Two Sides: Why not Doing Media for UFC 116 Would Be a Mistake for Shane Carwin
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 8:27 PM EDT
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Earlier I explained why Shane Carwin might want to limit his media appearances in support of UFC 116. After all, his opponent Brock Lesnar will reap huge financial rewards while he will be guaranteed only $50,000. While concentrating completely on Brock Lesnar may seem like the smart move, disregarding media responsibilities before the biggest fight of your career may come back to haunt you in several major ways.
1. The Bonus Check
Some of Carwin's training partners like former light heavyweight champion Rashad Evans have been admitted to an exclusive club: the PPV bonus club. These fighters make a variable amount per buy. The contracts are each different. Many of the more recent contracts call for flat amounts over a certain number rather than a scale, such as $4 for every buy over 600,000.
The UFC believes fighters have to earn these PPV percentages. Evans was featured on Spike TV's The Ultimate Fighter twice and was the former undisputed champion. To Zuffa, Carwin isn't there yet and he won't get a PPV cut. What he will likely get, if he plays ball, is a post-fight bonus. Every UFC main eventer in the post-TUF era has gotten a significant bonus after the fight. The amounts vary dramatically, but a huge performance on a big card can yield bonuses worth several hundred thousand. None of this money is guaranteed though, and it pays to keep Zuffa happy.
2. The Fabricio Werdum Factor
Fighters all want that big money contract. Your athletic peak is short and your chances to make money slim. It makes some sense to push for everything you can as fast as you can. But sometimes, that can be dangerous. If your contract is bigger than your performances, that can lead to real problems. If you lose fights you will be gone. The case study for this was Fabricio Werdum. After big wins over Gabriel Gonzaga and Brandon Vera, Werdum saw himself on the path to the championship and he renegotiated a new five fight contract. When he lost to Junior Dos Santos and lost his spot at the top of the pecking order he was cut. There is no room in the UFC for an overpaid and underperforming star. Sometimes it's safer to wait on the big contract until you are established with the fans and it is harder for the promotion to watch you walk away.
3. Dana White
Dana White can be a fighter's best friend or a implacable foe. If he senses you playing games with his baby, you are in trouble. White holds a grudge. Legends like Frank Shamrock, Pat Miletich, and John McCarthy have all felt his wrath. So have media outlets like Sherdog.com and reporters like Josh Gross. That's a group you don't want to be a member of if you are looking for Zuffa pay days.
Carwin will do his part to sell this show. What the UFC asks for, he will deliver. But he doesn't want to talk to you for your blog. And your one man camcorder interview is out the window. Carwin will deliver big media while he's on the biggest stage. After all, there are three reasons above that say he has to do so.
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Yeah if he's not
change would have been to will be
Yea the title does imply that he is doing it.
by pickleofguatemala on Jun 4, 2010 7:16 PM EDT reply actions
He stated earlier...
on WKR that absolutely will NOT be, (unless it is UFC madatory).
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate...
Right...
that’s the thing.
He’ll do the UFC 116 media that the UFC tells him to do. He is not going to be doing interviews with other websites and whatnot though.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But he is pretty low key, he's not the kind of guy to smack talk, it's like Fedor
Some guys will be brash, some won’t.
by pickleofguatemala on Jun 4, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
He is doing media for the UFC as required. He is not doing any extra interviews with blogs and MMA specific sites.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
So what is the point of the article?
To say how it would have been a mistake to not do the required PR? That seems like a no-brainer.
title still makes no sense
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
rec this to make it green
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
done.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to do a write up on why it would be bad for Chuck Liddell to lose his next fight.
Hopefully that get’s fronted on BE.
by fozo on Jun 4, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Isn’t this a contradiction of this statement from the earlier post?
For Carwin, it’s the same $50,000 check whether the show draws 2 million PPV buys or 200. With no financial incentive to play ball, I understand his priorities.
It sounds like to me in this post that it is almost a for sure thing he will walk away with more than $50k. However the previous quote makes it sound like all he will get is the $50k with no chance of getting more. Or at least that is how I interpreted “with no financial incentive to play ball”.
