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Can Increase in Crossover Talent Ignite More Interest in Women's MMA?

Is Sara McMann the first of many highly-credentialed women's wrestlers to enter MMA?

Crossover athletes have long been a staple of the upper-echelon of most weight classes in mixed martial arts. NCAA Division I wrestling champions litter the landscape of the UFC as well as accomplished Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belts who've delved deeply into the sport of grappling before ever making a claim as the best mixed martial arts fighter in the world. Impressive credentials in the amateur circuit doesn't necessarily equal success, but it certainly pushes the level of talent within a roster to new heights.

Imagine a Georges St. Pierre without the shark tank that is the UFC's welterweight division. Fighters such as Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, Matt Hughes, and even B.J. Penn certainly helped mold the St. Pierre we see today, a phenomenal wrestler who doesn't possess any notable amateur credentials in wrestling.

Men's mixed martial arts has obviously benefited from these crossover athletes, and it's certainly created more depth, more intrigue, and a new path for amateur champions as a career. Women's mixed martial arts, on the other hand, has been relatively quiet in its growth from crossover talent due to a few factors such as the scarcity of wrestling programs for women resulting in lower numbers that we don't really see in men's mixed martial arts.

Women's MMA seems to have a "minor league" that feeds mostly from professional wrestling "divas", as they're nicknamed in the WWE, and Muay Thai backgrounds. That's mostly on a North American level while Japan does have highly-skilled women who possess both striking and grappling pedigrees.The problem, however, is that much like the male segment of MMA, Japanese talent is largely unknown to casual fans in the States.

There is, however, some interesting crossover talent now entering the sport. Sherdog.com profiled Sara McMann, an American silver medalist in the 2004 Summer Olympics in wrestling and three-time national champion, as entering the sport next Friday night at the age of 29. Ronda Rousey, a 2008 Olympic bronze medalist in Judo, will also make a debut this year.

Be prepared for more of this level of talent coming into the sport as the inclusion of women's wrestling in the Olympics along with more women's wrestling programs popping up around the country should add to the talent pool. It will certainly add some interest from the hardcore fanbase, but can the increased level of skill finally translate to some appeal from casual fans?

It's tough to say, and I'd probably lean toward the negative at this point in time. Sex appeal has largely been the reason why many casual viewers tune in for a Gina Carano battle, but there is also the appeal of a women like Cris "Cyborg" Santos in that it's somewhat of a "freakshow" in how strong and skilled she is in comparison to her opponents. Obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone, but there is some of those elements to the current appeal of those fights. Can women's MMA get away from that appeal and become a legitimate interest to all fans for their skills rather than their look?

Entertaining fights tend to sell, and with the infusion of talent -- I think there is some potential for that to happen with deeper divisions and more women entering the sport. Obviously, the more attractive women will likely have a leg up on the competition in terms of sponsorships and mass appeal to an audience. To me, that's unfair to those women who are truly talented and want to undertake this sport, but it's a reality at the moment.

One of the biggest women's fights took place at Moosin between Roxanne Modaferri and Tara LaRosa, and it took place on a stage that was very, very secluded in comparison to a Strikeforce Challengers card. It's unfortunate, but I think the future looks a bit stronger for women's MMA as the women coming out of the amateur circuits could infuse the women's segment of this sport with some much needed talent that's not only skilled, but begging at the chance to create a name for themselves.

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Womens MMA…..meh

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, it's like WNBA, the sport we love, but slower, and with less power.....

I can take it or leave it. I’ve seen plenty of exciting women’s fights, but I’m not one at the for front saying we NEED this. If women want to fight, great, let them, but the talent pool is so shallow right now it just doesn’t matter. Also, I’m very old fashioned. I’d rather see my ladies in aprons and shit. Whatever.

by JimJoe on Jun 4, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d bet that woman’s MMA will never be a big deal simply because that’s the pattern. Woman’s boxing? Basically nonexistent. The WNBA? Inconsequential. Woman’s hockey? Peaks during Olympic time (though it’s likely not to come back next winter Olympics due to a lack of competition) but other then that, again, not a big deal. Women’s football? nonexistent. The LPGA? Dwarfed by the PGA. Etc etc etc.

