Cyborg vs. Finney, and the (potential) overreaction of the male consesus-Now with more fat!
by Fake Emcee on Jun 28, 2010 6:06 PM EDT
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I’M MAD AS HELL AND I’M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE! (Not really but it sounds more intense)
I was hoping to not have to go through the trouble of venting my opinions on the Cyborg vs. Finney massacre but since the issue has resurfaced I figured I might as well. I want to start off by saying that I’m in no way trying to attack anybody for just being naturally offended by what they saw on Saturday and everybody’s free to their own opinion on the matter. I mean, I already KNOW that I’m right but until other people come to this realization I have to humor them into thinking I actually care about them and their roody-poo ideas.
I’m going to just say that I think people are severely overreacting to this fight because they’re women. I first started noticing a problem in the actual watching thread, board, discussion whatever the hell you’re supposed to call these things. I got to read through such delightfully borderline sexist lines like, "Finney must have stolen the ref’s boyfriend in high school" and "women love to see bitches get beaten down." Then you have one particularly aggressive commentator straight out calling the ref a bitch, and others talking about how they never want to watch women fighting again. Someone even criticized Cyborg for being elated for the win, cause it’s not like fighters are allowed to feel happy about winning if their competition actually gets hurt in the process of a fight especially when they’ve had to spend nearly two rounds of beating on them to get the win. Now I’m not saying that if these had been men in this position people wouldn’t have been bothered, but for shit sake people were in the thread acting like they’d just watched a baby being put in a blender, writing posts that sounded like the President addressing the country after Pearl Harbor just hit.
I honestly think some people just have a complex where they just can’t for the most part watch women as fighters because they can’t get past the mindset that women are delicate and need to be coddled. I would assume that it’s a very offensive mindset to the women that put in all of the hours into training and competing to mimic their male counterparts. Django Z was able to find a qoute from Finney herself from over at MMAjunkie:
I got a couple of extra bruises – nothing time won’t heal. What are they saying? That the referee should have stopped in sooner or (that) my corner should have thrown in the towel? I mean, come on, It’s my decision, and leave those people out of it.
Plenty of guys have actually come straight out and said that they don’t like seeing women get hit under any circumstances. Are we all supposed to be of the mindset that if a man takes a prolonged and violent thrashing that “he can take it, he’s a MAN” but for the same thing to happen to women “oh no, that’s somebody’s wife/sister/daughter/mother she can’t handle this!” As pdl pointed out when bringing up GSP versus both Jon Fitch and BJ Penn;
Fitch vs. GSP and Penn vs. GSP II come to mind. Sweet christ those were brutal. Yet Fitch is a fucking warrior for surviving what was essentially a car crash that lasted 25 minutes and BJ is a pussy for quitting on his stool. Or Arlovski vs. Cabbage, which gets called a BS stoppage. Whatever. Savage ass kickings happen in MMA. Sorry guys. Half of the world called Penn a pussy for not continuing to get the shit beaten out of him… even though it was his corner that stopped the fight. Now half the world (and you know there’s overlap) are saying that Finney’s corner dropped the ball by letting this fight continue. Well…. fuck. What do you want?
Some people can’t always separate the sport and spectacle aspects every time, and women’s MMA has a ton of spectacle due to social baggage. There’s no shame in that, people just need to admit it.
The reason the fight wasn’t being stopped was because on the ground Finney was still moving, covering up, and trying to occasionally grab Cyborg all while being hit with not as effective hamerfists that were mostly being blocked anyway. The majority of the damage she received was on the feet, but whenever she hit the ground she was still being at least somewhat active. I think people were just calling for a mercy stoppage because they couldn’t handle seeing a women being abused in such a way, to the point where their perceptions of what was actually taking place might have not exactly matched up to what was actually happening. If it had been two men people might have been all for the fight being continued in case the guy recieving the beating would’ve been able somehow to pull off an amazing comeback win. I’ve seen people have a problem with Sakuraba taking more punishment then he really needed to especially in his later years, but I’ve never seen anybody fly off the handle the way they did for Finney even when Manhoef beat the liquid shit out of his ass or when he just laid on Galesic’s leg while taking numerous shots directly to the head before he pulled off the knee bar. Look at what happened to Mir in the Carwin fight, first the fight is continued after Mir had already been dropped which some people had actually praised, then I don’t think I saw nearly as many people losing their minds about an almost 300 pound guerilla punching an already unconscious man directly in the head multiple times before finally being stopped. So for Cyborg and Finney do I think the fight could have been stopped earlier, yes, do I think that it was an ABSOLUTE TRAGEDY that it wasn’t, no not really.
