Quote of the Day: Fedor Emelianenko Wants a Rematch With Fabricio Werdum
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 8:31 AM EDT
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"I'm really very sorry. It's a pity that I disappointed people who really believed in me and trusted in me, but everything in this life happens for some reason... If God decided it that way, that means that was the best way for this very time. I thank God for everything."
"At the very beginning of the round, I hit Fabricio, and I wanted to finish as soon as possible. At that very moment, I made a mistake... At the very moment when I had to escape, I stopped. I didn't do that, and that moment was used by Fabricio to finish his lock."
"I try to work out so that to come up to the fight in my best shape. The fight showed that maybe I didn't work enough. Maybe I didn't work a lot somewhere, and I didn't manage to make all my technique become automatic. That means I will have to work more... My health, I'm in very good condition. I feel myself very, very good. I will have one more fight here. I will be continuing... Certainly I would like to have a rematch with Fabricio. If he agrees, I would love to do that."
"The one who doesn't fall doesn't stand up. It happens that I was made kind of an idol. Everybody loses. That happens. I'm a normal human being, as are all of us. If it is God's will, the next fight I'll win... No pressure at all. There is some relief because tomorrow I will go back home."
--Fedor Emelianenko, the long time #1 ranked heavyweight, talked about his first career loss. He remained positive, kept his calm and humble demeanor, and was gracious even in defeat -- a pretty interesting contrast to some of his supporters.
...and to note, Fedor said that it was the choke that made him tap, not the armbar.
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It was the choke but it still took TWO submissions at once to make him tap lol.
I kind of laughed though watching replays, he had no idea how to tap.
H'e surely out of practice at tapping....
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he didnt panic
he tapped once! that was the most calm and relaxed tap in mma history, he’s still the best in defeat
zero interest in seeing a rematch so soon
also, fedor ripped off his postfight “we fall down so we cam stand up” line from batman begins
by kanodogg on Jun 27, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Your ignorance astonishes me!
Bro…. that line has been around since Christ was a fucking infant. I’m pretty sure the hermit from Russia is not using lines from Christian Bale.
Wrong
Fedor sat next to me at the Batman Begins premier and I saw him smile and write that down in a tiny quotes notebook.
by Zou want a piece? on Jun 27, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
lololol
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Jun 27, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
the internet has been 10x more serious since Fedor lost...
isn’t that one of the signs that the internet will explode soon?
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not unusual
to have that reaction
by argyle on Jun 27, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
your lack of a sense of humor astonishes me
by kanodogg on Jun 27, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A rematch after losing a minute into the first round?
That’s just crazy. Werdum earned a shot at a belt.
He needs to fight somebody more like…. Wait, is there anybody left in the Strikeforce heavyweight division for him? Bigfoot I guess.
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by jemaleddin on Jun 27, 2010 8:54 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yea it does seem odd
If they gave him the rematch but I dont see him losing to Werdum again….ever He takes the rematch 10 out of 10 times, but Werdum did earn the title shot with Overeem so I dunno..
by TennesseeTopTeam on Jun 27, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd be okay with a shot at winner of Werdum/Reem if he gets by Bigfoot
(since there’s nobody else), but I don’t think he’s going to do more than 3 fights with Strikeforce, so that’s out.
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No, Werdum is the rightful next challenger for Overeem
And that should be the right match to make now. Rematches can wait
That's what I'm saying.
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I'd rematch him with Arlovski personally...
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
arlovski is also not "done" as some say, hes still capable, just had some tough fights
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
I think that mentally, he’s done
by kanodogg on Jun 27, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Werdum beat Antonio Silva in Strikeforce. It was his previous fight before fighting Fedor. Why not have Overeem vs Werdum?
That's what I'm saying.
I’m saying Fedor shouldn’t get a rematch against Werdum.
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Rematch
Overeem won’t be happy.