I’d be happy if woman’s MMA can break the pattern, and maybe they can with this “crossover intrigue” element, but i don’t see it happening.

by Goonisis on Jun 4, 2010 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The only dual gender sport that women are the main draw is tennis.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

sexy wedgie

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO!

Rec’ed for chappelle reference.
“Is pimping easy?”
-“Hell yeah!”
“Somehow that is correct.”

by WhitezephyR on Jun 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

thanks for the thanks. :)

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

also hot. Especally team Brazil…whooo that’s borderline porn right there.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would women’s tennis be as popular if it didn’t have a bunch of hot 13 year old russian girls grunting?

by sloppyknoll on Jun 4, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

short anser…no

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

…..not that I’m into 13 year old Russian girls grunting.

by sloppyknoll on Jun 4, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure...

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

An exciting women fight is the exception right now not the rule. Give it another 5 years and we might see some trully great talent, right now its Cyborg and Baisler. Carano is sexy thats main reason I watch her.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I would disagree. It is often the case that the women steal the show. Especially in the smaller organizations.

by j.villain on Jun 4, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree I guess. Everytime I go corner for a teammate at a smaller event the womens fights are sloppy 3 round crawlers. Once in a while I catch a good female fight, but like I said, exception, not the rule.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I think there needs to be that one female MMA, one female (any sport) that needs to have a real ergh cocky swagger that can really promote a fight, I think that will interest a lot of people.

I am color commentating for a local promotion tomorrow night, that is headlined by 2 female pro fighters (one who lost to Jan Finney in October and one a former high school all-American wrestler) and both of these women have been hyping up the event via words and it has got our community here talking about this event, and it actually has sold out.

So I think if the Female MMA can embrace the art of selling a fight based off skills and trash talk, it could help get people entertained.

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 4, 2010 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

The thing I find with the women is that for the most part are hell bent and relentless in promoting their fights. Meisha Tate should really get a job doing fight promotion after her career is over. The problem is that they are stuck on smaller boards etc that don’t reach a larger audience like BE and others do.

WMMA is actually growing at a pretty good pace right now. It is seldom that a smaller show does a card with out a WMMA fight now. It was just with the last year that SF has crowned their 135 and 145 champs. Bellator has a 115 tournament on tap for the fall and SF should be announcing their 135 tournament soon. Who is headlining the next KotC event? The ladies
All of this is giving the ladies more places to fight and more attention and that is bringing in more fighters. Things are really looking up for WMMA.

by j.villain on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

The first thing female MMA needs to do is get rid of these 3 minute rounds.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

recced for truth

we also need to look at japan more, they have plenty of good fights. Also, Marloes Coenen rules!

by MyrkN on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Does any one do 3min rounds any more?

by j.villain on Jun 4, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope not, it’s retarded. The WNBA dosen’t lower the hoop, why have 3 min rounds, it’s silly.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but they use a smaller ball.

But anyway, the three minute rounds are retarded.

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really a smaller ball? Didn’t know that.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it’s almost gone from the top level now, the three minute rounds. It disappeared during last year.

by Sventsh on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll tell you right now, nude womens MMA, now theres something to watch.
Ultimate surrender anyone?

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:33 PM EDT reply actions  

And so what?

Just having a little bit of fun.

by Goonisis on Jun 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'd watch.

Of course I’d watch. So would you judonerd. unless yous a chick.

In which case…Date Mike’s here.

Date Mike. Nice to meet me.

by Body Triangle on Jun 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a guy, 6'1" and 200 lbs.

and i feel really uncomfortable right now.

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

its just a picture that says funnychill.com. hotlink error?

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kirstie Alley vs. Roseanne?

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 4, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there's already some pornographic film where you can see that.

Go look for it. You’re into what you’re into.

In the meantime, stop denigrating female fighters by suggesting that their only worth watching if they’re putting on a sex show for you.

If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.

by Sabate on Jun 4, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

there is it’s called ultimate surrender.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh shit

Rhonda Rousey is gonna do MMA? She’s a beast. Beastess? Whatever. Hope she can strike.

