UFC 116 Preview: Brock Lesnar Changes Everything in Preparation for Shane Carwin
After a long absence Brock Lesnar is back. But he's not the Lesnar we've seen before. This new Lesnar is coming to the cage with a bagful of tricks, including, if he can be believed, a southpaw stance.
"I brought in Peter Welch, and we changed my stance and switched it from traditional to southpaw," he said. "It's really worked out, helped on wrestling and shooting. We changed a lot of things and we'll see if they work I guess."
Two things and we'll tackle the first before focusing on the second: this could certainly all be a ruse. Lesnar's camp is ultra-secretive and it is pretty unusual for them to release this kind of information before the fight. When I interviewed coach Marty Morgan for my story on Lesnar teammate Cole Konrad, he basically shut down any attempts to discuss Lesnar. So do the champion's training partners.This could all be a last minute mental game to get in opponent Shane Carwin's head. It's definitely given Shane something to think about in the days leading up to the fight.
But let's put that aside and assume he's going to actually fight with his strong hand forward. What does this mean for his standup game? As with all things, we'll turn to Wikipedia for the basics:
A skilled right-hander, such as Roy Jones Jr. or Marvin Hagler may switch to the left-handed (southpaw) stance to take advantage of the fact that most fighters lack experience against lefties. In addition, a right-hander in southpaw with a powerful left cross obtains an explosive new combination. The converted southpaw may use a right jab followed by a left cross, with the intention of making the opponent slip to the outside of his left side. Then the converted right-hander can simply turn his body left and face his opponent, placing him in orthodox, and follow up with an unexpected right cross. If the southpaw fighter is right-hand dominant with a strong left cross, this puts the opponent in danger of knockout from each punch in the combination, as jabs with the power hand can stun or KO in heavier weight classes.
For MMA, the southpaw stance is used regularly by wrestlers. Matt Lindland, Matt Hughes, and Kid Yamamoto have all used the stance to put their strong side forward. This doesn't just throw off your opponent's stand up game-it also helps your wrestling game. Your shots will be faster and stronger and, just as importantly, you will be defending a shot with the strong side as well. If Lesnar is going southpaw he's doing it for one reason: he is looking to put Shane Carwin down and put him down fast.
More on the man who's shaking up Lesnar's game after the jump.
The coach Lesnar's team brought in to change up his game is one of the most experienced boxing coaches in MMA. Peter Welch is the boxing coach for The Ultimate Fighter:
"As far as traditional boxing technique is concerned, they weren’t even on the chart," said Welch. "They had nothing. But what they did have, and I think all MMA fighters have it, is that drive, that ability to overcome things with that internal drive that they have. And it doesn’t hurt that they have small gloves on. If you catch someone on the chin with a small glove it’s like hitting someone with nothing on your hands. It makes up for lack of technique, so to speak."
A new attitude has come along with these new techniques. Heavy.com's Jeremy Botter says the normally angry and morose Lesnar has been in high spirits this week.
But the Lesnar we met today at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas wasn’t angry. He wasn’t surly. He was jovial. After a brief workout period that revealed absolutely nothing about Lesnar’s technical improvements, the massive champion strolled over to the media area. On his way, he stopped in front of a poster of opponent Shane Carwin. Placing his hands on top of the poster as if to lean on it, Lesnar quickly toppled the image of his foe to the floor, then cracked a grin.
"Sorry about that, guys. I just leaned on it," he says with a mischievous grin. "I’m sorry about that. I just leaned on that thing and it fell over. I don’t know what happened there."
That's a lot of change for one fight-in weight, in attitude, and in style. After the fight we'll either be gushing over the new and improved Lesnar-or we'll be wondering why Morgan and Welch violated one of sport's oldest rules: "If it aint broke, don't fix it."
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It’s pretty smart actually. In grappling, the power foot goes in front to keep your center of gravity on a stong support, but in striking, the power foot goes in back to push off of.
by judonerd on Jul 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Whats wrong with that comment?
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
well a judo guy is telling people how to punch where the power actually comes from both legs being planted and the amount of body rotation you put into it, alot of power comes from the front foot too, so this guy is throwing out uneducated striking tips
while striking if either foot comes off the ground u r going to have a weaker punch, oh and if u stand orthodox ur stronger leg is actually your front foot and in grappling it is the back leg
think of it this way, when cro cop throws the LHK, which foot is on the ground? his front leg and that generates the power with his hip rotation
next time just post this
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Not really man
in boxing and kickboxing, you’re supposed to put about 60% on the back foot and 40% on the front.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 1, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
much more civilized response.
thoughtfulness is all that is necessary.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen Lesnar's striking?
Specifically the punch heard round the world?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
RIghty vs lefty opens up the defense for both fighters. It’ll be much easier to sneak in shots from the rear hand.
BROCKLESNAR by LHK.
when the bell rings brock is going to sit on his ass, butt scoot over to carwin, pull 50/50 and heel hook him in 30 seconds, then brock will go lay on his wife
Mom
I tapped Brock’s wife out with a penis bar!
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
by Simboy on Jul 1, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i'd like to break down this post
First:
Mom
Why…my mom? Brock’s mom?
Then
I tapped Brock’s wife out with a penis bar
Does this mean that you made her tap by bending your own penis in an awkward and unforgivin way? Or, as would follow from the logic of going from “arm bar” to “penis bar”, are you suggesting that you grabbed Sable’s penis and torqued it in an undesirable direction?
Either way, that sounds like it hurts.
by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
This should be advantageous for him.
He’ll be more open to a right from Carwin, but should be able to use his length to negate that while blasting a mean straight left. Very well done.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Frank Trigg is another wrestler who boxed away from his dominant hand to keep his power leg forward on the shot, right?