Just BE.
Yes, it is the same guaranteed money no matter how the show does. But after making calls all day, it seems pretty certain he will get a bonus. The size will vary wildly, but I think it will happen.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok just for the record. When I said this earlier in the other thread I was right then?
Yea there is no way I believe Carwin is only getting a $50k check for this fight.
Just BE.
Yes, you were probably right. I am never afraid to add new information as it comes my way.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
As you pointed out in the article, they seem to have been giving out bonuses like this for awhile. Here’s an article from 2006 after the Chuck/Babalu fight:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/11/01/8392010/index.htm
“Gerber says that at the last UFC title fight, when Renato “Babalu” Sobral went down by a TKO in just 95 seconds to Chuck “The Iceman” Liddell, he saw the Fertittas run to the ambulance taking Sobral to the hospital to slip him a bonus check."
I will say this though
if he believes he cant beat Lesnar and he actually does, Zuffa is gonna have to pay him.
Maybe not as big of money as Lesnar or Liddell but he wins the hw title he is gonna get paid.
i think he’s gonna knock lesnar the fuck out
but i usually go broke buying into the hype
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 4, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane is gonna get carpal tunnel from typing or a dislocated thumb from furious twittering and not be at 100%. He really should just do talking interviews. His jaw will get a rest after Brock crushes him and he needs to get it wired shut.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
Damn
Where were the six-figure locker room payouts for main eventers in Dana need to pay more of the pie? Could have used you Sno
The problem with Carwin’s reasoning is that Brock isn’t doing his isolationism to get better training or because he’s rich. Brock’s allowed to do what he does, because UFC knows if they attempted to force Brock to do Primetime or much media the results probably wouldn’t be very good. I sincerely doubt if Brock was poor his personality would change much at all.
Brock is like a trained bear. He’s fine for small exposure and some attention every so often before his fight. However, too much and he could very well lose his cool at some point in the proceedings and eat someone.
Even someone like Dave Meltzer, who is on good terms with Brock, knows not to push Brock. You gotta treat him all nice, placate him, get what information you can, and then run like hell.
by Hawk52 on Jun 4, 2010 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Good boy Brock
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i dont think carwin’s reasoning is effected by lesnar’s potenially anti-social behavior. I like the trained bear analogy but i think carwin’s decision is based on his own concerns. His time is so limitied that he feels anything outside of metal and physical training and family is just unpractical till after the fight. If someone would pay for some of his travel expenses or carry his bags you might get an interview. At least it sounds like he’ll be doing “the Live” so I’m sure Anik will have some good Q’s for him.
Oh yea, if we see anymore basketball from this guy then I’m crying BS.
This will be the biggest fight in UFC history
both figuratively and literally.
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Tim Sylvia vs. Gan McGee
may have been a bigger fight, literally.
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by pdl on Jun 4, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
weight wise?
i know they were taller—but in terms of sheer poundage (or at least musclature) this seems to me to be the biggest.
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Shane probably can’t do a media tour because he’ll miss work.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jun 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
and boom goes the dynamite.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Shane at this point in his career is probably managing several projects in excess of $1 000 000. He can not go zipping around the world to pose for pictures, there is too much at stake.
Shane is not being a diva, he is being a professional engineer.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jun 4, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I saw on an episode of “My Super Sweet 16” that a male diva is known as a “divo”.
I’m completely ashamed of myself. Sorry, Dad.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
banned
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
i didnt get his joke so i cant tell if he is actually banned or not.
maybe im stupider than i thought haha.
No…I’ve not yet taken to banning for ingesting television programming that is not appropriately masculine. Especially when I’ve been forced to watch like 6 hours of So You Think You Can Dance? by my wife this week.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been enduring many many episodes of “Say Yes To The Dress” as of late…….i wonder if someone smells an iminent proposal…….
