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Chael Sonnen Beats Down MMA Writer, Leaks Transcript


In the Red Corner, we have Jon Lane, a features writer for MMAJunkie and Fight! Magazine, among other outlets. And in the Blue Corner, the self-appointed King of Kayfabe, UFC middlleweight title challenger Chael Sonnen. Here is what happens when Lane submits a bizarre, inscrutable, 1000 word question sheet to Sonnen:

Jon Lane: The story opened with an oath you made to your dying father to become a world champion. The chance is coming and barring any injury there’s no denying it this time. You’re in the main event of UFC 117, the organization’s debut in Oakland, and all you have to do is defeat someone considered one of the top if not the best pound-for-pound fighter in the world. I get the impression you’re one to never allow the magnitude of an opportunity to overcome you, so how are you taking this in stride – or perhaps more accurately facing it dead on.

Chael : You ask pretty long questions pal, i lost you about half way through.

Jon Lane: To reiterate, all you have to do is defeat Anderson Silva. What does Anderson Silva have to do? This is more than just a title defense to him. Dana White put him on notice to compete in light of the stunt he pulled at UFC 112 and MMA fans, many of whom were unhappy and disappointed in the Spider, are expecting excellence.

Chael : You seem to be asking and answering questions at the same. I'm not sure where i fit in. You seem to be doing a great job on your own.

Star-divide

Jon Lane : You’ve been quoted on the record that you have a moral obligation to beat Silva up. In terms of having to overcome perhaps the sport’s most talented and gifted athlete and the vibe he gives off that he’s in charge and owns the Octagon, can you crack his aura? And how?

Chael : zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.. what?

Jon Lane: You said this: "[Silva is] really good, he’s really effective, and he’s as unpleasing to watch as grass growing. That’s why they called me to get rid of this cancer of the company." Why have you adopted the villain role in MMA? Your strong words directed at Silva the past four years, combined with your ascension to the No. 1 contender’s spot, gives off the impression that you’re playing the part of the heel. Why? Is part of it to better sell a fight?

Chael: Are they paying you by the word? If so, I'll send you a check myself to cover whatever they are paying you to ask me shorter questions.

Jon Lane: Is Silva, despite his incredible talent and what's still a strong following, slowly becoming a fighter a lot of fans would like to see lose?

I’m sure you’ve been asked too many times to count, "Are you ready?" You’ve counted by saying, "I’m not ready, it’s just my turn." What’s the difference?


Chael: If I've answered that questions already, then why are you asking? I have no idea what you are trying to ask...

Jon Lane : The winner of this fight gets Victor Belfort. You and the Phenom are two examples of how despite suggestions that Silva will move to light-heavyweight after he cleans out the middleweight division, that may not necessarily the case. My last story was on how the lightweight division was blown up by Frankie Edgar’s win over B.J. Penn. The fighters I spoke to took exception to any suggestion that Penn cleaned out the division even though he hadn’t lost since 2002. How do you react to whenever you hear that Silva is unstoppable, unbeatable and my eventually be better suited for a move up to 205?

Chael: I'll have a Venti Iced Mocha and an almond biscotti.

Jon Lane: You can change the course of the middleweights by knocking off Silva. Have you fully grasped the opportunity of become a champion and defeating one of the all-time greats and having that much of an impact on the future of the division and the sport?

Chael: No

Jon Lane : You’re 3-0 since Damian Maia last February. What did you learn from that last defeat?

CHael: Do you think I should get a puppy?

Jon Lane: Since the loss to Jeremy Horn at UFC 60 you told Fight you "didn’t deal with stuff right" and thought of quitting. Sessions with sports psychologist Ed Versteeg put you back on the right path. What was that ‘stuff’ and how did Dr. Versteeg recalibrate you?

Chael: Here's a clue - Albert Hoffman / Sandoz Laboratories / Owlsley Stanley III / Jerry / "Box of Rain"

Jon Lane : You won your next five fights and are 10-2 –the loss to Maia and the disputed first Filho fight the only setbacks. Over the years you’ve developed a bit of a mean streak. Is it one you can control?