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Jun 27, 2010 9:14 AM EDT reply actions
I think Strikeforce will put Werdum vs Overeem, then Fedor just faces the winner.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
that makes alot of sense, and creates 2 compelling fights, SF will therefore never do it. I thought it was written into sf contracts that the loser of a fedor fight gets a title shot
by kanodogg on Jun 27, 2010 9:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
good call
Facts don't come with points of view.
by Robert Livingston on Jun 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I would HOPE that is how they do it, especially since werdum has beat overeem
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
Thanks
for note on armbar vs choke, it was contested on this site last night. I personally was of the choke camp due to the color of Fedor’s head at the time of the tap, but I’m sure I will be educated with a historical Judo Chop showing how the myth of the undefeated MMA champion was finally shattered.
I thought it was the choke also.
but I got easily convinced by the people saying otherwise. haha.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
If you watch the replay, you can see that the pressure on the arm gets lessened just before Fedor taps. His head, however, starts to go a deeper shade of purple. Also a clue – once Werdum let him go, Fedor doesn’t grab at his arm to rub it, he just takes a deep breath.
This.
The armbar gets a little lax at the very end. If you look closely, Fedor’s arm is bent slightly in. HIs head, on the other hand, looks like grape drank.
by Applejack McNeil on Jun 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Water, sugar and…
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by fedorade on Jun 27, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
my bad
I am too busy writing the posts to really watch the fights closely the first time!
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“myth of the undefeated MMA champion”
it wasn’t really a myth. I mean, the guy hadn’t lost in 10 years.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
No they are myths
because with time, they are dispelled. Carwain will get the mythical status next because his “man hands” are something Brock can’t simulate. Randy pushed Brock into the cage, what can Carwain do to Brock against the cage…. But that’s a different argument.
My point is that in MMA there is simply too much chance. Not as much as say poker, but lots more than boxing, basketball, football, etc. Watching the World Cup, I would put soccer as MMA’s closest peer of the major sports.
There will be no more decade-long undefeated streaks. The myth of the undefeated MMA champion died last night. It was inevitable.
Not interested in Rematch
As a fan, it doesn’t do much for me but try to recapture the Fedor legend. Here is the problem, Werdum while an excellent BJJ artist, isn’t a multi-faceted fighter. HW is the one division where single skill-sets can still survive, but really wrestling is the only single skill set that one can survive on in the top 10.
Werdum is a poor man’s Frank Mir, not as good in the stand-up, but so strong and skilled on the ground he will always be a threat, but never full on threat to contenders because he has a big hole in his game.
Fedor accepted the fight in the one place he shouldn’t have gone. Can Fedor avoid that mistake next time? Sure. Will that lead to a Fedor victory? Sure. Will it tell us anything about Fedor’s future? No.
The thing is Fedor’s mystic was that of the undefeated. He never “got caught” like everybody else. He never was the victim of a his own bad game plan, a poorly timed slip, a “lucky punch” etc. until now. The myth has been broken. The rematch will make his fans feel better, but it will tell us nothing.
by pwrcartel on Jun 27, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Demian Maia is heavyweight?
by kanginator10 on Jun 27, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
Nor is he a threat to the title because, well his stand-up is three levels below the top of the division. You can’t be that weak in one area any more.
MMA started as a specialists game, now its its more strategic. Find your opponents weakest part of their game and take the fight into that area. The less weaknesses you have, the more options you have.
Leites got a title shot as well and he isn’t a threat to the title either.
fedor isnt too smart or is he?
thats what amazes me about fedor, he finds his opponent’s strength and tries to fight against it. i just went back and watched the fedor/big nog fights. fedor escaped over a dozen sub attempts while never trying to stand it up. i think he felt this fight would be similar but it wasnt. still cant believe, its pretty numbing. fedor will always attack, he got magic tricked lol
I thought part of Fedor’s “mystique” was that he was a damn good fighter.
Doesn’t mean anything that he lost to me. Props to Werdum for not being phased by the aura of Fedor and capitalizing on the mistake.
He beat Fedor the way Fedor usually beats most of his opponents.
Fedor is a damn good fighter
but his mystique is that he never made mistakes like every other fighter, at least not mistakes that cost him a fight.
While giving all the credit to Werdum for executing a perfect game plan, if that wasn’t the Last Emperor in their last night what would the review of his performance be? He looked like a rookie, diving into the dry guard of a BJJ world champ who is bigger, stronger, and longer than Fedor. He made a rookie mistake.
