Break it Down: Shane Carwin
6'1", cuts to make 265, less than 10% body fat. A hulk of a man. On Saturday July 3rd at UFC 116, the undefeated Shane Carwin (12-0) has him facing his biggest test ever in UFC Heavyweight Champion, Brock Lesnar. Will he be able to nullify Brock's strength and wrestling and use his power to win the title?
Striking:
Shane Carwin has power Shane Carwin hits like a Mack Truck. There is no denying Carwin's power. He has dropped Wellisch and Gonzaga all with one shot. As with most heavyweight fighters, but especially with Shane Carwin, one punch can finish it. However, there are holes to his standup game.
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Stance - Carwin's stance is not good. For someone of his size, he sticks his front leg out a lot. If you watch the Mir fight, had Mir been of that mindset, he could've chopped at his front leg with kicks. You do that and you take away his biggest strength -- Power. For someone of his size, Carwin also hunches over too much to compensate for his guard (which I will discuss later). By doing this, he takes away some height and puts more weight on that front leg making it more susceptible to the leg kicks I mentioned earlier. I mentioned that Carwin hunches over to compensate for his guard. What I mean is, Carwin does not keep his chin tucked (rule number 1 in combat sports). He also doesn't keep his hands as high as they should be (rule number 2 in combat sports). Instead of correcting this "flaws", he overcompensates by hunching over. That also hurts him with technique.
- Head Movement - Carwin's head movement is essentially non-existent. There is no side-to-side movement; there is no front-to-back movement. One would think working with Rashad Evans (one of the best head movement guys in the sport); some head movement skills would rub off. That is doubly dangerous when you combine that with his subpar guard.
- Footwork - Carwin's footwork, at first glance, is slow and plodding. At least it was. Working with Greg Jackson, it seems as if that aspect of his game has gotten better. He's lighter on his feet than he was before and that will help him especially with the above deficits.
- Versatility - Carwin does not throw jabs. I've never seen him throw a jab, I don't even know if jabbing is in the man's repertoire. He opens combinations with straights or hooks. So far, it has proved effective. Against a man with a longer reach, that could catch up with him. Time will tell. Carwin does not throw body punches, elbows, knees, or kicks. This makes his standup predictable. This too could catch up with him in the long run.
- Technique - There's not much technique to analyze as much of what Carwin does isn't technical. His punches are primarily arm punches and he doesn't tuck his chin when he throws. It's gotten him in trouble in fights before and will continue to until he fixes it. The way that he throws combinations leaves him off-balance and susceptible to damage especially by a great counter-puncher.
- Chin - His chin, for now, is questionable at best. We've seen him eats two shots and they rocked them. He was able to recover and capitalize on an opening, but the possibility of it happening again is still there.
Ground Game:
- Wrestling - We've only seen his wrestling acumen a couple of times, both offensively and defensively. He has a Division II NCAA title in his back pocket. So he has the skills and the potential for great wrestling. We've seen him take down a fighter and use his wrestling in reverse to get off his back. It appears as if he only uses his wrestling out of desperation and not as a "go to".
- Submissions - We have not seen his submission offense or defense in the UFC. Based on his record, I would say it is decent. He has not been submitted and he does have a few submissions wins (albeit in subpar organizations), however all of them were by punches or guillotine, which is the strong man submission.
- Top Control - As stated before Carwin does not use his wrestling. The one time we did see him on top, he finished the fighter. In looking at his wrestling pedigree in addition to his strength, I would say his top control is great
Clinch Game:
- Carwin's has a good clinch game against the cage. His strength and wrestling give him an advantage against most fighters in this area. His ability to create concussive power in such short spaces makes him deadly. There are areas where he can step up his technique, but much like the other facets of his game, it has not cost him thus far.
Intangibles:
- Greg Jackson and the rest of the Winkeljohn/Jackson crew - If there's ever an All-Star training camp in MMA, it's these guys. GSP, Rashad Evans, Nate Marquardt and Greg Jackson, the Professor X of MMA. If you can't learn from these guys, you're in the wrong business. Carwin has access to some of the greatest minds in MMA. Thus far, his gameplans have worked.
