Today on MMA Nation on 106.7 The Fan: Fedor Emelianenko's Loss to Fabricio Werdum, Strikeforce Results, UFC 116 Preview
by Luke Thomas on Jun 27, 2010 11:15 PM EDT
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Today on MMA Nation we're doing nothing but talking about the major fallout from last night's Strikeforce: Emelianenko vs. Werdum.
- How did Fedor lose from a technical perspective? 50/Fifty BJJ's Seph Smith will call in to explain how Werdum managed to keep guard and lay on the triangle that changed the heavyweight division.
- What's next for Fedor? Should he rematch Werdum? Should there be a fight with Overeem?
- Is the UFC the biggest winner from last night's show?
- We'll also talk the results from last night's show including Le's win over Smith, Cyborg's domination over Finney, Thomson struggling against Healy and more.
- Looking ahead to UFC 116, we'll talk about how the stakes have been raised. This is now a contest for the number one heavyweight ranking in MMA. Will that help UFC promote the show? Will it increase PPV buys?
- We'll also give a complete breakdown of Lesnar vs. Carwin.
And, of course, we are taking YOUR CALLS throughout the entire show. So much to talk about, so get your thoughts in early and often.
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not bad at all
Lesnar would still be a huge draw and they would also have a new undefeated HW champion superstar.
I'm not sure beating Brock would make him a superstar.
Anderson Silva is not a superstar and he is one of the best ever. And I mean that from a business perspective.
It’s A LOT easier to make superstars out of english speaking American heavyweights then it is ornery Brazilians. The UFC hype machine could easily send Carwin’s fame into the stratosphere.
Carwin
wouldn’t be a superstar in a million years. he’s a great fighter and seems like an interesting and intelligent guy, but Shane Carwin as HW champ is a huge come down from Brock Lesnar for the biz aspects
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Shane Carwin is a fantastic fighter,but he has the personality of drywall.Then again,he knocks people out quickly and brutally.It might not matter that he doesn’t cut a great promo.People loved Chuck Liddell,and he was positively God awful on the mike.
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True. Shane would be more popular than if he lost. But unfortunately the nice guy thing can be a bit boring and I don’t think he will be a mega draw unless he stayed undefeated for another dozen fights and built the next “undefeated” rep. (Don’t see that happening though)
Brock will stay a draw regardless of the win, but he cannot keep losing more than winning (and he still has to keep being brock)
Nothing bad about it
If Carwin beats Brock, and if he does it by knockout, you have a guy who is 13-0 and stopped a monster in Brock. He will become a superstar overnight. Also, though his personality may be a lot blander than someone like Brock, were I live a lot of people I speak to like that Carwin comes across like a regular Joe.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I don't think his personality will translate to success
from a business standpoint. A win would be big for him sure but he doesn’t have even a fraction of the charisma and natural showmanship that Brock possesses.
I think it would
A hard working man who loves his family and is just an every day normal guy on top of the world. Isn’t that the American dream?
Yeah, that works great
if it was a movie. Not so much in the fight game. At least, I don’t think so. You could be right though. We might even get to find out.
Stuff like that works is real life as well. Brock will always be the bigger draw because of his WWE past, natural showmanship, and love/hate relationship with fans. But Carwin’s imgage can work just as well, especially if he keeps knocking people out.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Have you heard of GSP?
He has a nice guy personality.
I hear he draws well.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
IMO Brock has a free pass in case he loses, due to long layoff and recovery from illness
by kanodogg on Jun 27, 2010 3:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Haha and Fedor doesn’t get a free pass for only having one loss out of 30?
There are no free passes in MMA, you win, or you lose, no matter who you are or what circumstances.
He's saying that Fedor lost
after a training camp in which he was totally healthy and didn’t have anything going against him. Brock was, from what we are told, deathly ill for quite a long time.
In that case, Rampage gets a pass from being out for a movie, Couture gets a pass for being old and Ken Shamrock gets a pass for being mentally retarded.
apples and oranges dude.
I dont think Brock gets a free pass, but suggesting that time off from the fight game for filming a movie and taking time off for almost dying are equals is beyond ridiculous
Good day, sir!