Rookie mistakes cause one to lose their mystique. Doesn’t make them a bad fighter, just not mythical anymore. A rematch is aimed at protecting the legend, the myth. I’m more interested in how Fedor would fare against Big Foot (as he is really the only SF option unless they want to do the whole title shot for a guy coming off a loss again) as it would tell me more about where Fedor the fighter stands in the modern area vs. his 10-year undefeated streak tells me.
This is factually incorrect
People harped on his ability to recover from mistakes and precarious situations a whole lot. That was in and of itself a large part of his mystique.
Nope
Mystiques aren’t facts, thus a description of a mystique can’t be factually incorrect.
My point was Fedor’s mistakes didn’t cost him the way similar mistakes cost every other fighter. That was lost last night.
by pwrcartel on Jun 27, 2010 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ just saying that people made a lot of talking about his recovery abilities. There was this whole contextual thing about how his seeming vulnerabilities made him compelling. I suppose it could be the case that him being mistake-free was the mystique for somebody, but I’d hardly consider that to have been the beginning and end of the deal
Werdum is a poor man’s Frank Mir
I can’t get with this. The one thing you can say Mir has on Werdum is standing power, but I think Werdum is better on the ground, and career vs. career, Werdum has the edge.
I think Mir’s two most impressive wins (Sylvia and Nog) were better than Werdum’s (Gonzaga and Vera)… going into last night.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 28, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so, but that’s just considering wins (I don’t know that I would take Sylvia over Gonzaga, or say that Vera is a more impressive win than that other Emelianenko or an early heavyweight Overeem who had just beaten Sergei Kharitonov, but I’ll set that aside).
What about losses? Werdum has the bad loss to an unheralded JDS, but Mir has losses to Ian Freeman, Pe de Pano (in his second pro bout!), Vera (who, let’s face it, never amounted to much at heavy), and Carwin, whose only other notable win at the time was over Gonzaga, who Werdum had just beaten.
Fedor needs to move to 205!!!!!
He won’t beat Overeem, Carwin, Lesnar nor any others that weigh 265!!!! Bummer of a fight last night. This loss is compounded by the fact that now his oppenents will see him as beatable which was not the case prior. His aura is gone! BTW, I am a huge Fedor fan.
If he moved to 205
He’d most definitely lose his speed advantage that made him so good against heavyweights.
Do you think Fedor is quicker than Lesnar or Velasquez??
He wasn’t quicker than Randelman! Fedor was a skilled but lucky fighter! He wouldn’t beat Lesnar, Carwin, Overeem or Velasquez! At 205 he could at least compete! Remember I am a huge Fedor fan11
DOES THIS HAPPEN TO EVERY MMMA FIGHTER...yes!
WTF! is the big deal WOW he lost……by submission! its not like the guy got his ass kicked! lol its not like he got KO….his happens once or twice to evrery MMA fighter in the world. It happened to SPIDER it happened to BROCK its happened to GSP need i say more!? the guy hasnt lost a step the guy isnt weaker than usual…he just got submitted Big Effin Deal he will be back…..on the other hand i still dont think he can be UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION lol
by KO INTERNET THUGS on Jun 27, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions
I think
getting chocked out near the beginning of the first round is part of the definition of getting your ass kicked. Just because he didn’t get Ko’d doesn’t mean he didn’t ass kicked. Your logic eludes me.
by proflex on Jun 27, 2010 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It is a big deal
If you can’t wrap your head around why perhaps you should seek some remedial education.
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I am not impressed
by his Captain Morgan performance.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is that a fucking BLACK VELVET SUIT?
