Fabricio Werdum Silences Doubters by Tapping Fedor Emelianenko and Proving Jiu Jitsu Still Matters
by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:23 AM EDT
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Earlier this week Kid Nate and I tried to combat the growing lunacy online that saw people denying Fabricio Werdum was a fit opponent for the great Fedor Emelianenko. We explained that Werdum was one of the five most dangerous men in the world on the ground, that he could tap anyone at anytime, that he had proven that skill time and again against top level grapplers.
Well, against all odds, Werdum erased all doubts by submitting the greatest heavyweight in the history of mixed martial arts. Fedor Emelianenko had taken on all comers with an aggressive, but highly disciplined game. Against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, Fedor operated very carefully in the Brazilian's closed guard. Werdum didn't get that level of respect-and it cost Emelianenko dearly.
Werdum seemed to bait Fedor in, flopping to the ground after a series of punches that didn't seem to land cleanly. Fedor pounced quickly, but Werdum was ready. The Brazilian Jiu Jitsu world champion secured a triangle-armbar combination that was deep. The Russian scrambled and squirmed, but escape was impossible. One single tap ended the fight and changed the MMA business forever.
The internet will no doubt explode in the days to come, but remember who told you this was a real fight. Congratulations to Fabricio Werdum. Going forward I suspect people won't be so quick to dismiss him. When you are that good on the ground you are definitionally dangerous. I hope Alistair Overeem remembers that when the two fight later this year. And thanks to Fedor Emelianenko. There will never be another like him.
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Keep Firing, Assholes!
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You have to admit it seems a bit odd to gloat when in the staff predictions that ran earlier today these guys all gave Werdum almost no shot to win.
by ufc4 on Jun 27, 2010 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
What’s odd about it? Any one with a rational brain takes Fedor in a straight pick ’em.
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Good point, they all picked Fedor, so I guess they didn’t think Werdum was THAT dangerous.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
I know I didn’t discount him. You can’t pick against Fedor, but man was I tempted. Felt like a let down fight for him, and it was.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I hardly think fans questioning Fedor’s opponents since he left Pride or questioning Stikeforces matchmaking means we all discounted him. Many of us thought the same thing as you guys, Fedor would win unless he did something stupid and he pretty much did the same thing as putting his hands down and allowing Rogers or Overeem to tee off on him. From what I saw we though Werdum was a bit one dimensional and last time I saw the replay he won using his one dimension. That’s not bad if he can make it work, but it doesn’t make for a long reign in MMA as a champ usually.
OK. I remember dozens of “he has no hope” posts.But sure, you knew….inside. Just not in writing.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Then sure, but now we can say...
Werdum is to Emelianenko
as
Sakuraba is to Gracie
Fabricio “The Emelianenko Killer” Werdum
by truck on Jun 27, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like that.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t say I knew; I just told you I thought Fedor would win too. In fact, your post is a reply to where I just said that.
I’m sure there were plenty of no hope posts. Those are probably the same people saying Fedor is still #1 HW and this loss means nothing.
Not at all
They were mostly from the anti-Fedor camp saying he was avoiding competition by facing a “can.”
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure some were both.
But I remember talking about it in length on both yours and nate’s articles and don’t think I wad completely discounting the guy. When I say he can win in only a certain way and he wins that way, how can that be completely dismissing him?
My point was, this article was amusing when everytime Fedor fights there are articles building up his opponents that he beats. So one time one of them actually does something and you jump up to say “I told you so”. Though none of you believe your own worlds enough to pick Werdum to win anymore than me or most of the other fans.
This was just a huge “I told you so post”
by esuohlliM on Jun 27, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The internet will no doubt explode in the days to come, but remember who told you this was a real fight. Congratulations to Fabricio Werdum. Going forward I suspect people won’t be so quick to dismiss him. When you are that good on the ground you are definitionally dangerous. I hope Alistair Overeem remembers that when the two fight later this year. And thanks to Fedor Emelianenko. There will never be another like him.
I vote this to be your greatest paragraph of writing Mr. Snowden. Props.
I just really hope people aren’t writing off Fedor after that loss.