To me violence is violence and I very much personally believe that I’ve seen way more violent beatings occur not only to other guys in MMA but in boxing as well, shit I’ve seen someone die from a boxing match. I didn’t see anybody crying their eyes out for Matt Hamill in the Jones fight despite being bloodied up by elbows and having a dislocated shoulder, some people didn’t even agree with that stoppage. This is a sport where we used to watch guys kneeing people in the head on the ground and almost literally curb stomping their opposition, and all the while we basked in the violent glory of it all. People make predictions for a fight along the lines of “fighter x by rape/murder/death/all kinds of horrible shit happening” but the way some people came off during this fight you would think it was John McCain watching UFC 1 for the first time. We’ve all seen some fights that very well did resemble murder. We’ve seen the guys with the creepy zombie eyes after just getting choked out, we’ve enjoyed the numerous photo shops of Babalu and Bisping and their ridiculous knockout faces. Then they post a picture of Finney after the fight and you’d think people were looking at pictures of ground zero.
Let’s not get it twisted here; this isn’t me telling people to lighten up about the matter or anything. People have their opinions, which we’ve already covered as being wrong, and I have mine. I’m more than happy to agree to disagree on the matter as this is a bit of a sensitive subject.
Enough about all this jive though, if you think your country is the best damn country in the whole world how bout you give this post a rec, c’mon you can do it! (You pretty much have to now otherwise you’re a fucking traitor)
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so we can continue to be friends. :)
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
er I dislike women’s mma strongly. Women are inferior in strength and don’t have the same aggresive instincts as men—they simply aren’t genetically made for fighting. Their evolutionary role of homemakers/gatherers who kept family units together supports this, in contrast to the male evolutionary role of hunting and war.
For this reason it feels pretty unnatural to me to watch women fight, but even if you could get past this, the level they compete it is very low. I mean Cyborg is something like a female Chris Leben, hardly some master technician, either on the feet or on the ground. She simply uses her physical superiority to beat down women who seem to be half as strong as she. I remember watching Cyborg Carano and seeing them trade sloppy punches and poor ground exchanges (i.e. carano standing up from the mount) and thinking “is this really the biggest fight in women’s mma??”).
Anyway that fight shoulda been stopped way sooner, not because they’re women but that was way too much abuse. 3 knockdowns in a round in boxing stops a fight, but 4 knockdowns plus gnp doesn’t stop a fight in MMA? There’s no real standard.
It was definitely a late stoppage, but i agree there seems to be a big percentage of mma fans that are not interested in watching women fight.
I for one enjoy womens mma but even i was thinking “good lord stop this fight” at a couple points
Me too
But Finney kept showing signs that she still wanted to be in the fight. She would turtle up for a few seconds, then try to grab Cyborg’s leg, go for the upkick etc. Ecah time she got to her feet she started swinging again…it was brutal to watch, but she didn’t quit fighting which is why the ref let it continue.
so..??
the fight should have been stopped, period. and no im not sayign this because she is a woman.
The fight should have never started. Get Cyborg some real competition.
by judonerd on Jun 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I respect finney for her heart
but the refs main job is to protect the fighters, and finney took way to much of a beating
Finney's own words
Here is what she said courtesy of MMAjunkie:
“I got a couple of extra bruises – nothing time won’t heal.”
Finney, however, scoffs at the idea that the bout was poorly officiated.
“What are they saying? That the referee should have stopped in sooner or (that) my corner should have thrown in the towel? I mean, come on,” she said. “It’s my decision, and leave those people out of it.”
She also said she was 135 pounder and would be going back to that weight division.
You sir are being added to my post.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Im glad she is ok
but it is the refs choice on when the fight should be stopped or not (besides submissions) and my opinion is that it went longer than it needed to.
No disrespect to Finney, she won me over with the grit and toughness she displayed, but to me i’d rather err on the side of caution than let her take all those extra shots
i’d rather err on the side of caution than let her take all those extra shots
Is that because you care about the fighters themselves (people you presumably do not know personally), or because you like watching MMA and don’t want it to get banned due to fighters dying or being permanently injured? One is selfless and the other selfish.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 29, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to see if he’d claim to care about the fighters themselves. Myself, I don’t care about anyone that I don’t know personally.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter what Finney says.
