Chuck Liddell Talks Dana White - "He Can Still Make Money on Me Fighting"
by Nick Thomas on Jun 28, 2010 11:40 PM EDT
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Repeatedly getting viciously knocked out is not good for your health, Chuck.
I hope he does the right thing.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Hopefully it's not already too late.
When I see him act weird cage side like he is having a stroke standing, it’s kinda scary.
I'm a lover not a fighter
Yeah
but he’s been having those Chuck-gasms for years though.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Imagine what epic chuck-gasms Heidi must witness
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 29, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
MMA is not good for your health
he should keep going, didn’t he make 500 grand the last time? I hurt my back going to work for much less
long signatures are gay
Well that should be Chuck's primary motivation
As long as Dana can still make money on it, then please by all means go for it.
BOOSH
Chuck vs Wandy 2. Saw the first one live, would go again if they made it happen.
Be a man, not a child-Phil Anselmo
by ANance on Jun 28, 2010 9:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Never a Chuck fan but this talk = sad face
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 28, 2010 9:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
If someone sneezes hard enough in the arena chuck will go unconscious… it’s over.
by mmalogic on Jun 29, 2010 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Oh Chuck
Do yourself a favor and retire.
"Even the Swedes are getting mad."-Randy Hahn
"It's very cozy in the sin bin."-Randy Hahn
That is a horrible freeze frame.
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 28, 2010 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
*Sigh*
These images are telling you to retire.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
You're missing the Shogun KO
Lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is. I get more stunts and props than Bruce Willis- Guru
by Dr. Octagon on Jun 28, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, Shogun is a good finisher. That first punch wasn't even that strong, but it was the g&p that ended the fight.
Same with the Machida fight,
Not to take any thing away from Shogun
But I attribute that to Chucks failing chin more so than to any abilities on Shoguns part.
Look at his knees completely buckle from an ‘pawing’ over extended jab.
Shogun lost a close decision! Everyone get crazy!
You gotta admit his GnP is some of the best out there
It almost looks like Chuck wakes up when he hits the floor but Shogun has a falling hammerfist ready to connect.
This is an especially telling GIF
Because it shows that this was a genuinely, poorly placed punch by Franklin. No rotation of the torso, no extension of the hip, maybe 3 inches of rotation from the shoulder. Plus, the you can see near the end that his fist lands at a sideways angle, and could not possibly be real hard because it is relying on the support of the wrist joint and ligaments to hold the force instead of the bones of the arm(as it would be at the proper end of your fist). In reality, this punch should not have even dropped a Tyson Griffin or say Matt Serra kind of fighter, Maybe sting them and make them back up or put their hands up. Yet all of Chucks bodily functions cease, as if a cougar bit into his spine at the base of the neck. This is a clear indication of cranial subjugation. Unfortunately, doctors at this high level of profiteering, do and say what the Promoters and Fighters want them to say.
by SimplePsych on Jun 28, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I totaly agree- you can never be 100% sure the fact remainis I was not the one who got hit buy that shot but it did not look like it should of caused any where near the damage it did. The punch to me looks like it was almost all arm power alone and when it did hit it was a glancing impact. And 2nd its Rich Franklin a fighter who has never been known to have great power. probably Franklins rating would be below average power for 205. The bottom line like you said is Chucks Brain can not take any sort of trama at all. His lights shut off so dam easy and that = Danger
Agreed
The Franklin/Liddell gif is 100% proof he can’t take anymore punishment and that Shogun knockdown was with very little hip movement and extended far out and Chucks body went limp instantly. I really hope no athletic commission is willing to license him, he really is refusing to hang it up. Poor guy. Let the ego go and accept that you were top of the food chain at one point in UFC history. There is plenty of success to be had in training up and coming fighters. Court McGee looks very promising with Chuck in his corner.
Fedor and Igor landed a lot of those ridge hand type strikes, and Franklin’s is kind of similar. That right hand may have looked technically awful, but it was so accurately placed on Chuck’s chin that I’m not sure anyone with that kind of forward momentum could have taken that punch.
If anything it’s the Shogun KO that’s truly telling. It’s a looping arm punch that lands on his cheek/orbital area yet it completely buckles him. Compare to this to the absolute bombs Quinton landed on him in their Pride match and it’s like night and day. The first Quinton fight more than anything was what truly demonstrated this man had a monster chin in his heyday. I’m pretty sure the punch that Mezger dropped him with would have put him into a coma now.