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Man I pity Fedor’s next opponent. Whoever he is, he’s doomed.
by moonlapse88 on Jun 27, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
M-1 has mentioned a fight with Big Foot Silva multiple times...
I just didn’t think they would go this far to make it a reality…
Fedor vs Hershal Walker...
book it… I posted this earlier. :)
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
I’m more excited to see him fight now. I honestly think they have protected his record the last few years, so maybe now he will dive more into the mix. Maybe we will get to see him fight Overeem, Lesnar, Carwin, etc.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Carwin has faced opponents that warrant him being on that list. Werdum was a legitimate top 10 fighter and a true threat. That was a real fight for anyone in the division-just like we told you.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s facing the #1 HW in the world next week!
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That is the real question...
Is Lesnar number 1 now?
Is Werdum number 1?
I guess it doesn’t matter, but the winner of that Lesnar / Carwin will determine more.
The winner of that fight should be number one. There is an arguement for Werdum though.
If you’re going by how Brock Lesnar got his ranking, it’s an interesting debate for Werdum. He definitely should be ranked in the top 5 now
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
I’m not sure where I’d rank Werdum honestly. But How does someone say Brock is #1 after beating Frank Mir and not say Werdum is #1 after beating Fedor? It’s a tough topic
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I don't know.
This reminds me of Edgar / Penn. Might end up the same.
There won’t be many ranking updates this week. I say the winner of Lesnar / Carwin ends up on top though.
Things are about...
…to get real interesting.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting as in, Lesnar crushes Carwin, owns the division by defeating Cain, JDS, and Roy Nelson, and the world sits in disbelief as a former pro wrestler takes the title of Best Heavyweight in the World?
Interesting indeed.
*Disclaimer: I think this is far from the truth, and the HW division will end up much like LHW, with constant title changes. But it sure would be interesting if things played out as above.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I think after tonight, even though this is mMA and history should be a lesson to everyone, no one should be banking on Lesnar to win that fight and count Carwin out.
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I don't think anyone is.
Actually, on the official UFC 116 site, 52% of people polled voted for Shane to win.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 27, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of posters o this site would have you believe otherwise. Same can be said for certain fans of Carwin.
Lesnar/Carwin is about as evenly matched as you can get.
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You’re exactly right. I’m picking Lesnar, but I know full well that Carwin can end it with one punch. Doesn’t even have to catch him, it could graze him and be over. And that’s exciting, and kinda sucks at the same time…I’m not a fan of those behind the ear “catching” punches that end fights.
Of course, Carwin’s hands are so big if he’s touching you with his hand, at least half of your face is covered.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of people are sleeping on his wrestling more than anything.
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I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again. Whoever gets hit flush first, or ends up on their back first, loses this fight. I think both Lesnar and Carwin would look lost with either man on top of them. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens though, it’s a big fight, and my girl loves Lesnar, only fighter she’ll scream for in public.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that whoever lands the first clean punch wins. That’s my prediction and I’m going back and forth on who wins. But I actually feel this fight is not going to be decided on the ground. I think both guys are training their butts off to stay off their back and if either guy gets put there, they’ll get back up. I think Carwin’s wrestling will be good enough to avoid the TD but not sure if it’s good enough to take Brock down. One of those canned hams of Carwin’s or Lesnar’s is landing
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I’ll be annoyed if Lesnar KO’s him, and the world thinks he’s some KO artist, for knocking out Carwin…kinda like stealing his hype or something. And the last thing I want is for Lesnar to believe he’s one, I’m happy with the takedown and gorilla ground and pound. Less risky.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
if you play by the rules...
i guess you rank lesnar #1.
but my bet is that cain velasquez comes out on top of the whole heap within the next 12 months.
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I want to think you are right, but I wonder if his size would cost him in a wrestling match with Lesnar.
i think about the lesnar/couture fight, where you’ve got a guy who in some ways is kind of like velasquez. and i ask myself how velasquez would have done in those sequences, and i think he does really well.
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Not really an argument for #1...
Lesnar avenged his only loss, won the HW Championship and defended that title once thus far. There is a clear case due to his level of opposition.
Carwin is undefeated and beat the #3 ranked HW at the time to earn him a title shot. That makes a case for Carwin’s ranking..
