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MMA History XXI: The Amazing UFC Championship Run of Frank Shamrock

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Since Frank Shamrock officially retired from fighting on Saturday, I thought I'd go ahead an revive my long slumbering MMA History series with a special all Frank Shamrock installment. It's oddly fitting that Frank's retirement was utterly overshadowed by the defeat of Fedor Emelianenko's first ever defeat on the same night because Frank's career, storied as it has been has been constantly in the shadows. 

As I wrote a year ago:

Its easy for newer fans to sleep on just how great Frank Shamrock was at his peak. There are several reasons for this:

  1. He fought at the beginning of the dark ages of the UFC. They were still on PPV but just barely. So many fewer people saw Frank's glory days than saw the Royce Gracie/Ken Shamrock era or even the Don Frye/Mark Coleman period.
  2. His biggest fights have never been released on DVD in the states (track down the Australian versions on EBay). 
  3. He walked away from the sport at his physical peak (age 28) and barely fought for the next ten years. He almost signed with PRIDE but never stepped in the ring there. 
  4. Many casual fans confuse him with his adopted brother Ken Shamrock.
  5. Most of his biggest wins were over fighters who either never lived up to their potential (Olympic gold medalist Kevin Jackson), retired after losing to Frank (Igor Zinoviev) or went on to suffer long declines that make them seem less impressive in retrospect (Enson Inoue, John Lober).
  6. Finally, his feud with Zuffa has caused them to write him out of the official history of the UFC. Don't hold your breath waiting for Frank to be inducted in the UFC Hall of Fame although no fighter deserves it more.

Dave Meltzer writes:

Shamrock started in the Pancrase organization in Japan in 1994. It was the first organization that popularized the sport in that country. Starting out in the shadow of adopted brother Ken Shamrock, the top fighter in the company, Frank briefly held the Pancrase championship and had legendary battles with the likes of Bas Rutten (video), Yuki Kondo, Masakatsu Funaki and Allan Goes.

While it is basically erased from the UFC version of the history of the sport, Shamrock's run as champion from Dec. 21, 1997, through relinquishing the title on Sept. 24, 1999, was one of the most impressive runs in company history.

He won the championship by beating 1992 Olympic wrestling gold medalist Kevin Jackson in 14 seconds with an armbar. He followed with a 22-second win against Igor Zinoviev, at the time the other major champion in the sport, with one of the most devastating slams in UFC history. His final UFC appearance, against Tito Ortiz, still is considered the greatest match of the UFC's early days (video). Giving up 25 pounds in the cage, he survived three rounds of ground and pound with movement on the bottom that gassed out his far bigger and stronger opponent.

From my second ever post on Bloody Elbow (if you click through you can read me bashing Frank pretty hard for his 2007 era antics):

He was the first great fighter to be more than one-dimensional -- equally dangerous on his feet or on the ground. And more importantly he fought smart. Where his adopted brother Ken would come in to a fight with a one-move game plan and be stymied if something went wrong -- like Dan Severn refusing to go for the takedown -- Frank adapted.

His range and his brains exposed the weaknesses of even the best athletes in the game at the time. Shooto champ Enson Inoue was known for his dominating BJJ game, but Frank used the "TK guard" to survive being mounted by Inoue for nearly an entire round before baiting Enson into a fight ending brawl. Gold medal Olympian Kevin Jackson didn't know submissions and Frank armbarred him in 16 seconds. The fierce Russian Igor Zinoviev had really bad takedown defense and 22 seconds later Frank had slammed him out cold. Jeremy Horn surprised Frank and dominated through the regular period (video), only to fall for a sneaky kneebar in the overtime round -- Frank's pancrase background came in handy there!

Then he had his revenge match, John Lober had out-muscled and out-meaned Frank in their SuperBrawl match-up (video) and he was talking major trash before their UFC Brazil rematch. Frank just flat whipped his ass. Threw him around the ring, beat him standing and on the ground and in the end threw Lober's threat to "beat him down until he won't want to get up and take anymore" back in his face.