Chael : No

Jon Lane : The win over Nate Marquardt was arguably your best since you took a rising star completely off his game, but the price was hard. There was the cut on the bridge of your nose. You were quoted saying that guillotine choke late in the third round was "one of the most horrible experiences of my life." It was hell getting out of bed and the kicker was you were offered a chance at Silva last month when Victor Belfort was forced to pull out, but there was no way you were able to fully prepare having to overcome those aches and pains. Whatever doesn’t kill a fighter makes him stronger. How did you emerge from that entire ordeal stronger even though you walked out of Las Vegas that night a winner?

Chael : I really don't think you need me for this interview, I'm happy to help, but you can just divide your question in half and have the 1st par serve as the questions and the 2nd part serve as the answer. Is my Venti Mocha here yet?

Jon Lane : Your distain (if that’s an accurate word) for Silva is well-documented. Silva took a ton of abuse from the media and fans for his shenanigans. The performance was called an embarrassment and a complete lack of respect and class for his opponent and the sport. Watching that were you seething, telling yourself I’m going to ram this clown into the mat and beat the ego out of him?

Chael : See previous answer

Jon Lane : What if Silva tries doing that at your expense in August? If he has you in position where he can end the fight and walk away as the better man, but instead chooses to dance and make the fight a mockery, what will you do?

CHael :I will call you into the ring to bore him to death with rambling inane questions.

Jon Lane : Obviously you have no intention of letting it come down to that. Silva’s skills are on another planet and it’ll be your turn to do what nobody has done since January 20, 2006. He’s like Georges St. Pierre in that he makes observers wonder, "What on earth does one have to do to defeat him?" How do you intend to be the man who finally brings the Spider to his knees?

Chael : Planet, skills, St. Pierre, knees, yeah! Wait....What? Wheres my biscotti?

[Following Correspondence:]

Hey Chael,

I do appreciate your honesty. My goal as a reporter is to ask in-depth questions that allow me to tell a story beyond a story, and have conducted previous telephone and e-mail interviews with the same approach. I apologize if I lost you, so would it help if I trimmed it down to the basics? I do need you for the interview. I read the story in Fight on you, the insights you provided, and know I too can make it work.

I owe you a Venti Mocha and will throw in an almond biscotti. Your time is valuable so let me know how I can make things easier. Perhaps a phone conversation?

Best,

Jon Lane

===================================================================================


Jon....

You accomplished your goal of telling a story all right.....
I'm not certain why, at this point, you would want to modify anything. You had time (LOTS of time, apparently) to prepare your questions, and they represent you; they...DEFINE you. My answers define me too. I'm happy and satisfied with the interview as it stands. You may recall on more than one occasion during the (comparatively brief) "answer" segments of our interview that I mentioned that you seemed to have it all covered; I really didn't have any place to fit in, and my attempts apparently didn't satisfy you. The reason my answers didn't satisfy you is because YOU didn't say them; they actually take time and space away from points YOU want to make. So I did the interview in good faith, I spent time on it in an effort to be courteous, but it was an insurmountable task to approach the standards of verbosity and loquaciousness that you set; you simply set the bar too high, and expected more from me (as far as the simple raw tonnage of words you employ, which constitute a form of "journalism" I cannot accomodate) than I could possibly supply. I'm comfortable with that; I'm NOT a journalist, but I'm willing to stand behind my answers. As a Journalist, please have the courage to stand behind your questions. I await publication of the interview "en toto", and if I do not see it, I will post both the interview and this post-interview correspondence (both mine AND yours) as my own, admittedly, imperfect, form of "journalism".

Chael Sonnen

In the next MMA Worldwide Magazine I will publish portions of your fan Q&A and our 2009 interview. And thank goodness for spell check :-)

Jon Lane

 

===================================================================================



It seems to me you're not getting it, Jon. Let me make this absolutely CRYSTAL CLEAR for you. You contacted me, and requested an interview. You GOT one. I took the time to read your rambling, unfocused, semi-coherent questions, and answered them. You have CONSISTENTLY DODGED the question of whether or not you will publish it. And I should remind you, Jon, that in this age of the Internet, NOTHING GOES AWAY. NOTHING. You can not, and WILL NOT, since I WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO, bury or ignore what YOU wrote, or what I wrote. I have enjoined you repeatedly and asked you whether or not you plan on publishing it, ALL OF IT. If NOT, I WILL. It EXISTS. You can acknowledge it,and find a way to accommodate it, or turn your back on it; in which case, it will lock its jaws around you and start swallowing. As sure as night follows day, your words will find you out.

