Winners and Losers Following Fabricio Werdum's Upset Over Fedor Emelianenko
by Mike Fagan on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT
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Fabricio Werdum made Fedor Emelianenko tap to a triangle armbar. Neither's career will be the same from here out. But tonight's main event didn't just affect the two participants. Let's run down the list.
1. Fedor Emelianenko - The big one. As Luke Skywalker told the Emperor in Return of the Jedi, it was Fedor's overconfidence that proved to be his weakness. The Russian paid no caution to Werdum's guard and paid the biggest price possible. When Fedor begrudgingly tapped, he lost the aura that made him so appealing to the MMA fan base. He's no longer FEDOR, but simply Fedor.
2. Fabricio Werdum - Well, someone's stock just shot up. I suspect Werdum will be ranked somewhere between 2 and 4, depending on how you view the winner/loser of Lesnar/Carwin and Cain Velasquez. Strikeforce may ask Werdum to take a rematch with Fedor, but the smart play is a rematch and title fight with...
3. Alistair Overeem - The Demolition Man just took a very long flight from Holland. He's not gonna get the chance to be the guy to beat Fedor. He'll get a chance to avenge a loss to Werdum as long as the next person on our list doesn't try to "make things right" for Fedor.
4. Scott Coker - There's so many questions for Strikefore right now. Unless there was an automatic rematch clause in the bout agreement, I believe Coker has to make the Werdum/Overeem fight. It kills any chance of Strikeforce entering the PPV market, but a second Fedor/Werdum fight won't exactly light up the buyrate either. While I can understand the temptation to try to "make things right" for Fedor, it would be an extremely hard sell to me for Coker to ask Werdum to fight Fedor again, instead of getting a title shot he deserves (as little as a Strikeforce title belt means). And if he does go with the logical Werdum/Overeem fight, who does Fedor get next? Josh Barnett? Antonio Silva? Can he renegotiate? Can he recognize sunk costs and cut him? So many questions...
5. Vadim Finkelstein - Biggest loser on this list. Vadim and M-1 Global simply bit the curb on this one. Yeah, Fedor lost, but he'll bounce back. Or he'll retire. As an individual, Fedor will be fine. M-1 Global, however, just took a serious punch to the gut. Their biggest bargaining chip is no longer the number one fighter in the world. He became "just another heavyweight". It will be very interesting to see how they handle this.
6. Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin - Someone's about to be crowned the undisputed heavyweight king next week. My money's on Brock, but either guy will be able to call himself the baddest man on the planet with a win next week.
7. Dana White - Dana's tweet following the fight (":D") pretty much sums it up.
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They would flatten him out and KO him with chest to chest punches.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
Goldberg: “You know, Brock wants to stay chest on chest with Fedor.”
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 27, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe:
Brock appears to be uh… holding Fedor’s arm and punching him in the face…
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Joe:
Armbar!!! Oh, he lost it…..TRIANGLE! FEDOR’S CAUGHT IN A TRIANGLE! THAT’S A WRAP SON!……FEDOR TAPS! OH MY GOD! OH MY GOD! I DON’T BELIEVE IT! THAT IS THEEEEE CRAAAAAAAZIEST THING I’VE EVER SEEN!
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 27, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
rogan is the shit
best commentator in mma bar none
by Disco1Stu on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
It’s not saying much. He doesn’t have much competition.
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now that Frank has hung up the gloves he does!
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That is one doofy looking mother fucker.
This my 4th account. Dont ban me bro!!!
by K1Noob on Jun 27, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
…I think that could have been fighter bashing, 5 hours ago…doofy, but beautiful teeth
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
rec for "doofy"
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
Jimmy Smith is extremely knowledgeable. Big fan of him and Bellator
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Me too...
I am sure Jimmy learned a lot through Fight Quest.
Top notch. He will put his cohort in his place when he needs to and and he gives the most rational fair breakdown of scoring IMO
Not really...
on the scoring side of things he gives way too much weight to takedowns and top position. A single takedown to him outweighs everything else done throughout the round.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
But I should point out...
that he is a very good announcer.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I just like how he will say...
I scored it this way, but the judges may have gone this way. He doesn’t get fans thinking a fight is more one sided than it actually is very often.
You forgot...
OMG IT’S IN DEEEEEP!
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
scissor me
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wanna hear soemthing really crazy?
Fabricio Werdum just choked out Fedor in 1:01
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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1:09
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
brock is a college champion wrestler
its just as possible
by Richard Doughty on Jun 27, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Brock by rape choke.
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I would like to take this solemn and dignified moment to direct a message at M-1:
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!!!!