Werdum, while a great HW and worthy of top ten status, he still has the losses to JDS and Arlovski floating around..
I don’t think Fedor drops below 3 for one single loss.. Lesnar/Carwin makes a clear cut for #1 and possibly loser getting 2 or 3 with Fedor interchangable… But because of JDS you just can’t put him in the top 5 as long as JDS is reeling off victories..
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by MMAuthority on Jun 27, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar's level of competition?
Mir, Herring, and Couture? Really?
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Better than Fedor’s level of competition in the same time frame
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no it's not
Sylvia, Arlovski, Rogers are right up there with Mir, Herring and Couture.
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Mir is better than Sylvia, Arlovski and Rogers
but Herring not so much. Randy, he is a wildcard. I don’t know.
No.. time of the fights are more relative..
Sylvia fought Fedor while coming off back to back loses to Couture and Nog… Not as impressive..
Mir beat Sylvia and Nog..
Arlovski lost back to back fights against Sylvia.. However was riding a nice win streak heading into the Fedor fight..
Couture at the time was the “Brock vs. Fedor” fight … Couture was coming off back to back wins against Sylvia and Gonzaga..
Couture was “not” a wild card.. Couture went through hell and back trying to get the Fedor fight.. But because he fought Brock and lost, he wasn’t as important or relevant anymore ?? He was still riding in on a 2 fight win streak against the best he had to offer..
Nog and Mir were already in line and signed to fight for the Interim title, so Couture took the next biggest money fight he could get.. Brock Lesnar..
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Sure but hear me out first...
Herring, while not the greatest HW in the division has been in a lot of quality fights including Nog and Fedor..His experience has to give Lesnar some credibility..
Couture was still the HW champ when he lost to Lesnar.. The debate about age and lay-off is there, but he was the champ and Lesnar beat him decisively.
Mir was ranked in the top 5 and coming off the Nog win heading into the rematch. Lesnar dominated that rematch and avenged his only loss..
I would at least give him some credibility at this point. He wasn’t exactly thrown in the “shallow end” to build his record like a Carwin, for example..
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by MMAuthority on Jun 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I would take Werdum over Herring, Mir, and Couture. Not saying Werdum is #1 but I think he beats herring easy, basically does to Randy what Nog did on the ground, and Mir would be a good match up style wise because Mirs greatest strength is jj and Werdum has the clear advantage there.
by xbuckeyex05 on Jun 27, 2010 12:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But you're going off styles and what if's..
We can only go off the what fights presented the outcomes we have to measure..
You can’t rank on “what if’s”..
Lesnar, while only having 5 total fights, hasn’t fought the Neil Weins, and Christian Wellisch’s of the HW divison. The guy walked in off the streets with only a wrestling pedigree from college almost 7 years earlier and was beating top level guys in the sport in decisive fashion..
We have to give him what little bit of credit he’s earned..
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by MMAuthority on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I also agree ..
That Werdum goes over Herring.. etc.. However, Werdum has losses relative on his record current. One of them to JDS, so that limits his ability to jump over the current UFC HW Champ that’s avenged his only loss and already had a title defense on his resume..
He certainly can’t jump Carwin or Cain because they’re both undefeated with big wins over bigger names (Nog & Mir).
He can’t jump JDS because that loss was never avenged and it’s still fresh..
It makes the clear cut # 1 and easy pick.. But from there it gets pretty murky, IMO
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Yea, I agree that the winner of Brock and Carwin should be #1 but I just wouldnt be surprised to see Werdum ahead of Cain… well then JDS would have to be ahead of Cain. IDK it really is a mess now.
by xbuckeyex05 on Jun 28, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
and once Roy beats JDS, we’ll be all set
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
um no, werdum doesn’t jump to #1 from that lol
maybe top five; hard to put him over JDS though I guess
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
yea, I was thinking personally:
Brock
Shane (depending on outcome of fight next week of course)
Cain
JDS
Werdum
Fedor
Overeem
Mir
Nog
etc…
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think you rank Werdum that high just b/c he beat Fedor. I’d prefer to see him perform either against Fedor again or against Overeem before I got crazy like that. Sorry, but beating Fedor; who was listed as number one pretty much for not losing any fights the last few years after being the best three years ago doesn’t make you the best fighter in the world. Personally I’d still rank fedor higher than him, but I know everyone shifts them up when the loss is to that person.