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by hardlyworking on Jun 27, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
TRUE
maybe thatll get him over to yhr UFC…but in the UFC he should fight LHW cus i dont see him fighting 265 pounders with actual skills
by KO INTERNET THUGS on Jun 27, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
DOES THIS HAPPEN TO EVERY MMMA FIGHTER…yes! WTF! is the big deal WOW he lost……by submission! its not like the guy got his ass kicked! lol its not like he got KO….his happens once or twice to evrery MMA fighter in the world. It happened to SPIDER it happened to BROCK its happened to GSP need i say more!? the guy hasnt lost a step the guy isnt weaker than usual…he just got submitted Big Effin Deal he will be back…..on the other hand i still dont think he can be UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION lol
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thanks for copying and pasting my comment..
thanks for the 2nd repost buddy
by KO INTERNET THUGS on Jun 27, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
4th
You copied and pasted it a few times.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
DOES THIS HAPPEN TO EVERY MMMA FIGHTER…yes! WTF! is the big deal WOW he lost……by submission! its not like the guy got his ass kicked! lol its not like he got KO….his happens once or twice to evrery MMA fighter in the world. It happened to SPIDER it happened to BROCK its happened to GSP need i say more!? the guy hasnt lost a step the guy isnt weaker than usual…he just got submitted Big Effin Deal he will be back…..on the other hand i still dont think he can be UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION lol
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lmfao
well im glad every1 likes it! lol
by KO INTERNET THUGS on Jun 27, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't
think everyone is laughing with you on this one.
They're laughing with me, Michael.
They’re laughing with me!
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
by Sabate on Jun 27, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm almost
scared to ask. What the hell is that? A banana picked up by one of those arcade claw machines?
Man in a banana suit and a construction crane.
But you don’t know how close to the mark you came.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
Epically close. rec for Arrested Development gif.
by The Darkness on Jun 27, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Way to spoil it!
"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis
DOES THIS HAPPEN TO EVERY MMMA FIGHTER…yes! WTF! is the big deal WOW he lost……by submission! its not like the guy got his ass kicked! lol its not like he got KO….his happens once or twice to evrery MMA fighter in the world. It happened to SPIDER it happened to BROCK its happened to GSP need i say more!? the guy hasnt lost a step the guy isnt weaker than usual…he just got submitted Big Effin Deal he will be back…..on the other hand i still dont think he can be UFC HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION lol
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
Seriously, we all need to just make that our sig line
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dana...
should have allowed him to wear tapout gear.
that’s irony
by silent.bisonte33 on Jun 27, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
atleast he was able to represent the brand using sign language. Zuffa cant stop that.
by mmalogic on Jun 27, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see what you did there...
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by dancingChicken on Jun 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Quote of the FUCKING DAY!
atleast he was able to represent the brand using sign language. Zuffa cant stop that.
Logic is like the girl who is always a bitch, but its her birthday today so she’s in the greatest mood ever and is the life of the party…
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by MMArazorback on Jun 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
A submission loss is no where near as bad as KO.
From what i saw Fedor made the mistake of going back into Werdum’s guard after escaping it the first time.No doubt he will show him more respect next time.
Werdum is sick with those subs though.
This logic
is absurd at best. did Fedor not lose? Did he not lose within the first two minutes? How is this not as “bad” as a KO? I’m astounded.
That’s probably because you’re not that bright,or a Fedor hater,or probably both.
by Matt Mosley on Jun 27, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Matt
Fabricio didn’t knock Fedor out, he made him voluntarily concede defeat…..in one minute, nine seconds.
It wasn’t a “lucky” punch, it was pure skill.
Maybe it wasn’t quite as bad as getting Zulu’d, but it’s still bad.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, Fedor walked into a trap. He had a chance to get away, and didn’t take it because, unlike the new trumpeted “Best Fighters Ever” he takes the best his opponents have and wanted to prove a point. An ass kicking is what he did to Sylvia, what Noguiera did to Schilt, what Anderson Silva did to Forrest, etc. When you have a chance to get out of your opponent’s only move, choose not to, and lose the bet, it may be ill-advised. It may be stupid. But it certainly isn’t an ass-kicking.
He gave an extremely classy post-fight interview that put both his defenders AND his detractors to shame. A pity the sport doesn’t have more like him; just cowards, braggarts and parasites.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, Fedor walked into a trap. He had a chance to get away, and didn’t take it because, unlike the new trumpeted "Best Fighters Ever" he takes the best his opponents have and wanted to prove a point. An ass kicking is what he did to Sylvia, what Noguiera did to Schilt, what Anderson Silva did to Forrest, etc. When you have a chance to get out of your opponent’s only move, choose not to, and lose the bet, it may be ill-advised. It may be stupid. But it certainly isn’t an ass-kicking.