You could have made a bajillion dollars with the UFC, but look at you now.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 12:51 AM EDT reply actions 21 recs
Losing the Lesnar-Fedor match is depressing as fuck, regardless of how I feel now that it’s all over. That was the big heavyweight title fight that would have gotten more attention than any past fight in MMA, and probably for years and years to come.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Here is a list of all the places the fight is being broadcast
Broadcast/Cable (Free Television): Russia (RENTV – tape delay), China (GDTV), South Africa (Fox), Portugal (Fox), Sweden (TV4), Finland, Poland, Italy, Albania, Macedonia, Turkey, Israel, Romania, Ukraine, Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, Hong KongM1 controls the foreign rights to all of Fedor’s fights. I am sure they were making some money
Premium Subscription: United States (Showtime); Canada (Super Channel); Setanta: Angola, Benin, Botswana, Burundi, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Congo Democratic Republic, Congo Republic, Ivory Coast, Cape Verde, Chad, Central African Republic, Comoros, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Gambia, Ghana, Guinea, Guinea Bissau, Kenya, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Mauritius, Mauritania, Mozambique, Namibia, Niger, Nigeria, Reunion, Rwanda, Sao Tome & Principe, Senegal, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, St. Helena, Somalia, Swaziland, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe; HBO: Anguilla, Antigua & Barbuda, Argentina, Aruba, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Bermuda, Bolivia, Brazil, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, El Salvador, French Guyana, Grenada, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guyana, Haiti, Honduras, Jamaica, Martinique, Mexico, Montserrat, the Netherlands Antilles, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Suriname, Trinidad, Tobago, the Turks and Caicos Islands, Uruguay and Venezuela
Live Pay-Per-View: Russia (NTV), Australia, New Zealand, Japan (Internet PPV)
Do tell, sir! No reason to be vague.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
yes, please tell us how much these deals are worth… you might want to throw in a citation or two.
I’ll hold my breath.
He cites himself
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by Ubernoober on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a little sad...
because Fedor will NEVER come to the UFC now.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Overeem really wanted to be the one to beat Fedor – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5kLmv7mF3U
“Fedor needs to be beaten by me and only me”
God I hope Carwin wins.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
The people who do the rankings
would go ape shit if that happens.
Setting these fights close together was either genius or extremely lucky. You know they are going to sell the hell out of the guy winning being the best HW on the planet
"I’m the UFC heavyweight champion and I will be until the day I decide I don’t want to be. And that isn’t anytime soon." - Brock Lesnar
by MMA_PITBULL on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Man, I like Carwin and all, he’s fun to watch…but he bores the hell out of me. Lesnar staying champ gives people someone to hate, someone to watch lose. Carwin is just…I dunno, he’s just a big dude who can break faces. Lesnar is a big guy who breaks faces and makes you FEEL something.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
someone made a funny joke in another thread about Brock needed to lose next week to balance out the fanboys
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Exactly...
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No way
Brock winning and Fedor losing in a week-span would destroy the MMA universe.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
We’ve had a lot of intelligent discussion about the Lesnar/Carwin fight lately, think you’d know better than to hint a me being a fanboy. I’m just saying that Lesnar = more compelling hype for fights than Carwin.
Ah well, and really? Theres far more Lesnar haters around here than “fanboys”, I’d wager.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Carwin is also 36 and doesn’t have much of a future in the sport. Lesnar, barring any further intestinal issues, should be a relevant heavyweight for at least the next 5 years.
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by s.r.genovese on Jun 27, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah, to me thats like when BJ lost and Coker was trying to say the Aoki/Melendez fight would be for #1 LW in the world. I still dont think they should be ranked above Fedor. We know Brock or Carwin aint gonna triangle Fedor.
Damn, wish it would have at least been Ubereem to have beat Fedro.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor only has one more fight left on his contract, a rematch victory over Werdum would mess things up for SF...
so expect that to be the plan Coker goes with.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
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by Razreshat on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 18 recs
What a crazy out come to this night
There is no way around it, SF has to make Overeem/Werdum. I think Fedor should fight Barnett. That is a fight I still would like to see.
Let’s not forget about Le! What a great fight that was!
Slow Cooking! MMM-MMM GOOD!
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Overeem v Werdum and Fedor v Barnett are excellent match ups. I’d love to see both of those. Having said that……a little piece of me is glad that Fedor lost as its good to remind everybody that nobody is unbeatable in MMA and 1 little mistake means game over. Thats why Fedors winning streak was…..man, sounds weird saying was instead of is, but WAS so incredible. The downside to his loss is that we probably wont get to see Fedor v Overeem now!!!!!
This is Gomi/Aurelio 1 all over again..
A seemingly unstoppable force beaten by an under-appreciated and overlooked fighter with a clear path to victory. Sure, Fedor’s “aura of invincibility” may be lost, but he can redeem himself with an adjustment to his gameplan. He should have just employed the strategy he used against Nogueira the 3rd time, playing into his opponent’s strengths has always been far too risky and he paid the ultimate price this time.
