Shinya Aoki vs. Gilbert Melendez II: Why We Should All Be Excited
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
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PrintShinya Aoki was considered by many to be the favorite for this morning's bout with fellow Japanese lightweight star Tatsuya Kawajiri, but nobody could have expected the nature in which he would emerge victorious. It only took Aoki 1:53 seconds to finish off a vicious achilles lock that he twisted and mangled for nearly that entire duration. Kawajiri-- long considered the favorite to dethrone Aoki as DREAM's 155 pound kingpin, was left humbled and badly hurt. How quickly onlookers forget the same humility that Aoki felt after his five round drubbing at the hands of Strikeforce lightweight title holder Gilbert "El Nino" Melendez.
After his victory, Shinya announced that he would be facing Melendez in a rematch this September at DREAM.16-- a comment which is, thus far, uncorroborated by Coker and Melendez. It took all of that one minute and 53 seconds for people to find such a suggestion more compelling than foolish. What could Aoki have possibly learned in his first bout with Melendez to make him so hasty to have a return bout with a fighter who hasn't lost in over two years and dominated him for 25 minutes just three months ago?
Some would say that Aoki, who is emotional by nature, has proven in defeating a powerful wrestle-boxer like Kawajiri, that not only is he mentally unshaken by his April loss to Gil, but that he either feels confident about his new approach to that style of fighter, or that he is more at home in the ring against them. Some part of me feels that Aoki decided against wearing his magic pants at DREAM.15 to exhibit to onlookers, including Melendez, that he doesn't need them to successfully employ his all-world jiu jitsu assault. It might sound unreasonable to suggest this, but it's possible that Melendez is not as confident about a rematch as he possibly should be, given all of the above and his inability to finish Aoki in their first tilt.
I picked Aoki in their first bout and was sadly mistaken. Before the bell sounded this morning at the Saitama Super Arena, I would have called a rematch silly and picked Gilbert without hesitation. It didn't just take Aoki 1:53 to gain the confidence to bravely confront Melendez for the rematch he may have originally expected a year further down the road. I'm personally prepared to pick Aoki in their rematch and I can't wait for DREAM.16 if this fight does, in fact, come to fruition.
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Dude, I hate your guys’ editor. If someone wants to clean up the border space, feel free to. This damn thing ignores most of the HTML I input.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
We should all be excited
Because Aoki is going to get shit kicked again.
Best part of last night? The exposure of Crusher.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, yeah
We already know how you feel about all of these guys..
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It would have been worse for me had Crusher won – then we’d hear about how DREAM should’ve sent him to fight Melendez, he’s a better Sean Sherk, he’d beat BJ, she poops rainbows… wait, that was someone else… anyway, that scene is only capable of producing one or two real contenders per division, and instead of doing that with Crusher, they ate each other.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
how was Crusher exposed?
talk about an overused term. anyone alive excepting true BJJ kings like B.J. Penn could get tapped out by Aoki in the first round. There’s no shame in getting caught by Aoki. None.
Kawajiri could walk into the UFC or Strikeforce divisions as soon as he’s healed and more than hold his own.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 10, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think he’d get bounced out. I just haven’t seen anything from Kawa that suggests he could handle the UFC’s vast middle level of wrestle-boxers.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
So we're back to the logic of before the Melendez bout?
Where Aoki can magically hang with the greater proportion of North American Wrestle/Boxers with decent sub defense and we can all got back to ignoring how the Melendez bout made him look completely powerless against the exact type of fighter that now dominates the North American LW rankings? You know, because he beat a guy that never beat any of those guys but resembled them?
by Enmascarado on Jul 11, 2010 5:28 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Look...
I liked living in that dream world where Japanese fighters could be successful outside of Japan. But let’s be real with ourselves. You saying Kawajiri would be able to hold his own in Strikeforce is possible. I’m just not seeing it happen with the UFC. I’ve been burned to many times. Japanese fighters look good against themselves. Maybe it’s the flight over.
by Crazynutts on Jul 11, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, is there a trash compactor for these guys?
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks d00d!
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by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see anything in this bout that makes me think Aoki would fare any better in a rematch with Melendez. But fighting in Japan could give Aoki an edge.