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think a pass of any kind is ridiculous, so we’ll just have to agree to disagree, especially since it is the fighters choice to agree to fight.
If the fighter isn’t healthy they shouldn’t fight, if the fighter is agreeing to fight even though they don’t feel good, or have “ring rust” ect. it doesn’t matter because when they step into the ring/cage that day they feel they are healthy enough to fight and win.
If Brock loses, there will be no excuse, no pass.
I agree that there is no pass if Brock loses. I am a huge fan of the man. He is the reason I started watching MMA. That being said, barring some offbeat shenanigans, if he loses, I will not making any excuses.
The only thing that I have beef with in what you said is that Brock’s diverticulitis is and any pending octagon related results, are equivalent to taking time of for a movie.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn’t matter what the time off was for, If Brock is as healthy as he says he is, the diverticulitis won’t matter one way or the other.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Actually it does matter
Frank Mir came back from a horrible car accident in which his leg was destroyed and had some lackluster fights. It’s fairly obvious to me that if he would have come back from filming a movie and got lit up by Marcio Cruz and Brandon Vera that things would be very different in the life of Frank Mir today, both in the eyes of the fans and of what I imagine would be his now former employer, the UFC.
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the same
Yes but if you look at the Frank Mir that came back, fat and in horrible shape(plus let’s not forget Mir was always one who was accused of being lazy) and then compare it to how Brock looks and has handled his comeback prep it’s totally different.
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Thats a good point. Conditioning, physical fitness and preperation now in MMA are much improved today vs. 5 years ago so there is that too.
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
From a business perpective?
Pretty bad. Brock is by far their biggest draw. And Brock with the belt is even a bigger draw. Does the UFC still make a lot of money without Brock as champ? Hell yes. But Lesnar with the belt is probably an extra $20 million + to the bottom line.
by John Nash on Jun 27, 2010 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The number is just a wild guestimate, but Brock’s impact on the bottom line is undeniable. Maybe I’ll do a fanpost on it.
by John Nash on Jun 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Go for it.
I was actually thinking the other day about something. The differences in the UFC 87 card and the UFC 100 card. Both were absolutely huge and featured the big two of the UFC. Both cards were a triple headed monster.
UFC 100 – Lesnar vs Mir 2, GSP vs Alves and Henderson vs Bisping
UFC 87 – GSP vs Fitch, Lesnar vs Herring and Florian vs Huerta
87 did like 625,000 buys and 100 did 1.6 million. Every time Brock has fought he has done more buys then the last time.
His impact is even bigger than that. From UFC 67-90 the UFC averaged about 430,000 buys per card, down from the 630,000 they averaged between 60-66. And during this span 2 of the 4 highest ppv had Brock on the card. Coincidence? I don’t think so when the previous two HW title defenses drew 100,000 less buys each than the Sylvia/ Big Nog fight. In addition the UFC’s massive upswing in ppv sales started with UFC 91, the night Brock won the title (91 – 950,000, 92 1 mil +) And continued to surge, breaking records on his first title defense at 100. And is it a coincidence that the slowdown of UFC 106-110 coinsides with Brock falling Ill and possibility leaving mma? And is it a coincidence that after a new Brock match is set that ppv sales surge anew? People pay attention when Brock is in the UFC and that spills over to other cards.
by John Nash on Jun 27, 2010 7:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Brock was one of many superstars injured during that streak. Silva and GSP were also unable to defend.
I attribute at least some of that (and the extra buys that Timmay/Nog pulled) to the cache that The Heavyweight Title carries.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
UFC 81 with Timmay/Nog did 650,000 with the interim belt on the line while UFC 74 & 68 did 540,000 and 5320,000 with Randy Couture defending the actual belt.
UFC 87 did 625,000 buys while 83 did 100,000 less.
This was during a period when the only other time a card reached 600,000 or more buys is when Chuck Liddell was on it. As for the other stars unable to defend, Silva is the one champ who draws well below the title defense average. Not having him fight might have raised that average.