Frank's glory years reached a fitting climax when he used his superior conditioning and ring generalship to wear out Tito. Tito had thrived on beating smaller opponents by getting the take down and then punishing them when they tried to fight to their feet. Frank refused to play that game. Frank conceded the takedown, went to guard and when Tito tired in the late rounds, Frank exploded to his feet and put the hurt on.

It's impossible to convey how thrilling it was to follow Frank Shamrock in his glory days. Not only did he put together one of the most impressive championship runs in UFC history, he did it by dramatically beating a string of opponents in different ways. There were thrilling upsets (Kevin Jackson, Tito Ortiz), revenge matches (John Lober), come from behind pull it out of nowhere submissions (Jeremy Horn), blink and you'll miss it quick matches (Jackson, Igor Zinoviev) and an epic beatdown (John Lober). 

Rooting for Frank Shamrock during that period was the most thrilling sports fan experience of my life, matched only by watching the 1976 Oakland Raiders championship season as a seven year old following his first football season. Thanks for the memories Frank, maybe someday the UFC will realize that honoring your accomplishments adds to their glory as well.

I should also mention Frank's innovative team The Alliance. After beginning his MMA career with brother Ken Shamrock's Lion's Den, Frank left and joined up with Maurice Smith and Tsuyoshi Kohsaka to form The Alliance. Here's Frank talking to Cageside Seats about the first multi-discipline fighting camp in MMA and a little bonus about his falling out with Dana White:

You formed the Alliance with Mo Smith and TK, was that a major game changer? 

100% The truth is Ken had limited knowledge about training and athletics and most of it came from wrestling and football. I was never taught how to do cardiovascular training until I met Maurice Smith. He was like you gotta get your heart rate up to a certain level and build your cardiovascular system. I was like "whoah! that's amazing stuff." The truth is that we were all fighters but there was limited information available. As athletes in our sport we were not very developed. A lot of people think I was on the cutting edge of mixed martial arts and yes I was but I was also on the cutting edge of developing as an athlete as well as training the techniques.  Maurice brought the striking and the cardio and the inside fighting and TK brought the active ground game, a different kind of ground fighting that was position based but also submission based. The three of us were just like this weird melting pot where everyone else was fighting to keep their style intact, we were making a new one and also creating a new level of athlete which was me for some time. 

How much of it was Maurice Smith changing everyone's preconceptions about MMA when he won the UFC title?
I think a lot of it was that and I also think a lot of it was, you know, we kept showing up as a team. Not only Maurice winning the Extreme title and winning the UFC title. He literally beat everybody up. He was a kickboxer then we kind of replicated that a few years later with me.  We kind of cemented the idea that everything works, nothing works for long, you just keep improving your body and your machine. 

What led to Dana White hating you so much that you've been erased from UFC history?
For me it was just business. The business was very young and dangerous business for both parties. They invested a lot of money and didn't really know the product. They invested heavily in this market and came up short for the first few years. My brand was well established and I was taking it out of the sport and I was working on making it a household name. When we met it was very bad time for the two of us to get in bed together. I already had a plan. I was going to be the Bruce Lee of MMA. I wanted to bring athleticism and honor into the sport. That was my mission and that's where I was going. Their mission was to have me fight for them. And I couldn't get them to see my bigger vision and to see the long term plan. At the time Dana was not a very accomplished businessman and he took it personal. I took it personal that he took it personal. I'm very vocal about what I like and what I don't like. I don't think a giant monopoly controlling all the talent and everything in the whole sport is good for business. I helped build Strikeforce because I see the future and there's plenty of fighting to go around and plenty of talent.    

Some HL videos, animated gifs and more on Frank's biggest ever win in the full entry and talk about a couple of other fights from the period that mattered.

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HL Reel of Frank Shamrock's greatest hits from his UFC championship era:

Here's Dave Meltzer's write up of Frank's greatest win, his defeat of Tito Ortiz at UFC 22 (video here):

Shamrock weighed in at 198 pounds fully clothed, and after getting off the scale, pulled a thick book out of his pocket, so he was really about 195 pounds. Ortiz weighed in at 199.9 pounds, the maximum allowed at the time in the weight class. By the early afternoon of the fight, he was 217, and he was between 220 and 222 when he stepped into the cage.