This is garbage. Fedor didn’t get out because he couldn’t get out. He didn’t just stick his neck out and give Werdum the triangle, Werdum took it against Fedor’s will.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
u do have to agree though that fedor was wreckless with where the fight took place, give him sme credit that he was willing to follow a guy to his strongest position, i guess he felt confidence anywhere and i respect that, ur right that was taken against his will but i think it was more a lack of respect than a lack of technique, i swear if that fight happened a million times again, that result would never happen again, it took a true anomaly, if u will, to take out the last emp
War Fedor!! (that would make a good tat)
He did OK against Big Nog though didn’t he?
Look,i like watching Fedor but i’m not a fanboy with a blinkered view.I just like MMA in general but what happened last night was a shock to everyone so obviously people are going to look for reasons why it happened.
Check Werdum’s record…Then check Fedor’s.
by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
you're so wrong
it’s almost scary, I am in fact quite bright, and I don’t care about Fedor either way, I’m just confused to why people say tapping in just over a minute isn’t as bad as a KO. Don’t you think giving up is just as bad? It’s something you have control over, you don’t have to tap. Getting KO’d is something you have no control over, so I would think tapping would actually be worse.
Perhaps because getting knocked out often takes a rather serious physical and mental toll on a fighter, especially the first time. This does not seem to be the case with getting subbed.
still causes mental damage to the fight when he gets taped that quickly. Now a place Fedor thought was his home was his undoing. The effect it could have is as follows.
1. lack of confidence could lead to hesitation when going for a technique
2. a place Fedor feels comfortable may now make him weary on the ground and thus him not liking being there
3. over thinking ever transition, sub attempt etc while he is on the ground.
All mental damage just not as appearent as it is in the stand up.
Those could all be true, or they might not
But empirically, getting knocked out is worse for a fighters career than getting submitted. The psychological effects of losing are difficult to gauge, but it’s difficult to argue against the sheer physical nature of getting knocked unconscious.
but many see getting tagged as just that, i got caught other wise i was doing fine. The only difference in the mental damage of a ko and a sub is that with the KO it is easier to see as the fighter losses his will to exchange and fights very careful and seems to stick to the outside of the other fighters range and jump in with one punch insted of combos.
Tim is the extreme examle because he got his arm broke but that dude has never fully recovered from that arm bar. In the fight with Nog he did not reconize an obvious bait and when he went fr the back door escape the choke was waiting. Or when he fought Fedor the guy was tapping even before Fedor was able to secure the choke properly. Being subbed is a helpless feeling. Your on the ground and a guy has your arm and really its up to him if he breaks it or not, and there isn’t a god damn thing that you can do but hope he does the right thing when you tap.
No it’s not.You could suffer serious injury which could jepordise your whole career.
What?Like you or 99% of the population wouldn’t tap as opposed to getting their arm snapped or ripped out of the socket.
What happened to Tim Sylvia is pretty rare and only a dummy would refuse to tap just to show how tough he is.Sylvia does look pretty dumb so i’m not suprised.
It is ridiculous to say a tap is worse for a fighter’s career than a KO.
You just sound like you don’t like Fedor.
Watch him come back and wreck Werdum.
by Matt Mosley on Jun 28, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's worked for us BROCKLESNAR fans since the first Mir fight, though...
He got caught! He got caught! Doesn’t count!
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by duck on Jun 27, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
he lost in 69 seconds.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
I didn't realize
That Ls on a fighters record were measured differently. Last I checked a loss is a loss is a loss.
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I did
It’s called revisionist bullshit. It doesn’t matter how he lost other than it was a clear defeat. You’re making excuses and trying to minimize this defeat. You’re trying to diminish Werdum’s big moment by qualifying his victory. “It was just a sub, not like it was a KO” that’s bullshit rationalizing. A submission victory weighs just as heavily as a knock out victory and trying to paint it in another light reeks of sour grapes.