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Honestly...
if I was Big John I would have waited just so it would have been unquestionable.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Woulda been nappy nap time for Fedor had it not been stopped.
by I Can't Feel My Face on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is actually lucky this wasn't in the UFC...
the elbows that Werdum could have dropped on him would have been ugly.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I don't either...
but I’m sane, mostly.
Others will start a conspiracy over Big John stopping this too soon, etc…
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
and he was cut from the UFC to do just that
get your tin hat
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
by Bob Boblaw on Jun 27, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
"Who cares"
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
by Fake Emcee on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Lucky punch?
Werdum just got caught?
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
An immediate rematch would be the smartest thing for Strikeforce (and M1 especially) to do. If Fedor wins in a dominating fashion, basically everything goes back to being the same again. Fedor redeems himself, most will just say it was a huge brainfart by Fedor in the first fight. Dana would be unhappy again.
Coker, dont fuck this up. Most likely you will though.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Most likely retire I guess. Fuck, I wanted him to win out his contract with SF and stop BS’ing and finally go to UFC.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I recall somebody tell us all, with great fanfare, that there was something like an 85% change of Fedor in the UFC last summer.
I’m gonna need some percentages to back up this latest assertion.
In fact, it was guaranteed. YOU BROKE MY HEART LOGIC!!!
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
85%?… I said it was a 100%. Any other fighter and it was 100%.
Shit, in april I was about to guarantee it again… but I took caution and I saved myself from looking foolish again. He will never sign if he kept winning. Will he every now, I dont know… Now that he has alot less leverage and the fertittas would love to have him reture in the UFC it’s possible but I wouldnt hold my breath.
Nobody from Zuffa wants anything to do with his crew.
I thought he would, I mean, After Ubereem there really was nobody else and the $$$ was better so…
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Why did you post this twice?
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
The first one wouldnt post it was taking 4ever so then I decided to just put it in a seperate post in a non reply. Then that bitch posted. lol
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Internet is imploding over this...
understandable then.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Fedor's value in the market has dropped....
which is actually good for SF in regard to negotiations.
GreenHouse
This is all a shinning example of why you shouldn’t put all of your eggs in one basket, and Strikeforce continues to do so. They have the absolutely shittiest luck, but at the same time when you have your announcers asking other people how they think one fighter is going to win then you might be getting a little ahead of yourselves. They continue to promote only the fighter they hope to win, and so when they lose the other fighter that in no way was hyped doesn’t end up getting the push that they really should. This pay per view of theirs is completely fucked, they can’t get an entertaining fight on CBS to save their lives, and twice in a row a winning fighter has actually turned down the title fight that the winner was supposed to receive as a result. WHEN YOUR FIGHTERS ARE TURNING DOWN TITLE FIGHTS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
I got a feeling Fedor finishes his contract and retires..
Slow Cooking! MMM-MMM GOOD!
"I Wanna Thank Joe Rogan!" - BJ Penn
Same.
Its all good.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup
He was ducking before now he lost he’s gonna crawl in his hole forever.
by Bloodsport on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey does anyone remember that post about Kid and Urijah
And how at one point that was the big dream fight?
So much for Brock vs. Fedor being the big dream fight. Oh well.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 27, 2010 1:01 AM EDT reply actions
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/21/997794/learning-from-kids-how-urijah
This one I wrote last August?
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Yeah that was the one.
I remember reading that and thinking, “oh I hope that doesn’t happen with Brock and Fedor.”
I just really want it to, at least, be Cain who knocks off Brock and not Carwin. Nothing against Carwin, but Brock is just such an awesome heel and Shane is just…well, he is ok I guess.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions
1. Fedor: let him fight Barnett on NYE. Then, if he’s interested in fighting give him one more shot against the winner of
2. Werdum: vs Overeem this fall on CBS
3. Oveem. See above
4. Coker can now spend his time actually promoting instead of dealing with m1 24/7
5. Vadim better home the m1 challenge starts drawing
6. Brock and Shane: winner is the new #1 HW
7.You would think a fan of the sport would actually comment on the historical moment and not try to get a childish dig in.
I’m guessing you’re being facetious, but for the record — no. I actually got that question into the conference call.
You got a question into the conference call and that’s the one you decided to go with?
by ufc4 on Jun 27, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sherdog logic:
Fedor should move down a weight class
by I Can't Feel My Face on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 AM EDT reply actions
I guess your only as good as your last performance
He became “just another heavyweight”. It will be very interesting to see how they handle this.
So much for a decade of dominace. Make way for the steroid freaks with mlb trainers private phone numbers run at the ufc belt.
Fedor is still just as good a fighter as he was before this fight but what this kills is the aura of invinciblity. Lots of people honestly though no one would eve beat Fedor and that’s gone now. He may be the best heavyweight still but he’s mortal now.
