great middleweight division, their champions get paid as well as other top level fighters in the UFC and beyond, and Tim Kennedy is a great opponent who is worthy of challenging for a title. On top of that, Strikeforce has treated Jacare well and put him in tough fights prominently placed on good cards. So while there is this fantastical portrayal of all SF fighters chomping at the bit to leave for the UFC and their guaranteed megamillions, the reality is that SF is a very attractive destination for top fighters, and the great ones can even attain parity in purse money with a similarly-positioned UFC fighter.
by smoogy2 on Jul 10, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
BJJ is not an exception either, Jacare is more accomplished at that as well.
However, Jacare is not a proven MMA commodity at this point, he is still a prospect. A potentially amazing prospect, but he needs to fight a current top 10 fighter to show it. If you watched him looked very human in his last fight against a non-elite fighter in Joey V, you know that he has a lot of work to do to be a top MMA fighter.
Not every fighter is in a hurry to be in the UFC, but you’d be a fool to think that isn’t the ultimate goal for most.
by Bob Loblaw TX on Jul 10, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think Joey gets enough credit
but I was surprised Jacare was being so aggressive with top control. I don’t know why he was being so sloppy in that fight, really needs to remember to keep position first.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 10, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Strikeforce Middleweight Title
This is the reason why StrikeForce can’t care the UFC jock strap.To put two none casual MMA fan fighters in the cage for a title,is cheap and very tastless.StrikeForce doesn’t realize that you can’t claim you’ve the best fighters when you through 2 guys in a match with no American TV appeal.Scott Coker should just keep the title vacate until they can field a tourment.
by TERRENCEFROMSOUTHEAST on Jul 10, 2010 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
athletic commission issues probably played into it Bellator has been extremly lucky with injuries.
by MattParker117 on Jul 10, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Being former Army SF...
Tim Kennedy can beat any MW on any given night! although he only ran with the SF for a few years, he’s still capable of holding his own. no fighter will ever walk through Kennedy, he may get beat, but he’s gonna be a handful either way. i seriously doubt Kennedy is near the baddest man in SF. There are guys in highly classified SF units that could take out ANY ufc fighter! these are natural 200 lb guys that could defeat Anderson Silva and Brock Lesnar.
Well wtf
Isn’t Kennedy one fight off a challengers card?
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by II SMASH II on Jul 10, 2010 4:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
True
But Kennedy is awesome and I am glad to see him get a shot.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 10, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
which will kind of make me sad. I LOVE Jacare, but there is something about Tim that I can’t help but get behind. He just has such a great story and is super fun to watch.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 10, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess they are making due with what they have
Kennedy did impress me in his last fight, but this seems like a desperation move that really cheapens the belt in my opinion. Is it because Strikeforce couldn’t get fighters to commit to 185 or is it because fighters don’t want to commit to Strikeforces title clause?
Deputy Travis Junior: I don't think there was a real reason for Jones to hit Garcia, cause Garcia's a man who's already down. Garcia ain't got friends, he lives in a little shitty apartment, he don't have no family that I know of. He ain't got no taste. He's racist, he's a sexist, he's a lying bigot horse's ass. I think, you know, hitting him is just throwing shit in front of a shit pile that's already got too much shit in it.
by II SMASH II on Jul 10, 2010 6:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How about a 4 man tournament
Jacare, Kennedy, Lawler, and Miller? I’m positive all those guys are staying at 185. Coker just blew this one.
by IWillPartyHard on Jul 10, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
And
once again Strikeforce proves it is been run by idiots.
Coker should write a book called “How To Ruin Your Company In 5 Easy Steps”
- Throw your number one draw female fighter into the same cage with a woman that should be fighting males.
- Give title shots to losers
- Sign fighters to big contracts that are on the verge of retiring.
- Have Frank Shamrock commentating.
- Have other companies like Showtime/CBS run your company.
Other options
for chapter titles:
1/ Sign steroid inflated ex pro wrestler’s with little to no MMA talent in the unlikely hope of emulating Brock Lesnar.
2/ Tout a middleweight tourney full of good names only to drop it and make a much less appealing title fight.
Yeah,Coker really knows his s**t!
I don’t know who Strikeforce has funding them but surely the money can’t last much longer.
I mean,they must be well in defecit.
A company that operates like they do can’t be turning a profit.
Every legit Reporter says they are turning Profit
Not much but they are turning Profit
Breen said it.
They are turning a profit...
