Fedor Emelianenko's Loss, Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin at UFC 116 and Everything Strikeforce Discussed on MMA Nation on 106.7 The Fan
After an historic loss on Saturday night on Showtime, we devoted the entire show to figuring out what it all meant. For those who want to watch the UStream feed from last night (per usual, the callers cannot be heard), go here.
1. We open the show with a recitation of what actually happened in the fight, moment by moment. We try to understand James' sadness and look ahead to the rest of the show.
2. In the second segment, Seph Smith (brown belt in BJJ under Felipe Costa, black belt in Combat Sambo) of 50/Fifty BJJ in Arlington, Virginia and walked us through exactly how Fedor got trapped and tapped in Werdum's triangle. He discusses Werdum as a pure BJJ sport player, the difference in approaches to guard passing between BJJ and sambo and explains the technical mistakes Fedor makes that lead to his loss.
3. We take more calls and evaluate whether or not the UFC "needs" Fedor, the promotional ability of Fedor after this loss, whether or not Strikeforce is happy that M-1's leveraging power has been compromised, whether Fedor should drop to light heavyweight and more.
4. The calls keep pouring in, so we also evaluate how the loss to Werdum impacts Fedor's legacy. I also argue (a la Rome's great post) that if you fight consistent contenders in MMA, you eventually lose. I further argue that Fedor never belonged atop the pound-for-pound rankings, but did belong at the top of the heavyweight rankings because no one in the UFC had asserted themselves relative to the other contenders.
5. We close out the show looking ahead to UFC 116's Lesnar vs. Carwin main event. I argue a number of things (among many others): Carwin's power is better than anyone else's in the heavyweight division, Lesnar is going to be noticeably faster, Lesnar's chin may or may not be great but his risk aversion towards taking punishment combined with his natural wrestling instincts should serve him well, that's it's a gigantic red flag when a fighter's fights have all ended in the first round and that in truth, Carwin has only faced two world-class opponents.
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I love it when these shows are posted. Only way I can listen at work.
Enjoyed this show. I wish you guys could have talked a little more about Overeem and his next bought and where you think he stands in the rankings.
I had to go and re-listen to the one segment where Emeliachenko called in. Funny stuff
I put a thread up at 2 different message boards I frequent to tune in for this one and the next.
Slow Cooking! MMM-MMM GOOD!
"I Wanna Thank Joe Rogan!" - BJ Penn
Thanks for listening
I wish we could do a longer show, but I’m happy with the time we have.
And thanks for spreading the word. It’s a big, big help.
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Just my $0.02
I’ve listened to your show a few times, through the livestream and on the posts you make later.
I’m a huge fan of your writing and radio work, but I think you tend to ramble a lot before making a point. The “tightness” that talk radio is supposed to bring is lost in the process and often results in loss of attention. This only applies to the radio show not your writing.
You know what you’re doing, but I just thought i’d mention it.
‘if you fight consistent contenders in MMA, you eventually lose. I further argue that Fedor never belonged atop the pound-for-pound rankings, but did belong at the top of the heavyweight rankings because no one in the UFC had asserted themselves relative to the other contenders.’
This is absolutely spot on. When Fedor was in his prime he was p4p king but there are guys in other weight classes who have consistently beaten better opponents than fedor in recent years.
With one loss in 18 fights Fedor is still the number one hw on the planet unless you feel that Werdum has overtaken him. Lesnar’s record of 4-1 just doesn’t compare, he needs to beat Carwin and Velasquez before we can talk about Lesnar being the number one hw.
I'll listen when i get home
I further argue that Fedor never belonged atop the pound-for-pound rankings,
I’m looking forward this part. All things considered, i always thought Fedor as a top P4P fighter was a little crazy.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein"
- Goonisis
To expand on your "who's better at sport JJ" question
or really, to illustrate how different MMA BJJ is from sport BJJ:
Jacare stomped Werdum in sport competition. Demian Maia stomped Gonzaga twice in sport competition. I wouldn’t really think those fights would go the same way in an openweight MMA setting.
If I’m right, Nog switched to MMA when he was a purple belt, so it really is an apples-and-oranges issue to try to evaluate him in terms of sport play. Werdum is basically a top-level sport player, but even with his heavyweight wins at ADCC, he wasn’t at the Garcia/Jacare/Roger Gracie/Maia rare-air level of the game. He was just talented and enormous.
Is there a podcast to subscribe to?
I found 106.7 the fan on Itunes, but it has some other show.
Do you like fishsticks?
CBS corporate
Has, for whatever reason, failed to greenlight all but one show on the station going to podcast format. I don’t know why, man. It kills me considering we’ve been on iTunes forever.
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Like always luke the show kicked ass and your side kick is good also. What was most important is we finally after years learned from that caller how to pronouce Fedros last name it’s Fedor Emeli-shanko
There are a lot of scary guys in MMA. But no one scares me more than Luke Thomas.
Yesterday I wore a collar-less shirt yesterday and I realized I wouldn’t have done that had I lived on the same continent as Luke. His ire generated by sloppy male clothing is as astounding as the one generated by callers who can’t spell Fedor’s name correctly.
Also, it was a good show.
Fedor p4p
Just curious if you don’t consider Fedor belonging as nr1 p4p even at the height of his Pride reign, who was more worthy at that time?
I also feel you’re maybe downplaying some of his wins a bit too much. Especially Arlovski, at the time that fight happened it was pretty much as good a heavyweight fight as you could make. All the up and coming ufc heavyweights at that time hadn’t really established themselves yet, even Brock was by many considered too green and unproven.
I always knew Werdum had the skills. But I never expected him to submit Fedor. I think two things really colored my opinion of Werdum, fairly or not: 1) Fedor dominating Nog, and 2) Werdum getting KO’d by JDS.
Also Luke, you do have a beautiful beard. So fucking jealous.
Okay, finally listened to the whole show. I really really enjoyed the Seph Smith breakdown. Just fantastic. As far as Fedor goes, I personally think he’ll retired after his contract with SF is done. Lesnar – Carwin: I’ve been going back and forth about this ever since the fight was announced, but I think Carwin takes this. I think he’ll have enough to put out Lesnar’s lights. Chances are, by the time the fight comes around, I’ll have changed my mind a few more times. As far as buys, I think this one hits 900K. If Wandy hadn’t been hurt, it would tip 1 mill. I just think people really want to see Lesnar fight again, and if you take his drawing power + the long layoff + Fedor’s loss and the ability to promote this fight as the winner being #1 HW in the world… I think those things added up go a long way.
Luke
This is totally unrelated to the fighting stuff, but more about the music. “Your Decision” by Alice in Chains is a pretty good song off their new album am I’m glad you like it, but I have a feeling you would absolutely LOVE the song “Last of My Kind” off the same record.
Seriously check it out, it’s one of my favorite AIC songs ever.
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