With five inches and about 25-27 pounds weight difference, the two men looked to be two weight classes apart.

The first two rounds saw Ortiz easily take Shamrock down. Shamrock's movement on the ground was such that he was able to avoid most of Ortiz's ground-and-pound. During the second round, Shamrock was busier from the bottom punching Ortiz's ears, and Ortiz was having trouble getting clean blows in.

The third round was the turning point. Shamrock scored with several low kicks but Ortiz took him down once again. Shamrock again threw more blows from the bottom, but couldn't get off his back against his much stronger foe. Ortiz delivered a hard knee to the head when knees on the ground were still legal, opening up a big cut over Shamrock's left eye.

Ortiz then stuck his fingers into the cut to attempt to spread it, again, at a time when such a maneuver was still legal since it had never been done in UFC so nobody thought to ban it (it was banned after this fight).

Shamrock was bleeding heavily, but Ortiz was huffing and puffing at the end of the round.

As the second show under the 10-point must system for scoring, Shamrock had lost all three rounds, although it was just as clear to the crowd the fight had turned around and Shamrock was likely to win.

In the fourth round, Shamrock's low kicks resulted in Ortiz's knee being bright red with welts. Ortiz still used his reach and hurt Shamrock with jabs, but Shamrock's low kick were doing more damage. Ortiz got the takedown, but was tiring and Shamrock reversed him, unleashed a barrage of punches, and Ortiz went for another takedown. Shamrock caught him in a guillotine and started squeezing, dropped the hold, then started dropping elbows and punches, and Ortiz tapped at 4:45 of Round 4.

Here's an unusual one -- Frank went to Japan between his rematch against John Lober and his defeat of Tito Ortiz and fought RINGS star Kiyoshi Tamura to a draw. RINGS had a different rule set, it was closer to Pancrase than anything else -- no punches to the head standing, but kicks were allowed and no striking on the ground. At the time I didn't consider it MMA, but Sherdog counts it:

And here's Frank slamming Igor Zinoviev into retirement at UFC 16. From my UFC 16 post:

Coming in to this event, no one expected Frank to take out Igor Zinoviev quickly. Igor had been the first to beat a top BJJ black belt in a major event in the states (Mario Sperry). Igor had DESTROYED Enson Inoue -- a fighter who had just given Frank the fight of his life. And Igor had gone to a hard fought draw against John Lober -- whose win over Frank had yet to be avenged.

And yet Frank saw something the commenters didn't. Igor Z. had a terrible habit of responding to a shoot by grabbing a headlock and curling around his opponent's body. Frank had clearly been watching for that because his slam was the perfect way to solve the otherwise very difficult Igor Zinoviev problem.

On the same UFC 17 card that Frank barely got past Jeremy Horn, Carlos Newton and Dan Henderson met in the "Middleweight Tournament" finals. It was a four fight tourney at 200lbs. Newton, who would go on to fight at welterweight for most of his carreer was far smaller than Henderson. Nevertheless it was a hugely anticipated match up as both men were very highly regarded at the time. Watch it here. Even though Newton lost, he came away with his reputation very much intact as many believed he should have won the decision.

Also at UFC 17 was Chuck Liddell in his debut MMA fight against Noe Hernandez (HL video). His second fight was against the much smaller Brazilian Jose "Pele" Landi-Jons. Pele, the first star from the Chute Boxe camp that produced Wanderlei Silva, Mauricio "Shogun"  Rua and Anderson Silva, gives the much larger Liddell a good fight.