- Experience - Carwin has a decent number of fights, but not a lot of cage time. There are situations he has not seen or experienced. He's fortunate not to have run into too many problems in the cage thus far. What will he do when he faces true adversity? We've seen him recover once, so we know he doesn't fold easily.
- Physical - Carwin is a 6'1", 275 lb machine, one of the strongest men in the division. His speed, however, leaves something to be desired. He's not quick around the cage nor is he the most agile, but he has adequate agility for a heavyweight. Carwin is out of his element when speed and movement are factors in a fight.
- Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
Carwin’s skills are obvious; strength, punching power, wrestling expertise. Nevertheless, Carwin’s weaknesses are evident as well; bad form, slow on the feet, possibly weak chin. He has been able to avoid exploitation of his weaknesses by a fighter thus far in all his fights. To beat Carwin, you’re more than likely have to take a punch. A big punch. You’re going to have to exploit those weaknesses and get him past the first two rounds where that unknown cardio comes into factor. That’s easier said than done. Shane Carwin is a threat to any fighter fighting at HW.
(Writer’s note: This is the first in a series of 5 articles I plan to write in the week leading up to the Brock Lesnar vs Shane Carwin fight at UFC 116, Saturday, July 3rd. Up tomorrow, my analysis of the champion, Brock Lesnar.)
The FanPosts are solely the subjective opinions of Bloody Elbow readers and do not necessarily reflect the views of Bloody Elbow editors or staff.
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Great Read. Its almost making me think of changing my pick!
I would have liked to see you run a breakdown of his strengths as well.
Shane Carwin has power. Shane Carwin hits like a Mack Truck.
Those are his strengths.
I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.
Pretty much. He’s also proven he can take a beating and still maintain that power making him a threat every second of the fight. He’s definitely a new challenge for Brock on several fronts.
Take punches and come back? Yes.
Take a beating? He hasn’t been put in that situation yet.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin doesnt throw jabs?
Shane knocked out Wellisch with a 1(left jab), 2(straight right) combination. He chased Wellisch around the ring throwing the 1, 2 combination.
If you'll read my Art of War article
You’ll see where I rescinded that statement once I watched the tapes with an eagle’s eye. Those two punches were also the best technical punches he’s thrown. And if you also read that same article, you will see the gifs of him chasing him around the ring and getting off balance on more than one occasion.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I tried not to...
Get into specific examples of his fights when writing this as that’s what I planned on doing in another post. With gifs.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions
I think another set of intangibles
that factor into any analysis of a fighter is his psyche/mindset/mental fortitude.
Carwin seems very cool and smart under pressure. He doesn’t get psyched out. He doesn’t appear intimidated. He believes he’s a clinch and punch away from winning. He believes in himself. These are very important traits, so I would have wanted to see them mentioned in your analysis.
Otherwise, thanks for the write up.
Being overrated is overrated.
Mental game
I was going to touch more on the mental aspect when I analyze Carwin’s fights on Wednesday and when I do the match up on Friday.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the article but had to lol at Rashad Evans having some of the best head movement in the game. he does move his head a lot outside of range but that does not equate to good head movement.
by xbuckeyex05 on Jun 28, 2010 6:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe not so much in the Machida fight
But if you look at, say, his Chuck Liddell fight, he was making Chuck miss. Thiago the same thing. Rampage (when he threw) as well.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like much of Rashad’s head movement comes from hopping back and forth on his feet. This is the technical flaw that Lyoto exploited.
In general, I’ve been less than impressed with the Jackson camp’s technical striking – they never did much w/ Jardine’s atrocious footwork and Rashad is still super sloppy on his feet.
GSP is different seeing as (a) he came to the camp more or less as a complete fighter, and (b) his head trainer is Firas Zahabi.
I've never been impressed with Jackson's
IMO, they lucked out in Diego who peaked early. They lucked out in Rashad as you could see the potential in him from TUF2 (fast hands, speed, athleticism and good wrestling). Picked up an already world champ GSP, 7 time KOP Nate the Great.
Honestly, who have they “developed”? Keith Jardine has gotten worse. They never worked on his striking at all. Carwin is the same fighter. His stance is HORRIBLE. Watch his fight against Wellisch and watch his fight against Mir. Hands down, chin up, front leg way out and hunched over. IMO, if he had faced the “old” Mir who wasn’t so concerned about size, he would’ve gotten picked apart on the feet. They lucked out again with Jon Jones. Another fighter who’s a) already good and b) the potential is already showing.