See above? Yeah, I did and I saw a bunch of BS.
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I wasn’t making excuses for Fedor.I was just trying to say that he can come back from this easier than he could a KO.
I also gave Werdum credit for the sick subs but in the end i stand by what i said,Fedor fought the wrong fight and Werdum made him pay.
Maybe Werdum would have won anyway.Hopefully we will find in a rematch.
And what i meant by that ( in case anyone misunderstands) is that maybe Werdum beats him whereever the fights goes,standing or to the floor.
I don’t see him beating Fedor standing but i thendidn’t see this happening either. :)
Well,Fedor’s never even been stunned badly so i would be extremely suprised to see him KO’d,especially by someone with only 4 KO’s in 19 fights.
I don’y think your point makes much sense in relation to Fedor vs. Werdum.
Ok
so he has been rocked in the past.He is the type to take a few to land his own.He hasn’t been hurt many times though especially considering these are big guys wearing 4 oz gloves.
I’m just watching Pride 26 at the moment as it happens. :)
He remained positive, kept his calm and humble demeanor, and was gracious even in defeat — a pretty interesting contrast to some of his supporters.
Gimme a break, and what about his detractors squealing like pigs in celebration after his first loss?
then it is also a "pretty interesting contrast" to that.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
so you want to compare the reaction of a person who lost, to the reactions of people who wanted him to lose… Kinda dumb to bring it up if you ask me… of course that’s going to be different.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
No, its kind of a nonsensical, subjective jab to include your generalization of his supporter’s reaction in your piece in the first place.
I was talking about this, plus the fans.
why is it nonsensical again to mention that the guy who lost is a lot happier and calmer than everyone else?
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Because he won’t have legions of people worshiping him 24/7 and he can do his thing and be left alone.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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“duh” and “zzzzzz…”
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seriously though, what’s your beef? I just said that for a guy who has gone unbeaten for a decade, he is taking this a lot better than most of the people. That’s nonsensical? jeez internet. lighten up.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Because you didn’t say everyone else. You only threw stones at his supporters, and not the jockstraps who have been wishing for him to lose for unclear reasons. An unclassy remark is an unclassy remark, regardless of the source or the motives.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I was downright giddy when Werdum locked that triangle.
Giddy I tell you!
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
I wasn’t squealing in delight because Fedor lost, I was squealing in delight because all of Fedor’s parasites are out of work, and the Pax Zuffa is about to set in.
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by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
When I watch a fight, I never think about the managers or promoters or anything like that. I think about the fight and the fighters. I may be in the minority of BE posters, but I just enjoyed the fight and didn’t even think about “What this means for M1” until it was brought up on here.
no shit
leave the business to them and just enjoy the fights.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares, it's over....
I'm a lover not a fighter
by spectaa on Jun 27, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And this is how I'm going to think of every Fedor-nuthugger FOREVER.
And I say this as a Fedor fan.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
I just watched the fight, I’m going to feel like this for some time. I don’t really know about the nuthuggers, I’m getting good at ignoring fanboys lately thanks to you guys.
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For intelligent fans, as opposed to fanboys, Fedor’s perspective and character are an uplifting class act.
by bleve_ on Jun 27, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed.
Though this fight pretty much shoots holes in his theory that he could train in Stary Oskal and keep his skills sharp enough to be the #1 guy in the world.
Or it makes him seem like he was very over-confident. Neither of which sound like something his fanboys want to hear.
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To me it was one of those mistakes that Fedor himself refers to about himself. Pretty sure his camp knows about triangles… he’s just slipped out of them so many times that he got careless. I wouldn’t call it over confidence but definitely careless.
Right...
the thing is, does his camp have guys around who are anywhere near Werdum in BJJ? It’s not like training at a major american camp where you have guys who can duplicate skill sets..etc.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
there’s only a few guys that size with Fabricio’s no-grappling.
Napao, Roger, Monson, Pe de Pano………
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't know anyone
that can duplicate Werdum’s guard. IMO he’s got by far the best guard in top level BJJ competition at heavyweight. Roger Gracie might be up there with him, but Roger is considerably smaller than Werdum.