Other entries in this series:

XXII: Catch Wrestling and Kazushi Sakuraba's Early PRIDE Run
XXI: The Amazing UFC Championship Run of Frank Shamrock

XX: Kazushi Sakuraba and Frank Shamrock Emerge at Ultimate Japan
XIX: The Humbled PRIDE of Nobuhiko Takada
XVIII: The Losses of Luta Livre
XVII: The Lion's Den Roars
XVI: Rico Chiapparelli and the RAW Team
XV: Pancrase, RINGS, and Shooto 1996
XIV: Boom and Bust in Brazil
XIII: Coleman Gets His Kicks
XII: End of the UFC Glory Days
XI: Carlson Gracie's Mighty Camp
X: The Reign of the Wrestlers
IX: Strikers Attack
VIII: From Russia With Leglocks
VII: A New Phase in the UFC
VI: A Dutch Detour
V: The Reign of Royce
IV: Rickson Brings Jiu Jitsu Back to Japan
III: Proto MMA Evolves Out of Worked Pro Wrestling in Japan
II: The Ur-Brazilian MMA Feud: BJJ vs Luta Livre and the Style They Never Saw Coming
I: UFC 1 Pancrase meets BJJ

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So happy you're bringing this series back.

This is a fantastic piece with a lot of information. Solid Nate. Solid.

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by Matthew Roth on Jun 28, 2010 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

The History and Judo Chops are by far my favorite MMA pieces on any site

"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye

RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)

by Excelsior! on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also, does anyone have the GIF of Frank getting punched by Bas(?) in Pancrase?

"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye

RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)

by Excelsior! on Jun 28, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

epic

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by DamnSevern on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

The amount of power necessary for that slam is ridiculous. Frank is practically doing the splits has he starts to lift him.

by ricker2005 on Jun 28, 2010 10:23 AM EDT reply actions  

i was thinking not the greatest technique but hey it worked

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

This was great. Huge thanks.

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by RagingNoodles on Jun 28, 2010 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Frank talking about career/retirement at the post fight press conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGgrCihbBvc

It’s a shame that so many people only know him by his recent work, he really is one of the people who made this sport what it is today.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Franks career is not that great. Look at his record and his opponent list, look at his actual wins and losses. Tito was his ONLY great win in his entire career, IMO. He had other solid wins in guys like Horn and Igor and Funaki, but his record is filled with packing peanuts.

Frank’s impact was largely that he carried the UFC through it’s dark ages. The fact that the UFC survived at all is amazing. Frank had almost nothing to do with the UFC’s revitalization, but the fact that there was a UFC to revitalize does owe quite a bit to Frank.

Shamrock, like Tito, is a great marketer. His self promotion is so good that people don’t actually often look at his career. However, that self marketing did help MMA when it needed it, so he should be thanked.

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jun 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.. ^ This..

Trying to discredit Franks wins over Jackson alone is pretty ridiculous..

Jackson was at the time an undefeated Gold Medalist Olympic Wrestler… Frank tapped him in 16 seconds…And followed that up with one of the best slams in all of MMA to this day smashing Igor and his career in just 22 seconds…

 

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jackson was “undefeated” against who? Lober and Fryklund, 2 guys who were basically complete nobodies at the time. Lober was a HORRIBLE fighter who got his only decent win against who? That’s right, Frank Shamrock, the incredible greatest fighter ever.

Once again, the fact that you are using Jackson to try and add credence to Frank’s career shows alot. We have learned that being an amazing wrestler is a great base to MMA, but doesn’ t mean everything. Jake Rosholt’s credentials are incredible, that doesn’t mean he will ever be more than a top 25 fighter.

This has turned into something I didn’t want…an anti-Frank tyrade. Frank was a very good fighter with some very solid wins, he just was in an era where he couldn’t fight anyone near the level of the guys Fedor, GSP, Anderson, and Nog have fought.

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jun 28, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Frank was a very good fighter with some very solid wins, he just was in an era where he couldn’t fight anyone near the level of the guys Fedor, GSP, Anderson, and Nog have fought.

That’s the basis of this post.. Frank was ahead of his time.. A true pioneer of mixed martial arts.. He was one of the first (Next to Ruas) that integrated all mixed styles simultaneously.. You also know he literally “quit” in the peak of his career and athletic ability"..