Just barely, but from every source I’ve read it’s entirely due to their Showtime deal. Something something all their eggs in one basket something something.
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I think Strikeforce will be happy if Feijao has the same name recognition of a Brazilian national soccer player would have in a World Cup year in the one of five states that has two ODP teams and in a city that is 40% Hispanic.
No, that will be called Strikeforce: Extinction
Because the UFC would sink them.
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no
that’s the reason there will never be a PPV
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Oughta be a badass fight
Of the fighters available I’d say jacare vs. kennedy is the best they can do for the time being.
I love the matchup!
Souza is going to take this (Huge Fan)…But Kennedy is bad ass. Although from what i was reading earlier, I believe they were still planning on doing the MW Tournament, which i hope is True and have the Winner face Either Kennedy/ Souza. That will help a lot more in creating a SF rankings instead of just the Tournament alone.
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I think people are missing the actual plan
Strikeforce is going to do both, At least that is what they have been saying:
The other thing too is maybe we have a fight between now and when the tournament starts to crown a new champion, and then the tournament champion would fight the current champion."
Having Jacare and Kennedy fight for the title without taking part in the tourney makes sense for two reasons:
- They’ll need a champ if the rumored Strikeforce vs Bellator card comes to fruition. Bellator wont want to risk Hector against a noteworthy opponent. Man, I hope this rumor is true.
- Neither Kennedy or Jacare have the stain of losing to Shields. Something their other big MW – Lawlor, Miller, and Hendo – can’t claim. Their probably trying to protect themselves from claims that their fighters are all second to Jake.
This highlights one of Strikeforce’s biggest problem; framing the story. In the UFC Brock can be pitted against Couture for the title with a single victory or Maia can fill in for Chael and Belfort after losing to Marguardt and no one bats an eye. Why? Because they keep us informed as to why they’re doing it. Things don’t seem thrown together half-assed because they are ahead of the story. Strikeforce leaks info and then sits back while everyone tries to figure out what they are really planning, filling in the holes for themselves because Strikeforce can’t be bothered, or more likely with the size of their staff likely don’t have the time to tell us what the fuck is going on. By the time they get around to it someone else has already written the storyline.
by John Nash on Jul 10, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
You said it perfectly...
I truly believe it is their relatively small staff size (10 people give or take 2) that is at the core of their problems with keeping informed as you say. The UFC undoubtedly has much greater staffing, but we must also realize that it takes time and resources to expand in staffing…something that the UFC has had 9 Year head start to reach their current entity. Altough it has been only a 1.5 years since SF has moved towards National expansion, i would hope they are looking into addressing this issue asap.
IMO They have turned out to APPEAR idiotic in the end to the fans, because they usually fail to set any narrative to their decisons which in most cases the Media/fans and individuals such as Dana White to fill in the Narrative with negative and misleading information about their actions. The moves are not idiotic but b/c there is no narrative at the present point, the narrative is created after events transpire, where HINDSIGHT is 20/20. Therfore they now look idiotic.
Case in point – Jake Shields, right from the get go they could have informed fans that the Contrack with Shields was Inherited from EliteXC and never included a Championship Clause and the WHOLE time Shields wanted to wait for Free Agency No matter what. Instead they were made to look incompetent b/c everyone was mislead into thinking that SF negotiated the contract and were MORONS to not have the inclusion of the championship clause.
And the naratives they do set back them into a corner.. sounds like they are morons to me. They’ve had plenty of mistakes to learn from and they seemingly ignore them.
by sadface on Jul 10, 2010 9:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The thing with Shields is that yes he was under the EliteXC contract and yes he was always vocal that he wanted to go to the UFC, so why did Strikeforce headline so many events with him and why did they put a belt on him? It doesn’t take hindsight to look at the fact that Jake Shields has been saying he wants to go to the UFC since before Strikeforce bought out his EliteXC contract. People could see this coming for quite a while now so why couldn’t Strikeforce?
You can go through several Strikeforce decisions and find that they were not only questioned by fans with hindsight they were questioned right from the start due to things everyone already knew. It’s not like casual fans or the mainstream media is questioning Strikeforce (those two groups barely know they exist) it’s hardcore fans and the internet MMA media that questions these decisions and those people don’t need Dana White to fill in the narrative they are keeping up with it themselves from the start.