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He fought a wrestler/boxer in a ring and beat him in under 2:00 minutes. Gilbert can’t pressure him with the cage serving as a barrier and he won’t be made to stand up when he tries to pull guard (which Gil will be aware of). Plus, you’re clearly ignoring the psychological aspect— that Aoki clearly thinks he’s learned his lesson and was undeterred by the near-identical fighting style of Kawajiri. To say you saw nothing means you weren’t looking.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He beat Eddie Alvarez in almost the exact same manner last year
and as for the win being unpredictable — this is the only way Aoki was going to win — quick submission. He very nearly tapped out Melendez in the first round of their fight. If Crusher had managed to survive the early blitz, he could’ve very well dominated Aoki the rest of the way.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 10, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he didn't
And as I said below, he’s not kicking himself for not seeing if he could weather the onslaught. I honestly think he’ll be more at home in the ring, not being made to stand when he butt scoots, and having gone through that 25 minutes of battle with Gil. I’m picking him to win the rematch, but not without reservation. I give him about a 40 percent chance, but it’s a chance I’m gambling on.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Just watched the 1st round of that fight again.
Aoki was nowhere near tapping Melendez.
by Bill Rivers on Jul 12, 2010 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I thought the same thing.
But I couldn’t remember for sure.
Live it seemed like a clean sweep for Melendez. 50-45
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by RolloTomasi on Jul 12, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Attaboy.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 13, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Aoki is like an octopus – once he wraps a limb around you, it’s a matter of time until he squeezes you into submission. The trick is not letting him get that first grasp on you. I think Gil can do it again, and for the sake of his appendages, I hope so.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 10, 2010 12:52 PM EDT reply actions
It certainly wouldn’t be crazy to pick the other way. I guess my point is that this is suddenly intriguing when it was out of the question just last night, and I’m desperate for reasons to want to watch Japanese MMA.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it seems like a lot of the smaller shows (DEEP, Shooto, etc) put on good, if not meaningful fights, but there isn’t anything the caliber of the UFC anymore. Many of the Japan-based fighters have been trounced elsewhere, and it isn’t as fun anymore. The night crew was fun for the little I read last night, though (fucking allergies).
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 10, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I was in it for the long haul last night/this morning. Okay show, overall. And yeah— fuck allergies. I went from having none five years ago to feeling worse than when I get the flu when it gets warm out now.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
90-Deg Heat + 90% Humidity + Allergy + Thunderstorms = Louisiana Summer.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 10, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Unlike Crusher, Gil isn't an idiot and he'd tap.
Man, Kawajiri’s leg is never gonna be the same, just like what happened after Frye/Shamrock.
I am very worried of this. He was at the point that he should have tapped at least three times. Being a tough guy by refusing to go out from a choke is one thing, an arm is another, but a leg? That is seriously dangerous territory.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That shit was in Frye/Shamrock territory.
I honestly don’t think Kawa will come back from it at 100%.
Aoki won't win
Aoki will not win a rematch. You really think he’s improved that much in a few months? come on man. Melendez made him look like an amateur in that fight. I was right there… couldn’t believe what i was seeing really. I picked Aoki in that fight too. Really like the guy, but Melendez proved he’s on another level.
I know that a lot of people are going to say this, but I made a lot of potentially valid points and I’d like to hear why people think the ring, not getting stood up, what he learned in the first fight/training for Kawajiri, Melendez’s inability to finish him, etc, are not somehow contributing factors in a rematch.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
the crab walk not being allowed really hurt Aoki as did the cage
I’d give him excellent odds against Melendez in Japan in a ring.
Does no one remember that Aoki was threatening to sub Gil early on in that fight?
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Oh, I remember
I think it’s the last 20 or so minutes that made the whole bout a blur for most people. It was a lot of repetition involving Gil moving in and out and Aoki butt-scooting around and being made to stand up.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Aoki was also punched in the face numerous times after that early, failed submission attempt.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
=Gil moving in and out
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
What would he have gained by being allowed to crab walk?
Maybe I’m forgetting something, but I don’t remember thinking that ANY of the standups helped Aoki much. I mean, yes he had a low % possibility of grabbing a sub via crab walking, but I didn’t think he was every doing much effective with it at all.
That said, I’m with you on the cage part. I think in the ring, Aoki’s style (including butt-scooting/crab-walking) is MUCH more effective.
Aoki can get take downs
and leap into leg locks AND flying arm bars when crab walking. the guy is a terrorist.
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He can do that in the ring. I’ve seen all his fights, and his flashy judo/juijitsu works very well there.
I saw zero sign that Aoki would be able to use it effectively in the cage.
Look, guys have trouble cornering fighters in the Cage when they are both standing-up. It’s got to be that much harder still to corner someone in the cage crabwalk/but-scooting.