This isn’t a post about Frank Shamrock the “greatest ever”.. You’ve missed the point I suppose.. It a post to reflect how good he really was in his prime and how his style has been mimicked by some of the sports top guys today.. For all the great things people say about GSP and his ability…Anderson Silva and his aura of invincibility.. There was Frank Shamrock first.. Not the greatest.. But certainly one of the best of that era and a true pioneer..

Ruas would have spanked Rutten in their primes..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

First, I said Horn and Igor were solid wins, not sure why you brought them up. You saying they are good means nothing since I said the same thing.

As for Jackson, comparing him to Lesnar is silly. Lesnar has now beaten the HW champ (Couture) and the Interim Champ (Mir.). Kevin Jackson beat two fellow near rookies to the sport and never had ANY MMA career to speak of. Was he athletic? Sure, but that doesn’t change the fact that he is pretty much completely irrelevant…other than the fact that he was an Olympian.

I followed Frank in his heyday and probably was one of like 8 people who actually paid for Pancrase on PPV. (Yes, it was available on PPV.) The difference is that history allows us to properly analyze the past. Just as we learned that Royce was a product of his opponents (other than Ken Shamrock), we can look back and see that Frank was largely the same.

Using Kevin Jackson to build up a fighter is just sad and a testament to a weak argument.

IMO, the best fighter of that era…without a doubt…is Bas Rutten.

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jun 28, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact that you or anyone would try to compare the fighters then to the fighters now is one of the big problems here, that was a whole different era for this sport, it just wasn’t at all the same as it is now and looking back on it with comparisons to what we have to day is a real falacy here because of the massive changes in the sport. It’s just not a comparison that makes sense nor is it fair to the guys who pioneered the sport.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t apply the way we look at the sport now to what it was back then, heck this was pre-athletic commission and unified rules. I mean who knows what Igor Zinoviev could of accomplished if Frank hadn’t put him out of the sport. For a guy to have 4 or 5 wins in the sport then was a big deal because it was so young and Frank had 20. It was a completely different world back then (and probably the reason Frank is in such bad physical shape now). Frank’s an arrogant self centered ass but give the man his due in his day there was no one better than him at this sport.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also

at the time, I at least didn’t count Frank’s Pancrase fights as MMA. I respected the hell out of them and watched them, but they were such a completely different rule set.
Back in the day there was no junior circuit to speak of so guys like Igor would just jump right in at the very top levels of the sport. Igor’s fights were all at or near the top of major cards against top shelf opponents. He was a bad, bad man.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea I don’t know if you would count the Pancrase stuff now but I definately did then, it was part of Frank legend at the time.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece Nate

Too bad Frank and Dana can’t get over their differences.

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by 49er16 on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

i see it happening at some point

danas calmed down a little with age, and if he made up with tito he could make up with anyone

franks a true legend who deserves to be a hall of famer

We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!

by milk72 on Jun 28, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see him being more understand now that Frank is retired too...

From a business sense it would be illogical to induct Frank into the hall of fame while he is fighting for another promotion. The bad blood makes it worse, but not that Frank is inactive I am sure it will happen eventually when the dust settles.

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?
danas calmed down a little with age

I hear some bitch named Loretta Hunt disagrees.

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by pdl on Jun 28, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dana White from a 2007 with Sam Caplan:

Q: Frank Shamrock said in a recent interview I did with him that you called to try to get him back into the UFC soon after his win over Cesar Gracie last March. Is that true?

DW: Frank Shamrock is an idiot. Frank Shamrock is a self-promoter who really doesn’t care about anything other than Frank Shamrock.

Q: So it’s not true that you guys contacted him and tried to get him back?

DW: I’ve talked to Frank Shamrock many times. Frank Shamrock will lead you to believe that we’ve never talked and we completely have hated each other forever and everything else. He’s a weird guy. He’s a very, very weird guy. I can’t explain it. Frank is a weird guy.
http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/story/10050687

Yea we always take Dana with a grain of salt but I have a feeling that it’s Frank that keeps them from getting over their differences. He doesn’t like Dana or the UFC and has been very vocal in the past about not wanting to have anything to do with them at all.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

man I really screwed that up… “2007 interview with Sam Caplan”.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it is more of a case where they agree to disagree.