JDS beat Werdum too. And I still think Half those guys beat Werdum in the UFC.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
But I think that is what we will see.
Edgar moved to number one even though he had a loss to Maynard. This is pretty much the same deal.
I don’t see why it’s so hard to rank him above JDS. He just beat the #1 HW in the world. That’s better than anything JDS has done.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
He wasn’t a couple hours ago.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It’s MMAMath Richard, you cannot dispute it.
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Like hell I can’t.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
And my only argument was Werdum wasn’t deserving to be ranked higher at that point. Now I can’t say that.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I just really hope people aren’t writing off Fedor after that loss.
Are you kidding? There were people writing him off when he was on a 27-fight win streak and had been the virtually-across-the-board consensus #1 heavyweight in the world for years. At this rate there’ll be people saying he couldn’t take Justin McCully.
I think everyone realized Werdum was dangerous on the ground; but I would say we were concerned how sloppy Fedor would be to fall into something like this. But when some of you guys build up every opponent of Fedor, hanging your hat on labeling Werdum as dangerous kinda loses something.
He won the only way he probably could have against an opponent many of us have been arguing is over rated (weird as that sounds and as many heads as that will explode)
Almost no one was pointing out this was a very dangerous fight for Fedor. It’s OK to give Nate and I our moment…
…oh, and Fabricio too I guess…
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol… don’t quit your day-job because your a lousy comedian.
by moonlapse88 on Jun 27, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Im not convinced Santos-Finney
was dangerous for cyborg. That was a brutal beatdown if I ever saw one.
Train hard, fight smarter.
Finney found her chin a few times, had she not been fighting out of her weightclass, she’d put quite a few girls lights out with those shots.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What, those were like the two out of the three articles on Fedor you guys did.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, Fedor made some glaring errors in that fight. First, he should have taken a moment to make sure Werdum was actually in trouble, not just flopping to guard a la Leites. Second, he should have spun around Werdum’s legs to side control so he could deliver more effective strikes and avoid his guard altogether. Third, he should have tried some sort of effective triangle escape. It seemed like he didn’t even really try at all. Machida’s triangle escape against Tito probably would have worked there.
Fedor should have brought in top level BJJ guys to train with for this fight. But he insists on sticking with his old partners Voronov, Sidelnikov, etc. who are nowhere near Werdum’s level on the ground. It’s one thing to train for and survive Nog’s guard, but Werdum is on another level.
Lastly, Fedor should have played it safe and turned it into a pure striking match. Werdum’s “improved Muay Thai” is still pretty horrible and nothing that would phase Fedor.
Fedor simply made too many mistakes and paid the price.
by Flying Gogoplata on Jun 27, 2010 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Good write-up as always.
But still, this is a BIG upset, just glad Fedor didnt lose to a dick-head!!
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Only it will be a knee, and no head would be left
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by Thats It For you! on Jun 28, 2010 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions
good thing nobody was punching back on that completely exposed dos santos chin.
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You mean as he was KTFO Werdum?
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Haters goin hate, Don’t feed the trolls.
by moonlapse88 on Jun 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
A few inches away from a different result.
I don’t know why people think this “exposes Werdum.” If tonight shows us anything, it tells us that anyone can lose to a fellow world class fighter.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It just seems kinda silly to say “Wow that KO puch was risky.” He knocked him out!
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
it was risky. obviously… look at the gif and where his chin is, you idiots.
dos santos is still one of my favorite fighters.
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Was calling people idiots really necesary?
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he’s just mad.
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Let's move on...
Dude’s chin is pointing straight in the air. Nuff said.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
and he’s leading with his wide open chin, his left hand is not protecting his face and he is winding up an uppercut from his knee…jds needs to tighten his shit up
For the record though, he’s tightened his striking up quite a bit since that fight. He fought real careful with Crocop, so I think they aimed to spruce up his technique a bit so he’s not so open while attacking. There’s no way to defend it here though, good KO, but bad technique.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Gregs123
Sure the gif reveals something of his chin being exposed..