IMO what Jackson is good at is the “mental” part of fighting. And I don’t mean gameplanning as I think that aspect of his camp is overrated as well. It consists for “Do what you are best at.” What I mean is the making fighters feel good and calming their minds. Like a Joe Stevenson or a Melvin Guilllard.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Jackson runs a great camp
don’t get me wrong. I think he does great on coaching positional wrestling, and getting his fighters into a good mentality/mindset. And while some people overplay the game-planing aspect, Jackson does seem to watch the tape and figure out a way to favorably match up strengths vs weakness most of the time.
But the striking I think is where the camp is way overrated. Greg Jackson more or less said on some UFC promo (before the Silva fight?), that he wasn’t interested in making Keith Jardine an orthodox striker, but in making his unorthodox striking style work in the cage. Well, (a) obviously that hasn’t worked out very well and (b) unorthodox style? Try ass horrible instead. (Here’s a hint Keith, you have no chin, so don’t lean forward and stick it out at your opponent.)
I believe Jackson has been Nate’s MMA trainer since pretty much the beginning though. It was the KOP wins that first got Jackson’s gym the recognition in the first place.
Of course, I could be wrong about that.
This seems alittle biased… coming from black lesnar. Its still a great read and very informative. I always thought his stand up wasnt 100% perfect, but damn it works for him
I figured the name would throw people off
But trust me, tomorrow Lesnar gets the same treatment. It was hard coming up with more positive things to say beside “He hits hard”, “He’s strong”, or “He’s a good wrestler”. Just looking at everything from a technical aspect, there are a few flaws in his game. He’s been fortunate enough that no one has been able to significantly capitalize on them.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah it seems just a little harsh on Carwin.
But I still rec’d it for being super-informative. Still great analysis as is.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Carwin got this...
Lesnar, in my opinion, hasn’t fought anyone like Carwin. He’s been bigger and stronger than his opponents. Not this time around. Carwin might not knock him out, but I believe he’s taking this fight. Either way this is going to be good.
It works in reverse.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
carwin is 6'2 and 295 lbs.
this information is in his bio on his own web page.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 1:54 AM EDT reply actions
He was also 6'5" against Mir, did he cut height for this fight?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I would trust his own personal website for the correct information...
Since according to his press release he updates that stuff himself….I did catch that 6’5 previously, as well as 6’3 and 6’2 and 6’1 depending on the source. Again, I’d trust his personal site over anything else.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin was 6'1"
at the time of his NFL combine 10 years ago. Odds are, he’s still that same height. In addition, he is shorter than Mir and Lesnar dwarfed Mir.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin has even stated that he’s 6’-1" on a good day…Whatever that means
I get more rec's then a Toyota!
then why would his own personal website say 6'2?
He puts that information on there himself, according to himself. Make sense?
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is...
Why WOULDN’T he? If the UFC has listed him as 6’5" and such, why wouldn’t he put 6’2"? It’s just an inch. But it looks good. Point is that Brock is taller than Carwin.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
no desputing that, thats for sure!
frock is a mammoth.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
dont know where frock came from....
the f isnt even close to the b
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not arguing what he may or may not have said...
because I think I even remember him saying that, but maybe it was for exxagerated effect in the context of the conversation….Just that according to the man himself, if you want the correct infomation its on his website and thats what his bio says which was put up by the man himself. That is all, dont mean to argue, but thats what the bio says. check it out.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe he... lied
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
PS.
thats hilarious by the way. and im NOT being sarcastic I literally laughed out loud at the cut height for the fight remark! good stuff.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw the Brock one first
These are freakin sweet, can’t wait for the rest of them.

I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...
Good Stuff
can’t wait to read the rest
follow me twitter.com/GotaHemmi
by Brian Hemminger on Jun 29, 2010 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
Shane Carwin does not like my article
I tweeted my article yesterday and he tweeted me back saying “I would love to ask him to get a clue, but that is likely asking to (sic) much”. When I told him thanks for the plug and if he had a rebuttal, he responded “Trash is to be taken out not discussed that is why they call it trash”. I told him I wasn’t interested in a Twitter war with him. He then removed me from his followers and blocked me from following him. And then he protected his tweets. And then I got messages from the “Carwin Army”.
