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Just Who Are The World's Top Flyweights?

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Who are the world’s top flyweights? If you look at the few MMA sites that rank the division, almost all of them will have Jussier "Formiga" da Silva (4-0) ranked #1, and the former Shooto champion whom sa Silva defeated Shinichi Kojima (10-4-5) as #2. This is logical, since the Shooto Flyweight belt is the most prestigious one, and they run more Flyweight matches than anyone else and have always done so, and have easily the most established Flyweight division in MMA.

The problem with this is, the real answer is that nobody actually knows who the world’s top Flyweights are.

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A few years ago, the top 8 Bantamweights in the Sherdog rankings were all fighters whose last fight had been in Shooto, followed by Miguel Torres and Chase Beebe of WEC. Now it is the exact opposite: the top 8 slots are held by WEC fighters and #9 and #10 are people who only fight in Japan. The only two people still on the list from three years ago are Miguel Torres and Takeya Mizugaki. No one knew who Brian Bowles or Dominick Cruz or Joseph Benavidez were. A lot of the top Bantamweights of today were not even fighting at Bantamweight at the time. While some Bantamweights undoubtedly got better, others were just unknown because they were fighting outside their weight class or in tiny indy shows. There wasn't a good way to compare people. Three years later the picture is a lot clearer, even with the recent revolving title changes involving the WEC belt.

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And that’s basically the problem today. You have people who are natural Flyweights fighting in the WEC above their normal weight class, like Demetrious Johnson, Charlie Valencia, and even the aforementioned Benavidez. You also have Flyweights who fight in North America like John Dodson and Pat Runez who have no interaction with anyone from the Japanese fighter pool, which make direct comparisons very difficult. Meanwhile the two top Shooto flyweights have both gone nearly a year without a fight.

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This is basically a plea for World Extreme Cagefighting and Zuffa LLC to stop dragging their heels on the Flyweight division, something they announced well over a year ago, so we can finally find out just who the best Flyweights are, and how good they are. There is no reason for them to try and sign every top international Flyweight off the bat. Their Bantamweight division did not start out that way, and now Zuffa dominates the Bantamweight division as much as they have near-monopolies on the top Light-Heavyweights and Welterweights. All they need to do here is make a division, and the talent will come, and sort itself out.

Just start with some exhibition matches, sign a few top guys, have a few others drop down, and maybe do a four-man mini-tournament over the course of a couple of shows around the beginning of 2011. WEC has claimed that they aren’t focusing on Flyweights because they want to give their current roster as many fights as they can. On the other hand this same organization used to run fewer shows while maintaining 6 weight classes, and look to be only doing more shows in the future with the occasional Pay-Per-View. It shouldn't be too onerous to fit in a 14-man or so Flyweight division. If they ran just two extra cards in a year, with a total of 21 fights, they could have a total of 14 fighters getting three fights each without having to cut anyone at all. Furthermore with another belt, and one that would presumably be a lot more meaningful than their Lightweight belt, they'd have an easier time putting together additional Pay-Per-Views in the future.

Enough already, I’d like to know who the best in the world is.

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Yeah it’s a huge stretch to call Shojo one of Shooto’s two top flyweights. And Rambaa is a strawweight now. Still, I really liked the piece and co-sing whole heartedly.

by greco-roman airlines on Jun 9, 2010 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was talking about Kojima and Jussier da Silva as Shooto’s top 2 flyweights. The pictures were just kind of a selection of fighters that were either in Shooto, in North America in the minor leagues, or in the WEC fighting as Bantamweights. Also I am aware that M-16 is a Strawweight now but he’s still awesome, and would be fighting at Flyweight in the WEC. Strawweights is another issue altogether and I wish the weight class would be added to the Unified Rules, and eventually the WEC. We’re a lot further away from seeing major league Strawweights than Flyweights though, so I’ll tackle that later.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I realized that an hour or so after posting. Problem with Jussier is he has fought in Japanese Shooto just once so he doesn’t register with me as a Shooto fighter (yes, I know he fights in Shooto Brazil, but that’s just a random Brazilian event that happens to be sanctioned by Shooto)

by greco-roman airlines on Jun 9, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

would love to see flyweights added

from what ive noticed in mma the smaller the fighters the more exciting the fights

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Jun 9, 2010 7:59 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

They could start by signing 8 guys, and then have an informal tournament to determine a champion. That tournament would take roughly a year to play out, and in that mean time they could start adding more contenders, and of course a few guys who can’t hang at Bantamweight would make the drop. I haven’t really gotten to see many flyweight fights because of their availability and that is disappointing. Can’t wait for the WEC to pull the trigger on the new division.

by IWillPartyHard on Jun 9, 2010 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Alexis Vila (who isn’t getting any younger).. Henry Cejudo. Ulysses Gomez. M-16, if he’d come back up. BJ Kojima. Runez. Dodson. Jesse Riggleman.