P.S. BROCKLESNAR!!!!!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
oh god...before the wedding...
every single wedding show on TV was getting Tivo’ed. I, stupidly, forgot to protect the last few PRIDE PPV’s which ended up getting deleted when we ran out of space. I’ve got them on DVD now so not a big deal, but at the time…phew
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope im not.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin is talking to Jon Anik and blowing off Kid Nate. No biggy.
by snakecharmer1340 on Jun 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Hey as long as Nate isn’t getting pushed aside for Franklin McNeil I can handle it.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Kid Nate doesn't do interviews
fighters are generally not worth talking to.
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Wow....
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I mean if I was interested
in spending the time to get their confidence, etc and get something worthwhile out of it, maybe I would.
But I’m not so I’m not going to waste everyone’s time doing the same stupid “how was the training for this fight?” interviews everyone else does.
I’m not a journalist I’m a fan who writes about the sport.
I like to keep my view of the sport pure by avoiding back stage gossip, inside business contacts and fighters.
I absorb my MMA info on TV and online just like any other fan and write based on what I see.
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Well, he is universally hated…
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
That was below the belt,even for the BE comment section.
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I've been waiting for this guy to get banned or leave for so long.
I’m hoping Kid Nate is in a bad mood and pulls the trigger on it.
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by pdl on Jun 4, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome.
All he did was bitch about stories being anti-UFC and how nothing was about the sport, then would have nothing to say on the actual fight breakdowns. We already have mmalogic, dammit!
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
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by pdl on Jun 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah i've noticed
the dipshits who bitch the most about my dana white posts never show their faces in the judo chops.
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I don't comment on the Chops often
but you better believe I read every damn one. I only show up when I have something to add that isn’t going to be explained much better by somebody else like judonerd, duck, or AboveThisFire.
What I think is the most damning is that they don’t take advantage of the Fanposts section and post the big stories that you guys are supposedly ignoring for Dana bashing, Zuffa hatred, gossip, or whatever they see in your writing. If there’s a story that gets missed, you handed them the tools to promote it themselves on your own fucking site, free of cost, direct to a prominently featured sidebar that regularly gets front-paged.
And those gossip accusations, as stated before, are ridiculous. I know you just said you like to stay on the outside, but I could talk your ear off with the crazy shit I’ve heard and verified from either reliable or primary sources. These guys are worse then a middle aged women’s book club. It would actually be interesting if there was a site that publicized the TMZish side of MMA and all the behind the scenes drama, but BE isn’t even close to it. I’m sure Jonathan or Brent will say the same.
Long rant short: You and the rest of staff are appreciated. Haters gonna hate and all that jazz. The rest of us will stick around as long as you keep the goods coming.
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thanks man
it’s appreciated. it’s mostly fun to swat the hornet’s nest, but sometimes get old.
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you try managing a blog of this size and allowing conversation
i’ve found being somewhat arbitrary is essential to maintaining order.
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Actually, that’s a tactic often used by totalitarian states. By keeping everyone slightly off-guard, the general populace is forced to be constantly mindful of itself, since everyone automatically thinking that the state is watching. I’m not criticizing, as I think you use your powers (largely) for good, but it’s an interesting observation.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
your handle is appropriate.
and yeah, i’m a student of crowd control. have to be authoritarian to run this madhouse.
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In case you dont know, that wasnt a shot at you Nate, there is a guy using KidNate without the space.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
yeah we did a SBNation network wide IP ban
on that charming character.
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I have to agree with this guy
It tends to turn me off when I see BAN all over the place. Simply because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t merit a ban.
by dreamers_12345 on Jun 5, 2010 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
?
I don’t do gossip as a rule. mostly i do fight analysis, I opine about the business aspects in a purely uninformed way and I try to post about the history of the sport but haven’t in a long time.
oh, and you’re banned.
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Glad you clarified
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
yeah it didn't come out quite the way I intended it
if it’s any consolation I dislike talking to promoters even more.
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THAT I can totally understand.
And the fighters to a lesser extent.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Nate and I share this. I think Luke does the best interviews in the business because he isn’t obvious in his questions and takes more unique routes to get to the answers. I’m not a good interviewer unless there is a real story I’m pushing on getting information for (i.e. WAMMA, Strikeforce skipping prelims..etc). As such it’s something that is a waste of time for me and for the readers.