I was not disrespectful to the man at all, it’s out there for the internet to see. The man is childish. The funny thing is he tweeted me 4 minutes after I tweeted my article, so I know he didn’t read it all.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 6:13 PM EDT reply actions
haha wow!
if you can take anything away from his the media debacle that snowden discussed, its that if you want information, go to his personal website to get it. That was the entire point of everything he said. He is sick and tired of the media playing things up from other sources for an article or a story, and if you want the correct info, go to his site and get it or ask him on his blog because he will personally take time out of his own day to respond and make sure he is accurately represented and protrayed. Im not trying to accuse you of anything, I dont mean this to sound that way, Im just basically repeating what his whole problem was that caused the stir. Thats why I said above, Id trust his own personal website before anything else. Personally I find Carwin a breath of fresh air, but thats just me. He is a class act IMHO.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
What debacle?
I missed it.
But no, he just thought my post was “trash”. I thought I was fair and accurate about his skills. Nothing I wrote had anything that needed “information” from him. It was purely based on watching his fights.
What? He can’t be criticized?
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Not your post, I'm talking about his reaction to this post.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
ya I do agree there.
he seems very VERY…..whats the word…..on edge I guess about what anyone has to say about him. even if its jsut an internet blogger somewhere with no media ties!
I cant believe he caught your twitter update that fast! he must have one of those internet filters that finds when his name is mentioned and alerts him. My boss has one for our architecture firm and I mentioned it in my photography website and he asked me the next day about it!
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Or his twitter texts him when any new updates come through..
My iPhone sends me text alerts for my FB and Twitter updates..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
the media thing he talks about on his website.
some writers accused him of not selling the fight or doing his part to sell it, and then jonathan snowden published an article hear talking about it, then carwin called him out, and snowden published another story that was a mirror image (he did a 180 essentially) of the original which was more or less just the opposing viewpoint. There is a lot I dont know about the whole thing, I asked snowden to clarify it for me in another post but never got an answer…the whole thing was a mess and he has had issues in teh past with writers on BE. so after all that he did a press release that told anyone and everyone that if they want to write about him, go to his website and get the information directly from the source so that no second hand info gets passed on and everything about im is accurately portrayed and he is correctly represented. Again, I dont know all the details so I dont want to say something about it that I have no idea about, you would have to ask snowden was exactly transpired because he was in an argument with mmalogic (who would have guessed) and said that he had no idea what he was talking about in regards to the “tail tucking 180 stunt” he pulled with those 2 articles. They directly contradicted each other Carwin said and he had a big problem with the way he was portrayed, which I am guessing is exactly what his problem was with your article here.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
we have emails documenting everything Snowden reported
and they come from deep withing Carwin’s camp.
Follow me on Twitter @KidNate
by Nate Wilcox on Jun 30, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Where can I get this stuff clarified?
Ive been wondering what happened for so long because everytime this gets brought up someone says something else and snowdens only responses have been “you dont know what you are talking about.”
well how about he tell us what its all about? straighten it out so people are making outrageous speculations. Clear the air so to speak.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
are = arent*
my bad. I suck at typing. Im a good old 2 finger typer.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, you're more informed than me
I don’t even know what the situation is. From what I understood, someone wrote an article and Carwin didn’t like it. Haven’t heard that one before.
rolls eyes
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i think its kept pretty close to the chest at BE
because it involved a dispute with one of the writers….JS.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I would think he would look at your post and be thankful....
he could take it as constructive criticism and address the holes in his game that you see. Maybe he is in denial about them…It should be helpful to him in all reality!
by Opposites Attack on Jun 29, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean I would think so
I know my writing skills are up to par and if some of the more experienced writers came and said “Hey, you need to do this”, as long as they were respectful and objective, I would appreciate it.
This is not the only incident. I think he’s cracking perconally.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 29, 2010 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not see how this would piss Carwin off? Your opening statements:
“Carwin’s stance is not good”
“Carwin’s head movement is essentially non-existent.”