The UFC says “sign away all your rights and we’ll make you rich” and Frank says “my personal business model doesn’t work with that”

by ecost on Jun 28, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not just that they disagree Frank really doesn’t like them or what they do in any way shape or form and is very vocal about it. This isn’t Dana hating Frank or not wanting Frank around this is Frank refusing to have anything to do with the UFC in any way shape or form. Even if they asked him to go into the Hall of Fame I doubt he would say yes, heck he’s more likely to start his own Strikeforce hall of fame and put himself into it than go into the UFC one.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I liked his style, he was moving like a cat. Incredibly athletic fighter.

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by dancingChicken on Jun 28, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd the article...

I enjoyed our talks the other night about this and the other historical figures rarely mentioned about the sport today..

I think it would be neat to do a monthly write-up on historical figures in the sport.. Doesn’t even have to be fighters only..

I think it would help people learn more about the sport and learn the appreciation for what the sport has went through to get where it is today.. People like Tito look silly now, but for all the silly things he says and does.. He’s still an intricate part of the sport’s history..

People only know Fedor as the best.. When the reality is that there were many great competitors available to the sport that would have done just as well if not better if time was on their side.. People forget the Rickson Gracie debate.. Marco Ruas.. Karam Gaber Ibrahim.. Rulon Gardner.. and other’s..

These are just some of the names that people often have overlooked or just aren’t aware of their credintials and ability as competitors.. Some (if not most of them) were passed over by timing.. The sport wasn’t offering enough to sustain their efforts or they grew past their competitive primes as the sport was taking off..

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

good idea

Have you ever seen my “Happy Belated Birthday” posts for Gene LeBell and Helio Gracie?

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No but thanks for the links !! :)

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

For all the talk of Gene choking out Seagal..

I heard that Seagal never fought the choke and let Gene apply it trying to prove the point that he couldn’t be put to sleep..

I also know he shit his pants while sleeping too.. lol

Gene was a true beast in his day !!!

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff. Thanks!

by LiuLang on Jun 28, 2010 10:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I think so, no one ever said the guy doesn’t have a huge ego.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's funny about that is..

Frank in his earlier days was so self conscious (or at least it seemed).. He was forever following in Ken’s footsteps..

Frank was a humble young athlete.. He was fierce and had a drive second to none..

I think what ultimately lead to his own demise was his success.. His success started to change him more and more.. Great fighter that left in his prime because his ego got the best of him…

For all the talk of the F. Shamrock/UFC & Dana fallout.. I believe to this day that Frank’s own ego was the primary cause of the strain in relationship.. Dana can be a dick, but his ego will eventually subside to better business.. Frank just didn’t see it that way I suppose.. And yes.. regardless of what Dana tried to tell you, he has always been a huge F. Shamrock fan.. Thus the reason for wanting Shamrock to come back and compete..

8-29-09

Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome Write Up

Igor was one of my favorite fighters back in the day, and I say in stunned silence for about 20 minutes when I got my tape of the him vs Frank and it ended like it did. I never missed a Frank Shamrock fight, but I also never cheered for him. Wish he would have fought more.

by soxrule!35 on Jun 28, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

you should have seen it live

my buddy looked away and spent the rest of the night going “what the fuck happened?!?”
there was no jumbotron replay back in the day either.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for bringing this featur back!

I have accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as my personal Heavyweight Champion!
Baptized in Coors Light and Jack's Links jerky!!!
Dressed in my heavenly DeathClutch robes!!!

by Worldisart on Jun 28, 2010 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I read this entire article as it was meant to be read: In the voice of Frank Shamrock.

Good read though, lots of great memories.

by DirtyML on Jun 28, 2010 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Also don’t forget, Frank was also the first WEC light heavyweight champion as well.

A prestigious title for sure!

by DirtyML on Jun 28, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice to see this feature back again.