One of the responsibilities of the ref, the licensing board, even their own corner, is to protect the fighter. A fighter rarely gives up on their own and would continue to go back for more, even if it meant they were endangering themselves further.
She was taking some brutal punishment and it was clear that she was way out of her league. The ref could have easily stepped in or even her corner could have thrown the towel in to stop the match.
Her opinion means nothing.
Jared Hess was still trying to get up and fight after his knee was dislocated. Tim Sylvia would have still fought with a broken arm. Fighters tend to throw safety and caution to the wind when drunk on adrenaline. This is why there’s a referee.
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@deowade
I think there’s been some overreaction in regards to beating up Kim Winslow, it wasn’t the worst case of letting a fight go on too long by any means. This is the second fight in a row Cyborg fight in big mismatch, and they’ve gotta start with finding girls who are at least in the right weight class to fight her.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
Agreed - biggest problem was that it was a mismatch
By the way – there were 3 women in the ring on Saturday night, not girls.
Words matter.
by Django Z on Jun 28, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This post makes a good point, but I'm mostly just unhappy about the ref-bashing
I watched the fight a couple of times and it seems to me that the ref did just fine. She stopped the fight after the only blow Cyborg landed that was a true knock-out blow, the knee to the stomach. Most of the knock-downs were just the stupid size difference. The only really accurate punches I remember from Cyborg were some jabs. Honestly? I don’t even know if Cyborg is, pound-for-pound, any better than Finney.
Speaking of that:
Imagine if someone booked Wanderlei Silva vs Jens Pulver. I think people might be offended or uncomfortable if that fight happened too. So to be clear, I think Cyborg vs. Finney never should have been booked. But I don’t see anything to complain about with the refereeing. The fight was stopped when it should have been.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 28, 2010 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I was wondering how I would feel if I watched it several more times
It seemed like fine refereeing when i watched it live. But I was shocked at how many people felt differently on BE.
Sexism had nothing to do with it
I didn’t see a pair of boobs getting the shit kicked out of them. I saw a human being, in the fetal position, eating punches and pathetically trying to grab an ankle if only to distract the punches. Should’ve been stopped in the first.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm glad you said that, because
I’m going to just say that I think people are severely overreacting to this fight because they’re women.
kind of implies that there’s no other reason to react to it (although now looking at it, are you saying people are overreacting because the fight involved women, or because the people are women? You sexist.)
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 7:43 PM EDT reply actions
Well I'm glad you said that because.......fuck you.
I wasn’t trying to go out of my way to come down on people as single-minded sexists, but I did feel that there was a hypocritical attitude perhaps fueled by people and their perceptions of gender lines that caused this. If you can’t keep up with my poor attempt at 9th grade level psychology, then that’s on you buddy!
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Single minded sexist here.
I was mad about the fight because Cuddles should have been home cooking diner. ( I’m just kidding please don’t ban me) The fight went on to long in my opinion I don’t think cowering in the fetal position is actively defending yourself. I’ve seen fights stopped for way less.
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Any man has to admit
That Finney being a woman played a BIG factor in how you reacted to that.
Carwin beating down Mir was much worse because a) Mir was unconscious for the last 10 or so shots and b) I counted 20 plus back of the head shots to Mir and the shot that put him unconscious was to the back of the head. No one reacted to that as they reacted to this.
Though I do see the other side of it as refs are supposed to protect the fighters and some fighters are too stupid to stay down. Tim Sylvia wanted to fight with a broken arm. What if Herb Dean hadn’t stopped the fight?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 7:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
im glad you mentioned the 20 back of the head shots
I’m always perplexed by how many shots a fighter can land to the back of the head without being penalized…
My Mir Fandom aside, I was bothered by that.
GreenHouse
No
“I’m going to just say that I think people are severely overreacting to this fight because they’re women”
I completley disagree, any fighter that is huggin the leg of another and getting punched in the face time and time again, is not defending them selves.
The
Fight
Should
Have been stopped in the 1st round male or female
WHAT NO, YOU CANT DISAGREE, YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND RIGHT NOW JACKASS!
