Boxing's David Haye Calls James Toney "Delusional" for Taking UFC Fight With Randy Couture
by Luke Thomas on Jun 30, 2010 2:44 PM EDT
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"Six months of training isn’t going to be enough," Haye said. "As a UFC fan, I know two or three years wouldn’t be enough. How many times has Toney sprawled in his life? 500? How many leg kicks has he taken in his life? 300? How many Kimura attempts has he defended? 140? Even if he’s done double that amount, he wouldn’t have nearly the experience needed to win a UFC fight."
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"I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power," Haye said. "After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap.
"And I hit a lot harder and I’m so much faster than James, and I couldn’t land a punch on fighters when all they wanted to do was take me down to the ground. James is a much more static fighter than I am, and is going to get thrown on his back immediately by Randy. I admire Toney’s spirit and boxing skills. But he’s delusional here."
-- David Haye, heavyweight champion of the World Boxing Association
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by slantedwindows on Jun 30, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Telling it like it is
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very confused by your comment…echo?
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"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 30, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
When Keeping it Real goes even further to the right!
My brain is like a box of chocolates... you never know when it`s gonna melt.
by BlueberryMuffin on Jun 30, 2010 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I knew he liked MMA but this REALLY suprised me
He also criticized Enzo Maccrinelli for wanting to try MMA after Haye knocked the interest in boxing out of him.
This explains GSP's gameplan against BJ Penn.
“I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power,” Haye said. “After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap.”
And all GSP had to do there was hold BJ against the cage for 5 minutes. I don’t see Toney lasting 5 minutes against the cage with Randy. Death fighter or not, James Toney is not Randy Couture’s equal when it comes to dirty boxing.
And that assumes Randy’s willing to let James stand up at all. I foresee GnP from Toney’s half-guard. The only way Toney avoids getting beaten up is if he lands an illegal kick from that position and gets DQ’d.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Death fighter or not, James Toney…
Sir, Toney’s father was the original death fighter.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jun 30, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely agree
Good to hear a boxer who knows what they’re talking about mma.
Btw, didn’t Rahman say he was going to try mma a while back?? Any updates from him?
I agree with David Haye.
In other news:
by Verklemptomaniac on Jun 30, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
yeah
its from the documentary the Cove I think. Its a little whale wars preachy, but its basically about this town in Japan where they kill dolphins. Worth a watch.
Unless
you are one of those people who aren’t a big fan of seeing dolphins being slaughtered and having your dreams haunted by their screaming.
by JayKim41 on Jun 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dolphin blood gets you high….or so I’ve heard.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jun 30, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and it cures diseases
but only if its from a suffering dolphin
by Body Triangle on Jun 30, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you could always drink some bleach and cure yourself ;P
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jun 30, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
Are you a Lawfin or a Jewfin?
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 30, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you noticed that suffering makes food taste better?
Veal? Delicious.
Foie gras? SUPER DELICIOUS.
Ortolan? NOMNOMNOM.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
I’m afraid to ask but will anyway, what is Ortolan?
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 30, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a small bird.
You force feed it to fatten it up.
Then you drown it in armangac (brandy, basically).
Then you roast it whole.
Then you eat it whole with a napkin over your face to:
a) keep the aromas in, and
b) HIDE YOUR SHAME FROM GOD.
Doesn’t that sound great?
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YES! ROGER DID THIS ON FAMILY GUY THEN TRIPPED OUT
by Body Triangle on Jun 30, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Roger is on American Dad
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Are you sure?
He might be on Family Guy as well wearing one of his TOTALLY CONVINCING DISGUISES.
Either way: cruelty = deliciousness.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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Sold.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 30, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Nice.
My wife just finally found an excuse to use that professionally the other day.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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It annoys me when people ask non-specific questions that they could have just as easily Googled, but I’m 19 and don’t remember life before the internet and have Google set as my home page. I guess it’s just a part of my life haha
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RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Yeah I found it on wikipedia after the Google, but there were alot of entries and after I checked out the Star Wars entry I decied to quit reading.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh cool
Sounds like a smart guy. Cardio is such a different beast in MMA then in any other combat sport. It’s absolutely paramount.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Well...
cardio is every bit as important in boxing, in some cases more so, when you think about the potential of 10 or 12 3-minute rounds. Boxers, especially in the lighter weight classes tend to be absolute cardio freaks, because they have to be.
I think he’s more making a point about how grappling drains punching power by activating your muscles in a different way, which is both interesting and insightful.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
To David Haye...
Lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is. I get more stunts and props than Bruce Willis- Guru
holy shit
a boxer isnt calling mma gay? and mma fighters fags for the ground game? wow this is amazing
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
One of the few educated statements I have seen from a fighter
on both sides of the absurd boxing vs. mma debate.
Here's the thing
What I like is that he’s able to support MMA without making a statement about boxing’s larger viability. Boxing is what boxing is and MMA is something different, equally viable. One can enjoy either or both and that’s ok. Respect to Haye for not making it either/or.
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 30, 2010 2:27 PM EDT reply actions 12 recs
I like it too
Honestly, I don’t understand why there isn’t greater crossover. I’m always a little surprised when a boxing fan tells me that they hate MMA or an MMA fan craps all over boxing. I’m pro-combat sports, period.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
by Monte Fisto on Jun 30, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
MMA fans are bullies. Boxing fans are elitist. It makes communicating our similarities impossible.
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
That must make Brent some kind of sick “elitist-bully”.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
pip pip cheerio you assbag
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 30, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
How the hell is this not green?
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
But if Bloody Elbow is elitist and filled with MMA fans
Are we elitist bullies?
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
No
we’re douchebags
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
So you're saying elitists can't be douchebags?
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
It's a chemical change
Elitism + bullying = douchebag. There’s no way of reversing it.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer the term asshole thank you very much.
Lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is. I get more stunts and props than Bruce Willis- Guru
shut up you jerk
We’re douchbegs and that’s that.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
Exactly.
Wear it with PRIDE! (see what I did there)
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I rather turd sandwhich over Giant Douche
The great debate continues
I get more rec's then a Toyota!
I heard Pfizer was working on a cure.
by John Nash on Jun 30, 2010 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We’ll all die 6 months later and then wake up as douchebag zombies
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Meaning individuals who stay up for 4a.m. streams from Japan.
by Brent Ducharme on Jun 30, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I only want a 4am Japanese stream if it's from this guy
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Akiyama what are you doing?……sigh….
USMC vet. MMA nut. Rousimar Palhares is a dirty fighter.
Pain don't hurt...
Name?
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by Richard Wade on Jun 30, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, that went even better than expected.
by Brent Ducharme on Jun 30, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the combination of animal fur + leather
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
By graphic I was referencing
Stream
Not the photo…
I thought it was pretty graphic of you to say you would let him cream on you at 4 am…
I know, I know… It’s a little bit extreme.
But if it’s okay any other time of the day, why not 4am?
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 30, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNgaxKfyZU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNgaxKfyZU&feature=related
"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn
I like this guy. This is the kind of mentality that can keep boxing alive…none of this “our sport is superior” bull, if boxing wants to stick around, putting both sports apart from one another with a mutual respect is what will make the difference.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
This is certainly not to say that MMA is what is killing boxing…that sport has a laundry list of other things they need to sort through if they want to keep it alive, MMA being at the bottom of that list.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 30, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i think lately boxing has been doing ok
last few years I’ve become a bigger fan, and there has been some good fights.
GreenHouse
great stuff.
i particularly liked his reasoning why the boxing skill would suffer when put in a MMA fight. I’d love to hear more about his time with MMA.
Great analysis regarding boxing in MMA. Now if he would only step in the ring with a Klistchko brother…
Ricky Hatton came closer to beating Manny Pacquiao than Marquez did to beating Floyd.
-SC
by The Lethal Haze on Jun 30, 2010 2:31 PM EDT reply actions
I expect no less than Couture to go for the double in the first 5 secs of the match, waiting any longer spells trouble
It will probably look a lot like the Kimbo v Mercer fight. Randy will probably just feint his punches instead of risking actually throwing a punch and when Toney covers his head with his arms out of habit Randy will shoot, take him down, and submit or GnP him.
Yeah – halfway through a Couture Double-Leg Takedown™.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jun 30, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude needs to stop ducking The Bros.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
He'll fight them eventually and get destroyed
He’s just too small compared to the brothers.
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What brothers won't he fight?
I’m not resting until I’m officially Anderson Silva status.- Jon "Bones" Jones
Yeah. I couldn't tell at first. I'm not a confident fellow. I needed reassurance.
Lol. Anyway, at first I thought it was Raging Bull for some reason, though that movie was shot in black and white.
LaMotta’s mohawk is the stuff of boxing lore.
by Brent Ducharme on Jun 30, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hint: Raging Bull is in B&W...