You’d just get me going “you feeling good? training going well? what do you think he does well?”
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t Carwin say you’re one of his favorite bloggers?
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 4, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i heard dana said all the good mma writers write for ufc.com.
And you haven’t done any real blogging since the late 90’s / early 2000’s and don’t deserve to be on any p4p list. ……..
"When i get in there, in his face ,pressin the action,I'm RUFF NECKIN'EM,I'm throwin him around,I'm punchin him,hes punchin me, I'm eatin his shots and I'm Blastin him back in the face he's not goin to be able to handle it ." - Chris Leben on how his fight with Anderson Silva is gonna go.
by Rayce. on Jun 4, 2010 11:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Wonder how long it will take for the UFC to tell their fighters all together to stop doing small time interviews with fan sites so that they can be more in control of the media outlets of their fighters, as well as use the new control as leverage in acquiring deals with large media outlets for exclusive access.
what id like to know is...
where do u get info that tells u what a fighter is gettin paid?
fighters talk.
Tito told Hendo what he was getting and Hendo pushed hard to get an equal deal. Dana didn’t offer the same deal and Hendo bounced. We know how that worked out for him.
by snakecharmer1340 on Jun 4, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
given that it's part of his job...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Shane Carwin: Wonder why I wont do media request? Bloody Elbow stretched a 140 character tweet into two articles contradicting one another.
by smoogy2 on Jun 4, 2010 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 15 recs
Nice to see Shane is using the last month before his fight to its fullest potential dicking around on the MMA interwebs.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha. So many things I might say. What kind of jackass would present two sides to one story?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Presenting both sides of a story is one thing, but you wrote one article with the main point of “he isn’t going to do extra media because he won’t get paid any more anyway” and the other article saying “yeah he will probably do media because he will get paid more”.
In the end, both perspectives are correct. He’s not devouted much time to it causeit doesn’t get a buy cut. He will do the min necssary becuase to do otherwise would jeopardize his bonus.
And a win here will put him into position to start getting a buy cut.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Both perspectives arent correct… He made a stupid assumption in the first article and now he’s trying to save face.
In Carwins own words on why he’s not doing extra interviews:
Wonder why I wont do media request? Bloody Elbow stretched a 140 character tweet into two articles contradicting one another.
I have to make a choice spend 15 minutes with every guy that has a wordpress mma blog site or tape recorder or spend time speaking to you guys directly. If you have access to Zuffa you have access to me. If you do not your only other path would be through my manager. We decided we would not eliminate anyone and even open up our own thread so you can communicate and ask a question if you have a web site, have press credentials or not. I do not see Kobe Bryant making himself accessible like this.
I will still tweet, I will still post on the UG, I will be MORE accessible then ever before. You just wont have to go to other sites to get your information it will be available on my site. You don’t have to kiss my managers butt (it would take forever) to get access you just have to go to my site. Sure you wont have “exclusive” content but you will have quotes direct from the source.
Some media have praised the idea and others say I am not a big enough draw to make the media come to me. I am not saying come to me, I am just saying content is here if you want it. Access is here if you want it.
You fans and non Zuffa Credential Media will have direct access through www.shane-carwin.com. We are also producing our own “Primetime” show (something Brock would not do) so you can see inside my camp, meet my coaches and training partners and spend some time in my world.
I love the fans and I am thankful to have platforms that allow me to interact with you in the real time. We do not need someone to ask your questions so hit me up.
The writer was trying to make everyone believe Carwin doesnt want to do any media he doesnt have to and that Shane doesnt want to promote the fight because he’s only getting paid 50k. Yet Carwin is producing his own fucking primtime version on his website to sell the fight.
This “mma reporter” was the same guy making fun of Kevin Iole the other week.
This is not an isolated incident… a different jobber said the UFC was on “wobbly legs in the UK” really? The UFC’s last fight in the UK was a record gate. Zuffa has an 8 figure yearly contract with espn of which it’s content is usually the highest rated So how exactly is the UFC on “wobbly legs”.?