“is slow and plodding”
“Carwin does not throw jabs”
“There’s not much technique to analyze as much of what Carwin does isn’t technical”
“His chin, for now, is questionable at best”
“We’ve only seen his wrestling acumen a couple of times”
“We have not seen his submission offense or defense in the UFC”
“Carwin does not use his wrestling”
“Carwin has a decent number of fights, but not a lot of cage time”
“Cardio – The BIG question”
All but three are negative opening statements. And you would expect him to keep on reading? Really, who are you to criticize a professional fighter with a perfect record? If I was in his place, I would invite you into the cage so you could feel my imperfect technique in all of its destructive glory.
Well, to be honest,
None of those are untrue. His stance isn’t good, he doesn’t move his head, he is slow, he doesn’t throw jabs, he’s not technical, his chin is questionable, etc etc.
Yes, who am I to analyze a professional fighter? He is above reproach. Since he has never lost, he has no flaws. Same as Fedor, he had obvious flaws. Anyone who watches his fights can see them. And yes, I should roll with him and spar with him because I dare write a fanpost on Bloody Elbow. LIke I said, I don’t give a fuck about criticism or even insults, I just find it funny that he would even engage in Twitter bashing the week of his fight. His mind isn’t in the right place.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 30, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets just call it like it is. He is a professional fighter… He is new to the spotlight as mentioned above.
You said that he responded rather quickly so he probably skimmed the article and came up with the comments that MMArmy pointed out and saw it for what the article is… a fair assessment, but one that is pretty critical for someone that is 12-0.
Either way I think his reaction was excessive, but he has probably been receiving similar criticism for months now. I’m sure it was a cumulative knee jerk reaction in which he just didn’t want to be bothered anymore by fans critiquing him.
(Forgive me in advance for my many spelling and grammatical errors.)
Ubereem is here to kill the Finkelstein monster!
a fighter should be able address people who see holes in his game
in order to make myself better and more affective in combat. hthis seems like an overly sensitive response to something he could have used to build himself up even stronger. To be so butthurt by some internet fans criticism rather than taking it in a constructive manner is rather weak….and I’m a HUGE carwin fan and believe he has all the class in the world. Perhaps just needs to be less sensitive. He seems like he isn’t yet adjusted to the spotlight, and with the spotlight comes the microscope. If you are a piblic figure, a hero, a cage fighter, you need to be able to take criticism and not act juvinile and block black lesnar fro his twitter because it hurt his feelings.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
His coaches can address the holes. I don’t think he should be requird to take in every fans point of view. Even if it is as well written as Black Lesnars piece.
I agree with you on everything else.
Ubereem is here to kill the Finkelstein monster!
my point is black lesnar did nothing to put this into carwins hands.
carwin is the one who went out of his way to find and read it, and then took his own time to respond. when you are a public figure people are going to write about you and some of it will be critical. to say that a fan doesnt have the right to write a critical piece about a UFC fighter is absurd to say the least.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
And i know about criticism.
Im an architect. My firms projects are in the papers in san francisco all the time and get ripped apart by anyone from cashier clerks, to gas station attendents, to attorneys to doctors and beyond. People with no architectural background whatsoever. You have to be able to take the criticism, address it maturely, and apply it if necessary. Carwin failed to do that and that is a HUGE part of doing anything in the public eye.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention that coaches may not see all the holes despite being professionals.
I’d say any criticism should be addressed professionally and acknoweldged maturely. He may not agree, and thats fine, but in my opinion, the more the better. It should only be viewed as helpful in the long run, you know?
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
one more thing.
nobody required him to read it or respond. He did that on his own. He made the choice, and he reacted how he felt necessary. pretty plain and simple.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe I misunderstood. I thought Black Lesnar tweeted the story to him or whatever. I’m not on twitter so I don’t know how that works… But I was under the impression that given the critical nature of the article (which I don’t disagree with) and his screen name Black Lesnar (if he used the same name on twitter), Shane might of gotten the wrong idea. But I’m just speculating. Black Lesnar also apparently said he didn’t want a twitter war with him, which lead to the further action. Excessive? Yes. Immature? Probably. Unexpected from a cage fighter days away from the biggest fight of his life? Not a chance.