It could set up Lesnar v Mir III
Then if Lesnar wins that, it could set up Lesnar v Carwin II. Both PPVs would go through the roof me thinks.
Lesnar vs Mir 3?
No thanks.
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by RogersPark Kris on Jun 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I would watch it simply for the amazing trash talk……not to mention the inevitable “Who’s the fucking man” ground and pound KO
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
With all the Fedor talk this morning I think everyone forgot about the savage beating Jan Finney took. That female ref should lose her job. I thought Finney qwas going to die on live TV.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
agreed. As big of a story as Fedor legitimately losing for the first time is, that was the worst ref job I have ever seen in MMA. It was very dangerous to Finney. Not only did she let that beating go on far far too long, but asking questions like “Do you want her up” was just got awful. That woman should never be allowed to ref again.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I disagree. I thought the ref did a really good job of treating the two professional fighters in the ring as fighters, and not women in need of special treatment.
To me that fight was a lot like Rothwell and Velasquez. Was it a one sided ass beating? Yep. Was it totally obvious how the fight was going to end? Yep. But the ref’s job is to stop fights once the fighter stops intelligently defending himself, not when it gets too one sided. Finney kept defending herself until the end. The fight shouldn’t have been stopped until then, and if it had been two men in the cage there would not be anywhere near the level of shock at how the ref handled the fight. If Finney wanted out, she could have tapped at any time. She didn’t, and she kept fighting. It would be wrong to stop a fight under those circumstances.
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by toxic on Jun 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Finney was in the fetal position eating punches
That’s not intelligent defense, and the ref AND Janney’s corner should be ashamed of themselves
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I recall the same outrage over the lack of a stoppage when Pete Sell got beaten into oblivion by Matt Brown. Pete Sell and Matt Brown are men. Too much is too much, end of story
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
“Do you want her up?” SHE DOSEN’T SPEAK FUCKING ENGLISH YOU MORON!!!!
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
That was “Hot Tub”-esque.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The funny, actually sad, part is the ref would ask that almost immediately after she was knocked down. It gave Finney absolutely zero chance to have Cyborg come into her guard, if she even would have tried that.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I think I'm on board with this
On rewatch, a lot of Santos was throwing was ineffective, and Finney kept fighting back.
I don’t know that I would have complained if it had been stopped at some point late in round 1, but I think that people are very much overreacting about that element of the fight. One of the editors proclaimed that this was how people die in boxing—that sort of dire event in boxing happens over much longer time frames, with repeated 8-counts and round breaks. People take a Jan Finney level of clobbering more regularly than one might think, just not typically in MMA.
Asking questions in English in the middle of a round to a fighter who doesn’t really speak English? Now that’s some bad reffing.
by capital L on Jun 27, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m with toxic here.
I didn’t think the ref did a bad job at all. The worst I saw was the warning for the back of the head hit. IMO if the other fighter is ducking and causing the shots, then maybe stop the fight at that point.
But I didn’t think the fight needed to be stopped when she was taking a whoopin a couple of times when mounted. She never looked more out of it than she did from the initial shot that wobbled her down. She also still had fight left in her and threw some good shots a couple times later in the fight. She kept defending and fighting until the end.
Plus, lets not forget her corner could have thrown in the towel anytime they thought she was in danger. (And her BF was in her corner)
Male or Female...
if you’re repeatedly getting dropped, offering no offense, going into a shell and taking punch after punch…that is a fight that should be stopped. The ref and her corner (especially her corner) failed miserably.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In MMA there are no knockdowns, you have to finish the fight on the ground and Cyborg didn’t. Big props to Winslow for actually doing her job instead of getting worked by a fighter throwing ineffectual punches in volume.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jun 27, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You should probably watch the fight again, critically this time instead of marking out for arm punches.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jun 27, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I answered the Fedor technical thing
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
I know the answer, too. I trained for years. Still helps to have an expert and professional grappler on the air.
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very true
I’m no pro when it comes to BJJ, the pros just see things way before they happen.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus Seph and 50/50 are awesome, so that helps.