I agree that I’d rather just let the ref let the guy do what he wants. But I have rather severe reservations about Aoki or anyone else using it effectively in a cage.
let's let Melendez and Aoki
determine if the technique is viable in a cage or not, we don’t need Mario Yamasaki making that decision.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 11, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Then there should be soccer kicks. Crab walking toward an opponent is basically refusing to fight standing which is bs. To successfully defend against this tremendously aggressive technique you need to slowly walk backwards and circle. You don’t think the ref should stand them up at some point?
by rask4p on Jul 13, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
the guy is a terrorist.
Well, there goes his chance to fight in Strikeforce again…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jul 11, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
good job Nate, you just got Aoki put on a no-fly list
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No he cant get takedowns.
He grabs a single and pulls guard and the fighters he faces in Japan arent good enough to stand up.
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What does Melendez gain by fighting Aoki in Japan in a ring?
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by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions
If he wins
he would own Aoki for life.
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meh
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by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right
I wanted the Crusher t take it last. – man, did I want him to take it – but Aoki proved why it wasn’t a fluke that he ran through a who’s who of lws. If you give him an opening, or more importantly a limb, you are screwed. Maybe Gilbert has got his number, Or maybe Gilbert was lucky Aoki didn’t once in 25 minutes find an opening. Either way, I am no officially intrigued by a rematch.
Hopefully we still get see Kawajiri take on Josh Thomson or Beerbohm. Even better, I hope it’s stateside. I still think the guy can prove he’s a force to be reckoned with at LW.
by John Nash on Jul 10, 2010 1:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Personally, I’m just hoping Tatsuya’s leg isn’t destroyed and that he’ll be back in the gym before the end of the year.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it good
that he got this win over that type of fighter? Absolutely. However, Aoki will beat just about anyone, when he grabs on to a limb that early in the fight. I think we need to see more of a fight, before we can say he is now equipped to beat solid wrestlers on a consistent basis.
Well
I personally think it isn’t fair that a guy wins in short order and didn’t prove anything. You hear a lot of that for some reason. I didn’t say he negated his wrestling, you’ll notice— but I think a lot of what I’ve said is applicable here. I doubt he’s telling himself “shit, I need another wrestler to tune up for Gil, because I’m not sure I could have sprawled Crusher if he had the chance”.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
fighters need rounds, etc…
not saying that Aoki isn’t or is ready for a rematch, simply because I didn’t see enough to determine it. Aoki got dominated by Gilbert and the internet was over him, now he beats Kawajiri and all of a sudden he is ready for part 2. I’m guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle. What’s the rush for a rematch?
If Chuck had KO’d Franklin early, would we all say his chin is good to go? Just saying I need more evidence. Maybe a grappling match with Fedor?
Added a poll
And yes, I’m aware I spelled it Shiny.
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I'd give aoki about a 20% chance in a rematch
He will always have that ability to latch on a submission, but i think melendez is a smarter, stronger, quicker version of kawajiri whick lowers aokis chances alot imo.
The ring and home advantage will give aoki a better chance than last time. I dont think it will be enough though to propel him to victory
Horrible Article
How you can even sit back and compare Kawajiri to Melendez is laughable. Aoki was completely outclassed when he met Melendez. On the ground Melendez controlled him from the top and standing he completely destroyed him. Kawajiri may have been on a 4 fight winning streak but compare the quality of opponents and strength of defeats between Melendez and Kawajiri and you will see the glaring difference in level of opponents they’ve been fighting. Plus Kawaijiri already has a loss to Melendez back in 2006. I think it just needs to be accepted that Aoki cannot compete with the upper echelon of 155’ers in the USA.
I do not want to see Aoki fight Melendez again, for him to even have the right I think he needs to beat a top 10 155’er before even being put in talks for a rematch with Melendez. He lost so badly against Melendez…..there is no reason for a rematch now until Aoki proves himself.
Glaring difference?
They swim in the same pool. Kawajiri has defeated Shaolin, Hansen, JZ, Yves Edwards… You have no idea what you’re talking about.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The JZ he fought was a shell of the JZ that showed so much promise. With the knee problems etc he looked horrible. Kawajiri has lost a step, Melendez is ready for the UFC. Aoki is a can and will get embarassed again only this time it’ll be in japcan land.