I know
I was pointing out the ridicuolous statement made in the article.
what's so rediculous about it?
every other HW has holes, and people can predict them to lose without fear of ridicule. Fedor, up until an hour ago, was not in the same boat. He now is.
Thus:
He became "just another heavyweight".
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
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Thank god
No more nuthuggers lol that was better then I couldve ever hoped fedor is no more. No point of him in the ufc now. Today was my bday and that was the best present thank you. Werdum.
by Bloodsport on Jun 27, 2010 1:05 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
because I already know what would happen to him in every compelling matchup
he isn’t getting out from under Brock, Carwin, or Cain and JDS is a better sloppy kickboxer than him.
I think he could beat Mir but it’s a long shot… the only fights I care to see are rematches, really. CC and Rodrigo for nostalgia’s sake. I think Fedor’s days at the top are over.
Furthermore, I want to see Overeem destroy him in SF.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Getting triangled by Werdum doesn’t mean he isn’t wiley enough to beat three wrestlers with no submission game or a knockout specialist. All it means is he isn’t invincible.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Your statement presupposes that I only came to this conclusion AFTER the loss.
I’ve thought Fedor would lose to Brock Carwin and Cain for awhile now.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Oh
So you talking out of your ass. That’s cool then.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 27, 2010 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dodge all you want
the fact is Mir and Rodrigo have a better guard than Fedor, and Lesnar and Cain had no problem beating them. Both of whom are larger than Fedor to begin with, I might add.
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Cain beat Rodrigo because he was able to overcome his guard? No, he knocked him out, which he wouldn’t be able to do to Fedor win or lose.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
With all do respect
Cain destroying Fedor standing up is at least as likely as Fedor knocking out Cain. All that being said it was a sad day in MMA for me.
"-i never said half the things i said." --Yogi Berra
my bad, thought it was a TKO from guard
but my statement still applies as far as Lesnar is concerned
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
That's why they fight the fights
If Fedor can’t get out from underneath a quality HW wrestler, I want to see it.
I don’t understand these type of statements. True fans of the sport would still love to see Fedor vs Brock, Carwin, Dos Santos, Mir, etc. So what if Fedor isn’t #1, he’s still fucking FEDOR
True fans?
So because Fedor losing made me lose alot of interest on seeing him fight in the ufc I’m not a true fan? Glad you told me I woukdve walked around thinking just cause I watch every mma event I can find on the net or tv I was a fan.
by Bloodsport on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
why is it that everytime someone makes a statement, everyone who doesn't agree isn't a "true fan"
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
It’s a popular stand-in for having a legitimate argument.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
or better yet
why is it that every time someone can’t understand someone else’s argument/statement, they must not be a “true fan”? As if all “true fans” think alike and universally hold the same opinion about everything as it relates to MMA?
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
Dear Vadim and Fedor,
Please take your co-promotion and shove it up your ass…
Please take your sambo and shove it up your ass…
And, please take your dog and shove it up your ass…
Regards,
MMA Fans
PS. please dont let the m-1 logo hit you in the ass on the way out.
by mmalogic on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 15 recs
how can the loss be so fresh and your banter be so tired.
by bleve_ on Jun 27, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't diss sambo...
…it’s a groovy martial art.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Were they trying to co-promote with you?
You seem awfully worried about Zuffa’s business and bottom line. It’s enough, in light of recent breaking information, to make a man suspect you had ulterior motives.
"The best book on the real history of MMA that I've seen," Dave Meltzer
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If he was a shill he’d be a terrible shill. Everybody on this site already knows he’s full of shit.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Extended list of losers tonight...
EA Sports MMA
Women’s refereeing
Jerry Millen
non conformists
Russia
by Dark Tower on Jun 27, 2010 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 9 recs
^
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Jan Finney's face
Jan Finney is the toughest fighter in MMA
by Earl Montclair on Jun 27, 2010 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Not quite sure that Russia is a loser tonight but Jerry Millen was a loser yesterday is today and will continue to be one tomorrow!!
by GeeDub on Jun 27, 2010 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please add...
1. Cyborg: Unless they create a “Cyborg” or she fights her husband who else is left for her to beat up…errr…I mean fight?
2. Whoever had to wake up next to Jan “Cuddles” Finney this morning: She looks like she was dragged behind a car, can’t be the most pleasant thing to see first thing in the morning.
"Let's kick some names and take some a$$"
by StayGoldLikeFlair on Jun 27, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor will get his rematch
I have a hard time believing Fedor will not want to avenge his loss. The real question to me is when does he get it.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
When Fedor begrudgingly tapped, he lost the aura that made him so appealing to the MMA fan base. He’s no longer FEDOR, but simply Fedor.