Does anyone else think he very possibly gets KO’ed by Ortiz? Tito’s striking may be shit, but Chuck’s chin is so absolutely done I can’t help but think it’s a real possibility.
by David Castillo on Jun 29, 2010 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
David yes I have thought exactly that if the 3rd Tito fight happens. If that fight doea take place I would still pick Chuck to win but it would not surprise me one bit if Tito landed something and Ko’ed him eather. Chucks Chin well I should say his brain. Becasue its his brain that turns off now with punches that would not even faze him a few years ago. The more damage a fighter takes the easier it is is for the brain to shut off AKA get Ko’ed in ones career.
I'm not so sure
How badly placed that punch was. He hit Chuck right on the button as he was coming in – that’s a lot of momentum in Rich’s favor, meaning that the punch doesn’t have to be very hard to be effective. It was a hard strike at the point of contact, and I think a lot of people would have been dropped (if not KO’d) by that one.
That said, Chuck is done, and should retire for his own health.
certified warlord
Cranial Subluxation...
is the word you’re looking for. also possible Cranial Fixation. Those are possible factors in Chuck no longer being able to take punishment. However, I find it hard to believe even with much profit at stake that he’d be allowed to fight with a subluxation. That involves fusing of the cranial plates to the degree that there is constant nerve pressure and can be potentially fatal in the face of trauma.
Cranial fixations are not as serious, but do still result in the skull having less ‘give’ upon being smacked into by a brain. The thing is , by the time someone has developed a trauma (not genetic) induced cranial fixation, they’ve likely received enough blows to the head that the brain itself is more sensitive
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 29, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
had an anatomy professor that was a boxing fan
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 29, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAAHAAAHHA
cranial subluxation is the word you’re looking for. also possible Cranial Fixation.
that’s a good one, that’s a good one.
by fuzzy wuzzy on Jun 29, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
huh? i don’t understand your reaction. what’s so funny?
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 29, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah man, I don’t get it either. I thought it was some good insight. I rec’d it. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry i'll explain
when first poster said ‘cranial subluxation’ i didn’t mind b/c his point (chuck should stop fighting) was dead on. but then b86 tried to correct him, but frankly those words have nothing to do with this and studying anatomy doesn’t tell you much of the mechanisms of traumatic brain injury. if you think otherwise, then tell me what those terms actually mean.
he has a mild form of diffuse axonal injury, axons being the wiring in the brain.
i just didn’t want to write all this out and sound like a smart ass, but it bugged me enough that i had to say something. :)
first poster said “subjugation” which isn’t anything at all. i tried correcting him with what i thought was the right word. you could have just re-corrected me. I’m not under the illusion that anything i hear from a college professor is gospel.
I don’t have to write out definitions for you, i know what the words i used mean. however, you are right in that I don’t have a real expertise with which to use them, so saying, “hey man, i think you’re wrong, here’s whats right and here’s a link” would have worked fine
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 30, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually, your wrong, I meant what I wrote and spelled it right too
sub·ju·gate (sbj-gt)first poster said "subjugation" which isn’t anything at all
tr.v. sub·ju·gat·ed, sub·ju·gat·ing, sub·ju·gates
1. To bring under control; conquer. See Synonyms at defeat.
2. To make subservient; enslave.
I have a real MS, not one of them ones you get online today
also, none of us know exactly what sort of head damage Chuck has that’s causing his easy-sleepy-time. we’re all just speculating. it’s likely a combination of many things
a life: it's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come -Lester Freamon
by eastcoastatlas on Jun 30, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes Chuck, Dana can still make a lot of money on you fighting and Dana loves making lots of money…and he still tells you to retire. Maybe that should tell you something.
by JeremyShane on Jun 28, 2010 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think that’s the point Chuck is trying to get across.
I think he’s saying that he realizes Dana could still make money off of him if he were so inclined, and the fact that he’s willing to sacrifice making money for Chuck’s health really illustrates the gravity of the situation.
I think. :P
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 28, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Me too brother....
Me too.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
This to me is worse than Pulver refusing to retire because
A.) Pulver keeps getting submitted, with the one KO loss to Garcia. He’s a completely different fighter than Chuck and has done enough to keep his brain in-tact.
B.) Liddell has been losing the way Pulver hasn’t…by KTFO. If he continues to do this he’ll end up talking like Meldrick Taylor. He has to go out now.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
With Jens it's about his pride
And I fear for his mentality if he continues to lose in small shows. It’s not always about having brain damage. We’re seeing LT go through the same sort of denial in the NFL, and he’s probably going to end up humiliating himself out of the league. It’s no way to go out for any of these guys.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 28, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I think LT could see a resurgence
With that brick wall of an offensive line.