Really good write up Nate.

Frank, in my opinion, was the face of the sport as it made the final transition from spectacle to sport, and more or less brought about the “modern” era of MMA. He brought a more well rounded skill set into the Octagon than anyone else had dreamed of at that point, and as you said, won so many fights in so many different ways that watching his title reign unfold was a real pleasure. Walking away from the sport for so long after the Tito victory was just one of many odd decisions he made that have left his personality over shadowing his career unfortunately. However, say what you will about Frank Shamrock the person or personality, in his prime, he was the best in the world for a period.

Finally, if you can actually remember the 1976 Raiders, I think you need to lose the Kid and just go by Nate. (I keeeed, I keeeed).

Great read…thanks.

by McEwen on Jun 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually think he does a good job as an announcer!!!

His retirement speech was not bad! His braces are a bit of a bummer though. I hate to see middle aged people with braces.

by panamaman on Jun 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

He was a lot better this time. I wonder if was told to tone it down.

He didn’t belittle any oth the fights for their ability or for their accomplishments this time.

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

oops...

any oth = any of

i don’t know what happened there…

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll have a soft spot for Frank. I met him back in 2003 when I was one of those people that thought “Ultimate Fighting” was human cockfighting. I had no clue who he was, but talking to him and Randy Couture, two pretty urbane guys, convinced me that it couldn’t be that bad.

by John Nash on Jun 28, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Such a good series

I hope to see these more often! Time is elapsing faster than these are being posted!

(I know you can’t just post them as they happen, but it’s a safe time to start analyzing early 2000s MMA!)

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by TDITZ on Jun 28, 2010 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

it's true it's true

the “dark ages” have really cramped my style. there are so many key fights from 1998-2001 that just are not documented online anywhere.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

so true

i think i am going to put out call for help researching the key fights.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll offer my services ...

My library isn’t quite as extensive of Snowdens.. But it’s up there.. lol

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

an entire spread sheet
i’ll do a post and we’ll crowdsource this bitch.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good...

Even though it was the dark ages, their were a lot of interesting story lines over that period. The UFC alone had some fun ones.

Kevin Randleman, Pedro Rizzo, Randy Couture, Bas Rutten, Josh Barnett all got involved with the UFC title picture.

Wanderlei had a brief and largely unsuccessful UFC stint (then when banabas in Japan), Tito Ortiz went on his run. Liddell went into Smash mode, and so on.

Meanwhile Overseas…

Coleman, Guy Mezger, Kazushi Sakuraba (esp vs Royce), Wanderlei Silva, Vitor Belfort, Rampage amoung others had big / interesting fights.

I am interested in seeing what is on your list. :)

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm

really stuck on the early independent American MMA scene — there’s a little video from Texas of the early days of Evan Tanner, Heath Herring, etc. But I want to find Josh Barnett winning the massive SuperBrawl HW tourny — it was a who’s who of rising talent at the time.
Anyone have Bobby Hoffman video? The guy was a monster for a while.
Pat Miletich’s pre-UFC wins? Jeremy Horn pre-UFC?
anyway, I’ll get on it and get it done this week.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

awesome!

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

guess it’s been a while since i looked.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries...

You can pay me in smiles and rainbows. :)

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

and hopefully

MMA History posts!

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still want your rainbows if you’ve got em…

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ricco Rodriguez

Is an name that just popped back into my head… He had some good years in that timeframe if I remember correctly.

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ricco was decent...

Part of his downfall was his mental state though.. But during his brief run, he was a solid top HW..

Rizzo vs. Barnett 1 was a great fight too… It looked like Barnett was going to take that one and then Rizzo just kept fighting back and BAM.. on the button !!! lol

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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..

by MMAuthority on Jun 28, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Barnett is a durable dude too…

by truck on Jun 28, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ricco

was in the superbrawl tourny too.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Guys like Ricco Rodriguez and Pedro Rizzo get a bad wrap for what they are today because a lot of guys just weren’t around when they were the big players in the sport. Heck even that big goof Heath Herring was a bad dude in his day and a lot of “fans” just don’t even know about it. Articles like these are a real service to the sport because for so many current fans it didn’t even exist pre-2006.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

bad wrap???? Man I need a cup of coffee

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a great article, I am happy you are educating the fans that never knew about Frank because the bashing of him on message boards lately has been getting very annoying, he is a legend of this sport and deserves respect as he has earned it, he was one of the first well rounded, true mixed martial artists

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Frank must give respect to get it. Have you heard the way he talked about Jake Shields, the SF champion????