Why does this come to mind with your theatrical nonsense…
How is it nonsense?
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you disputing that Fedor’s aura of invincibility was his primary appeal or are you disputing that losing has destroyed that aura?
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m implying that the mma fanbase, that as of very recently “never heard of fedor” is smarter than many pundits think and one loss will do little to diminish that aura… in fact the loss might serve to ignite more interest.
That’s insane. The Last Emperor just lost a fight. That does not help his marketability.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Less marketable than before…I mean, do you really believe his marketability remains the same after losing tonight?
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions
the losing part has yet to sink in for some people
"We are entering the last phases of the Farewell Fedor tour, and I, for one, am looking forward to the future." - subo -
You know what I think of this comment?
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions
The best part of this is the EXPLOSION on the net.
Various websites are doooown.
Cause there's only one, and that's me
You understand? for all that fighting, you understand
That sucka think he good, that sucka think he can whoop me
And i know he can't whoop me, Ay boy, the n**** whole style is chump
by S.C. Michaelson on Jun 27, 2010 1:10 AM EDT reply actions
Wow, it’s hard to believe how many fanboys (not just here, but other sites and on twitter asking some of the mma writers) still think Fedor is deserving of #1 ranking despite losing. Hell, why make the guy fight at all, just carry him around on his throne after Pride was bought out and say he is the best ever b/c he won HW champ there.
Fedor is deserving of #1 ranking despite losing.
Who’s saying this besides people who are already delusional?
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
Only thing I can think of is that they really mean “Of all time” because he’s certainly not #1 anymore, and rankings are based on present time. If they seriously do mean still rank him #1 at HW…then I’ve lost more faith in humanity, and I didn’t think I had any left to lose.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
No, I’ve seen the all-time ones, and though I disagree and can understand their side. I’m talking I’ve actually seen people asking if he is still considered the #1 ranked HW.
Yep. You’ve got to wonder if they really even have a grasp on things other than rankings if they think you could lose so soundly and retain your rank. BJ is still highly ranked because the fight with Edgar was close, but Fedor? Fedor just got tapped in 1:09…there’s no argument that could even make me think for one MOMENT that Fedor is still number one. Thats just not how it works.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
So who is the current #1? Lesnar at 4-1? Werdum at 14-4 Its not that bizarre that a guy with essentially a 30 fight win streak, drops 1 fight and remains on top, is it?? Some people still have BJ at #1 LW and he’s 15-6.
There is a difference, however...
as to how BJ got his recent loss and how Fedor just lost.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Fedor was demolished and tooled? He wasn’t in the fight at all? Werdum did a good job at baiting him and Fedor was too gun-ho. Bad strategy against the BJJ World champ. Was a big mistake but not like Werdum beat him up in all aspects of the game. Most of us saw this coming. We just hoped we would be proved wrong like always.
"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn
Which is worse?
The fanboys who are saying Fedor is still #1 or the fanboys who insatiably go after Fedor saying that he’s overrated?
Me thinks it’s option #2…
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Jun 27, 2010 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
At least the #2 guys can make a half assed argument for their point…to say Fedor should still be ranked #1 is some of the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.
From all reports she (Cyborg) pretty much only spars men, and has been known to put some out during training. - Rudinho479
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Me thinks you support option #1
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
I think they’ll plough ahead with Fedor vs Megareem on PPV.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
then strikeforce is indeed a joke
..how about this!!!!! WWF style. A Triple Threat Hell in the Cell match for the unified wamma and strikeforce titles…..bah gawd it’ll be a slobberknocker..STONE COLD!!!STONE COLD!!!STONE COLD
They want money, and Fedor/Megareem will sell more than Werdum/Megareem, loss or not. M-1 also needs to squeeze as much money out of Fedor as they can.
Either that or a PPV rematch of Fedor/Werdum, and Megreem goes back to Japan and loses to Minowaman.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?
i mean i would watch overeem v fedor because it’s a fight i want to see. but if you’re gonna shaft werdum like that and leave him out in the cold and deny him a title shot. then im finding myself a stream and not dropping a dime for the ppv.
I’ll still like my triple threat idea with fedor showing up as unmasked Kane.
Hellfire and Brimstones IT’S KANE!!!!IT’S KANE!!!IT’S KANE!!!!! lol
don’t see it happening, Fedor attempts to avenge *first loss against Werdum if he wins he retires and rides into the sunset.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor is irrelevant now?
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
fickle
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
in name value…of course not,, hell no, but in terms of the top the top tier of the heavyweight rankings, esp with the ufc’s big monster four and ubereem…i would sadly say yes
Then I would happily say you are wrong.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
what are the heavyweight rankings now????
brock, carwin, cain, jds, overeem, fedor, werdum
and if you somewhat agree with that order.
then i’d say that for fedor to fight werdum who isn’t even in the top 10 anymore would be a technically irrelevant match, right?
it’s a match that is marketable and worthy of being made but won’t have great significance or importance in regards to the current heavyweight landscape.