That’s fair, I just stated my drawn out opinion on the matter. Really I was just looking for a nice open dialogue about it, and recs, lots and lots of recs. If I had to name my three sustaining life forces it would go:
1. Recs
2. Poontang
3. Jimmy Buffet, that guys just fantastic.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Okay buddy, understood
what did I trash talk your mother in this article, your opinion has been noted.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
many people
were admitting it bothered them because it was a woman. That disproves your argument. You may be the exception, but the point of the article still stands.
I personally thought the reffing was fine. I wouldnt have cried if it was stopped sooner, but finney was landing jabs and straights on the stand up. She would throw a couple then back down to cyborgs power. Still I thought she went out like a warrior and I think any woman closer to her size should be scared to get in the ring with her.
Damn dude, you said pretty much exactly what I said below, in half the words.
I talk too damn much :( I think that’s why I don’t post very often. :P
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Ask and ye shall receive...
1. Rec’d.
2. Can’t help you with the poon though bruh, you’re on your own with that one. :P
3. Jimmy Buffet? Please son, we reppin’ Englebert Humperdink ‘round this bitch. Can’t fuck wit EngHump.
I definitely agree with your post, but I also think the timing of the stoppage could be argued. I’m definitely not up in arms though. I also think Finney’s got the heart of a fucking lion, and she’s obviously put in some hours in the gym. The fact that she was able to remain somewhat lucid while being rocked and grab for an ankle to close the distance, rather than just flail around helplessly or crumble and wilt shows she understands the game a bit.
I think the ref did a decent job though. I have this feeling that women’s MMA has a chip on it’s shoulder, fighters & refs, and there’s still this eagerness to show that they can take just as much (if not more) punishment as the guys. I don’t think the ref was necessarily trying to make that point by not stopping the fight earlier, it’s just a thought in the back of my head.
To be fair to the ref, Finney never went unconscious, she was moving and defending a lot, and for the most part, she was intelligently defending herself. Her fight IQ just wasn’t as high as Cyborgs.
Full disclosure : I don’t really care for women’s professional sports. I’m all for women playing sports, and having pro leagues, just not my cup of tea. Is it sexist? At the core of it, probably, but by no means is it intentional or premeditated, nor do I feel the need belittle or condescend their efforts. Anyone, woman, man or child that dedicates themselves to something positive and gives their all has my respect. I did enjoy watching Cyborg whoop that ass, and I also enjoyed watching Finney display all that heart. Props to them both.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you kindly. :)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec's and Poontang for sure
But I’m sorry buddy, Jimmy Buffet just cost you your Rec.
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jun 29, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe the foillowing statement makes me sexist...
and maybe it doesn’t but I really don’t enjoy watching women participate in combat sports. I find the level of skill higher in women’s MMA than I do/did boxing but if I’m being honest with myself neither does anything for me as a viewer.
I think a big part of it is that the fighters are rarely matched evenly. Aside from Strikeforce needing/wanting Cyborg on the card I can’t come up with one reason Finney was booked. It was a massacre from the moment it was announced and everyone knew it.
Essentially I think what it boils down to for me is that I have absolutely zero issues with women’s MMA or boxing or kickboxing or anything like that but I’m just not going to be watching. There are plenty of amazing athletes and fighters but I’ll go on a beer run or something during those times.
Some of the most remembered fights out there have been untechnical brawls with little level of skill involved. Jung vs Garcia and Griffin vs Bonnar come to mind. A good amount of Wanderlei’s fight have just been pure slugfest brawls.
There are women’s fights out there that don’t look like “women’s fights” and have been pretty technical. Coenen vs Cyborg comes to mind. Also, Modaferri vs LaRosa utilized all aspects of MMA. There are females like Marloes Coenen and Sarah Kaufmann that are more technical than some male fighters in the UFC (for example, Nate Quarry is not a very technically sound fighter). Hopefully, Bellator’s Women’s tournament may open some eyes.
by chrisbboy82 on Jun 29, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
There are plenty of male beatings in MMA to rival this one.
Fitch vs. GSP and Penn vs. GSP II come to mind. Sweet christ those were brutal. Yet Fitch is a fucking warrior for surviving what was essentially a car crash that lasted 25 minutes and BJ is a pussy for quitting on his stool. Or Arlovski vs. Cabbage, which gets called a BS stoppage. Whatever.