-Chael Sonnen

 

Obviously, given that you are reading this right now, Sonnen made good on his promise to leak the transcript of their conversation. I'll admit, I had grown tired of his contrived boasting in the media, but this stunt makes me see Chael in a whole new light. He isn't simply a pest, he's one of the most innovative workers in MMA. By dressing down this Jon Lane character publicly, but in genuine terms, Sonnen has evoked the classic interview promos of great pro wrestling heels. This is post-modern MMA kayfabe at it's best.

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This is beautiful.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 8:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Is English Jon Lane's first language?

I’m asking it seriously. If not it would explain a great deal.

If it is, then those were horribly worded questions AND Chael was being an ass. And then Chael made himself even more of an ass.

With each day I think that Chael may have some mental health issues that are mounting and/or substance stuff going on.

It’s one thing to mock poorly worded questions, it’s another to CAPS LOCK AGGRESSIVELY DEMAND that it be published. Pretty quick on the rage there Mr. Sonnen, hmmm, I wonder why.

by Django Z on Jun 24, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

django z hits the nail on the head

If Jon Lane’s first language is English, he has a real issue with word-order and sentence structure. Granted, Chael was a total ass, but still…he makes me think he may have asbergers or something.

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice stuff

am I the only one that caught Chael’s LSD reference?

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by Kid Nate on Jun 22, 2010 8:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Not at all. I like Chael more and more.

by Shatto1 on Jun 22, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I picked up on that too :)

by brad23 on Jun 22, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got it on Box of Rain, one of the few Dead songs I like

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol sounds about right

that was hilarious, Chael has completely lost his filter. He just says whatever the fuck is on his mind now.

by Electro Boy on Jun 22, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tom Cruise

all over again – but noone to hold an intervention and get him help.

This will end badly for Mr. Sonnern.

by Django Z on Jun 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOVE IT!!

This whole post is freaking hilarious. I am officially in love with Chael Sonnen.

by Razzel on Jun 23, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get the impression you’re one to never allow the magnitude of an opportunity to overcome you, so how are you taking this in stride – or perhaps more accurately facing it dead on.

…holy fucking christ

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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 22, 2010 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Translation: Mmmm, these farts smell like cotton candy

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is too good to be fake.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

so basically he’s just being mocked for trying to write too proper?

by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 22, 2010 9:09 PM EDT reply actions  

refer to Brent's post ^ and tell me that isn't a ridiculous question.

I feel like this should be filmed with Sasha Cohen as Jon Lane

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by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

indeed. that is a completely retarded question.

by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a difference between too proper

and completely nonsensical and circuitous. As well as not actually asking questions…i mean christ

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s being mocked for trying to write 20 points above his IQ.

Bill Shakespeare wrote: “Brevity is the sould of wit.”. Translation: DON’T WASTE MY FUCKIN’ TIME! If you have something to say, spit it out without trying to sound like a smartass. In your mind you may think you sound like an english professor, but instead you come off like Tito Ortiz.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s being mocked for trying to write 20 points above his IQ.

That is the bubonic plague of the interwebs

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

IQ is a bad predictor of writing skill.

But your point is otherwise well taken.

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by Sabate on Jun 24, 2010 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 23, 2010 2:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't kill me

“write too proper” is irony about the fact that his writing isn’t up to the task, am I right?

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by spectaa on Jun 24, 2010 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m going to break into Chael’s house and steal his Caps Lock key.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

oh wow

I think this scared me away from ever interviewing Chael Sonnen.

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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 22, 2010 9:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Really? I’m not a journalist but this made me want to write up even more ridiculous questions and sending them to Chael.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

ehh

I tend to get wordy with my written questions too, I would probably come off as a huge douche if a fighter pulled something like that with me, especially because I would likely lose my temper. I thought Jon Lane stayed pretty composed despite how Sonnen was treating him.

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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 23, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very few fighters would ever respond like this (one of the benefits of being an MMA fan). Chael is an interesting cat.