How can Fedor drop so far from losing one fight, when in it, he wasn’t completely out gamed. He threw himself into Werdum’s great guard. Unfortunate. But to put him down below these guys, who haven’t been really ‘tested’ (with exception to Cain and his chin), after a decade of dominance I cannot fathom. Sorry but I have faith and love for my favorite fighters. I guess I’m too loyal..
"For your information, I would like to ask a question."
-Samuel Goldwyn
Dude
Fedor’s a can. Catch up, he hasn’t beaten anybody since the late 90s.
by Electro Boy on Jun 27, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
M1 business choices have been eroding Fedor's relevance for a long time.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
This loss actually makes it more likely fedor goes to UFC.. since he cant ask for ridiculous amounts anymore
i dunno
Dana will probably offer him pennies now and Fedor will retire. It’s all annoying, but understandable.
dana will just pretend like its all under the bridge ala tito and ifedor in the fuc will happen now that the invisible barrier has been broken
He brought Kimbo in didnt he? lol
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
If Lesnar wins, I might. =P
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor loss = Dana Wins
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
Na, he would of had to pay
Finky and Fedor tens of millions for a 2 million buy PPV. Now he can pay someone $500,000 to get pounded by BROCKLESNAR/Carwin/JDS/Cain and sell 1 million plus.
but now he has in the general mma fans opinion the only real number 1 heavyweight…and Fedor is irrelevant.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions
So how does Dos Santos come out of this
He’s my number one, followed by Brock/Carwin winner, Werdum, then Cain.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Crazy like Ron Artest you mean
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
so extremely crazy?
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
This shouldn’t impact JDS. You can’t go back and change what his win over Werdum meant.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking something similar
I don’t think he leap frogs Brock/ Carwin, but i do think he should leapfrog Cain in getting a tittle shot. He beat the guy who beat the world number 1 and hasn’t had a hiccup since then. I see no reason why Cain gets a title shot over Dos Santos.
PLEASE . . .
- Werdum ranked 2 or 4?!? Where does that put JDS then?
- Nah homey, Fedor is still FEDOR but that’s just my opinion. He lost a fight the world did not come to an end but Sherdog’s server is having problems.
- I’m still laughing at Lesnar’s being the #2 HW but whatever. I doubt I’ll see Lesnar win 20+ consecutive fights any time soon.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
Rankings
I expect to see….
Edgar jumped to number one despite a loss to Maynard.
Lesnar / Carwin Winner
Werdum
Fedor
Lesnar Carwin Loser
Cain
JDS
Mir
JDS is getting jobbed here.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
All of those names are Legit...
Sixth in the world isn’t jobbed and he is the only name on that list with zero wins over top 5 ranked opponents.
Fedor has zero wins over top five ranked guys in about as many years as most of these guys have been fighting
Not true...
Arlovski and Big Tim were both Top 5 when he fought them.
Let haters hate. Those assholes have waited a long time for this.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
by Neil Manich on Jun 27, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
just like the fans who rode his coats tails were angels while he was on his run, Please. Fedor’s mistique was what made him marketable to the casuals and what made so many of the hardcores love the guy. I think it was Luke who said what makes people like Fedor is how normal he looks and yet how he keeps destroying guys.
Now he has been stopped and Werdum made it look easy thus he losses his spot at the top of the rankings and becomes a dude who is now that russian huy who went on a tear.
that russian huy who went on a tear.
Come on now. Whats next???
Michael Jordan – “……that dude who scored a few baskets.”
Roger Federer – “…..that guy who won some tennis matches.”
Fedor’s mystique is still fully intact as far as Im concerned. I’d always assumed that he would be as emotionless after a loss as he was a win but it was still very odd to see him act with utter indifference to his loss when MMA fans all over the world were reacting with such emotion.
Somehow I like this.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
No doubt. What’s the biggest difference between JDS, Velasquez, Carwin and BROCK LESNAR?
Only Lesnar suffered a defeat in the Octagon.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Jun 27, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
That seems about right. Some people might leapfrog JDS over Cain.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It it got deleted or something.
But I’ll repeat my comment from that post, which is: What about Rambaa Samdet?
The UFC doesn't have a 115er division.
It is 115 isn’t it?
And thus, Zuffa still lacks one established (albeit only just so) #1 in a weight class. Eventually they will rectify this, but until then, Shooto has a last grasp of unique relevance. How fitting.
I don't know that it's ironic exactly
In a number of ways it is entirely appropriate and foreseeable that Shooto would hold the last and lightest non Zuffa #1.
This is it.
This is the best analysis of the fallout I have read yet.
Of course, its only been 2 hours.