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Which is why nobody with any sense would just dive into his guard.
Fedor just fought reckless and it cost him.
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I am scared to think....
How good Fedor would be with one of the quality camps the top guys in the UFC go through.
Fedor’s death might be his tradition.
as a fedor nuthugger...i dont feel as bad he lost to world class bjj
I am relieved he finally lost and i am relieved he lost to a bjj expert (hats off to werdum) (I still thinks he beats werdum 9 out of 10 times just as gsp beats serra 9 out of 10). I used to suffer from cardiac arrest watching his fights but now i can watch in an unemotional calm.
I would have felt embarrassed for fedor if he lost to a clown or to a fighter like brett rodgers but not werdum.
IMO this defeat will inspire fedor to improve and clean up his game. His next couple fights will show how much of a talented/championship caliber fighter he is. I will remain on fedor’s nuts until he starts losing to clowns and/or until he stops washing them.
by oousty on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
called werdum by triangle two days ago
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by Austin Martin on Jun 27, 2010 10:31 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Called it too (unspecified choke though), and I feel kind of a big deal…
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by dancingChicken on Jun 27, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would the UFC want him?
He just lost to a UFC reject and hasn’t beaten anyone since the late 90s.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sigh…..his last 4 fights were all against top 10 guys at the time.
by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 27, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
…and to note, Fedor said that it was the choke that made him tap, not the armbar.
Take THAT, Gus!
Gus actually did a pretty good job all night surprisingly, until he said that Fedor tapped out due to an armbar.
lots of people thought it ended by armbar.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Really..
Yeah I didn’t spend too much time online last night, I was too busy rubbing it in to all my friends that I CALLED IT. They were all laughing at me for having Werdum winning it, but we could all see that it was the choke because the arm wasn’t being pulled very hard..
I was thinking the same thing.
but I got easily convinced by people who said it was by armbar cause I was too busy staying in HOLY SHIT mode.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
BJ Penn vs. Frankie Edgar syndrome
“We’re glad you won and all, but we really would like the other guy to win!”
Announcers last night: “Whoever wins this match will face the champ Alistair Overeem.”
Werdum wins
Coker: “I think an immediate rematch is in order.”
by William Wilson on Jun 27, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
Alistair Overeem's face was hysterical
He looked genuinely surprised, and in a good way.
I hope this
doesn’t become a trend. Face it, you lost, back of the line for you. Oh wait, you’re Fedor, or you lost to a “controversial” decision, ok, you get another crack at it. Doesn’t this detract from the guy who actually won the fight.
Well, unless you’re Frankie Edgar and completely unmarketable. Then it doesn’t detract at all.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
definitely a douche move. Especially since Werdum has now schooled both Fedor and Alistair.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Scott Coker's mentality
Just keep doing the match over and over until you get the result you want.
Why do you think we got a Scott Smith/Cung Le rematch?
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by Worldisart on Jun 27, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Commenting on BE post Fedor loss
is like walking through an unmarked minefield. Jesus!
by John Lamb on Jun 27, 2010 11:40 AM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Now, imagine what's going on in Sherdog.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I refuse to even look
It would be the commentary equivalent of a chorus of Vuvuzelas.
by lolumad on Jun 27, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
That’s the greatest thing I’ve ever read.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Subject line
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by CasualMMAFan on Jun 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
second major SF event in a row
DW gets everything he wants on a silver platter
UFC castaway submits Fedor
he and the Fertittas will have boners for the next week
You must defeat me to stand a chance.
Well, at least until Carwin beats Lesnar and they have to market an intransigent 35 year old engineer.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The UFC will have zero problem marketing a guy who never gets out of the first round and knocks people out left and right, plus he’s also undefeated either way they win again.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Jun 27, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
that is so stupid
if fedor had won, strikeforce cant provide the competition…fedor loses, and SF loses out to the UFC because they no longer have the top HW for the ONE fight contract….
face it, strikeforce put on a good night of fights, including one that got fedor beat…the competition is there, its just not hyped like in the UFC where you can lose all you want as long as you are over 35
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
forever they will show fedor getting choked out by werdum...and it will show the strikeforce cage.
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
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