Eh
I’d ease up. You managed to insult Tim Kennedy, Aoki and Kawajiri in your first two comments.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It isn’t exactly a fine line between fighter bashing and assertion of an opinion. You actually used the term “japcan”. Come on.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's already beaten a number of fighters
who were regarded as top 10 when they faced Aoki. Including Alvarez, Kawajiri, Hansen, JZ, etc.
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and LOL you are bringing up fights from 6-7 years ago. Kawajiri has lost a step since then. The only fighter Kawajiri has beaten worth a shit since 2006 is JZ who was fighting injured for the most part. It can also be argued that JZ hasn’t really beaten anyone either.
Hooray for revisionism and completely discrediting fighters moments after they lose!
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
one of my absolute least favorite things about MMA fans
George Washington wasn’t that great? Who’d he ever beat? The guy had wooden teeth for fuck’s sake.
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Rumor is he also grew some sweet sweet cheeba
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Washington was terrible!
You see how bad he lost Philly during the Battle of Brandywine? Fucking pathetic. Most overrated ever.
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Haha
Yeah, I really have a problem with the fickle nature of MMA fans. It’s no wonder some fighters just crash psychologically and spiral into oblivion when a single failure makes people wholly discredit their years upon years of hard work, dedication and sacrifice.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
It works both ways. Karo has fucked up all on his own and it’s hard but I’m still a fan of his.
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Well.. I’ll give a fighter way more grief for being a problem before he fights than I will for dropping a fight or two (which is not a specific reflection on Karo, so I don’t want to start an argument about him, by any means).
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Can’t argue that
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by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
These are the same people that argue that wins 5 or 6 years ago
determine who is the current p4p king. It’s shameless.
No one would bring up Shaun Alexander while arguing how good the Seahawks will be this year.
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by jebushchrist on Jul 11, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That comment
just tackled Shaun Alexander for a 3-yard loss.
BOOSH
by Farthammer on Jul 11, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
hehe
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by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Shaun Alexander
has more rushing yards and TD’s than Barrey Sanders and Hershal Walker
Just sayin’.
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He’s still completely done.
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by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
?
has more rushing yards and TD’s than Barrey Sanders and Hershal Walker
Shaun Alexander career rushing yards – 9,453
Barry Sanders career rushing yards – 15,269
No, you got it wrong man.
He said Barrey Sanders and Hershal Walker NOT Barry Sanders and Herschel Walker. Which would be:
Shaun Alexander career rushing yards – 9,453
Barrey Sanders career rushing yards – 0
Hershal Walker career rushing yards – 0
Technically, he’s right.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Herschel Walker
13,700+ yards as a pro
115 (Rushing) TD’s
All-Purpose Yards Leader, yadda yadda yadda
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 12, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to mention the main component of the most lopsided trade since Babe Ruth went for $100,000
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 13, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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by Charles Awad on Jul 13, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What's the deal on the gif?
Never seen that one before.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Oldie but a goodie – you know you’ve made it when smoogy makes something to mock you
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 13, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's put it this way
All the props that people give to Bo Jackson should be given to Herschel Walker.
Two sport athlete? Please.
Herschel set a world record in the 60-yard-dash, and was on the Olympic bobsled team.
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by Anthony Pace on Jul 13, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hershel
got run down by Adam Vinateri
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PS--
Umm… Kawajiri is a top 10 LW.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kawajiri is not a top 10 lw on my list. I don’t care what retarded list you follow. You’re going to sit here and defend these guys regardless. You saw the Aoki fight with Melendez….how you can think Aoki deservers a rematch after this fight and so quickly makes me laugh. It will be the same outcome.
Speaking of retarded lists....
I love when some fresh meat stumbles along and thinks they’ve got the definitive rankings list for MMA. It’s called the SBNation/USA Today Meta-Rankings.
Try being more aggressive. Your point isn’t getting across.
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by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fresh meat? I’ve been around for awhile, I don’t comment much but after reading your horrible article I had to comment. I don’t give a shit about the SB Nation rankings. The fact is Kawajiri hasn’t beaten anyone since 2006 worth a shit and his best wins were almost 7 yrs ago. How Aoki beating him shows he’s ready for melendez again is hilarious.
You saying things are “hilarious”, repeatedly typing “LOL” and saying everybody sucks is petulant and unintelligible. You clearly have no idea what you’re watching and don’t know anything about Japanese MMA, so maybe you should slide the manhole cover back over that cat’s head and let the adults have some intelligent conversation about the state of things while you commiserate with the other trolls down in the sewage system.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
I know plenty about mma and “Japanese MMA” I don’t miss an event and I watched this event live this morning. You’re just an obvious jap mma fan boy who refuses to look at the cold hard facts.