Savage ass kickings happen in MMA. Sorry guys.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 28, 2010 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I don't think theres a better example to name that mirrors this fight other then GSP/Fitch.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
by Fake Emcee on Jun 28, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Penn vs. GSP II is pretty bad too
because of the fan reaction. Half of the world called Penn a pussy for not continuing to get the shit beaten out of him… even though it was his corner that stopped the fight. Now half the world (and you know there’s overlap) are saying that Finney’s corner dropped the ball by letting this fight continue. Well…. fuck. What do you want?
And to people who wanted it stopped in the first round… how many of them thought Sanchez vs. Guida was fight of the year last year? Because that was just as brutal of a beating, just Clay looks like a hairy wildman instead of a cute blonde chick.
I understand the sentiments that people have, but maybe you juts don’t like women’s MMA. Some people can’t always separate the sport and spectacle aspects every time, and women’s MMA has a ton of spectacle due to social baggage. There’s no shame in that, people just need to admit it.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 28, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow
You really should’ve written this thing instead of me. Your dropping serous knowledge, meanwhile I was struggling to think of a way to describe the kind of shit Manhoef beat out of Sakuraba.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
I thought it was so obvious that it didn't need to be said.
Apparently other people don’t get it. And if you want to block quote any of what I wrote into your piece, I would be flattered.
And if anybody wants to know my stance… I wanted the fight stopped sooner but didn’t see a point where it was totally called for. Finney always fought back, and fought back more than Condit did against Ellenberger. I’ve seen that ref make poor decisions, but this was not one of them.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 28, 2010 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
That fight should’ve been stopped, too.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 29, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line:
Spending most of the round hopelessly turtled up, taking hard shots to the head after suffering 4 kd’s – is NOT “intelligently defending” yourself. Men, women, doesn’t matter. Given the rules at hand, the fight should have been stopped far earlier than it was.
by EchoHead on Jun 29, 2010 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah - Fitch v GSP
Fitch was lauded for hanging in for 5 rounds of beatings. Noone screamed “stop the fight!” “that ref should never work again!” after that one.
Cyborg needs better opponents, but I think alot of the reactions were flat out sexist.
Oh well, another few decades and we’ll have better female fighters and more of the old fans will be dead. That’s how change happens.
I already KNOW that I’m right
I agree with you. Just wondering why it took you so long to come around to my thinking.
One of the reasons why people are reacting the way they are is that stupid “These things happen in MMA” idiot stated calling for the fight to end after the 3rd punch and couldn’t get control of his bladder. I’ll bet he can announce the hell of of an hour of darts. But he has no business at all any where near any kind of combat sports. Period.
I called the ref an asshole and a dumbass for not stopping the fight.
Why? Because that ref was an asshole and a dumbass. You don’t let a fight continue after a fighter has repeatedly curled up into the fetal position. Finney was done and the ref failed to fulfill her most important objective: protect the fighters.
Your post essentially boils down to this: “two or three people said something stupid on the internet and I’m mad about it.” Meanwhile, the overwhelming majority of us in that live blog made no sexual distinction, with regard to what was taking place, and were genuinely outraged at a referee’s incompetence.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Jun 28, 2010 8:33 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY NOW
I was only pointing out the couple of guys that really jumped out to me as going overboard with their comments, this is still a sperate issue from what I was trying to address in this post. My post doesn’t just boil down to three comments from idiots, but from the endless comments of “OH THE HUMANITY!” that are all over the place, not even just on this board.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
And I'm not mad
U MAD! (if only I was good at posting obnoxious pictures)
I really don’t want people thinking this is me trying to start shit or anything, I’m not angrly trying to call anyone out here. Opinions are like opinions, everybody’s got one….wait what?
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
This one is in honor of the new Season of Top Gear
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@deowade
but...
U MAD!
I think you did a fair job misrepresenting what actually took place in the cage to support your argument. That’s more where I’m coming from and why I see this as you being upset over some fools saying evil things about the womens on the internet.
But hey, I like fried eggplant and bbq chicken on my pizza. True story.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Jun 28, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
“I like fried eggplant and bbq chicken on my pizza”
You sir should be shot.
And what kind of internet poster would I be if I didn’t misrepresent things in order to better establish my view point, a rational one?
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Do you know how hard it was to find a place at a reasonable distance from my house that actually offered those toppings? The messed up part is that I was introduced to this combo by three friends in another state. I thought it sounded horrible, too. First bite and I was hooked.