But yeah I see your point.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No
No he can’t. And he was a serious jerk for calling out his O-line for his lack of production the last two years. Multiple scouts have anonymously stated that when watching footage of him from last season, he’s lost several steps and that his knees are no good. On top of that, I read quotes today where he suggests that he’s competing for the starting job with Shonn Green. That’s delusional. I’m not saying he should retire now, but you can already tell he won’t go quietly, ala Chuck and Jens.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 28, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oooooh now he's lost it.
I’ve experienced it before with Shaun Alexander and that was one of the biggest falls from grace in recent NFL history.
Maybe LT can teach Sanchez how to play QB.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
LDT
Yesterday I saw on ESPN that LDT now has 2 tattoos on his calves. One is the Chargers logo with “2001-2009” beneath the logo, and the other is the Jets logo with “2010-” beneath the Jets logo. That cat done lost his mind. HOF all the way, but yes he is now in the Chuck/Jens category.
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jun 29, 2010 8:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Unless he’s playing Oakland, LDT is done done done.
I rarely tweet
I less-rarely write
"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
Pulver has taken his share of vicious KO’s. Ludwig, Gomi, Sakurai and Lauzon all KO’d Pulver. The only reason so many people are insisting that Chuck retire is how far and quickly he fell from the top. Fighters like Wandy and Jardine have taken an equal amount of head trauma and no one is up in arms, cause they’re not Dana’s best friends
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
by mburtoni on Jun 28, 2010 11:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes but I'm talking about recent fights
The Lauzon fight was 4 years ago. From 2007-2010 he’s had 4 sub losses, 1 sub win, 1 KO loss, and a decision to Faber.
Compare that with Liddell from 2007-2010 and it’s in chronological order: KO, decision loss (nearly another KO), decision win (war with Wandy), KTFO, KTFO, KTFO. It’s not good for his health now and it is going to haunt him later.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Best thumbnail picture ever.
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by FaultAndFracture on Jun 28, 2010 10:30 PM EDT reply actions
Lets say he does end up coming back, just for arguments sake, who do you give him?
To me, that’s a more interesting question. It’s sounding like he’s really going to push for coming back, and I wonder who Dana could justify having him fight.
It has got to be somebody who doesn’t have a ton of power. Forrest may be a good pick, but I’m guessing Franklin gets him.
I mean, outside of Tito, I can’t think of anybody that would be a good matchup for Chuck. Maybe Matt Hammill?
Give him someone with absolutely no knockout power
….Or Brandon Vera.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that I think of it, Liddell/Vera actually makes the most sense to me.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Vera knocking out Chuck to be my last memory of him
I can handle Franklin, but not Vera. I hate him enough as it is.
What about Stephan Bonnar?
Nobody wins in that situation.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
by SSreporters on Jun 28, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Coleman is in the UFC fall of fame, Chuck is a future HOF’er. Its a legend versus legend fight. Plus, Coleman has a win over Shogun!
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
Chuck’s already in the HOF, isn’t he?
by Applejack McNeil on Jun 29, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
That's like doing Bowe vs. Tyson right now.
"Fedor is in major trouble! FEDOR TAPS! FEDOR TAPS! FABRICIO WERDUM WINS BY SUBMISSION (TRIANGLE CHOKE), ROUND 1!" - Brent Brookhouse, BloodyElbow.com
Dana has to be the badguy here and stop Chuck before he gets hurt too bad to enjoy the rest of his life, it’s clear to me that he’s still in denial about his career being over which is incredibly sad as a huge Chuck fan.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
This could get ugly. Dana really can’t stop him from fighting—if he refuses to let him, Chuck can go elsewhere. Do I think it will come to that? No. Do I think we’ll see Chuck fight again? Odds are yes.
Chuck, your chin is gone. You’ve looked great in all of those fights you lost, you don’t have the ability to take a shot like you used to. Your inability to take solid shots is negating the improvements you’ve shown, you looked good against Rashad, Shogun and Rich but no sense in trying to compete if you’re just going to keep getting KO’d. Take Dana up on his offer to have you do other things. You’ve got a bachelor’s degree in accounting, work with the financial department. do the PR shit Dana offered to you.
I’m a huge Chuck fan but I don’t want to see him get KO’d anymore, I don’t want to see him develop brain damage. Chuck was a great champion but his time has passed and I hope he recognizes that before it’s too late
Amen!
Ubereem is here to kill the Finkelstein monster!
by frosty31 on Jun 29, 2010 12:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Chuck was 33 or 35, ok, keep it up, maybe they were all concindences.....
But Chuck, common’ man you are 41. Give it up bro. Call Troy Aikman see if he can convince you getting knocked out over and over isn’t worth it.