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by Patrick Tenney on Jun 27, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How did Fedor lose from a technical perspective?
Whether it was a bout of “possum” on Werdum’s side or not, Fedor was baited into the gaurd of a dangerous BJJ player, was put in a position in which Fabricio had two submissions on, Fedor had to tap to one of them. Fedor should have stayed standing and kicked the legs but he was overconfident.
What’s next for Fedor? Should he rematch Werdum? Should their be a fight with Overeem?
If Scott Coker is not an idiot, Wedrum will fight Overeem with the winner defending against Fedor. Since Coker is probably an idiot, he will rush to make Fedor/Werdum II and make Alistair, one of the top HW in the world, fight a can.
Is the UFC the biggest winner from last night’s show?
UFC is always a winner, always and they will dominate ratings with their next ppv.
Le’s win over Smith
shrugs
Cyborg’s domination over Finney
Coker needs to do some Japan co-promotion he has been going on and on about, this woman is unstoppable. Either that or Cyborg needs to take Pat Mil’s advice and just start fighting men. That female ref should be immediately fired or forced to be Cyborg’s next opponent.
Lesnar vs. Carwin
I want Carwin to win, but Lesnar will win and Dana will unleash a flame of fury heralding Lesnar a planet eater and viking king of mma.
Last night summed up:
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by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
That should be fun
I think he’ll be in a somewhat decent mood
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
fedor stock through the roof
i can’t help but wonder with all this press if fedors lost last night might not equal out to a win in the long run. his media exposure and his accomplishments before this loss have been brought to the forefront of social media like never before.
if the old homage that “any publicity is good publicity” holds true in this unusual situation then even through a loss fedors stock should rise
i have questioned whether or not fedor is truly as unknown to the casual fan as people like to make him out to be.
numbers don’t lie so i’ll put some numbers out there for ref. purposes
fedor’s wikipedia page is ranked number 385 of the most visited wikipedia pages right now compare that to brock lesnars wikipedia page which ranks number 512 of the most viewed wikipedia pages. both of these numbers are quite impressive considering there are over 2 million wikipedia pages out there but the curiousity of the masses in regards to fedor is made evident by these numbers
i’d also like to show a comparrison graph of randy couture fedor and brock lesnar on google trends which tracks how many times a particular search is made.
google trends randy couture brock lesnar fedor graph and info
this shows exactly how popular fedor is worldwide and if you take a look at the info in regards to where searches are made from it is quite obvious that fedor would be the single largest international draw for a ufc who is absolutely obsessed with world domination.
a key note to remember here is alot of countries like japan are not shown here to government control of the internet. if those numbers were shown the results would be through the roof for fedor.
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions
typos and errors
sorry about the typos and errors
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by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
No, no, no, no
Fedor lost his first fight in nine years last night. I’d expect a surge in traffic.
Now watch it slowly dwindle. The UFC recognizes that Fedor could be marketed into a draw – that’s why they tried their ass off to sign him.
More people saw the skyline of Baghdad in March 2003 than at any time before that. Not exactly a banner time for the Baghdad skyline. Not all publicity is good publicity.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
the wikipedia and google trends numbers only go through the 25th
wikipedia hits fedor day by day june
so the numbers for yesterday and today aren’t even figured into the numbers yet and once they are it’s gonna go WAY UP in the rankings of the most viewed wiki pages
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
baghdad is not a sellable commodity
exposure is a good thing
once the numbers for yesterday and today come in we’ll see a rise in the popularity of fedor the likes of which we’ve never before seen in mma
just wait
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Baghdag smells like human feces, just so you know…
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
And freedom, right? That’s what Bush/Cheney told me
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Human feces is often an early indication of freedom. Shit everywhere……..but it’s the shit of free men.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Frank Shamrock did his own voice over.....how funny is that?
Pain don't hurt...
new york
new york also smells like feces
and piss
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly………..Let freedom ring.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Frank Shamrock did his own voice over.....how funny is that?
Pain don't hurt...
hahaha
i like how this went from wikipedia and google hits
to feces and freedom
awesome
gotta love the random nature of these comments/discussion boards
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
everyone is just burned out from the last 15 hours of Fedor talk.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Frank Shamrock did his own voice over.....how funny is that?