But I would like to point out that the gif is “slowed down” and the real time was lighting quick of a punch that floored Werdum..
I don’t think the fight illustrates a negative for Werdum as much as it does a positive for JDS.. JDS has hand speed that mimics professional boxers.. He’s MUCH quicker than that slowed down gif leads you to believe..
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by MMAuthority on Jun 27, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Not really, a better striker would not have been so easily KO’ed by a strike so wild, as he’d be quicker to find the opening and make it work to his advantage. Thats the point he’s making, and it’s quite valid.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Gah, thank you, the KO was great, but the hail mary uppercut has ended many a fighter who threw it.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoop-a-dee-do. On with life, like…that thing…the present time?
Congrats Werdum.
by moonlapse88 on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Not trying to belittle Werdum, he just won me money, I’m happy as hell for him.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I just won $1275 yay!
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Watch the gif
Werdum was throwing a right hand at him and missed.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if the Fedor loss could have a similar effect to Stikeforce as the Kimbo loss was for Elite XC?
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Nope
Some people will tell you differently, but Strikeforce didn’t but all their eggs in that basket.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
thank god
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by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That's also a no
Perhaps as a promotional entity in North America but they are pretty well established in Asia and eastern Europe.
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ok well at least in the US
Fedor was pretty much 99% of their drawing power in the US, he’s still a great fighter, but he doesn’t have that aura of invincibility that they were flaunting around. Please don’t think of me as a hater, I love Fedor, just don’t like M-1
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it was the cage
Watch the fight again. When Werdum went for the triangle, Fedor tried to get out of it but pressed up against the cage. I’ve watched it like 10 times now.
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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 27, 2010 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Fedor committed a seemingly rookie mistake
Horrible tactical error – HOW could Fedor, perhaps the smartest fighter ever, just leave his arm dangling in between his legs for so long – he even had a chance to take it out…
could it be? Is he…is he…human?
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Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Problem is he pursued Werdum when Fabricio was playing possum. He just didn’t respect him enough. Should have read BE!
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s true, still though, when he jumped in Nogueria’s guard, Fedor seemed more elusive. He claimed in the post interview that he was concentrating too much on striking and made judgemental errors – which leads back to what you said though – didn’t respect him enough. I’m just thinking any decent bjj practitioner would have trapped that arm just hanging like delicious bait.
Never jump into the dry guard of a BJJ world champ.
Maybe Fedor’s aura (sp?) got the better of him?
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
There will never be another like him.
Oh come on……this sport is so young its appalling to say something like that. In fact no matter how old a sport is people always surpass greatness and re-define what great is. They re-define everything that matters. Greatness always changes.
Appalling? The whole point is that getting a record like Fedor’s in THIS SPORT, is nuts. People get caught, fight sick, get old, or just flat out lose, usually before they even get to 10 fights…what Fedor did is going to be extremely hard to duplicate.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 27, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
No kidding.
Seriously, props to Fedor considering this is MMA and anything can happen. And it did. In 2010. Wow.
Appalling
Your post is flamboyantly appalling. Fedor is unique, like a snowflake. Who else will ever captivate us with sweaters, ice cream, and ass kicking?
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Chances are
The sport is deep enough that we’ll never see anyone go 25-0 at any kind of upper echelon ever again.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Every record gets broken
Good lord you people have no value of records. Unbreakable records get broken on every sport…ones that have been around for hundreds of years longer than mma. See baseball or soccer
by banter on Jun 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This guy says..
You can kiss his Yankee ass.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Ichiro can do it!
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
by RolloTomasi on Jun 27, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
didnt fedor lose once before so why didnt they keep saying fedor hadnt lost before this. he lost in contraversial way but he still lost
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He lost a fight to an illegal strike. That’s not a real loss.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions
not only was it an illegal strike
it was during a tournament where a winner had to be named, even though it would have been a NC in a non-tournament setting.
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Fedor lost that..
Can’t believe he just sat in his guard like that. Fully expected him to keep it standing. He he never went to the ground, he would have won that.
Whats next? Fedors next opponent….i feel really bad for.
I don’t even think Werdum realizes he won yet.