Unfortunately, this is a scenario that has played out many times in history
And it rarely has a happy ending. Chuck shows all the tell tale signs of being in serious denial, and without any genuine insight or sense of objective reality. This is coupled with the curse of fame, and the inability or fear of somehow losing that fame if you do not keep going at all costs. I have unfortunately had the unpleasant experience of seeing this take place first hand with boxers like Leon Spinks, Jerry Quarry, Greg Haugen and others. The sad fact is that most fighters in this position rarely have the ability to leave until it is too late, and Chuck shows all the signs of following in their footsteps. Being involved with MMA coaching for the last several years, I hear different inside information from other camps. One of the things I was hearing was that Chuck was getting tagged and dropped by unheralded 170ers and 185ers while training for the Franklin fight. And this was the same thing that was happening behind the scenes when Ken Shamrock had his last few fights in the UFC with Franklin and Tito. For some reason, they are unable to see this as a bad sign and just ignore it. Then it always happens in the fight of course.
LET HIM FIGHT!
If the man wants to fight, Let him fight! I know everyone is saying “STOP! Before you get brain damage” or “Hang it up chuck” or “Your time has passed”…Etc. Truth be told, He is a fighter, this is what he knows, let him do it. Were not in his shoes!
…
At least we know when we order a PPV were pretty much guaranteed a KO! Thats what the fans want to see right!??
No offense man....
I agree that he’s his own man and his decision. It’s the second part…
At least we know when we order a PPV were pretty much guaranteed a KO! Thats what the fans want to see right!??
Most non-sociopathic, legitimate fans of this sport want to see high levels of competition and a definitive finish. But I think most of us realize that a couple more KO’s could seriously injure, if not kill Chuck Liddell. Real fans don’t want to see that. I’d rather Chuck retire than die to satisfy my bloodlust. Just have a look at today’s front page story and check the comment section to illustrate my point.
note : if the above quote was meant to be sarcastic, please disregard my “most non-sociopathic fans” insult. If it was not sarcastic, the insult stands. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree, as much as we want to see that fight again with TUF and all that leading up to it...Chuck needs to hang em up...this is emmitt smith on the cards.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Emmitt on the Cards
C’mon man, that is some cold sh*t…..I’ll have you know Emmitt tossed his only career TD pass while on the Cards…..sold that sweep right beautifully, then nice touch pass for 6 points to FB Obafemi Ayanbadejo (sp?)….Go Cards!!
by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jun 29, 2010 8:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hackleman really needs to step up and tell Chuck to step down.....
It’s over. His chin is WAY gone. Show him a video of the weak looking shot RICH FRANKLIN KOed him with and make him understand that if he keeps fighting he’s going to get seriously hurt.
This is an especially important fact
Because he could make hundreds of K$ money training Chuck to keep rolling the dice for Glory, it shows he does actually cares about him.
by SimplePsych on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
sadly after the fight she said the ref called it too early for a title fight....found that to be funny
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Only fight I’m interested in for Chuck is a fight with Tito in hopes he beats him a 3rd time.
by seanerk88 on Jun 29, 2010 12:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Keep fighting Chuck!
he is a fighter, plain and simple. If Chuck continues to fight, I will continue to pay money to watch him.
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
Hmm, Ive heard this some where…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 29, 2010 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Significantly reduce his pay
and see if he still wants to fight. Then we’ll know where his motivations lie. If it’s really all about competing, then the money won’t matter.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 29, 2010 8:43 AM EDT reply actions
Health Concerns?
I can already tell hes got massive brain damage but hes not going to tell anyone that so he can prove that by getting KO’d again if he wants. I hope thats not the case though.
you can already tell?
A true MMA fan from the great state of Arkansas.
by MMArazorback on Jun 29, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
As a fan I don't want to see him fight again but...
It seems like if he wants to he is going to. The Tito fight is something I can handle watching, as I wouldn’t want to give Tito the chance to beat him. I think the safest match-up would be against Vladdy. Janitor vs. Iceman, co-main event to GSP vs. Kos. Win or lose, gauranteed walk.
"90% of this sport is 50% mental" - Tim Sylvia
You know...
Even if he did decide to come back, I wonder how big a draw he would be any more. A)Most MMA fans, be it Chuck fans or not, wouldn’t really enjoy seeing the guy get KTFO by some dude he wouldve knocked out a few years ago. B) The only fights he could win currently are against VERY mediocre or over the hill fighters with no knockout power.
I also agree with the people, who say he already has had some brain damage. Essentially the guy has had 4 major concussions (at least) in the last 3 years, not even counting sparring etc… He could very well be the first high profile MMA guy to develop early dementia/brain damage. If he fights any more… goddamit all bets are off.
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