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by BloodbathAndBeyond on Jun 27, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m curious, I don’t seem to be in trouble…
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
The "Zuffa crowning every #1" bit?
I think that’s largely indisputable now (certainly after Carwin/Brock)
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 27, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that, but it doesn’t really mean it will be like that forever like he claims. Just that it will be like that for the foreseeable future.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Yeah – at some point, the earth will be incinerated in the sun, and then Zuffa won’t crown champs. Obviously, at some point, it’ll end, but not in the near, reasonable future.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 27, 2010 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think if it ever happens, its because of a contract dispute with a clear number one. Or somebody retires champ.
If Jacare goes on a complete tear, and Anderson Silva retires with the middleweight strap…
But you are right, its a ways off.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
Yes, Largey Indisputable… We live within walls… outside of these walls UFC is the sport. Inside we have juvenile discussions about this org vs that. That discussion is over and I dont have to read Kid Nates troll posts anymore.
We are now getting undisputed title fights in every weight class. As a fan this a beautiful.
No longer do I have to read stupid articles by josh gross talking about co-promotion.
The game is over. A new era has begun. The hardcore community has been synthesized.
The Zuffa haters and tabloid posters (coker’s words, not mine) will have to find some other bullshit to whine about like unionizing, Dana taking candy from this or that baby, etc…
by mmalogic on Jun 27, 2010 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm going to whine about the continuing absence of the lowest-weight fighters
Suck on them apples, fanboy
I just dont get how Brock sits at #1. His 1 win and 1 loss against Mir nullify each other leaving him with 3 wins over Kim, Herring and Couture. How does that even put him in the top 10?!? If you want to argue that he beat couture and leapfrogs, then surely Werdum has to leapfrog into the #1 spot now doesnt he??
If Carwin wins you could make the case for him being #1 at 13-0……but Brock at 5-1!?!? How?
“[Y]ou’ll realize this was bigger than Petruzeli beating Kimbo.”
Yeah, because we were all having a tough time figuring this out without Subo.
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 27, 2010 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
damn...
you beat me to it.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 27, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomorrow morning BE headline:
“Werdum Over Fedor Bigger Story Than Petruzelli KOing Kimbo! Sky Blue! Grass Green! Cubs Lose!”
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 27, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The number 1 heavyweight in the world is being crowned this weekend… work with that – you’ll get it soon enough.
Hm…where have I seen that before. Where oh where. Oh, wait, I got it:
“6. Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin – Someone’s about to be crowned the undisputed heavyweight king next week. My money’s on Brock, but either guy will be able to call himself the baddest man on the planet with a win next week.”
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I came on to enjoy the moment with fellow fans and every time we are sucked into a debate on how this is great for UFC future growth. Tiresome.
by John Nash on Jun 27, 2010 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is my whole complaint
I’d rather be talking about how this is a huge moment for Werdum than how Dana White is now happy.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
An immediate rematch
Would be the smartest thing for Strikeforce (and M1 especially) to do. If Fedor wins in a dominating fashion, basically everything goes back to being the same again. Fedor redeems himself, most will just say it was a huge brainfart by Fedor in the first fight. Dana would be unhappy again.
Coker, dont fuck this up. Most likely you will though.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Things will never be the same no matter what.
You can never erase the L, even if it is followed by a W in a rematch. Fedor’s mortality has been confirmed.
Keep in mind that Fedor only has 1 more fight on his contract with Strikeforce. Him beathing Werdum in a rematch puts Strikeforce in a very hard spot as to a contender for Overeem…especially if Fedor then decides to retire / go to the UFC.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Well, thats what I want to happen anyway. Let him get the immediate rematch, beat Werdum and say Fuck This Im getting paid, jump ship to UFC. =)
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Werdum would have to be out of his mind to accept a rematch.
Bolts from the Blue // "He looks like a catfish" - Nick Hardwick on Brandon Siler
Bloody Elbow // " looks like your comment violated rule #4. and it’s a heck of a rule, rule #4" - Kid Nate
by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
LMAO he did, and I’m thinking “uh WTF?”
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
by xFenixKnightx on Jun 27, 2010 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
Even though they have Overeem waiting in the background?
If Derek Jeter clubbed a baby seal on earth day while wearing a mink coat and crocodile skin boots while burning tires on an iceberg, the reaction would be "Its OK Derek, you’re a Yankee." -First mammal to wear pants
I wonder what Jerry Mellon thinks.(i forget his name lol)
"Everyone has a game plan, untell they get hit." -Mike Tyson
Millon
I haven’t heard shit about him since Affliction died. Does he even work for M-1 anymore?