This genius was then quoted on here by Kid Nate.
All these guys are then laughing at Kevin Iole… It’s like sherdog forum posters laughing at mark twain
by mmalogic on Jun 4, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That's funny I didn't know he actually referenced BE. I thought someone as making a joke. You're right the initial article was premature. He is not cutting down media/interviews he's just making them more effecient for him as it relates to his time.
Ironicly if he had actually done a BE interview it would have prevented the confusion.
Did you even read the piece on Iole?He had run an article based around a quote by Dana (in regards to cutting Nick Diaz) that was 100% false.So Mr.Snowden’s peice was totally warranted,in that regard.
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Kid Nate ran an article with a quote that was 100% false. The other article which contradicts this one is completely false.
Dont throw stones when you live in a glass house.
can you give me a link please? I'd like to know what post you're talking about
and the other article is not completely false, it’s just one sided. Carwin and his management dramatically changed their tune after Zuffa read the first article.
why don’t you go police cage potato if we suck so bad?
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“UFC is on wobbly legs in the UK” you quoted it in a story about some nonsense of shitfarce doing kickboxing with some other org.
Carwins management changing its tune is utter bullshit. They’r eproducing their own primetime to sell the fight. So a few hours ago they didnt want to promote the fight because he wouldnt make any more money doing so and now they’ve decided to do a primtime? come on man… somebody is feeding you bullshit.
It takes Zuffa 48 hours plus to get into contact with managers regarding shit stories like this. Zuffa didnt contact anybody.
why don’t you go police cage potato if we suck so bad?
Because I have a man crush on Luke Thomas… I dream of a 3 way with him and Matt Brown, It would like fucking twins. Isnt that why everyone else is here?
by mmalogic on Jun 4, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's because even if you bitch about certain aspects of this site,
I know deep down you really like it here….
…and I think it’s mostly cause you like me. hahaha :P
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
then it wouldn't be a 3way dumbass
jesus!
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 4, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Your level of ignorance is sometimes shocking. It takes Zuffa 48 hours to respond to internet stories? OK?
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Carwin doesn't want to waste time with other websites,
and he would rather do it all in-house, on his own time, on his own site…(not including the mandatory UFC PR stuff of course) …Why? Because he would drive more traffic for his site, instead of spreading hits over different mma websites, which also means he gets more money, and he would be saving effort as he will be working at his own pace.
I love the media telling me i am wrong for not doing media. I will answer their ?s and yours on my site whats wrong with that. -Carwin
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
and for the record Shane,
You’re not Kobe. It’s not even comparable.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he mentioned Kobe because they both spent a lot of time travleing in and out of Eagle County.
by naturalist on Jun 4, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
First day on the job and you’ve already pissed off the interim HW champ. I think you’re going to do fine.
by John Nash on Jun 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder if Shane reads our comments too, I bet he thinks I am super awesome.
by DirtyML on Jun 4, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
that's a rec
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Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z
did you know
I’m the #8 MMA blogger in the world according to Shane’s rankings?
I think he meant it as a sarcastic dig, cause I’m clearly #1.
; )
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Who are the 5 most pretentious heavyweight fighters of all time? Think about it....Carwin, Carwin, Carwin, Carwin and Carwin.
"After I have a chipotle bleu cheese burger from Bennigan's I'll forget all about my Dad bein' queer and my Mom tryin to kill me!
by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 8:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Chuck, Tito, etc. That quote seemed a bit odd to me as well. He should have added “unknown” to " overpaid and underperforming".
by ufc4 on Jun 5, 2010 12:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Biggest Point
He rode fan support and media support all the way to a horribly undeserved title shot.
Now he wants to keep to himself. If he gets dominated he’s done. Losers with fan support stay on PPVs. Chumps with 1 big loss are close to being cut.
by Paradoxx on Jun 4, 2010 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
he had a title shot before Frank Mir even entered the picture. Diverticulitis happened and here we are.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I will not pay for any PPV he his prominently featured on
solely because fuck Chicago police. So much…
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Carwin responds.