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Like I said, it's not important to me
I just found it funny the way he responded was like a 14-year old girl. Who blocks someone on Twitter, especially if they are not harassing or insulting you. It was funny. I think it shows his state of mind. He’s feeling the pressure.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
he must be under a lot of stress and anxiety
especially with an unbeaten record, all 1st round stoppages (or as spike keeps saying for some rediculous reason “all first round knockouts” which is a very misleading. In the UFC yes, in 12 fights, 5 were by submission, get it straight SPIKE)
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno
His stance has sucked since the Wellisch fight.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
refer to my post above.
Coaches may nto see all teh whole. The bottom line is that any criticism should be valued and taken into consideration. Some people may see holes that even the professionals miss and ciriticism is a very valuable thing when you arent over sensitive about it. If he doesnt see any value it what was said, thats fine, dont respond then. But I think he should be open to taking it all in to make himself better in teh long run. Thats just my opinion though and I receive criticism caily for my work in architecture from people wo have ZERO background or experience in architecture, but you still have to take it into consideration and in small instances can help make the end product better.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't even need to be taken into consideration
I mean really who am I, but a fan of the sport. Him responding like a chick is what made me laugh and t threw me for a loop.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
very infantile for sure.
you are allowed the make criticism as a writer. He didnt have to go out of his way to read it. you didnt put it in his hands or in front of his face. very childish.
by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
shut up
This is ridiculous. If fighters can’t handle honest criticism they need to shut up. And threatening everyone who critiques your work with beatings is really stupid.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly!
very well put….you summarized in a sentence what took my 4 or 5 replies. thats why you are the writer I guess!
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by Opposites Attack on Jul 1, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't sweat what fighters think about your stuff
1) they’re not able to be objective
2) they’re professional fighters, like Chris Leben always says fighters “are like strippers, they ain’t paying their way thru college” — ie they have issues or they’d have a different job.
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by Nate Wilcox on Jun 30, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh I'm not worried.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I don’t want to say what Carwin was thinking or not, but it might be considered disrespectful for a fan to be sending a professional fighter a long article which they wrote telling him what he’s good and technical at and not so good at. I’m not saying it was your intent to do so but I could see how it could come off in the wrong way and irk someone. I don’t think Carwin would be alone in that, as I’m sure many fighters including Brock take issue with a fan doing that to him.
Also, not a bad article. But I definitely thought you were off about Rashad’s head movement since moving around doesn’t really mean it’s technical. Also, Carwin’s clinch game was pretty technical in how he knocked out Mir. Trevor Wittman made some good points on why Carwin’s knock out and clinch was so good in that fight.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
he didn't send it to him from my understanding.
he posted it on his twitter and shane saw it and responded. I think he must have one of those internet scanning programs that notifies him when his name pops up in something posted to the web. My boss has the same thing for the architecture firm I work for.
by Opposites Attack on Jun 30, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well either way, IMO it’s hard to blame Carwin or any fighter for that matter, for being a little irritated at a fan linking an article on their page telling them and other what their good at. I can’t imagine that going over well with a lot of fighters.
And again, let me reiterate I don’t think there was any ill intent behind it on Black Lesnar’s part, just poorly thought out.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Fighters have to read things about them all the time
That’s part of the game. As long as someone isn’t attacking them maliciously or something of that nature, I wouldn’t expect a fighter to react like that. It goes into what I said earlier and what I will write about on Friday. I think he’s cracking.
I don’t see what was “poorly thought out”. I send a tweet out for every thing I write on here. If I wanted to give it to him, I would. And shit, I don’t mind what he said, I’m a big boy, I can bang with the best of ‘em. His reaction was one of a person who’s tired of the media and tired of the pressure the big spotlight brings.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 30, 2010 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions
My bad, from what I read I thought you had tweeted the link to the article on his page, which I thought was just dumb, but I see now that you didn’t. Between misreading your post and the fact twitter confuses the hell out of me at times(I don’t tweet) I got confused. Sorry!
I don’t know why Carwin felt the need to comment on your piece if it wasn’t directly on his page. I don’t know how much of it is tired of the media though.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I didn't say his head movement was technical
in fact, Evans’ movement is quite unorthodox. But it’s effective. He was frustrating Liddell at the end of the 1st round and 2nd round. See how many shots landed. Machida it obviously failed, but in Thiago, it worked until he gassed.
