UFC 115 Officials Assigned; Herb Dean to Referee Liddell-Franklin
by Chris Nelson on Jun 9, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
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The Vancouver Athletic Commission yesterday disclosed the refereeing and judging assignments for Saturday's UFC 115 card, and longtime ref Herb Dean has drawn officiating duties for the main event between Chuck Liddell and Rich Franklin. Other "third men" in the cage for the event will be Yves Lavigne, Kevin Dornan and Tony Williamson.
Judging the Liddell-Franklin bout will be Sal D'Amato, Bill Mahood and (cue "The Imperial March") the controversial Nelson "Doc" Hamilton.
Sherdog's Jordan Breen discusses each judge's credentials:
Hamilton is one of MMA's most experienced judges and has been a staple of major MMA events in Nevada and California for years. However, it is worth noting that Hamilton did turn in scorecards for Lyoto Machida over Mauricio "Shogun" Rua last October, and Leonard Garcia over Chan Sung Jung this past April, making him a part of the two most unpopular decisions the sport has seen as of late.
D'Amato has quickly become a preferred judge, especially by Zuffa, as of late. D'Amato has steadily started to log bigger assignments in Nevada as well as international UFC cards, and was selected as one of the three judges to preside over the Machida-Rua rematch in Montreal last May.
Mahood recently retired from active competition and has become involved in the regulatory side of the sport in British Columbia, starting the MMA Association of British Columbia (MMABC), the province's amateur sanctioning body. This will be the first major assignment for the 10-year MMA vet, whose resume thus far is comprised largely of local amateur and pro cards.
The full slate of assignments after the jump.
Jesse Lennox vs. Mike Pyle
Referee: Kevin Dornan, Judges: Lance Gibson, Nelson "Doc" Hamilton, Bill Mahood.Claude Patrick vs. Ricardo Funch
Referee: Tony Williamson, Judges: Sal D'Amato, Chris Franco, Tony Weeks.Peter Sobotta vs. James Wilks
Referee: Kevin Dornan, Judges: Chris Franco, Lance Gibson, Nelson "Doc" Hamilton.Mario Miranda vs. David Loiseau
Referee: Tony Williamson, Judges: Sal D'Amato, Chris Franco, Bill Mahood.Matt Wiman vs. Mac Danzig
Referee: Yves Lavigne, Judges: Sal D'Amato, Bill Mahood, Tony Weeks.Evan Dunham vs. Tyson Griffin
Referee: Herb Dean, Judges: Chris Franco, Lance Gibson, Tony Weeks.Rory MacDonald vs. Carlos Condit
Referee: Kevin Dornan, Judges: Sal D'Amato, Lance Gibson, Nelson "Doc" Hamilton.Gilbert Yvel vs. Ben Rothwell
Referee: Yves Lavigne, Judges: Nelson "Doc" Hamilton, Bill Mahood, Tony Weeks.Martin Kampmann vs. Paulo Thiago
Referee: Herb Dean, Judges: Sal D’Amato, Chris Franco, Tony Weeks.Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic vs. Patrick Barry
Referee: Yves Lavigne, Judges: Lance Gibson, Nelson "Doc" Hamilton, Tony Weeks.Chuck Liddell vs. Rich Franklin
Referee: Herb Dean, Judges: Nelson "Doc" Hamilton, Sal D'Amato, Bill Mahood.
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Interesting to see Bill Mahood as a judge
and it’s great to have some actual MMA fighters judging fights. I remember Forrest in his first fight after Bonnar, choking Mahood out and sending him packing from the UFC…good thing he’s not judging a Forrest fight ;)
Yep
Although it has no bearing on how he scores fights, it does show that he willingness to break the rules officals are ment to uphold.
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by Erich Vowell on Jun 9, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Herb Dean is the best in the biz
Good to see him working the most important fights of the night.
(honorary mention for Mario Yamasaki)
Yves is working the Yvel and Cro Cop fights, lot of pressure there.