My desire to connect and be more direct with the media and fans seems to cause some discussion on the internet. Lets be clear if you are a media site that can call into the UFC and ask to speak to Brock or me chances are you will get your interview. These sites are you top tier sites and they have a relationship with the UFC. The rest of the media usually is filtered through my management. They then decide if the request is viable and try to pin me down for time. I currently do not have any free time. Between being a new Dad, my son starting summer, training for Brock, working out and working I am swamped. I told my manager I needed to stop the meet and greets and just focus on the task at hand. Winning this fight is everything to me.
I however do not want to disappear from your radar screens. So we have begun to plan our own “Primetime” style show that will come out before the fight. I have established a dedicated thread for media, bloggers and even the fans to ask their questions. I intent to tweet, blog and stay active on my site, even more then before. Its a choice talk to media and ignore my social media presence or talk to you all direct (media included) and allow us to share in this journey.
To say I am limiting myself is ridiculous. I am increasing my access, my direct access. To spin this as a negative or even newsworthy is funny to me. The fans and those that need or desire access have it. If you have that relationship with the UFC, then you have access to me.
-Carwin
by snakecharmer1340 on Jun 4, 2010 8:39 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
…/…Between being a new Dad, my son starting summer, training for Brock, working out and working I am swamped…/…
… and I keep wondering how on earth this is even possible.
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
I don't care
if he talks with the media at all. I don’t need him to. I’m not a fan of listening to athletes, I’m a fan of watching them perform.
I don’t think athletes should have to talk to the media ever, only if they want to.
Yet they do to some members of BE…It’s a real mystery…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
*staff members that should say
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m credentialed for UFC events when I want to go. Honestly I just don’t have it in my budget to fly around and cover events.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Given that they've been the ones to tell me so...
I would assume that they’re aware
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So basically you’re here to bitch about the article and be a dick to me? Wonderful! Your contributions are just blowing everyone away.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
They call me the “Jonathon Snowden” of comment posting for a reason.
by dumbwhiteguy on Jun 4, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
dumbwhiteguy = Shane Carwin
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
you will be credentialed under sbnation right not bloody elbow?
by The Omaplatapus on Jun 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly I am not sure...
I was up front when discussing it with them and they are aware that I wear both hats…
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s tricky. Things you learn at a UFC can inform your reporting, but you can’t liveblog or do interviews for anyone bu the credentialing outfit. I know it was always a tough line to walk or Sam Caplan at 5 OZ.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Right...
it’s a real pain.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Does that mean you have a non disclosure agreement kicking in if you’re not writing for the “right” site or is it a mutual agreement ?
Well, anybody who knows me knows I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true. Or what did or didn't happen.
You do sign a form before you get credentials that spells out how they work. I suspect a violation would be lack of future access. Of course, it all depends on who you are. Dave Meltzer is never going to be told he can’t do writeups at the Observer site just because his credentials say “Yahoo.”
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 5, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know but I think Mr. Snowden just became another reason after today :D
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 4, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin just explained why… You have these guys twisting everything a fighter says. In the first Article the writer said Carwin doesnt want to do media or promote the fight beyond the mandatory obligations because he’s only making 50k for the fight. Really?
Carwin comes out and says he’s producing his own primetime on his site to promote the fight and he’s going to do as much media as he can… just not with some blogs because of shit like this.
It’s not hard to figure out why Zuffa credentialing is important… imagine if sherdog’s forum posters had access to the UFC. 8 dollar domain names would make that a reality if it wasnt for Zuffa’s strict rules.
I think you’re misrepresenting a little too. The main point was that it was better for carwin to error on the side of doing less interviews rather than doing extensive interviews becase of his time constraints and not getting a cut of the buys. Most ppl think that is a wise choice. Carwin has confirmed that he is making innovative changes to how he handles media in an effort to bemore time efficient.
If Zufffa told him he was getting a cut it might result in him quiting his job and even more efforts at media relations. Would shane keep working full tme if he knew for a fact he was making a mill?
by naturalist on Jun 4, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
read the comments… the writer was basically confirming that carwin was only making 50k and that’s why he doesnt want to do interviews or promote the fight.