Pain don't hurt...
amen
i’m a through and through fedor fan
a “nut hugger” if you will
but i can totally agree with the fact that the fedor talk is immense
then again i’m one of the people continually talkin about him so i have no room to bitch and moan
by Johnathan Willis on Jun 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Since i’m sure Fedor, Werdum, Brock, and Carwin will be covered, here are some other things I hope you touch on:
1) any comment on how the Strikeforce ZlHW division stands? Noons and Thomson seem to be strong contender status and with possible Bellator or Dream (Aoki, JZ, or Crusher) cross promotion fights, it’s the one division with a lot of good options.
2) have fans actually been underestimating Cung Le? I know Scott smith is not a world beater but he is a decent journeyman that got dominated.
3) what’s the story with Akiyama and Grove’s complaints?
4) what does the Leben/Akiyama fight mean for the MW division? Anything?
by John Nash on Jun 27, 2010 7:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
2) He’s 1-1 against said decent journeyman, and he’s quite old
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Ed Herman would just crush Cung Le.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Considering Le’s best wins are against Frank Shamrock and Scott Smith,one of whom gave him a competitive fight and the other actually beat him,and considering the man is closing in on fourty……..I don’t understand why people still think he’s some sort of world beater.
There’s still people out there that want to see him fight Anderson Silva,for God’s sake.What are these people,sadists?
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Who said he’s a world beater. But people where claiming he was actually no good. That he’d been protected and really couldn’t compete. Destroying Smith seemed to show that he could actually hold his own. Is he going to beat Silva or Sonnen or Hendo? No. But if you can’t get him down a lot of decent mw might find themselves in trouble.
Who said he’s a world beater. But people where claiming he was actually no good. That he’d been protected and really couldn’t compete. Destroying Smith seemed to show that he could actually hold his own. Is he going to beat Silva or Sonnen or Hendo? No. But if you can’t get him down a lot of decent mw might find themselves in trouble.
Many of the fighters in MMA today come from different parts of the world and speak many different languages.
Should refs. be required to learn certain terms or words in different languages to better be able to communicate with the fighters? Words like “Stop” or “Break” or “Stop grabbing the cage” or “Back of the head” etc.
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I would think it would be easier for fighters to learn a few words in one extra language in the place they compete in instead of refs learning ten different languages and remembering the phrase during that quick moment. (Most fighters already know those terms anyhow)
I agree but don’t you have an easier job teaching to a smaller crowd like refs. instead of giving a homework assignment to hundreds of fighters that may or may not take the initiative to do so? Maybe not like dozens of languages but the main ones like Portuguese or German or Japanese? I really can’t vouch though how difficult these are to retain and then bring back during a hectic situation like a fight so you make a good point.
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Luke,how is this a biggest upset than GSP loosing to Matt Serra?Werdum is a quality heavyweight and a Top Ten guy.Serra wasn’t even a real welterweight and was just an average (at best) lightweight who’d never knocked anyone out before.
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I’m guessing it has more to do with Fedor seeming invincible more than who they fought. But who knows.
That’s more fan perception.Matt Serra was never a good welterweight,and if it wasn’t for a reality show,he never would have gotten a title shot in a million years.Werdum is at least a Top Ten heavyweight and quality opposition.
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yea, better quality than Serra I’ll give you. But both won by capitalizing on the other making a mistake and handing them a win by doing something stupid.
GSP didn’t even really make a mistake in that fight,so much as Serra hit him and the wheels just fell off.
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He used the greatest gameplan in combat sports history:
“Hit that guy in the head… really fucking hard!”
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His mistake was standing up with him for any amount of time…see his Hardy gameplan for his new approach.
At the time of the first fight,nobody knew Serra had any kind of standup ability at all.He was known as a BJJ guy.GSP’s game plan was to stand up with Serra and avoid the ground game completley,as he thought Serra’s only chance was on the ground.Then Serra clocked him,GSP freaked out,and that was that.