I have converted many since.
The seed has been planted.
You will be assimilated.
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Jun 28, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
NEVER!
I’d rather eat the goo that clogs up my sink on toast then your twisted Frankenstein pizza. For shame on you, FOR SHAME.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
I’m going to try it with Buffalo chicken.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 29, 2010 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuubbbbbbbbbbboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!
Having tried it before, that is an acceptable substitute. The eggplant must be fried/breaded, though. Tried it once with plain eggplant and it wasn’t the same.
/snobbery
I specializes in grammar fail.
by a tommy point on Jun 29, 2010 6:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Touche good sir, Touche.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
by Damon O. on Jun 28, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I did indeed tell'em why I was mad
Thanks for the original suggestion.
I mean I didn’t do it cause you told me to or nothin, I’m not your bitch or anything and anybody that says otherwise I’ll fucking take my shirt off and throw down with right here right now!
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
I mean we can do this.
But I’m too busy eating Chicken wings right now. Anyway, these dudes got out of hand with this one. I had a WTF reaction at 1st, and then I watched it a few more times. Everything was Kosher. Gina got it worse.
Walking the line between intelligence and ignorance since 1985
@deowade
Gina’s was stopped when it should have been.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Both stoppages were fine. With Gina Randy came out and said it was over (he was in her corner). Gina was turtled up and taking hammerfists and punches straight to the noggin and she was making no attempt to do anything else. It felt like Finney was constantly struggling, and by ‘struggling’ I mean she was playing punch catcher but she looked like she thought she could get out of it. At the point where Gina’s was stopped, she knew she wasn’t getting out of this. They were similar fights, Gina did slightly better during the first 2 minutes.
Where’s the guy that called me a retard for comparing the two fights??!!! That dude is a pork rind.
It wasn't about the gender of the victim....
I would have felt pretty much the same way if the victim was a man, severely outclassed, taking that kind of beating, and had zero chance to win as Finney did. I was at the fight and to me, the ref appeared unsure of herself at times. The look on her face seemed nervous and her movements in the ring did not suggest that she’d been at her job long.
Most of the fans around me were screaming for a stoppage as was I. We had an up close view of the carnage. I understand the argument of her being a fighter and needing to be able to withstand punishment, and I agree to a point. If you step into that ring you better be able to either ‘bring it’ or, be able to take some pain.
I guess my point is that once we figured out that Finney had no chance of winning, coupled with the amount of abuse she had taken, an earlier stoppage would not have been out of line.
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 28, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not trying to argue that it shouldn't have been stopped sooner
just that I think people wouldn’t have reacted exactly the same to a man in this situation…in fact that point is so simple did I even need to write this three page essay?
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I'll rec you
If you stop indenting your paragraphs while also having a double space between them. That’s kinda redundant. Sorry, it’s a pet peeve and I can be a grammar nazi
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 28, 2010 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, I just do that as kind of my own style
but you better believe I’ll take that shit off for an extra rec!
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
by Fake Emcee on Jun 28, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
…aaaaaaaaannnnnddddddd done.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
rec'd :-)
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 28, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You fucking rec head
What else would you do for a rec? Sell yo mama’s shoes for some rec? would you rob a motherfucker to get some rec? would you suck a duck for a fat bag of rec’s?
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.(rec’d) ;)
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sir
I don’t think you’d want to know the answer to any of those questions. Just know I’ve done things, dark…dark things but the rec always makes it all better.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
by Fake Emcee on Jun 29, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guess who that’s from? -———————————————————-^
I feel you man, I’ve been down that road and I don’t envy you. Wouldn’t want to be around when you hit rock bottom.
Just know that no one can do it for you, you have to want to change for yourself. When you’re ready to admit that you have a problem, we’ll all be here for you. No judging, no chastising….just a group of understanding, sympathetic people who know you can be better. :)
It’s going to be rough. You will face trials and tribulations. You will face your demons. But when it gets the roughest, just remember my sig. ;)
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
That's the gayest thing I've ever heard
now back to stacking those recs.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
by Fake Emcee on Jun 29, 2010 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck you man.
Fuck you…….but rec’d anyways.
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I didn’t think it was time for “tough love” just yet.
First is sympathy, support & patience.