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by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

And now to chael

who is the most interesting middleweight…of the night.

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

As sure as night follows day, your words will find you out.

I bet you can tell us a lot about that from personal experience. How is that House of Reps race going now that those embarrasing tweets are velcroed to you for eternity?

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

honestly, I really doubt he dropped out because of the tweets.

by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 22, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I’m a gangster from Oregon”… “Anderson, [Chael Sonnen’s next MMA opponent] you are going to be on your back more than a pornstar with a mortgage”… and what I find most offensive “Ed [a Brazilian American MMA manager], pray to whatever Demon effigy you prance and dance in front of with your piglet tribe of savages that I decide not to CRUCIFY you.”

That’s not what you want to have floating around if you’re trying to convince the Republican Party to dump money into your campaign to get you elected.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he dropped out due to a pending law suit or something along those lines.

by John Lamb on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant...

That’s he’s not a gangster from oregon. IE: Chris Leben with corn rows? i do believe that was in the same tweet as the math teacher line too. damn you and your 140 characters twitter.

by TannerMatthews on Jun 23, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is quite possibly true.Then again,he needs to know his subject better before asking questions.You don’t need big,flowing questions with Sonnen.He’ll do the work for you.Simple,short and to the point questions would have given him,at the very worst,a good Sonnen interview-rarely does Sonnen fail to deliver.Instead,Lane basically sent a 75% finished article to Sonnen,and wanted him to fill in the blanks.That doesn’t fly.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bullshit

There is no justification for this. If he didn’t want to do the interview he didn’t have to. But this was unacceptable.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I can't believe how many people on this site and everywhere else actually like Sonnen.

He is a troll of the worst kind. You want to bash Anderson Silva that’s fine because he’ll have to answer for that at UFC 117 but I agree with you, this is just not cool.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 22, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

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by Kid Nate on Jun 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. that was my reaction too

I felt bad for Lane, but Chael was funny.

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by Gobroks on Jun 23, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is an old saying in show business. “Be nice to the people you meet on the way up because they are the same people you are going to meet on the way down.”

If Chael gets blown up by Silva how flattering do you think Lane’s story will be? Chael is digging his own grave with that stuff. It’s one thing to smack talk your opponent. It’s another thing to be an ass hat to every one every where.

by j.villain on Jun 23, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, it was definitely unprofessional

and Chael does come off looking like an ass. That said I did find it funny

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by Gobroks on Jun 23, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you think that now Jon Lane is going to write a unflattering story about Sonnen to get back at him and Sonnen would care about that? I don’t really see wher Chael is “digging his own grave” by calling out a reporter for sending him stupid interview questions, I mean it was a dick move and all but for some reason I don’t think it’s going to have that drastic of an effect (besides getting fewer interview request and better written questions on the ones he does get).

by who me on Jun 23, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

chael was rude

but jon lane’s questions were silly. i mean…come on man.

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on, I’m sure you can appreciate the unintentional comedy of a question like this:

Jon Lane : Your distain (if that’s an accurate word) for Silva is well-documented. Silva took a ton of abuse from the media and fans for his shenanigans. The performance was called an embarrassment and a complete lack of respect and class for his opponent and the sport. Watching that were you seething, telling yourself I’m going to ram this clown into the mat and beat the ego out of him?

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did they surgically remove your sense of humor at law school?

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were things he could have done if he wanted to take the wind out of Jon’s sails. This just didn’t work. Stale and repetitive jokes. Thumbs down.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

you mad. He shouldn’t have asked his questions in such a ridiculous way and then answered them in the same fashion.

by Electro Boy on Jun 22, 2010 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Chael didn’t like the questions he shouldn’t have done the interview. What a tough guy bully…so witty he brings a single joke to the table for each and every response. What a jerk.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate you Snowden and you hate me

but I’m glad I’m not the only one that thought Chael was being a dick, although his original answers were pretty funny.

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by Fake Emcee on Jun 22, 2010 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you convinced we hate each other?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Because it’s the Internet.