I’ve got about 12,000 comments for you to peruse to see how big of a “jap mma fan boy” I am. Pretty remarkable that someone that argues like you do has the nerve to say “this isn’t Sherdog”. Seemed like you took a wrong turn somewhere LOLOLOL.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This guy is gone already I’d imagine?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Between the fighter bashing and borderline epithets, could be.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to take either side
But this argument went down like just about every single argument in the comments section. Everyone is entrenched in their view of things, and the other guys is an idiot/newb/fresh-meat/fanboy/elitist/fedor-nuthugger/etc… for thinking otherwise.
Seriously, when was the last time someone has actually changed their opinion about something in the comments section after a back and forth? People won’t even concede anything, no matter how ludicrous their claims were.
This goes for the writers of the site, the regular commenters, and the guys who have only commented a few times. Literally everyone.
He thinks you’re completely wrong, you think he’s completely wrong, 15 comments later, same result. Hooray…..
by IWillPartyHard on Jul 10, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
short
and sweet.
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Amazing.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
I change my mind all the time based on things I read in the comments. like i was agreeing with you until I saw Chris thinks you’re an idiot.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jul 10, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was reading it expecting some gold from someones reply and Chris Nelson delivered.
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Horrible Article
Ok well you guys have fun. I’m going to go make a best of Kawajiri highlight video. Oh wait, I can’t….his highlights are so long ago it’s all still on VHS.
LOLOL
Good riddance.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't hear it either
Naturally, I assumed it happened without the cameras on him or something.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit. Does everyone speak Japanese but me now?
by Marvin Malehooves on Jul 10, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Mike Afromowitz (by way of 411mania)
Not til Gilbert Melendez is back from a hand injury.
Mikey's trying to play matchmaker
He also talked about JZ going to Strikeforce, which I assume Mikey has 0 control over.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jul 10, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
He doesn't have to
Considering JZ signed a deal.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Aoki's shot on Kawajiri looked better than usual
which indicates at least an increased focus on takedowns that aren’t absurd. With a decent single leg, his inhuman grip strength, and willingness to pull guard… Aoki will always be a scary guy.
That said, I think Melendez has a much stronger base and is quicker than Kawajiri, making those scramble to leglock sequences a tougher proposition. The other big problem is that Melendez trains with lengthy and dangerous ground fighters all day. While I don’t think Nick/Nate/Jake can replicate the speed or unpredictability of Aoki, they can easily drill the sequences and keep Melendez from leaving anything out.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 10, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
aoki got stomped the first time
no different the second time around
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
Ring, Cage, front porch,
It dosen’t matter, Gil is the better fighter.
The only way Aoki wins is a classic “Japan” judges dec.
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
I find it troubling that people illustrate such wide rifts when they are actually so narrow.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 10, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
More like the Dan Henderson vs Kazuo Misaki theft
at PRIDE Bushido 12
Dan got jobbed.
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Ricco anyone?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 10, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Or the classic Saku/Mezger "tie" after Saku did literally nothing in that fight?
That then led into the Saku “win” when Ken insisted Guy leave the Ring?
Such a bad decision.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jul 12, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Much as I love Aoki, this performance didn’t inspire too much confidence in me for a Melendez rematch.
One of the paradoxes of MMA (and probably some other combat sports, too) is that quick, one-sided finishes where the winner doesn’t struggle much are in some respects the least decisive, and leave the most questions. We saw no evidence that Aoki can take Kawajiri out of his game; what we got was Aoki asserting his strategy first. That’s commendable, of course, but I’d like his chances against Melendez better if what we saw was more like Aoki/Cavalcante than Aoki/Alvarez.
by JRN on Jul 10, 2010 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
Very good point.
"I see him beating Anderson Silva. I see him picking him apart. Him at a 131 years old...(trails off)." - Tito Ortiz on Vitor Belfort at Affliction:DOR
by Rundownloser on Jul 11, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
The thing is, is that we don't really know if Aoki has made the improvments he needs based off this fight because it was over so quik.
I think he needs to train more wrestling and stand up before he should fight el nino again
He needs
to pray…..Gil has his #.
USMC vet. MMA nut.
Sea-Town stay down!
Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Aoki didn't just lose to Melendez, he got dominated
So I find it really hard to believe the rematch is going to go all that different. It’s like saying Diego is going to come back and beat BJ. You can believe it, but I’d bet the house against it.