Second is Tough Love
Third is sympathy, support & patience
Fourth is “Fuck you man, I tried. I’m done.”
:P
"The path to enlightenment is through suffering"
by RearNakedChoker on Jun 29, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
rec’d,
But check this. I’ll only rec you if your paragraphs are indented and you have a double space between them. I’m particular about not following grammar rules.
The revolution will not be spell-checked.
Me? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME!!!?
Hahaha, my bad. I tend to be unorthodox on the keyboard
by SmittytheCutman on Jun 28, 2010 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
They definitely shouldn't throw just anybody in with Cyborg.
Actually this fight shed some light on the defensive issues Cyborg has standing. She took a bunch of unnecessary shots from Cuddles.
I make it a point to read all your comments and posts. They’re consistently good. And the p.s. is hilarious if unfortunate.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 29, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I was at UFC 102 Gonzaga practically sodomized Chris Tuscherer.
Chris, who was WAY outclassed, got kicked in the nuts as hard as anyone with a swinging pair has been kicked. If he quit he would be a pussy and everyone would boo him, just like they did Roger Bowling at Strikeforce challengers Portland(I was ashamed to be there). Instead, what happened was a brutal ass whipping dished out by a merciless giant. After a while, most people just wanted the fight to end. Then, in a flash of sadism, Gonzaga pretended to walk away, then turned around clocked him. We all laughed. Don’t really know the point of that story, but damn it was funny at the time.
by B.H. Farnsworth on Jun 29, 2010 4:22 AM EDT reply actions
I rarely watch women's sports
not because they’re oh so delicate, but because most are very poor athletes in comparison to men. People try to make a big deal over a 6’6" woman dunking, but in the end nobody cares because I first dunked when I was 5’10" in 9th grade.
The only time I watch women’s sports is when I’m sexually aroused by the activity.
Dude...
It isn’t that I don’t like watching women fight, or that women need to be protected. It was that this fight was so unfair it wasn’t even funny. Covering up against the cage while the female version of Wanderlei Silva pounds away at your head is not intelligent defence. That fight should have been stopped in the first round and there is no doubt about that.
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I would have stopped the fight at 4:10 of the first round.
But I can see why the referee didn’t.
She’d just taken a point from Cyborg. Taking a point only matters if the fight goes to a decision, so having the fight end immediately afterward makes her disciplinary action pointless. This happens all the time – refs will let fights go longer if the fighter with the advantage has recently committed a foul.
Once the second round started, there was no time when I thought the fight should again be stopped until Cyborg landed that knee to the body. And at that point, the fight was stopped.
I have only a mild objection to the referee’s work in that fight. We’ve seen much worse from male refs in men’s fights, and Jan didn’t really take a ton more damage than she should have. She was covering up fairly effectively. There was a lot of inactivity in the second round, but had it not been for the moment in the first round when I wanted to stop the fight I wouldn’t have found anything wrong with those (save perhaps complaints that Finney was giving away the fight by not fighting).
I watched this fight specifically because of the controversy over the stoppage, and I don’treally see what the big deal is.
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Good but long winded write up
Doing just enough for the ref not to stop a fight will technically keep things going but I still believe this fight should have been ended sooner.
And for the record I was raised by my mother and aunts, I also have a sister. I believe women can do whatever they fucking please and had Zoila Fraustos brutal KO of Rosi Sexton rewinding on my dvr for what seemed to be an eternity.
It sucks that anybody who thinks this fight went on too long gets lumped into the “hates female mma” pile when all I’m trying to say is that all Finney did was survive and was not putting in a competitive performance.
At the end of the day still I blame Gina Carano for being the poster girl for the razor thin 145 division and allowing the dread-naught that is Cris Cyborg come in and smash puffed up 135 pounders who can’t help but fight for the most prestigious and widely acknowledged title in female mixed martial arts/rant
Finney started both rounds well and showed true bravery by tagging Santos right in her face from jump. But then she go sucked into a brawl and never got her bearings, I dunno I just wish that someone would give her a competitive match ffs
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Hot damn people if a fighter is conscious and wants to keep fighting let him/her! What the Hell is up with everyone wanting refs to have more control over everything. Watch a damned NBA game and know that MMA will come out the same if refs start getting involved more. Flopping. Whistles blowing all the time for seemingly no reason at all. Refs getting articles about them. Then the whores come in.
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