I agree. I was screaming at him to jump out once he freed himself from the first attempt. But he didn’t. Pride is the greatest sin of all.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
cool photo.
as soon as he got the hold just BARELY in place… i thought “bjj world champ, you are screwed, fedor or no fedor” ….. sure enough. there’s no magic defense against that shit.
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Yeah that was very impressive..soon as I saw him in that i was like " OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD" although im sure everyone else was doing that also.
I hope it lights a fire under Fedor’s ass to not retire after his contract and to continue competing. He is still the greatest in my eyes.
I didn't believe Werdum would finish him
even when Fedor’s head was going purple.
…and then he tapped.
early warning sign
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by GregS123 on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love braggart's...
I knew that there was a reason that I like you Snowden… :)
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
It was implied in the article above...
but does anyone think that Werdum faked getting knocked down to bait Fedor into his guard?
If so, pure fucking genius.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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Agreed. We’ve had our differences, but Fedor got sloppy and paid for it.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
i don’t know if he really ‘faked’ getting knocked down, so much as he’s a guy who will gladly fall down. that’s home for him.
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by Damon O. on Jun 27, 2010 12:52 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This is a great comment, my initial reaction was instant sadness. Then I said exactly what you did…what a great fucking sport.
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by WeaponElDeem on Jun 27, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Snowden, that was a classy article. Once again, the sport proves no man can beat it.
It’s how you come back that matters. Hopefully Fedor still has the fire and comes back, this time without his management jerking him around and delaying the fight for months.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
:) on a serious note, that silva/chonan situation was always a bit surreal. i think there was a bit of a sean salmon thing going on there.
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Nah, he got cocky. Just like Fedor did. No man is perfect, and pride is the greatest sin of all.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions
He didn’t get cocky, he had a blown out ankle but took the fight cuz he needed $$$
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
Feel free to excuse this one too. Your idol has lost. That’s okay. As Fedor proved tonight, it happens to the best in this sport.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s such a long nickname—can we just call him the “Fedor Killer” and call his record Fedors 0 — Werdum 2
I take back everything I said about Werdum and gladly admit that I was an idiot in doubting his bjj. All hail my new favorite fighter Fabricio Werdum, you my friend are officially my hero for not only tapping out Fedor but destroying m1. I bow to your greatness and no matter what happens for the rest of your career i’m riding with you all the way congrats.
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by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
100% Agreed.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
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Hey, by the way, Razreshat and Nightwhistler, I’d like to take this opportunity to say I’ve enjoyed sparring with you in other threads. My brother is LordJimbo2 and he expresses his admiration as well, as well as his apologies for when he attacked too mindlessly. You guys are passionate, and we all want to see the sport grow and evolve. I hope to see you in several more threads.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Werdum proved me 100% wrong
There is always a grappler’s chance, and he used the perfect game plan.
What everyone has always loved about Fedor was his willingness to beat people at their own game. Werdum figured out how to exploit that and pulled it off perfectly. Brilliant.
by Lauren J Darkbloom on Jun 27, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly. Now we know why Silva ran away from Maia and GSP sat on Dan Hardy.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember who told me it was a good fight?
Umm… you might have said it and I know you’re proud. But anyone who said it was a bad fight is dumb. Werdum has the best BJJ in the division if not the sport.
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Now that thats out of the away, Congrats Fabricio.
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Well
Anyone who questions Fedor as the # 1 heavyweight is absolutely ridiculous. He’s slipped up once in 34 fights now and it cost him one win. IF Brock Lesnar could stay in his physical condition for the next 10 years. I promise you he’d slip up more than once. His record wouldn’t be 33-2. For all that Dana has done for the sport, he’s also ridiculed the sport’s best competitor of all time. I usually laugh at strikeforce, and I’m a huge UFC fan, but to even laugh about Fedor losing shows 000000 class. Congrats to Werdum, but Fedor is still the best. I still think he can come back with a few more fights and show that was one mistake. Question is, does he really want to? One mistake and people question him. He’s been in this fight game for a long time, I think you’re aloud to slip up every once in a while. Whether you’re a man, or you’re Fedor :D
Don’t get dragged down by Dana. He’s got his own world, and he’s going to have to start marketing Shane Carwin after next Saturday.