I'll reiterate my intentions with this article--
I’m not saying, by any means, that Aoki will win. The odds are against him. I’m saying that this fight now has some intrigue and that I’m picking him. Let’s face it— people around here don’t like picking Aoki and were looking for a reason to doubt his abilities and Melendez gave them one. I’m aware that my opinion on this matter is an unpopular one, and I’m fine with that. I’m troubled by the idea that people think Japanese fighters are inherently terrible because Aoki lost very badly to Gil. I’m of the opinion that Aoki is a top 10 LW and that any top 10 fighter can beat any other top ten fighter under the right circumstances, outside of the likes of BJ, Anderson, GSP, et al. Just because people don’t like Aoki’s emotional nature and one dimensional approach doesn’t mean the guy can’t overcome the odds. He’s done it many times in the past and will continue to do so.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
The consensus seems to be that Melendez exposed Aoki as someone who can’t compete with a wrestler/boxer. But that doesn’t add up, unless one ignores his victory over Eddie Alvarez as a fluke. And his victory over Kawijiri as fluke. And his victory over JZ Calvan (grappler/boxer but for all practical purposes the same) as a fluke as well. So which is it? A fighter who has gotten lucky 3 of the 4 times he’s fought a world class wrestler/boxer or maybe an amazing submission expert who can submit just about anyone when an opening presents itself? I know what I vote.
It says that 3 of the 4 weren’t world-class.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Aoki fight should just reaffirm what we know about Alvarez and Kawajiri; they both have a disposition to fight stupid and have numerous defensive liabilities that a gatekeeper like Aoki can expose.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
This could just as easily be spun another way, c.f. “this should just reaffirm what we already know about Aoki: he’s got the submission ability to be a threat even to world-class fighters like Alvarez and Kawajiri.”
Which one you prefer probably depends on what you’ve already decided to believe about the fighters in question.
Aoki’s just the mirror version of Paul Daley; Melendez and Koschek putting them in their respective places included.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s hard to spin Alvarez getting hurt in fights against nobodies in Belator.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You did manage to spin the fact that Alvarez had never been submitted before (nor has anyone done it since).
I think no matter what you argue with someone that clearly only considers 7-10 fighters world class is not worth it. This feels eerily similar to Lesnar/Carwin, where both fighters are being torn down needlessly.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It cheapens the meaning of the word otherwise. See Joe Rogan’s use of the term.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Alvarez has never been submitted before or after facing Aoki despite facing such deadly and acclaimed grapplers such as:
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by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Tony Imada (16 wins by sub)
Nick Thompson (22 wins by sub)
Aaron Riley (12 wins by sub)
But no, nobody ever wanted to submit him. Only Aoki. Right.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 11, 2010 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Wao, how did he beat that murderer’s row of journeyman fighters? Oh wait, he lost to Nick Thompson.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
And was submitted by none of them.
Oh wait, the goalposts moved? Nobody warned me you were a fucking moron. I guess it was on me to figure it out myself. G’day.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jul 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I see a trend with all of his comments since he started posting. Always downgrade the abilities of fighters outside of a certain promotion. Always. Reminds me of a more famous BE member but with none of the entertainment value.
No conspiracy. But that is obviously your objective. For your sake I hope you do work for Zuffa, because spending your free time on a crusade to expose the inferiority of non-Zuffa fighters would be a hell of a lot sadder.
Hey if that’s how you cognitive dissonance rationalizes all your invalid arguments being refuted then all the power to ya.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I guess it is one hell of a coincidence that over 90% of your posts are on non Zuffa articles and I can’t recall a single positive comment. Could be just like, or it could be you like to troll. Statistically what seems more likely?
I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware this site had a fairness doctrine.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re self-policed.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I was too busy using a vuvuzela
as a beer bong.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Not a soccer guy
So I guess I should be happy. That bad, huh?
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh...Terrible
You’d think hanging out with drunk hot chicks would be cool, but when you’re not drinking, the crowd is obnoxious, and the game is boring even that gets old quick.
A guy with a Japanese handle that shits all over the top Japanese fighter….. Go figure.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Argumentum verbosum fail.
Like… badly.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Haha
I was trying to find a good way to criticize that, but decided I better walk away.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don’t tell us more about how being TKOed instead of being submitted is a plus for Alvarez?
Or how replicating a feat accomplished by ten+ other fighters gives credence to some mythical “unsubmitted” streak?