I think in the Shields case, in hindsight the obviously shot themselves in the foot, but for some reason i believe they had 3 fights with Shields and they gave him everthing they could possibly give to him, in the case of him fighting at 185 he did so under the guise that he did not want to fight Nick Diaz at 170 due to being teammates all in the HOPE that Shields would show some sort of Loyalty to the company, after attempting to satisfy his demands. Of course that is not how it turned out. SF was in a lose-lose position. Do you bench Shields (ala UFC and Arlovski) or bury him on the undercard with 3 fights or do you put him in good positions regardless of the benefits and negatives to your own company. Thus showing other fighters that the product that you are presenting is one that other fighters ought to desire to join by putting the FIGHTERS FIRST AND FOREMOST before the BRAND.
It is true that most that follow SF are us Hardcore fans, and thus dedicated to following the sport and therefore knowledgeable. Nevertheless the talking points is mostly put foward by the Media and thus has a greater influence of the perspectives of its readers.
Jake Shields three Strikeforce events were a headlining Showtime fight, a co-headlining championship fight on CBS and a headlining championship fight on CBS. They didn’t give Nick Diaz two CBS fights(more/less headling spots on CBS), heck Nick hasn’t been on a Strikeforce CBS card at all. This isn’t about them showing they put the fighters before the brand it’s them pushing Jake Shields in the biggest fights on the biggest shows, heck they have had Jake Shields in more prime spots in more big events than anyone else in the company, including Fedor. It’s not like they couldn’t of just put him in three Showtime cards in three good fights (like they did with Nick Diaz) but they chose to push him to the moon instead.
Nevertheless the talking points is mostly put foward by the Media and thus has a greater influence of the perspectives of its readers.
The talking points that lead to discussions like this come straight from Scott Coker, if it wasn’t for him telling anyone who would listen that they were going to have this huge Middleweight tournament then no one else would be talking about it at all. Someone needs to explain to Scott Coker that he needs to actually talk to people and plan a bit before he goes off and runs his mouth to the media about what Strikeforce is going to do. He’s the reason they look so confused about what they are doing all the time because so much of this is based on the things he says.
I'm sure that Coker would love to put Nick Diaz
on his biggest cards but I really doubt CBS is interested in airing a card featuring a guy who’s failed (and failed to show up for) so many drug tests.
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I agree but why would you push Jake Shields on their biggest cards when he’s made it obvious from day one that he had his eyes on the UFC? He’s just as big of an issue as Nick Diaz is, just in a different way (not to mention not as exciting to watch fight). Strikeforce has had two CBS events and they headlined/co-headlined both of them with Jake Shields, Not even Cung Le or Frank Shamrock have had Strikeforce fights at that level of exposure. Heck Jake has even been pushed more in major Strikeforce events than Fedor has. he has been booked like he was the top fighter in the whole organization but they knew they would probably lose him after his contract from the time they bought out EliteXC.
oh i agree about shields
i’m just saying nick diaz had other issues that kept him off the cbs cards.
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Nick wasn’t even on the last CBS card and he still made a mess of it :D
Still if they are willing to go with freaking Dave Batista then they could really draw some eyes if they went ahead and just started pushing Nick as MMA’s “badboy” and let him do his thing, he may be trouble but if pushed right that could also be ratings gold for them (and unlike freakshows Diaz can actually fight too).
Like i said Hindsight is 20/20. If you are SF you would like to think that when you promote a fighter as they did, he would show some loyalty to a company. Due to him stating in public that he would give SF a balanced opportunity to resigning with them as opposed to leaving for the UFC, but once SF saw Shields with Dana at one of the UFC shows. They knew he was gone. Everything in life is 20/20 when we look back, but as we live our lives it is far from clear as people would like to think. Something that should’nt really need to be said.
Dana flat out stated that he was going to either sign Shields or get into a bidding war for him to make him very expensive for Strikeforce to sign even before the Dan Henderson fight. Heck the booking for the Henderson fight really appeared to be them trying to get the belt off Shields before he left them. The photo op with White while bad didn’t reveal anything that everyone (including Strikeforce) already knew, Dana was going to make a serious play for Shields and Jake was interested in what he had to say. This isn’t a hindsight issue at all, people were talking about this problem since EliteXC failed. Shields has never been secretive about his want to fight in the UFC.
I don’t deny his open desire to fight in the UFC, but publicly he was stating that he also had a desire to stay in SF for the right deal. Business is Business. I think they offered something hoping to get negotions going but when they saw that he wasn’t intrested in negotiating they decided to just cut their ties. Not an enviable postion to be in they were in a lose-lose situation. Had he been willing to negotiate he might have stayed for an inflated amount. Something i think SF realized but were willing to do so to a certain point in terms of Cost.