Fedor’s been incredible, and I’ve enjoyed watching him. I hope we get to see him fight three times a year now that Vadim’s power has been destroyed.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 27, 2010 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s certainly not the current #1.
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by Richard Wade on Jun 27, 2010 1:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
And if somebody can emerge from the UFC HW crop (current or future) and avoid the churn plaguing the LHW division, they wouldn’t really need a record of 33-2 to overtake Fedor as the best of all time either—due to consistency and strength of opposition.
I’d still have Fedor as the best HW thus far in MMA’s history, for whatever that’s worth.
That's not really debatable.
It’s just not.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
You are right, b/c many of us don’t think of him as that way even before tonight. We see him as the best of the HW div for a few years in pride. No more.
Many of you have bad opinions then.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that outlook. I think many of you have bad opinions too.
by JeremyShane on Jun 27, 2010 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is the best heavyweight of all time then?
Better come up with something good….
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Teila Tuli ??
LOL
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by MMAuthority on Jun 27, 2010 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
so fighting cans most your life does not count hmm never knew that
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by Patrick Tenney on Jun 27, 2010 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Bueno.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
We need to wait for the sport to develope for another 10-20 years before we crown a GOAT.
USMC vet. MMA nut. Fedor tapped in 69 seconds.....deal with it.
Pain don't hurt...
There is always a Greatest of All Time
How can there not be? It may fluctuate, but someone has to be the best up to a given point. Right now,it is clearly Fedor.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 27, 2010 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
And people talk like wreslters are taking over the sport…
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
One of them is about to take the #1 heavyweight slot…
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I hope it’s the wrestler with hilarious post fight antics
by JayW on Jun 27, 2010 2:48 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
How long do you think Fedor is going to stay on the sidelines? I dont think he is washed up man, he could take back his number one spot easily.
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Only if he comes to the UFC. Winning a rematch and beating Overeem still wouldn’t surpass the UFC champ.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If he actually came to the UFC and won his way to the HW belt it would be the most rediculous arc ever
We’d have to write the goddamn Fedor book all over again
Well...
Basically what it comes down to is that Fedor isn’t Anderson Silva. Whether Werdum really got dropped or was trying to (deceptively) pull guard, Fedor followed the BJJ expert to the ground rather than keeping the fight where his opponent didn’t stand much of a chance.
And I say this as a huge fan of both Fedor and Anderson Silva (they are two of my favorite fighters).
I believe Overeem will KO Werdum like Dos Santos did in less than five minutes. Yes, Werdum beat Fedya and no one can take that away from him, but he’ll never be a great mma fighter.
Yes, Werdum beat him, but that “enhanced” size will greatly help him in the rematch (if it happens). And to all you who keep claiming “Overeem will lose, he already lost,” this is not always the case or a viable argument as we see GSP vs Matt Hughes, Matt Hughes armbars GSP first, GSP strikes back a head kick and ground and pound, and then returns with an armbar of his own. Also, Jens Pulver decisions BJ Penn, then BJ Penn whoops his ass and RNCs him.
I saw the first piece as a Skip Bayless contrarian job
because I’m pretty sure the only people who wanted to see a Fedor Verdum fight more than a Fedor AO fight was basically nobody.
But good call.
Fuck Skip Bayless
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t seen the fight yet but it looks in the pictures and reads in the reports that Werdum fought a smart fight,coaxing Fedor into his guard and making him think he had hurt it.Werdum’s face looked very alert as he was going down from the punches.
It also sounds like Fedor fought a pretty dumb fight.
Congratulations to Werdum.
They had a short exchange and Fab lost his footing
I think he got hit by 1 punch and the rest missed, but I think he dropped to his back on reaction. Fedor came in and Fab got an arm fast and transitioned to the triangle ftw.
Props to Nate and Snowden for their defense of Werdum...
Even I was discounting his chances to the point of wondering why bother have them fight in the first place. Just another reminder – anything can happen, and everyone has a chance come fight time.
by Hardcase on Jun 27, 2010 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You and Kid Nate
did a great job giving Werdum his respect.
Well done.
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