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by Tonley on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m laughing hysterically as I make my way through this thread.

by Razzel on Jun 23, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

And if he would have turned down the interview,you would have gotten on him for not living up to his duties as a big mouth fighter by attracting attention to himself then shutting down interviewers.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he had turned down the interview no one would have known. Had he sent Jon the initial response, that would have been douchey but fine. Publishing private correspondence is an iffy move though.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So an interview can only be published if the one giving the interview is satisfied with the answers?

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What kind of question is that? It’s unrelated. Chael is a public figure and consented to be interviewed. Jon Lane did not give his permission to use personal correspondence. You think that was a Q+A style interview intended to be used in its entirety. It was clear Lane was writing a feature and would be picking and choosing what fit his story.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

That would have been way kinder. How is it more forgiving to humiliate him in public?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although if I was having a bad day and Lane had wasted my time with these interviews, I would drop the hammer hard.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not as if Chael isn’t busy these days.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He clearly isn’t. He put at least an hour’s work into this.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

You act like Sonnen just did this because he was pissed and that it wasn’t a calculated move to further his “troll” persona.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it was both.

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll buy that.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention that after doing dozens of interviews and Q&As, Sonnen is probably getting pretty punchy over the entire process. Not that I’m saying he wasn’t inconsiderate to leak this transcript, but in his mind, perhaps this is him doing a public service to consumers of MMA journalism.

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can’t really say that until you see the final product.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Did you read the same questions that I did?

I’d be scared to see what final product could possibly come out of that.

by jhf884 on Jun 23, 2010 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which Snowden is arguing would be better.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason I think it’s related is this hypothetical: I receive a list of questions for an interview. I respond. The person I respond to – for WHATEVER reason – doesn’t like it and intimates that it will either be culled or dropped completely, simply because I didn’t feel like trying again with different questions.

At that point, I think the questions – and the answers I provided – are mine to do with what I please. Sending out an e-mail full of interview questions is a little different than personal correspondence – maybe Chael crossed the line by posting those too, but I have no problem with him not sitting on his responses. They’re his to publish as soon as the questions get to him.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t agree. Even allowing that, the email responses were not part of an interview. Maybe I can talk Jon into a lawsuit for fun?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking the sooner he lets this die, the better.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Tapout had any balls they’d make sure Sonnen paid a price for disrespecting their guy. But a fighter has to be protected at all times in MMA….

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

To clarify, you mean the disrespect of posting the transcript, right? Because I didn’t think the actual content of the transcript was all that disrespectful. This was the only really biting line from Sonnen:

I will call you into the ring to bore him to death with rambling inane questions.

Other than that, he allowed Lane to hang himself with his own ridiculous writing style.

I don’t want to beat up on the guy too much, but as a media-critical MMA fan, I am glad Sonnen leaked this. And really, if this is typical of Lane’s output, perhaps he needs a bit of a kick in the ass to wake him up.

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is the posting of the transcript that bothered me. If he wants to be an asshole in his interpersonal interactions, that is his business.

By the way that is “not typical of Lane’s output” because that is not output. He’s attempting to garner responses he will use to create a story. That’s not “output.”

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Lane should learn how to conduct a proper interview then,instead of sending a 75% finished feature peice to Sonnen and going,“Here,fill in the blanks my good man.”

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

When you write for MMA Junkie, FIGHT, and others you can be sure to school him on how it should be done.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did he send such an abortion of an interview to Sonnen in the first place then,if he’s such a great writer?

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who knows what would have come from this?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know anything about Lane, but him writing for MMA Junkie and Fight! Magazine aren’t exactly glowing credentials about your ability to write.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 23, 2010 2:56 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Of course I mire this statement in a very poorly worded sentence.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 23, 2010 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

And you don’t need to be a sanitation worker to know shit when you see it.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's a completely shit argument and you know it

It’s the same as the people who bleat that MMA journos have no right to critique fighters coz they’ve never stepped in the cage. That doesn’t make sense and neither does saying that we can’t critisise Lane’s journalism coz we’re not journos ourselves

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by Mattyjudo on Jul 21, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, but I read some of his other work. It is mostly in the same “I love to read my own writing” style. And clearly, he put a lot of energy into this question sheet. I don’t think he would have written 900 words replete with tagential personal anecdotes if he wasn’t going to print those questions… which is why this transcript is so bizarre to me in the first place. Was he trying to impress Sonnen?