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Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 30, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Haaaaaaaaaaaayyyye
in the middle of the barn
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
I really wanna see Wlad vs Vitali. The odds of that happening are just about as good as seeing the Hayemaker taking on either of the brothers K.
You don't like wrestling in MMA? Go watch K-1.
by Monday Morning Martial Artist on Jun 30, 2010 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Haye had fights lined up with both of the Klitschko’s last year, but backed out to take other fights with a greater money/risk ratio. Which would be just fine if he hadn’t spent much of his heavyweight stint talking smack about the Klitschko’s….but whatever.
It is finally good to hear from a boxer who’s not completely ignorant of mma.
Glad to see Haye
has he head screwed on straight.
Fight Wladimir please!
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
James Toney is the greatest fighter of all time.
If Randy shoots in on Toney he is going to get choked out or blasted to the moon. David Haye has no idea what he is talking about, James Toney has fought all the best fighters in the world. Did I mention how Toney is THE original death fighter!
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
his dad is
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 30, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, as much as I know Randy will win, I would love it if Toney won. The fallout would be really interesting. The internet broke when Fedor lost so I can just imagine what would happen if Toney won…lol…even better if Toney submitted Couture….that would be awesome.
I'm calling it now:
Toney by flying omaplata in the first round
But if you are stupid, you will be beaten with a stick - Proverbs 10:13
Slightly off topic
He makes several astute points, although I’m a little surprised to see so many people in agreement with Haye given how many patrons of this site appear to think that someone with a big edge in striking will overcome someone with significantly superior wrestling (Njokuani-Roller, Warren against everyone he’s fought, Askren against everyone he’s fought in the Bellator tournament, etc.). Since I fully agree that it’s hard to hit someone who only wants to take you down, I’m going to follow this line of thinking to its logical conclusion and pick Sonnen over Silva in an upset.
Youre forgetting something pretty important here.
Silva has been fighting in MMA for years as well as a black belt in jiu-jitsu.
Toney is a washed up boxer who is the definition of “puncher’s chance”.
More often than not a grappler will win the matchup with a striker but in this case it should be a well rounded fighter (Couture) vs a one dimensional striker (Toney)
I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
You’re right — I was oversimplifying to make a point. Even though the analogy isn’t perfect, there is a tendency to overstate a striker’s ability to “catch” a wrestler coming in for a takedown. Although it happens, getting caught is pretty rare when the wrestler doesn’t want to engage.
by The Darkness on Jun 30, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
This has more to do with the strikes to the head...
While grounded rule than anything else in my opinion. You’d see a lot more KO/TKO off of a failed takedown otherwise.
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I’m glad that the guy, who would beat Usain Bolt in the 100M if being chased by a Klitschko, is talking -ish about James Toney.
James Toney SHOULD lose this fight, however Toney is confident, and he may land a combination or two and make it interesting. I will be at the weigh-ins and the fight (Loge5 Row 22 come say hi), and imo if you’re not hyped up when Buffer announces them and the first 1:00, I think you’re nuts. Sorry guys. I think Toney is brilliant in a way, because at least people are talking about him, he’s going to make some money – fight in front of like 16-17K and (hopefully) a great atmosphere……..Also I HATE David Haye.
by thebookofrob on Jun 30, 2010 5:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Underdog
James is very dangerous and he is serious, but he will be an underdog, I know this is not how the numbers work at least i don’t know any books that do mma fights with 10 to 1 type format, but thats about what it should be and I’m putting my money on Toney, I’ve been lookin for a job since end of school and if I can find one in time, I’m puttin a real good bet on Toney!
Luke excuse my language
But this artical is fuckn awesome
What ever Hayes!
Toney, fuck them all, get your kicks right, ground game, takedown defense, wrestling , I mean train all MMA and don’t fuck around, show these fools what lights out is really about. get that ground game in, submissions, kicks and of course your deadly hands.If you gain a Decent MMA game. you can neutralize your opponent with a decent MMA game, Then James you can let your boxing shine. I train Both, just because you couldn’t handle it doesn’t mean somebody else can’t… I’ve train both and my power isn’t just gone lol what are you talking abouit, your obviously not able to fight MMA, every other MMA fighter seems to still have power. My money is on Toney and h’es prolly gonna be like 10 to 1 or somethin like that and I’m gonna scrounge up whatever money I can with my job less ass and bet it on Toney… Lights Out Baby.
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