If you notice, I gave Carwin credit for a great clinch game. The key in that fight however, I’ll talk about tomorrow when I review Carwin’s fights.
And as for your first paragraph, I didn’t send him anything. That’s down right asinine to send a fighter a critique of their skills especially from an amateur. I’m an asshole, but not that much of one.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 30, 2010 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s really effective. When he fights a supieor striker he gets tagged. It’s almost cost him big twice now. In his last fight he did a great job setting up hit takedowns with strikes. That’s what Evans needs to do more often.
I didn’t say you didn’t give Carwin credit for his clinch game, rather than you said it needed step up in his technique, He actually did a good job with his technique, particulary when he landed his uppercuts in the clinch.
Trevor Wittman -
What makes him such a devastating puncher?
His leg strength. A lot of guys lack the leg power. And with those short punches like you saw him do against Frank Mir, all that leverage came from his calf muscles and his quads. If you saw him, it looked like he was kind of bouncing or doing jump rope and that’s what the old time heavyweights used to do, like Holyfield. You see them kind of cover up and then bounce up with two or three uppercuts and man those are vicious punches and I don’t see a lot of boxers using that nowadays, using a lot of leg power. I see them using their squatting legs like their squat power with their quads, but not using their toes. And that bouncing power is so so incredible. And to have a guy with his strength be able to throw punches technically correct is amazing.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
When I break down his fight with Mir
You’ll see where it’s just as much Mir’s errors as Carwin’s technique. He does deserve credit in his ability to create powerful punches in small space, but that’s all encapsulated by his power.
And Evans’ head movement had NOTHING to do with his loss against Rampage. He stunned himself on Rampage’s knee and Rampaage capitalized and then failed to capitalize on his capitalization. As for Thiago fight, his movement was great until he gassed (which is a big problem for Rashad which I will cover if I ever do one of these for him).
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 30, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought your post was fair, though on the critical side. Definitely seems like an overreaction on Carwin’s part. Of course here he is a couple days before the biggest fight of his life. It’s natural to be a bit on edge I would think.
I think his boxing technique is better than you credit him with. He’s strong, but he’s not substantially stronger than Lesnar, and yet he has more KO power than Lesnar. That points to better punching technique. He’s certainly not picture perfect, but some of the technical shortcomings (ie being flat footed) may be tradeoffs accepted to help him generate his ridiculous power.
This fight is so intriguing because Lesnar finally faces someone who is at least close to his size, and Carwin actually faces someone bigger. We may find out a lot of things that we could only guess about before.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
You can be powerful with poor technique
Ask Feydor.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 1, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, I think we’re defining poor technique differently. Technique that generates that much power has something going for it. I’m not saying it’s perfect, but he clearly has the ability to utilize the strength of more than just his arm when throwing a punch. Lesnar has not shown that ability with any regularity, or he’d have highlight reel KO’s rather than GNP TKO’s.
Unorthodox striking can leave you open to more technical strikers, and Arlovski proved that by outboxing Fedor. Then Fedor showed why one monster punch can trump a whole lot of crisp, accurate, non-fight-ending punches.
But I grant your point that Carwin’s boxing is NOT textbook.
I consider myself a softcore fan.
Great Breakdown
You know your stuff. The biggest factor coming into this fight seems to be Brock’s diverticulitis and how well he’s recovered from it. His speed and athleticism should serve him well against Carwin if he has.
by KahilBS_Marshal on Jun 30, 2010 5:56 PM EDT reply actions
Excellent stuff!
Very good breakdown, look forward to reading the coming parts. Now I’m off the read the Brock Lesnar one.. keep it up!
Holy shit. Did I call this or what?
Cardio – The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He’s never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can’t do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won’t find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
Spot on. Spot on.
Called it before the fight:
Cardio - The BIG question. Does Shane Carwin have cardio? He's never gone past the first round. His muscle mass is astounding and we all know that with all that muscle comes a need for the heart to pump fresh oxygenated blood to keep them from building lactic acid. He does train up in the thin air of Colorado, so that can't do anything but help. However, we have seen him pretty winded after a 1st round fight. Adrenaline dump or cardio problems? We won't find out the answer to that until someone takes him out of the first round.
by S.C. Michaelson on Jul 28, 2010 12:24 PM EDT reply actions

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