Yvel can be crazy and there are still a lot of people crazy for Cro Cop.
big john is still the best ever
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
Herb Dean > Big John IMO
I never liked that stundup he did on Marquardt vs Silva. Nat had just gotten it back to the ground doing some decent work and Big John stood them up. Silva looked like he was wearing down too.
>:( Look what you created McCarthy!
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't even have an opinion on the matter
(Get’s shot in the face by John Travolta)
That’s just what I’ve heard from a lot of people. I dunno how legit it is.
"D'Amato has quickly become a preferred judge, especially by Zuffa, as of late."
Wait…Zuffa helps pick judges? That’s just great.
BOOSH
Jordan Breen
He likes to flower up his sentences as much as possible.
Who knows what that means.
by powerfis on Jun 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Half of that statement isn’t news; it’s opinion (Breen’s; and part of the issue with MMA “media” sometimes)
Zuffa is believed to have some influence with the athletic commission by many though and I doubt they pick their judges, but if they do have influence then they surely can get them to lean toward some judges for events or away from other judges (or from reinstating Big John).
I believe the UFC does indirectly pick their judges for overseas events (as Breen points out D’Amato working those events in the article). Marc Ratner handles all of it when there’s no commission, as in Abu Dhabi.
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Correct. This is what I was driving at.
by Jordan Breen on Jun 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Big John
I never really understood this. Can someone elaborate as to why Big John is gone and Zuffa has such beef with him (or rather Dana White has beef).
Big John at one point “retired” I guess from reffing and starting commentating for one of the other orgs that collapsed now (can’t remember if it was EliteXC or one of those) and I guess he said some stuff about the UFC and Dana got pissy about it all. So supposedly they are keeping him from getting reinstated in Nevada through their influence (he is on the waiting list of applicants there or something) and also in other states they have gone to that he can ref in; he also never gets selected for their events. Except UFC says they have nothing to do with it of course.
He took a job with The Fight Network in Canada. That’s what started it. Dana thought he should stick to being a ref and stay out of the media side of things. Then he started working with other promotions.
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I think the beef had less to do with him leaving reffing for the media and more to do with what he said in the media though. that was what I was getting at.
It didn’t though, that’s just what’s arisen since he took the TFN job. Dana was very clear back then, long before BJM said a word about the UFC or worked for any other promotion, what the deal was. Since then it’s just been a catfight in the media.
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Herb dean should of played Mr instead of rampage
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by Thats It For you! on Jun 9, 2010 11:46 AM EDT reply actions
"I pity the fool that doesn't touch gloves and follow my instructions at all times!"
Keep sleepin' on me...
Lance Gibson is also a former MMA fighter
with two UFC fights under his belt (a loss to Evan Tanner, and a win over Jermaine Andre)…nice to see guys like him and Mahood scoring fights.
He was also Rampage’s Muay Thai coach for the Rashad fight
"Ten more seconds is all I ever ask. That's the good thing I learned about being KO'd twice. You don't see it coming -it's like death- you don't plan for it so don't wait for it. So many people are afraid of getting Ko'd that their hands stay home, but not me. I got to go out there and shoot the lights out and fall down" Jens Pulver
Bill Mahood huh?
This is why I wish that steroids carried the same lifetime ban that gambling on games does in baseball. Deliberate cheating is deliberate cheating.
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How is his positive test going to influence his judging? I’m happy to see someone who really knows the sport (as opposed to Cecil Peoples) judging fights.
It shows that someone is willing to compromise his integrity for personal gain. Is that the type of character you want in a judge? Not to go all Tim Donaghy here, but a person with past history of blatant cheating should not be put in this type of position.
Exactly.
In a way, taking steroids is like bribing YOURSELF.
(Did I just blow your mind? I did, didn’t I?)
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 9, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just not the same to me
Steroids to keep stave off the end of your fighting career going is not the same as a potential to compromise integrity at the beginning of a career as a judge.