Strikeforce wasn’t going to ever offer a big contract to Shields nor were they going to get into a bidding war with the UFC. Jake and Strikeforce just disagreed on what his value to Strikeforce was and they weren’t going to put the numbers together. The writing was on the wall for this one for a long time now. It has nothing to do with company loyalty, this is about who is going to pay them the most money and give them the best fights.
It might be why they set him up to lose against Henderson, etc.
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Yes but that turned out to be another real headscratcher moment. They booked him to headline one of their most important cards ever, made a big deal about how great his opponent was and they just hoped he would lose? Yea that was a great idea that turned out wonderfully for them.
I don’t get HOW anyone can say this…How is it setting him up to lose? It wasn’t like they were fighting for a Vacant Title. Shields was DEFEDNING his MW Title. It was only natural for Henderson to fight for the Title as he was the Highest Ranked MW they had. If the Champion is the underdog so be it, if he is the Better fighter that night he will win.
It wasn’t that at all. Its the way they were presenting the fight. It wasn’t “watch the underdog champ versus an mma legend”. It was let’s set up a natural 170 against a natural 205 and have dan beat his ass, send him to the ufc on a loss.
by sadface on Jul 11, 2010 1:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The big thing that they needed from the tournament was to actually make some names out of a lot of their middleweight talent. They have some good talent but not a lot of names that people follow, a tournament is a good way to put guys like Kennedy and Jacare in the public eye where as having these two guys come out of nowhere and fight for the belt really just looks odd. Until recently Kennedy was fighting on ShoMMA events and Jacare has only had 2 fights in Strikeforce, before that he was in Japan. Both guys are really good but if this wasn’t for a belt it wouldn’t be surprising to see this fight headlining a ShoMMA event too. These two guys needed the tournament to establish themselves with US fans. Yes they haven’t lost to Shields but then just how many people out there watching know that (or anything about them)? These two aren’t known enough to headline/co-headline a major event.
This highlights one of Strikeforce’s biggest problem; framing the story.
I agree with this but for a different reason than you pointed out. Scott Coker is apparently a really great guy and all but someone needs to tell him to shut the hell up about stuff until they actually have figured out what they are going to do. Coker shouldn’t of even mentioned a tournament at all until they had talked to their fighters and put a plan for this together. Heck he’s still been talking about Babalu fighting in contender’s fights at 205lbs, it’s Coker who is framing the story of Strikeforce being a confused mess because he keeps telling us all this stuff.
by who me on Jul 10, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys are f'n crazy
Complaining about everything non UFC.
Do you really think a tourney has more or less casual appeal than a single title fight?
Seriously?
Mo/Feijao and Jacare/Kennedy are 2 great fights.
Kennedy could be an appealing fighter to US Fans if properly promoted.
Mo always likes to talk trash and Lashley is gonna be on the card as well..
Yes, I seriously think a Tourney has way more casual appeal than a Kennedy v Souza title fight. Being that a Kennedy v Souza title fight has absolutely no casual appeal. Casuals can get into a tourney. Instead we have a guy who just beat Joey Villasenor versus a guy who just beat Trevor Prangley fighting for the title. I’m sorry, but this is lame. A Souza v Mayhem rematch would have been more compelling, at least casuals know who Mayhem is.
by IWillPartyHard on Jul 10, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes it’s Kid Nate and his damn negative attitude to everything non-UFC………… Never mind that a month ago he was accused of only writing articles that were negative of the UFC you’ve seen right through that……….
Not sure if it’s “those guys” who are crazy or the goofs that keep complaining about the articles.
hey don't forget that i'm a sleazy tabloid writer
who focuses on salacious gossip to get page views at any cost.
which is why i spend so much time on the judo chops, btw. me and perez hilton are always swapping BJJ tips.
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Yeah but haven’t you noticed he always forgets to say the last J?
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'll rec the hell out of that.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
by Geno Mrosko on Jul 10, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
even though I am sad and bitter I didn’t get here in time to make that joke myself.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 10, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the second joke I thought of the first one might have gotten me banned, even though Kid Nate would have chuckled he still wold have banished my ass to WKR.
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 11, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think a tourney has more or less casual appeal than a single title fight?
Seriously?