You’re a right to feel frustrated, your illogical arguments won’t work here.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Alvarez has never been submitted before or after facing Aoki despite facing such deadly and acclaimed grapplers such as:
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Since PDL already mentioned some of Alvarez’s sub-savvy opponents, I’ll merely point out that if submission defense were really a major defensive liability for Alvarez, he might have been submitted in any of his fifteen fights before he faced Aoki, particularly when he was competing as a small welterweight. But it didn’t happen.
So you can choose to interpret the Aoki loss as demonstrating a glaring a defensive problem for Alvarez that hadn’t previously been identified, or you can look at it as evidence that Aoki has exceptional submission skills. Again, it probably comes down to what you’ve already decided to believe. You’ve clearly made up your mind.
Given the level of opposition he faced, no, not really.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, so you’re saying that a guy with genuinely bad submission defense could most likely skate through all those fights without ever being submitted, which thereby licenses the least charitable possible reading of the Aoki/Alvarez result, for both fighters. It can’t be that Aoki is just that good, and it can’t be that that fight just doesn’t tell us anything definitive about either man.
Like I said, it seems you made your mind up in advance.
by JRN on Jul 11, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he's a troll we've banned 5x
i wouldn’t invest a lot of energy “debating” this idiot.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
That's what I figured, hence my language.
I’ll be good from now on…
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Nate, you should have a “Wall of Naming and Shaming” where you list the consecutive “Handles of the Banned” so the rest of us know when we’re bumping up against a new person with some rough edges vs. some zombie troll risen from the grave. Make it public, man!
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
Yeah, I mean like I said it’s like saying Diego just didn’t fight well vs BJ. No, Diego just isn’t on that level, and Aoki isn’t on that level either. I mean he didn’t just lose, it was a completely one sided fight for 5 rounds, and Aoki was never even close to winning.
Not saying he can’t beat Melendez, but it’s the equivalent of a punchers chance. Aoki would have to get REALLY lucky.
you're forgetting
that Aoki had a serious submission threat in the first round. Diego never got close to having B.J. in a bad position.
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Aoki
is no gate keeper
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
Yeah...
One guy actually called him a can yesterday, today. Pretty wild..
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Woah...
I meant “yesterday, too”. I need a nap..
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions
People like to talk shit
but NO ONE wants to roll with Aoki.
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 11, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Seeing him on the ground with anyone is a scary thing.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Now you see why I have no shit to talk to any of these fighters
Because even that one dimension is frightening.
Right
And it’s his prerogative as a fighter to choose to hone that one skill, if he thinks it can make him more successful than diverting his attention to another facet. It’s not his responsibility to make us think he’s well rounded.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, that's if you STAY in that dimension
Though, I can understand why it would annoy people when his reaction to fighting someone else ALSO formidable in that dimension is to shift the fight to another dimension… in hopes that the other guy is even worse there than he is.
In a weird way, Aoki kinda reminds me of Rashad Evans.
Yeah, the Shaolin fight was excruciating.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 12, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure, honestly. Seems possible. He said some pretty offensive things and was fighter bashing big time. Five of his first seven comments could have been warned.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What does it even mean to get banned?
Are you just not able to comment? Not even able to come to the site? How does that work? Can you just create a new account? I’ve been warned one time so I know how that works.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Of course you can still visit. It is a banning of your account, so you can’t post. Not sure how far they go with checking IP addresses when people reapply, but I’ve heard of people that got banned reapplying and being immediately deleting when the staff realized it.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This proves nothing for Aoki
his gimmic is to finish in the first minute.. this proves nothing. kawajiri laziliy tried to stop the takedown and fell right into it. he could have defended better.
Gil had a much much better sprawl.. compared to kawajiri’s half ass whizzer attempt. this proves nothing about aoki’s ability to change gameplans when the original stategy doesnt work. question. how does aoki win when facing full size 155lb fighters in the UFC or strikeforce.. answer.. he doesnt.
Gimmick?
It’s a gimmick to quickly put away your opponent? Some people on here are losing their shit..
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I want my gimmick to be picking up the hottest girl in the bar within the first five minutes that I get there.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
by AJB on Jul 11, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, but that’s too one dimensional.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You both get rec's
for making me lol
Note: it is ok to type “lol” in an ironic manner. Typing lol randomly during a disjointed rant like I have seen some trolls do recently is absurd.
BOOSH
I never type LOL
I just say it out loud with a straight face to illustrate my enjoyment of a friend’s humorous joke.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't even try
to argue with people like that, just let them stew in their “superiority”.