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

How fucking hard is it to get interview gold out of Sonnen?Ask him simple,straight forward questions,and sit back and enjoy the ride.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please tell me you’re kidding about the lawsuit.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had the same question

I’m a crafty lawyer but I’ll drawing blanks here.

Being overrated is overrated.

by bobby g on Jun 23, 2010 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No offense...but you must not be that crafty

I mean privacy and even possibly copyright issues pop up immediately. I’m not sure it’s a winner, but someone posting a private email to the world is not a natural consequence of the correspondence. Of course, what state Lane is in, etc will be a major factor in any privacy case.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice try

You find me an attorney who will push “copyright” or “privacy” claims in this instance and I’ll show you an attorney who will get Rule 11’d out of court. You should know better.

Being overrated is overrated.

by bobby g on Jun 24, 2010 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like how you put “privacy” and “copyright” in quotes like they aren’t real things. Of course no one is suing here. If you did, it would be a nuisance suit, timed to harass Sonnen before a fight. Because he’s a dick.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 24, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

quotes

Actually, he put “copyright” and “privacy” in quotes because he was quoting you. And I agree with him that those are ridiculous arguments to make in this case.

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by thetakeover on Jun 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

As takeover insinuates below, I put them in quotes because you used the terms. You could have used the phrases “intentional infliction of emotional distress” or “trespass to chattel” and I would have quoted them. Just because somebody can physically file a lawsuit doesn’t make a case. Any attorney that filed a “copyright” or “privacy” lawsuit (and yes, there I go quoting it again because the idea that one would sue under privacy or copyright laws would be insane) over something like this would get his client, if not himself, sanctioned. This would make for a perfect anti-SLAPP motion in California, and would subject the losing party to attorneys’ fees under the Copyright Act. I’ve gotten sanctions over far more innocuous, yet ridiculous, lawsuits.

I think you’ve backed off or clarified your original comments about a lawsuit so this is probably a moot discussion, but especially as a journalist, you should understand that these facts don’t give rise to a privacy or copyright suit anymore than they’d give rise to a trespass suit.

Being overrated is overrated.

by bobby g on Jun 24, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for adding this...

…to a discussion you’ve deemed moot.

That’s certainly an unusual way to quote something. More typically that is used to indicate you are using the words “ironically.”

I don’t agree this is as meritless as you claim. Jon clearly included the outlines of his article here (which Chael knew was Jon’s, as he mentioned over and over again in his response) and it was published without his consent. At what point would you deem it inappropriate for Chael to publish Jon’s work product?

You can email me the answer if you’d like. As I’ve asked others no more here- we don’t need any further legal discussion of this issue. I talked to Jon, he’s moving on, and I explained yesterday that I didn’t seriously advocate a lawsuit.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 24, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please make it stop

Are people still going on about the lawsuit crap Snowden admitted was a joke a day and a half ago? Heck in the first post where he brought it up he said that it was:

a lawsuit for fun

For goodness sake can everyone stop the internet lawyer gibberish now? Please all of you just quit it, it was a moronic topic to start with and every single post about it has just made it all that much more silly.

by who me on Jun 24, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

What would he sue for?

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

nothing
there is nothing there to sue for

by JeremyShane on Jun 23, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats pretty much my feeling as well but I don’t practice tort law anymore.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 24, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

For doing what? Did he doctor the transcript or something?

by jhf884 on Jun 23, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is no lawsuit here

First amendment. Lane can print chael’s responses, and vis a verse.

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by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is not remotely what the First Amendment is about.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

First amendment

Makes it very hard to win an invasion of privacy or defamation case.

I took media law at Columbia j-school.

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by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are mixing all kinds of things together.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

ConLaw 101

The first amendment actually restricts the government’s ability to take certain actions, not private actors. With only a couple exceptions, the constitution restricts the government’s (which includes state and local governments, public schools, police officers, etc.) ability to take certain actions, not private actors. (most don’t know this, just an FYI).

by The Darkness on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Courts

Are also part of government

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by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please stop.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You should pay heed to his sig…

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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 23, 2010 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I love your MMA writing Jonathan, and have come to your defense several times in the comments, but advocating a lawsuit in this case is not only inappropriate but stupid. A writer asking for an interview doesn’t have an expectation of privacy and would likely be considered a (limited) public figure in this instance.