There’s this thing called March Madness. You might have heard of it. It’s when half of America starts giving a fuck about college basketball because it’s one gigantic tournament. Most of these teams are basically scrubs, but the tournament format sells it, and you also get Cinderella teams, much like new stars being made in tournaments in Japan. When someone gets a lot further into one than was predicted, it is star-making, like Joe Warren or Michihiro Omigawa in Japan. Maybe the brackets aren’t set in stone, but there’s no guesswork about how far everyone is from the title: it’s the same number of fights for everyone until only one guy is left.
Furthermore it’d make it very easy to help fill up their upcoming cards with tournament matches. You could put tournament matches on their Challengers cards, and you’d suddenly have a match on a Challengers card that has near-term title implications. It should be a no-brainer to sell a tournament. The only problem is at the end of it, only one guy comes out as the winner, and everyone else has to be built up coming off a loss. It still does wonders to establish a credible Champion though, and help connect that person with the audience through consecutive wins, and that’s really what SF needs right now.
by Chromium on Jul 11, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
March Madness pools are a side effect of how popular March Madness is not the other way around. Just like all the other big ball sports in the US, tournament time is the time the majority of people actually pay attention to the sport.
I disagree
I think gambling plays a huge role in it’s popularity. Why the hell would I watch a 8/9 game unless I had money on it?
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I was listening to The Jason Ellis Show and Mayhem was on there and he was so pumped fo this tournament. I wonder who would not sign on for the idea.
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I used to like Mayhem a lot but more and more he’s just getting annoying. By the way took your advice on the godaddy thing.
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions
you smashed Danica Patrick?
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 10, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
nice Mel Gibson sig, bro
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 10, 2010 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Mickey Rourke's response
“Screw the bitch”
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I posted this 4 days ago.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/7/7/1556187/no-tournament-for-the-strikeforce
It’s really amazing to me that Strikeforce is able to run their operations the way they do. I wonder how long they will last.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
It’s part of the greatness that is BE, hard to miss any news when everyone is on top of their game
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes sir.
Shit, these days, with the people on this site, we are getting news in the fanposts and fanshots plenty. It’s pretty sweet. Makes it to where I don’t have to go to that many other websites.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
The joys of laziness
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
and by that I mean I’m lazy and don’t want to check more than one site for news.
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I know what you mean.
I, too, am lazy that way. No site is set up as well as this one. I find so much to hate about every other MMA site I go to. There are some good ones out there, no doubt, but nothing on the level of this.
I hope the news coming from the fanposts and fanshots continues. Hopefully bickering about posting it first or not getting credit doesn’t kill it off.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Damnit
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The Clock is ticking for Strikeforce.....
The mismanagement, being controlled by outside forces (M1, CBS, Showtime), treating their champions like shit, etc. They have maybe a year, if they are lucky. Hopefully, the rumored Bellator vs Strikeforce won’t happen. If it does, Bellator may get dragged down with Strikeforce when Vadim and company finally bleed Coker’s little company dry. I want Bellator to succeed. However, I want to see the blight of Strikeforce purged from the world of MMA.
I'm incredibly critical of some of Strikeforce's decisions but
They aren’t losing money, they aren’t being bled dry by M-1 and they won’t be gone in a year. Get your facts straight please.
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They’ll be around at least until Spring of 2012.
by John Nash on Jul 10, 2010 8:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You don’t think millions of dollars to Fedor and Vadim when your live gate per event is generally a million or less doesn’t lead to them being bled dry? Keep watching, son, and we’ll see who has their facts straight.
by Mark Darrah on Jul 11, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
i dont know if they are being bled dry
but they dont appear to be making shitloads of cash
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I really don't understand
all the Strikeforce hate. I do understand that the promotion is disorganized, i.e. saying one thing then flipping, but they can work those things out with time.
What would a tournament have done but blow through all their MWs in a short time? It works for Bellator because they’re basically a start-up and can afford a one & done contract with their fighters. I really don’t understand why Bellator continues the tournament when they have an established champ in a division, I mean it hurt the hell out of the Roger Huerta (and Hornbuckle) signing for both sides. I could fathom a 4-fighter tourney, but it would still really pinpoint their minor league status…Coker should never have announced that. I prefer the Challenger series to tournaments, its a weeding out process that achieves the same goal & helps fighters out in the long run with preparation.
Strikeforce has decent fights, interesting cross promotion & a legit (if thin) stable of fighters. MMA fans seem to forget the business side of fighting; the contracts, managers, TV/PPV affiliates, and advertising…it is all a part of the MMA promotional machine. The UFC is the top in depth of talent, but they can’t sign everyone.