He told everyone to trust him because he’s an “mma reporter”.
Next time Luke Thomas starts crying about Zuffa credentialing and media practices bring up these 2 blog posts and pretty much every other kid nate post,
wanna do Glenn Beck Journalism but then want to be treated like walter cronkite..
You have no clue what you are talking about here. The BE hierachy knows what my sourcing was for this. I feel comfortable that my reporting was on point in the first post.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Cronkite was a bitch
Bad comparison. Check out Cronkite and his lefty leanings.
I think this site and the guys running it are on top of stuff. Being truthful and impartial is pretty important to me when I’m reading an article and want to figure out if a guy is being realistic or if he’s full of shit, angry, axe to grind. This article was a good article. just my .02. I’m a Carwin fan too but I can look at a situation and figure out if somebody is trying to be deceptive.
I know two Zuffa credentialed sites turned down for an interview yesterday.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously though, this is the kind of hard, cutting edge journalism that makes an average journalist like Ariel Helwani the best in the business.
by dumbwhiteguy on Jun 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Let me clarify...
maybe it’s my history of watching boxers go through this…but there is actually a reason why people care. It’s not like BE cares because we would have been requesting an interview and now can’t get it (as some have implied). We could do many interviews with fighters, but it’s not something that we really thrive on, so we don’t.
1. Preparation – When a fighter says “I’m cutting out _” it lets you know where he’s at mentally for his training. If a guy leaves home for two months to go train in big bear or whatever it’s news. When a guy says he’s dropping non-manditory media appearances it shows some insight into his preparation for the fight…etc.
2. Future fights – I’ve seen plenty of boxers who have trouble getting the fights they want when they’ve shown a history of not doing the most they possibly can to promote major fights previously. Don’t get me wrong, I’m aware that the promotional model is different. But at the same time anyone who thinks there aren’t fights turned down and negotiations that go on in the UFC is wrong. There’s this idea that the UFC says “this is your next fight” and that’s that, but fights are turned down all the time. If you get a PPV cut and you’re toward the top of the division are you going to take a risky fight with Carwin who has shown that he may decide he is too busy to go the extra mile in promotion or are you going to look for a fight with a Mir or Lesnar who will help the fight sell?
Yeah, if he wins the title, the impact of that is lessened, but so is his ability to blow off the extra media work that comes with being at the top.
Don’t confuse what I’m saying. Shane is a great fighter and more than entitled to handle his fight camp and life how he wants. But to say that this isn’t news is ignorant to a lot of factors that go into the fight game.
Finally, people bitched at Jonathan because he wrote the original piece. He then writes the other side of the story to show the different aspects at play and even drops some more interesting and important information and a bunch of those same people are still pissed. BE has a good community, but it’s pretty fucking hard to please sometimes.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 4, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
true.
and for the record, I agree with Brent and Jon, but I also do understand where Carwin is coming from, and I really can’t blame him for this decision..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 4, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t care if he does 1000 interviews or just does one. I know who will get any prime interview gig they secure anyway.
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 4, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
One thing I love about this site
to see the flow of conversations change within just one post. Snowden, I understood your article, the earlier and this post, dont know why all of the confusion.
I told you not to f*ck with me.
by Romoesbueno on Jun 4, 2010 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Because MMA fans love to complain about anything and everything.Snowden isn’t on staff here,they complain.He gets on staff and starts putting out solid content,and they complain even more.There’s always something to beef about with these people.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 4, 2010 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what if
i am truly leaning towards carwin to win i think the time away from the octagon combined with health conditions and lack of training during that time off will play a big role in this fight. i think carwin has all the tools needed to beat brock.
but if carwin does win
is he going to remain working full time as an engineer and a college wrestling coach? seems like between the obligations of being a champion and the obligations of his nine to five jobs his time will be stretched thin.
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 4, 2010 11:42 PM EDT reply actions
It's a moot point.
Carwin is knocking Brock out, and that’s a fact Jack!!
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 5, 2010 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
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