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I could swear I remember him saying during a PRIDE show
that he wrestled right handed and boxed lefty. He switched something… or I’m delusional. Both very possible. Maybe a Frank Trigg fan or mental health professional can clear this up?
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by pdl on Jul 1, 2010 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Hughes never had a reach/speed advantage like Brock does here,
Nor was he the same caliber of athlete. This strategy would be death for Brock against Junior or Cain, but it makes sense against Carwin.
Unrelated, you gonna be at the fight this weekend?
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by pdl on Jul 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt was an old dog trying to learn new tricks. He tried to make the switch after spending more than a decade working on his orthodox striking.
Lesnar is essentially a blank canvas. He’s so new to the sport that he doesn’t have any old habits that need to broken. Lefty,righty, it doesn’t really matter. He is a neophyte from either stance.
I guess
He’s gonna go all Cruz on Shane.
Use his speed to move around and force Shane to throw while getting the takedown as a counter…
Or not…
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
He will use his speed
But Carwin will eventually get his mitts on him and push him against the cage…and then true savagery will ensue.
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Is that what you are watching fights for?
Savagery?
by SheepleBuster on Jul 1, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
In a fight billed as "two gorillas in a cage"
I am expecting the most technical and strategic of bouts/sarcasm. lol
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I hope they fling feces
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by Body Triangle on Jul 1, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
how many dirty, stinkin, heavyweights does it take to change a lightbulb?
by Goat choker 1 on Jul 1, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't Paul Daly use the same striking stance.
Daley is a southpaw who fight orthodox so his power hand is the lead hand. And it usually works for him, then again he is a world champ in his respective striking discipline of muay thai.
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Don’t want to sound like an ass, but he’s not MT world champ. That’s the one thing what I dislike in MMA, terms “world class”, “world champion”. Daley was a champion of some British organization. Something like “Gilbert Melendez, Strikeforce World Champion”.
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by dancingChicken on Jul 2, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
*usage of terms
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jul 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a right-heavy southpaw
It’s what makes me annoyed when people say ‘southpaw’ or ‘right handed’. My left overhand is my hardest punch and I can jab my right with far more stiffness. It’s always confused me why more right-heavy strikers don’t adopt it/attempt it in training. But yes, it’s certainly the sort of thing you want to switch to early in development (I was 17 when I started).
I think we’re being presumptious here. I’d wager it’s a smokescreen.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
I switch to southpaw occasionally.
If I have reach on the guy then I switch stances by stepping my lead leg back and counter with a right jab when they come forward too aggressively. If I don’t have reach then I generally use a right jab to the body and blast an inside leg kick. Don’t like to stay southpaw for long because I so thoroughly enjoy using the left hook. I do feel the same way about my jab though. Southpaw I get way more power and control distance better, while my orthodox jab is basically just kept in their face to distract from what follows.
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by pdl on Jul 1, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m not so sure though… if he wants to take away Carwin’s power, the way to do it would be to put him on his back, often… so by having a faster, more powerful shot, and by using his strong hand and reach advantage for a hard, quick jab (since he has the longer reach as well) it may make for a really good gameplan.
the only reason i’d be tempted to believe this isn’t the case is that i don’t think they wouldnt said anything about it, and just let it happen during the fight for the ultimate surprise. i think its real, but its a real big mindf ck.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jul 1, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I do the same thing because my jabs and hooks just feel better and have a lot more snap on them coming from my strong side. Brock’s jab has never been a real weapon even though with his reach it should be devastating. Maybe they realized his jab and shot are more effective with his right foot forward but in all honesty you’re probably right about the smoke screen.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
His striking is green enough still that he may be able to switch without much drawback. He may not use it primarily in the fight but I wouldn’t be surprised if he switched to it if the fight stays standing long enough or they get stood up.
On the contrary
I think that switching at this point would be a mistake. Brock’s already put 3+ years into training striking from the orthodox position, and he hasn’t really shown that he has a natural propensity for learning advanced striking technique.
The problem is that when Matt Hughes switched his stance to southpaw, it really hurt his standup- he’s never really had great striking, but switching stances made it even more awkward and uncomfortable. The problem with switching stances for a wrestling advantage is that you, as a fighter, are putting nearly all your eggs in one basket, and that’s a big risk.
Brock’s not a savvy enough striker to be able to smoothly transition between stances, and if he can’t set up his takedowns with strikes then he’ll have no way of surprising Carwin. IMO, this has to be a bluff just to try and psyche Shane out, there’s no way Brock’s trainers are that halphazard.
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 1, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That
And I wouldn’t want to be increasing the odds that a right hand down the pipe from Carwin connects. I’d buy this as a long-term strategy and maybe he’s been working on it for the full year, but if this has been put into the gameplan in the last 3 months or whatever, it makes no sense in my opinion backed by a limited knowledge of boxing/striking.
Not afraid to nitpick
Exactly
The best counter for a southpaw is a right cross (and vice versa); Carwin’s best punch is his straight right, and unless Lesnar has somehow developed a mean left straight in such a short amount of time, then any time they spend on the feet is time Brock is seriously risking getting KO’d.
I’m not claiming to be an expert on striking either, but I have trained for quite some time, and everything about this story seems like a psych- out. Maybe Brock’s just planning on shooting for the takedown right off the bat, and maybe he thinks that there’s no way Carwin will be able to stuff his shot, but in that case why not just fight from your regular stance and give yourself options?
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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 1, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Hughes does the same thing. He’s a natural righ-handed fighter who goes southpaw to help his wrestling
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
And when he hasn't been able to take his opponents down and keep them there
this is what happens when he fights from the southpaw stance


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by ElliotMatheny on Jul 1, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

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