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Why?Because he threw a high kick at Pete Spratt?A spinning back fist at Shonie Carter?I’m sure that all made GSP’s blood run cold at the time.
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no, i was talking about me…i thought of hiim more as a puncher than BJJ guy b/c i had not seen all of his stuff
He was always a positional grappler who,outside of the TUF show,had only finished one fight in the UFC-a triangle choke on Kelly Dullanty at UFC 36.He was considered a tough guy who could take contenders to a decision,and not much else.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't hear the callers
Luke, are you aware that listeners to the ustream feed can’t hear the audio from the callers? not the ned of the world, but in case you didn’t know…
listen to the feed at 106.7 The Fan site.
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I don't think anyone has ever brought this up before, but
watching the UStream, I can’t hear the callers. Is this normal?
HEY LUKE
I can’t here the callers. What should I do?
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Yeah I was just joking around.
Your stream must be slow.
Thanks for being helpful though :P
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
werdum was definately playing possum though
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Looked more like he just slipped and fell on his ass to me.Worked out in his favor in the end though,for certain.
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Who knows?
But he started falling immediately after Fedor’s second left hook landed on his chin. If he slipped, that’s a pretty big coincidence.
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looked like he got popped back by a punch and then decided to flop on his butt and see if Fedor jumped in
The “oh I’m hurt” butt flop.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ah lol
i thought someone did that last week, I remember Luke saying it was against the rules to act hurt (though I think that is injured, not rocked)
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
No,it’s against the rules to blatantly run away (timidity).
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
agree with u
carwin and lesnar are really the only two heavyweights who weigh in the upper areas of the 265 lb weight class and are actually good
most other heavyweights are in the 235-245 lb range and dont really outweigh fedor by that much, in his career there havent been many fights where size has been a huge issue
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by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the only way I listen.I don’t even waste my time with the UStream.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is he typing to though? It’s not the Ustream chat and it’s not here.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Would be better if Fedor fought three top guys a year lol.
For every Hong Man Choi…we again have to go back to Pride to find a serious opponent.
Out of 34 fights,Fedor faced 6 legit Top Ten heavyweights in his career at the time he faced them-Nogueira,Cro Cop,Tim Syliva,Andre Arlovski,Brett Rodgers,and Fabricio Werdum.The rest of the time,he was fighting guys like Hong Man Choi,Mark Coleman (twice),Mark Hunt,Gary Goodridge,Yuji Nagata,Zuluzinho,ect.
If he fights the Werdums,Cro Cops,Nogueiras of the world fight in and fight out,he looses much earlier and much often.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not interested in arguing about the recent “top fighters” Fedor has fought. I’ve done it countless times. Sorry, but beating Arlovski and Sylvia as the drop like rocks out of the UFC and the Top ten doesn’t impress me.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You totally missed my point.I was saying that he hadn’t consistently faced top fighters most of his career-the majority of the time,he was up against a Mark Coleman or a Mark Hunt instead of a Cro Cop or a Werdum.If that happens,he looses way earlier and much more often in his career.
GSP would never loose if you only matched him up against a Top Ten fighter once every year or two,and the rest of the time he fought Jonathan Goulet and Marcus Davis.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP can do what Fedor did
If GSP can fight 4 top 10 fights over 7 years and then 3 top ten fights in 3 years.
If Fedor fights Nog, Barnett, Crocop, Sergei, Hunt, etc all in a row, he loses MUCH earlier.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions
Was On The Mat with Marc Laimon on EXC?
I only remember it on the old UFCs, but I haven’t rewatched EXC events like I have UFC…
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 27, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok.
The transition from his saying EXC to you mentioning that seemed awkward, kinda implied EXC. Wanted to make sure I was still on the right page. Thanks.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor DID embrace that role
Fedor owns part of M-1, therefore if they accepted it, HE accepted it.
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by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Love it!
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been wondering what to make my first ever sig on here.
That might be the winner right there.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe we’ll get to see one day if he comes to the UFC, I’m sure that’s a fight Randy would like to make
until then…people said the same thing about Werdum
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
true, but i meant in terms of the weight cut
randy has never beaten the people at heavyweight that fedor has, so he had a reason to drop down. fedor should stay at heavy imo.