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
That or realize the fact you actually might be wrong.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the internet dude
nobody is wrong……except for everyone but me!
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 11, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
que?
"I am going to burn your fucking house down, but you will blow me first"
by Barack Lesnar on Jul 11, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Shinya Aoki vs. Gilbert Melendez II: We Should Not All Be Excited
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
See--
The nice thing about the internet is when you think of something that clearly isn’t clever, you can just delete it instead of clicking “post”. You’re welcome.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Right
Six recs and you’re getting dogged out for having absolutely zero argumentative competence. Keep it up. That bold really gets your point across, by the way. Try italics, they’re so fun!
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just recced your post
Now you’re even 1.17 times more a badder dude than I am; gosh I better quit while I’m ahead.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jul 11, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, you are unshakable. I have to yield to that amount of poise. That copy of Arguing on the Interwebz for Dummies is really paying off, huh?
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I should have known
Arguing on the Interwebz for Dummies by Karo Parisyan
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do You Know Who I AAAAAAAM?
Sorry, those words remind me of the one time I met John Kerry before the 2004 primaries, huddled up behind a schoolkid’s desk in the back corner of an uptown Barnes & Noble, with security unceremoniously shoving me out the door right after the book signing, an unbought copy of GamePro still in my hand…
… I swear I would have bought it or put it back if they’d let me! >o<
i neither agree or disagree with anything in this argument but for some reason I thought this was pretty funny
I'm better than you. Na na na boo boo, stick your head in doo doo.
by Earl Montclair on Jul 11, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
"HEY AOKI!"
“Pack your shit! Hirasawa Yui thinks you suck. Time to retire!”
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 11, 2010 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
im cool with this fight
cause honestly what else does SF and dream have coming up that’d be better than this?
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Another good point
Like I’ve said in the comments, I’m looking for just about any reason to get excited about a Japanese MMA card. It’s been pretty depressing lately.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the UFCs really widening the gap
dream and SF are getting closer and closer to becoming legit minor leagues without any of the top guys fighting in the promotion, now that zuffa has the #1 at the seven main weight classes its only a matter of time
nick diaz, fedor, shields (for another week or so) and king mo are really the only other non UFC fighters who could come into the UFC today and compete for a #1 contendership or belt right off the bat
frankly i think the large stable north american wrestle boxers are superior to every type of fighter at lw (besides for bj) and i think aoki and kawajiri would be in the middle to lower class of fighters in the UFC
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Actually--
And I realize this is probably an unpopular sentiment— but I think that Bellator is the legitimate minor league promotion and that Strikeforce is more of a lower quality pro-league alternative. Bellator is NCAA Football to Strikeforce’s AFL/CFL. As for DREAM and Sengoku— I feel like they’re sort of hanging in the balance. DREAM is obviously a bit better off, though still in limbo, nonetheless. Sengoku is verging on zombie status.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sengoku is done.
Athletes under contract with them have no faith in the promotion to get them even one more fight. DREAM won the battle for king of the trash heap that is post-fad Japanese MMA.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I’m just afraid that they won’t let go of the few important contracts they’re holding without a fight.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
DREAM
I think will survive (god I hope so)
SRC however is prolly in trouble. Hopefully the majority of the SRC roster will sign with DREAM.
Japanese MMA needs to survive…..cuz it’s so fun.
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jul 11, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would be devastated if Japanese MMA died. However, in its current form, I feel like I’m a bit in denial about the state of things.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 11, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think this is bad
Don’t look at the state of Japan period.
"Japanese MMA needs to survive…..cuz it’s so fun"
So well said Rollo. +1 from me
B-A-K-A-S-U-R-V-I-V-O-R
MFC is the CFL of the fighting world. They’re a “lower quality pro-league alternative”, but they actually seem to cooperate rather than try to compete with the UFC.
"I'm AJB and I endorse this nut-puncher."
I was thinking of including them, actually
And I happen to really enjoy their product.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jul 13, 2010 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
HDNet
thank God for thee…
God help me, I have a problem. I'm a Shinya Aoki fan. I don't know what to do about it...
"what the f**k is the internet?"
Pain don't hurt...
Good article
The death of Shinya Aoki’s relevence as a top 10 LW has been greatly overstated. He’s still capable of tapping anyone in the division and would do exactly that to the large majority
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It's more that his problem
Is that enough of the division knows to steer clear that dimension as best as they can, and beat him every way else.
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