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjoMMpWUWKA

Rousey’s video form the fightlinker article, with a SIIIIIIIICCCCCKKKK Harai. Beats the Nate Diaz Harai by a mile.

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

She’s also hawt as f*ck Damn!

by WhitezephyR on Jun 4, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sex sells people!

The only thing that is going to take WMMA to the next level is more sexy ladies. I am not saying that is right but its just the sad reality of things.

"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard

by Bandaka on Jun 4, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

REC'D

Gina Carano is the only female that has ever drawn viewers. & it’s because she’s so sexy.

by steak_knife on Jun 4, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only interest people have in WMMA

is watching Cyborg beat up over matched little girls. It gives them some kind of sick pleasure.

by MMAGuard on Jun 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

ding.

uuuh yeah I write for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Thanks?

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 4, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll admit

Watching Cyborg’s training vids, knowing that if I trimmed off the love handles, I’d be her size, and knowing that she’d quite possibly rip me a new A-hole… has a certain appeal.

And then watching her tooooool her opponents Wand-style, that’s some fun stuff.

Speaking of Wand, he had a video up of one of the gals who trains at his gym, (yes she’s also ridiculously hot and muscled) who was pretty badass.

I’m all for good MMA! Men, Women, I don’t really care as long as the action is good.

by hardlyworking on Jun 4, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Id say Lesnar vs Mir II was a “freakshow” in how strong and skilled he was in comparison to his opponent

by pandaboy99 on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Watching a Cybor fight, is like watching a Male bantamweight destroy a female flyweight.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT reply actions  

an olympic wrestler or an olympic judoka could be just the thing to stop all the ragdolling she does on her other opponents.

by judonerd on Jun 4, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just like watching good fights

so I don’t care what the weight class is or if girls are fighting. I can see others points of view though. The WNBA is atrocious basketball in my opinion. I think that’s mostly because they can’t play at the same pace and intensity as you see in an NBA game. With WMMA, I have seen technical, well paced fights.

by ace328 on Jun 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I consider this a positive development.

by JRN on Jun 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Id say womens soccer is/ or was fairly poppular

Back with Mia Hamm.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Jun 4, 2010 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

ugh reply fail

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Jun 4, 2010 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was when they won the World Cup

The Women’s Pro League is awful to look at and clubs have begun to fold.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 4, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats true

But id say for a long time The womens league was superior to MLS.

All of that is irrelevant cause US soccer leagues are dwarfed by the international stage. Which Womens soccer is still pretty damn big.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Jun 4, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You raise a valid point, but ignore something important as well.
Obviously, the more attractive women will likely have a leg up on the competition in terms of sponsorships and mass appeal to an audience. To me, that’s unfair to those women who are truly talented and want to undertake this sport, but it’s a reality at the moment.

Attractive people make more money in every profession and MMA is no different, even for men. It isn’t coincidence that guys who aren’t solid like bodybuilders (Tim Sylvia, Roy Nelson) don’t get the same attention as the sculpted gods (GSP, Roger Huerta). Being pretty sells the men too, even to other guys.

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by pdl on Jun 4, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions  

sad but true… and kinda creepy.

"Bottom line, wrestling is a martal art. If you can’t hang, go kickbox for K-1."

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 4, 2010 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

The only way Womens MMA will generate any type of interest is if the fighters were naked

and even then they would never be accepted they would just get a lot more viewers

"They lie about marijuana. Tell you pot-smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference."

by atmosphere on Jun 4, 2010 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Many of the viewers would be quite literally a bunch of stiffs.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 4, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crossover talent definitely increases the level of WMMA but generating interest is up to the fighters and promotions they fight for.

Everybody should watch the Shana Olsen/Yoko Takahashi fight btw.
For me a FOTY candidate (men and women)

by KOQ24 on Jun 4, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Canadian female wrestler

How about this 6 time world champ that wrestled at university of Alberta when I was there in 1993. Alas she is 39 now and has Bas Rutten’s knees and thus is retired. She was also decent looking and competed at 160lbs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_Nordhagen
http://www.wrestling.ca/i/articles/Nordhagen_04.jpg

by zanelewis on Jun 4, 2010 9:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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