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You mean people like Tim Sylvia?
I think Fedor has beaten a lot of HWs that are small HWs and many eventually dropped down to LHW in his list of top competition. And Randy definitely fought better opponents more often in both weight classes. I’m not saying Randy would beat Fedor, but I wouldn’t count him out. (He’s also like ten plus years older than fedor)
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Personaly,I favor Carwin slightly.Hard to come back after a year on the shelf and fight at that high of level,not even taking into consideration his health problems.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell if I know what will happen and I like Carwin too. But I’m a brock fan first, so I guess I’ll have to put my eggs in that basket and go down with the ship.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Brock too,but he couldn’t hold down a 220 pound,45 year old Randy Couture.I imagine Carwin is going to be even harder to hold down.And unlike Couture,Carwin is going to be able to really hurt him when they’re on the feet.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy has more skills than Shane in that area I think; but yea, I don’t think he is going to pin Shane down like Mir and just pummel him.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you remember the fight?
When they went to the ground, Brock was trying to trap Couture’s arm with his knee while in mount. It was stupid. Instead of beijng content to look for openings, he tried to trap Couture’s arm. He won’t make that mistake again.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Couture escaped out from under him more than once,actually.At least once from guard/half guard,if I remember correctly.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Carwin came back from a year off and wafflecrushed Mir.
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True.
But Carwin wasn’t out on injury, he was in camps a lot getting ready for fights.
Although I’m not sure Carwin has been in the cage enough total time to develop a cage mastery to result in ring rust.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
You can say
the same thing for Lesnar, if not better.
Lesnar’s only been fighting for a couple years. He hasn’t developed that rhythm of training, camps, fight, rest, etc that a vet has. Brock is still learning. That time that a, let’s say, Rampage Jackson would spend relaxing with his children or what not, Brock is spending learning things in MMA.
Plus, Brock was in camp for 106 for a couple weeks, then got sicker, but he was back in the gym in January (according to Comprido) putting back on the weight.
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And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 28, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Mir is also incredibly fragile.That fight was taylor made for Carwin,stylisticly.This fight is fairly even,even if you don’t count Lesnar being on the shelf.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock's layoff will not affect him like other fighters in the past
He’s not a vetran used to going in and out the cage every few months.
This layoff actually as helped him IMO.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
yea, as a brock fan, I don’t expect to ever see that happen, if it did my head would explode
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
curious if luke and james have thoughts on the potential buyrate for this fight....
…and if the lack of a primetime show will effect that.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
wandy coulda helped, but it should still do great just cause of brock
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Nope.I’d be shocked if it broke 750K.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
There has been very,very little buzz around this event.For shows that do 750K+,the buzz is usually at least 2 weeks out.This?Nobody seems to be all that interested less than a week out.It’s an interesting matchup,but it just doesn’t scream “I have to purchase this!”.It’ll do 600K-700K.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
“Buzz” is one of those meaningless forms of psuedo-analysis that is devoid of any insight or predictive value.
by Hirasawa Yui on Jun 27, 2010 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That was some deep analysis right there.Thanks for sharing.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 28, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
It will do a million
July 4th weekend + Brock Lesnar. I don’t know who it was, but someone said “Lesnar is like fucking catnip for rednecks”
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
At least a million buys.
This card doesn’t even need help from the “casuals” to hit a million. The big time fans who can’t pay for every card have been saving for this one.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 28, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Why is Lytle/Brown so high on this card?
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
If that’s the case they should have put it on the Spike prelims.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 27, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Good show.
Kinda quick to lose the temper. I’ve been working on anger issues my whole life so I understand. It’s a tough battle. I’m not saying that to mock you or anything. I’ve seen you post in other threads that you get upset quick and now I saw that tonight. Really good show though, I’ll be a returning listener for sure.
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 27, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
they talked about the stoppage issue and all that around that fight
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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by Luke Thomas on Jun 27, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s an awesome sig.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
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