I guess I can see what y’all are saying. Just don’t agree.
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Have the judges names been released before a card ever before?
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
I wondered the same thing
It usually seems like such a secretive practice, I would like to see it posted like this for every single card.
GO SPURS GO!!!
I always thought they kept it a secret because they didn’t want the judges names to be released before a card because it could affect the gambling lines.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Hmmm
Well then what about like when Brock said months before UFC 100 that he would not fight with Mazzagatti in there as ref? The whole process should be transparent IMO.
GO SPURS GO!!!
I know in football they keep under wraps which refs will be working certain games because they don’t want that to affect gambling lines. I do agree with you though, that the judges and refs names should be transparent leading up to the event.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
Glad Mahood is a judge. I know he got popped for roids, but that has zilch to do with this.
We need more former fighters as judges.
GO SPURS GO!!!
I think a demonstrated willingness to cheat has everything to do with this.
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Quite honestly
I consider Couture over Vera a worse decision than Garcia-Zombie.
Garcia and KZ both landed plenty on big shots on each other, and wobbled each other.
But Couture landed nothing significant on Vera, and Vera badly hurt/dropped Couture twice with kicks, and managed to mount him in the 3rd (while Couture mounted him in the first).
by pickleofguatemala on Jun 9, 2010 12:33 PM EDT reply actions
Couture won round 1
Lost round 2, and won round 3. I do not see a robbery. Vera was getting pinned up against the cage and was just overpowered by his wrestling for much of the fight.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
I didn't think the Coutrue-vera decision was controversial at all.
Randy dominated one of the scoring criteria, and Vera didn’t dominate any of them. He led some of them, sure, but Randy dominated his.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Also, it should be noted while he’s generally a decent referee, the most significant fight Kevin Dornan has ever refereed was the Antonio Silva-Eric Pele disaster a few years back, which is easily one of the worst stops I’ve ever seen in a fight.
Herb Dean looks totally badass in that picture.
"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad
I'd like the see Herb Dean actually enforce his "follow my instructions at all times" line.
He usually follows it with an instruction: “Touch gloves” – only to see some fighters fail to do so.
So he’s establishing right at the start of the fight that there’s no cost associated with not following his instructions.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
give me a break
You don’t have to touch gloves, ever.
Herb Dean is an excellent ref and the fighters respect his instructions, I’m not sure why you would say they don’t.
Seriuous or not, it gives them a choice to touch gloves or be blatantly disrespectful. Mazzagatti FORCES you to touch “Now touch em up!” and if they don’t “I SAID TOUCH EM UP!” When they don’t (Bisping-Miller, Baroni-Shamrock) it builds a lil more tension. As a fan I like it but I know it’s completely professional when they do it.
Hot Tub demanding respect????
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA…..
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Or when they turn their back entirely and just walk off like Lesnar did to Mir @ 100.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 9, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ref's the forgotten ingredient to MMA
Besides the bashing that refs often get for controversial stoppages (and in the same vein, judges for controversial decisions) on sites like BE, I’d really like to see more articles about the people themselves. What’s Herb Dean’s history? Yves? Do they have trends in their behavior in the cage? What are their best and worst moments?
i believe
herb used to be an actuall mma fighter(not 100% sure) and hes had some questionable stoppages in the past but he seems to have gotten past it. Ive never really heard anything negative bout yves n i have no complaints about his performance
Reading a book
about how to throw the proper leg kick
Some hate for Lavigne
Yves Lavigne did one of his terrible half-stoppages again at Brilz vs Lil Nog, in round 2 when Brilz had that guillotine.. luckily he didn’t go through with it, but it was bad enough getting in there in the first place (Lil Nog did not tap and was clearly not out). He’s just terrible.. not the first time something like this happens with Lavigne, he has a history of doing this shit, terrible stoppages and/or second guessing himself.
That is all.
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