Frank claims he is about honor, but how much honor is there in bashing your CHAMPION just because you don’t like his fight style? How is it honorable to publicly hope your MW CHAMPION leaves because you think he is boring?

by Bob Loblaw TX on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

WAR OAKLAND RAIDERS!! BO JACKSON is the reason I love American Football

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Bo was a bit later than the 1976 Ken Stabler Raiders

but he was a great one. so sad when he got hurt.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

That team will always have a place in hell

for beating the Vikings and leaving me with one of my earliest and most traumatic memories from childhood.

by John Nash on Jun 28, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

vinateiri and the rest of the 01 patriots can go to hell and so can gruden and the 2002 bucs

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well if ur a raider fan, the entire nfl can go to hell, haha

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just win, baby

As long as there is a beat in this heart, your team will suck. Good call on JeMarcus The Hutt.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gary Andersen.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He missed on purpose to save you guys the trouble of being embarrassed in yet another Super Bowl by yet another AFC West team.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gary Anderson, not to be confused with Morten Andersen.

by Electro Boy on Jun 28, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know, i wasnt alive when they were first in oakland, i started as a la raider fan watchin bo, i cried when he got injured, i traded my emmit smith rookie card to my brother for worthless raider cards, i guess i misled u with using bo and oakland in the same sentence

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

emmit smith super rookie card, aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

by Hades on Jun 28, 2010 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

1976 was the first year I collected pro football trading cards (I wish I still had those), I was a Steelers fan from the two years before that though.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I still have the 1976 NFL playing cards

I bought that year. Jack “The Assassin” Tatum’s card was my favorite. I was an awful kid!
I haven’t watched football in 10 years, but if ESPN classics is showing some 70s Raiders, Steelers, Cowboys or Dolphins I’m there. The Houston Oilers (RIP) were a lot of fun the next couple of years.
I’m still fucking bitter that the Raiders were robbed of a SuperBowl chance to whip the Dallas Cowboys asses in 77. Bad call took back a touchdown and sent the uber lame Orange Crush Denver Broncos to get creamed by Dallas. Boooo.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't watched football in 10 years?

There is no way I could go that long without watching football.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 28, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed

watching the Troy Aikman/Emmett Smith/Michael Irvin Cowboys come together (especially since I’d always rooted against the Cowboys and all the locals turned on them when their fired Tom Landry) but when I started falling asleep during the games every Sunday, it was time to just cut out the middleman and take an afternoon nap.

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You quit right after Elway won his

That’s a good place to stop

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea ten years without the NFL would be hell on earth. I don’t get to keep up with it like I used to but I do keep up with it every year and always manage to catch the big games.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mom tossed “all that crap in the garage” when I went to college. I didn’t even know the cards had made it too the garage but I was a messy kid.

by who me on Jun 28, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I rec’d this and I wish I could rec it more! This is awesome, I love this site.

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by Bandaka on Jun 28, 2010 1:04 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys are on fire lately. This and Rome’s piece yesterday and Snowdens today are very entertaining and well written.

by Dooda on Jun 28, 2010 1:25 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks man!

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by Kid Nate on Jun 28, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s impossible to convey how thrilling it was to follow Frank Shamrock in his glory days

Amen Nate. And thank you for continuing MMA history. Rec’d.

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by vivero on Jun 28, 2010 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Another great history piece, Nate. You’ve been batting these out of the park.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 28, 2010 11:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the article Nate.Too many people judge Frank on his performances of the past few years,and not what he did in his prime.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 29, 2010 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

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