COME ON ZUFFA. There is enough talent out there to start the division up. Doooo it.

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by Tim Burke on Jun 9, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Formiga fights Alexandre Pantoja in Shooto Brasil this weekend. Should be a hell of a fight.

by Chris Nelson on Jun 9, 2010 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Luis Gonzalez very underrated because of his size had a great fight with Ulysseus Gomez and his fight with Pat Runez was a good display of grappling

by drano on Jun 9, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Great Post

I’m not sure how many fighters the WEC would need to jump the start the division I’m guessing they can carry no more than 20-25 guys under contract per division

On our site we have a top 20 list of FLWs who are active in US promotions.

Some other possible names:
Nick Cottone New Jersey 7-2
Darrell Montague California 6-1
Mikey Lovato New Mexico 10-1
Blake Sprouse Utah 8-2
 Sam Thao Wisconsin 6-1

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by ultmma on Jun 9, 2010 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think one thing that may be holding the WEC back is how much do they gain by folding the 155 pound class into the UFC and adding the 125 pound class to the WEC?

Fan perspective hell yeah do it already
$ perspective could be reason they are dragging their feet a little

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by ultmma on Jun 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

They wouldn’t have to fold the LW division in right away, and Flyweights are hardly expensive to pay. Aside from those already in the WEC, there are only a handful of fighters that would get paid more than $10k + $10k per fight. Kojima, da Silva, and M-16 imo, and none of those would be making $20k + $20k. If they cut a total of six fighters from their existing divisions and ran just one more show next year, they could have a 14-man Flyweight division without sacrificing the number of matches people get. If they ran two extra shows then if they’d only have to cut like 3 people and they could have an 18-man division, again without having to reduce the number of matches people get. They could then fold their LW division into the UFC once the Flyweight division is established and they started planning a Strawweight division.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Okay, I edited my article and inserted this point here at the end about the math behind it.

by Chromium on Jun 9, 2010 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with your points and your math makes sense. One other thing to think about if the WEC ever decides to move their FW & BW classes into the UFC than 125 pound fighters could be put even further on the back-burner

That merge could be another reason why they are not moving on FLWs

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by ultmma on Jun 9, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dana White said before Aldo vs. Faber that lighter weight classes were still coming, and specified that the WEC LW division would eventually fold into the UFC. This kind of implies that any plans to merge the two promotions is quite a long ways off. I suppose it’s still possible, but unlikely that a merger will happen anytime soon.

Ultimately I’d love to see the UFC doing 48 weekly free shows (gotta give the production crew some breaks) and 16 PPVs a year with every conceivable division represented or something like that to fill out their numbers (the seven divisions they have now plus men’s flyweights, men’s strawweights, and women at 145, 135, 125, and 115). This is kind of a fantasy though.

by Chromium on Jun 10, 2010 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Abel Cullum is another guy I can’t believe I forgot. He’s fought at 135 or higher a lot, but he’s the current HOTC flyweight champ.

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by Tim Burke on Jun 9, 2010 3:32 PM EDT reply actions  

KOTC (assume that’s what you meant) Flyweight is 135

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by JCS_FM on Jun 9, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, my bad.

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by Tim Burke on Jun 9, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Dodson

I spoke with John Dodson about WEC and their proposed Flyweight division following his UWC 8 victory over Jesse Riggleman. He’s not holding his breath on the division becoming a reality.

“[WEC] has been saying that they’ve been interested in me. They’ve been telling me that they’re going to bring in the 125s for about two years now, and all it is is a broken promise. They keep saying they’re going to do it but the UWC is the one that gave us a home so I’m probably going to stay here for the time being.”

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by Brett Jones on Jun 10, 2010 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, if I do a similar such article in the future, I suppose “WEC’s Broken Promise” will make a really good headline. They’ve been blue-balling us for what, 17 months now?

by Chromium on Jun 10, 2010 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has everyone forgotten...

about MAMORU YAMAGUCHI! He hasn’t lost to anyone not named Kojima or Urushitani since 2002!

One of the all-time greats at flyweight, and even though he’s been somewhat inactive recently, this man still brings it and is still fun as hell to watch.

by exzacht on Jun 10, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

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