I wouldn’t want to see Strikeforce/CBS bow out of MMA promotion. We would lose another step in establishing it as a mainstream sport and a lot of fighters would be back to regional circuits, which are far more horrible than Strikeforce, right? It’s like chopping off your toe because it doesn’t look like the others…unless that toe is some sort of weird mutant like EliteXC.
Who's the only one here who knows illegal ninja moves from the government?
…if there is no tournament, that to me indicates that they couldn’t get 8 guys to commit to fighting at 185 pounds. If there really isn’t a tournament at the end of the day, that is a red flag about this promotion.
Gotta agree with Zach Arnold, if the tourney really doesn’t happen and Jacare/Kennedy is it, I think it’s telling that Coker couldn’t get most of the names he was throwing around like Hendo, Le, and Diaz to compete for a title. This and stuff like giving title shots to the losers of matches makes it hard to take their titles seriously.
I'm here around the Houston area and there's no buzz for this unlike UFC 69 (lol he said 69)
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 10, 2010 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think that is even a controversial opinion. Jacare would crush Sonnen. Its a stylistic matchup that i could’nt ever see to benefit Sonnen.
If Chael could stay disciplined and not follow Jacare to the ground, I could see him pulling off a sprawl & brawl gameplan like he used against Filho. Getting through the first round would be a bitch, but Chael could jab & jog his way to victory in rounds two and three against the gassin’ gator.
I have seen no evidence that Sonnen has the discipline to execute such a plan against an opponent not undergoing a mental health crisis.
by JRN on Jul 11, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sonnen would get wrecked on the ground by Jacare.
by MMABookworm on Jul 10, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he would give him the old Lindland treatment and I would love to see that happen.
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacare beats him on the feet
and absolutely ROLLS him on the ground.
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by Chris Barton on Jul 10, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn’t a bad fight, but I’d MUCH rather see Jacare take on Henderson.
I really hate that Strikeforce isn’t doing the tournie though because it’s the tournament format would be the one thing that the UFC can’t offer.
I don't think Hendo
wants to fight at 185 anymore. he never liked cutting weight, has historically had his best performances at 205lbs and now that he’s older I think he really hates cutting weight.
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StrikeForce has failed pretty badly in this regard. Okay, they do women’s matches. That’s one thing. They’re not at all disciplined with the way they book them, but they aren’t disciplined about any of their booking period.
They should have done featherweights. Not everyone who watches StrikeForce also watches the WEC. SF is still a higher platform than the UFC’s sister fed right now. Furthermore Flyweights aren’t paid as well by Zuffa as fighters in higher weight classes, so it wouldn’t have been as hard to get a number of top Flyweights. Yeah, there aren’t that many name Flyweights, but because of that they could have put on a 16-man tournament and it wouldn’t have mattered if some guys were unknown or didn’t have great records, they way they needed 8 solid MWs to make that tournament solid. They could’ve done a year-long FW tournament and they would have developed stars along the way. Why they couldn’t pull that off, I don’t know. I used to think Coker was a smart guy, but if he is, he’s lost control of his promotion.
^^^^^Flyweights = Featherweights
arrrgghhh. Goddammit.
Well just to add confusion. Inside MMA was reporting that the tournament was on but Kennedy would get a free pass to the final round. Definitely time for an official statement there Coker.
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Statement from CBS or Showtime will suffice shit someone call Vadim
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Vadim would just tell us that Karl Amoussou is the “uncrowned” Striekforce middleweight champion. At this point a press release from EA sports on the subject would be more reliable than Coker releasing a statement.
by who me on Jul 10, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
EA sports
classic
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
God help me
I’m a Shinya Aoki fan.
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 11, 2010 2:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I know
it’s horrible…
ALL OF YOU LISTEN TO MEE, DON'T DISTURB HERE, I WILL CALL POLICE CATCH YOU, DON'T COME TO MY BANGOLOW HOUSE, UNDERSTAND, O.K. I HATE ALL OF YOU.
by Chris Barton on Jul 11, 2010 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions
We need help
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Shinya Aoki is plainly awesome. He looks like a nerd, he dresses funny, he basically doesn’t throw punches, and he still wins MMA fights left and right with like ten different submission holds. If other people can’t appreciate that, that’s their problem.
I love his Shooto fight
when he snaps the American fighters arm while standing.
Link anyone?
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
Scrapping the one idea that could give Strikeforce momentum
“Marketing Genius” Scott Coker strikes again.
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