"It’s going to be like sex with a grizzly bear, you know, a lot of scratching and growling on both sides." - Don Frye
RIP Sherdog (6/26/10)
I for one would like to see Werdum back in the UFC
Without his belly fat and remotivated. His guard is dangerous for Lesnar and Cain. Junior and Carwin are probably bad match ups for him, but he is a game opponent for anybody at the top. He’s a better Frank Mir.
"I am a man who pisses largely and frequently, which they say is a sign of great mental activity" -Henry Miller-
That would be awesome
But what’s his contract like? Contender clause (though if that is a problem Overeem will probably solve it)? Werdum vs Mir would probably be a lot of fun to star things off.
Doesn’t matter as he’s not the champ.
by ufc4 on Jun 27, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Also
Fedor looks like Frank Trigg in that picture, sad, bald, and defeated. And his facial structure just kind of looks like him.
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Noooooo!!!
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by Bandaka on Jun 27, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eh
Thomson didn’t look great, but it’s always better to shake off ring rust with an ugly submission win instead of an ugly decision loss. Cyborg is Cyborg (that ref should never be contacted for an MMA event again) and they’ll get another fight out of Cung Le (MW tourney?). Could’ve been worse – honestly, Strikeforce made out like bandits here, even more so if they’re smart enough to put Overeem/Werdum on CBS instead of PPV.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
What i meant was
that they were losers in the sense that any credit or attention they deserve has just been destroyed by this shit hurricane.
You watch what you say about Yancy Madieros.
It remains unclear, but their are growing indications that he may in fact be slinging hot fire.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 3:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
4. Scott Coker – There’s so many questions for Strikefore right now. Unless there was an automatic rematch clause in the bout agreement, I believe Coker has to make the Werdum/Overeem fight. It kills any chance of Strikeforce entering the PPV market, but a second Fedor/Werdum fight won’t exactly light up the buyrate either. While I can understand the temptation to try to “make things right” for Fedor, it would be an extremely hard sell to me for Coker to ask Werdum to fight Fedor again, instead of getting a title shot he deserves (as little as a Strikeforce title belt means). And if he does go with the logical Werdum/Overeem fight, who does Fedor get next? Josh Barnett? Antonio Silva? Can he renegotiate? Can he recognize sunk costs and cut him? So many questions…
After the problems with M-1 last time, the smart choice IMO might just have to be cut him (if possible) and focus on Werdum/Overeem. That said, it would come to no surprise to me if they announced Fedor/Werdum II soon.
5. Vadim Finkelstein – Biggest loser on this list. Vadim and M-1 Global simply bit the curb on this one. Yeah, Fedor lost, but he’ll bounce back. Or he’ll retire. As an individual, Fedor will be fine. M-1 Global, however, just took a serious punch to the gut. Their biggest bargaining chip is no longer the number one fighter in the world. He became “just another heavyweight”. It will be very interesting to see how they handle this.
Huge loser. A lot of Fedor’s appeal became about his undefeated streak. And now that’s over, with no controversy, against a guy who is not a new candidate for the best HW in MMA. Their bargaining power is out the window. How long before that becomes apparent remains to be seen though.
6. Brock Lesnar and Shane Carwin – Someone’s about to be crowned the undisputed heavyweight king next week. My money’s on Brock, but either guy will be able to call himself the baddest man on the planet with a win next week.
7. Dana White – Dana’s tweet following the fight (“:D”) pretty much sums it up.
I think Fedor’s loss to Werdum will make Dana sleep easier at night for not being in the Fedor Emelianenko business. And I think Dana and the UFC will really push the winner of Lesnar/Carwin as the new de facto #1 HW in MMA.
Dana never lost sleep. The only people who raged
about Fedor being in the UFC was the internet fanboys. Fedor was either the GoaT or the most over-rated all time.
For me, he was a great HW who time has run its course.
The only way to "make things right"
is to book Overeem-vs-Werdum NOW. SF doesnt owe Fedor anything, (imho) Werdum-vs-Fedor II doesnt move the company forward. The Lesnar/Carwin fight just got bigger (if that’s even possible), the only way to keep your HW belt relevant is to book this fight asap. Last night’s winner was supposed to gett he next title shot , anything less than that shows the public that you expected Fedor (which you did) to win and takes a major dump on Werdum’s accomplishment. Like someone above me said, Overeem-vs-Werdum on CBS in the Fall and have Fedor-vs-Barnett on NYE, winner gets the next title shot.
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by StayGoldLikeFlair on Jun 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Did anyone else notice Fedor was facially hairless? He looked dif and I was like, why doesn’t he have eye brows. Maybe he was going through Cemo
I’m still a little shocked by Fedor’s apparent loss of fight IQ, but maybe there is a silver lining. I get the feeling that Fedor was thinking about retiring because there was nothing left to do that would be done, but maybe this loss lights the fire again. I’m sick of guys fighting once or twice a year. Someone sign him for another 3 fights and make them happen.
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