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by thetakeover on Jun 24, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Public figures and privacy law

Anybody interested in getting a basic idea of how the law works in this area should read this.

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by thetakeover on Jun 24, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

hey brah

he was just joking. Let it go. This convo has gone on way too long and it just comes off as a bunch of guys measuring their penis.

by Electro Boy on Jun 24, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

See if you can follow my conspiracy theory on this one...

Sonnen is a Republican…Republicans are against frivilous (sp?) lawsuits wasting the courts time…Sonnen gets sued frivilously….his campaign contributions go through the roof and presto-chango he’s back in the race!

It’s all part of his master plan to get sued by Lane & Snowden in an effort to revive his political career!!!

by Snatchl on Jun 24, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea you might want to take a few plays off champ

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 23, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Case law supports 1st amendment
The controlling precedent in the United States was set in 1964 by the United States Supreme Court in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan. It is considered a key decision in supporting the First Amendment and freedom of the press.

Wikipedia entry on Public Figure law

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by thetakeover on Jun 24, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is suing anyone.

"The best book on the real history of MMA that I've seen," Dave Meltzer

by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That follows from your post (ie, no suit has actually been filed), but what did you mean then by "Maybe I can talk Jon into a “lawsuit” for fun?" Were you saying that he should sue BloodyElbow? If you were suggesting that he should sue Sonnen, I think that’s a very poor, likely reputationally damaging move. If not, I stand corrected.

by The Darkness on Jun 23, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was kidding.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, a malfunction in my sarcasm detector. It’s happened before:)

by The Darkness on Jun 23, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, you know what's unacceptable?

The illiteracy and laziness of MMA “writers”. Ever read Coerfield? It’s one thing not to be able to write at a high school level; it’s another entirely not to use spell check or an editor of any sort. And Maggie Hendricks? God helps us, she writes like a tween reviewing a Twilight book.

This guy had no business submitting an interview questionnaire to a professional fighter.

This sport needs more writers like Wetzel and Passan covering it.

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by IKilled007 on Jul 22, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He may be a nice guy, but he writes questions like tool. Nothing wrong w/ that, unless you’re a journalist, of course.

by jhf884 on Jun 23, 2010 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Never send written questions

That is the real lesson here. Call him on the phone and this wouldn’t have happened and Lane would not have the same level of exposure.

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by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think being a nice guy matters all that much after the quality of your work. Those were terrible interview questions and I can see how Chael might think the guy already had his article written and was just looking for quotes to insert into it. Especially after the reply about using portions of the Q&A after asked if he would publish the interview.

by JeremyShane on Jun 23, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah,saying he was going to use portions of an old Q&A certainly threw up some red flags.Seems like he just wanted some Chael Sonnen quotes to go into his already finished piece.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this is a problem?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just might be something that irritated Chael if he had been burned recently by something or felt he might be by this guy. Combined with the horrible questions, sounding like you have an article already written and just want your subject to fall into place can come off a bit insulting and feel like a waste of time to them. Other than that, not a big deal I guess.

by JeremyShane on Jun 23, 2010 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.He wasn’t conducting a proper interview.He already had a completled article,and was looking for Chael to fill in the blanks for him.That’s garbage.This guy is supposed to be a trained journalist?I’m not even good enough to be considered a rank amature,and I know better than that.And when Chael didn’t give him what he wanted,he just went with an old Q&A to get the quotes he needed to finish his peice.So Chael was completley right-he wasn’t needed for the interview at all.Lane already knew what he wanted from the get go.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe Chris Crocker is available

to do a “Leave Lane alone” video.

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by IKilled007 on Jul 22, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed Sonnen's jawing while calling out Silva after the Maia fight...

but his arrogance is on another planet. Hopefully he STFU after 117.

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by donkeypunch on Jun 22, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Where is the link to this?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with Snowden 100%

Sonnen is, and has been, a tired act. This only furthers my negative opinion of him.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 22, 2010 10:20 PM EDT reply actions  

then you should enjoy Anderson crushing him

so it’s not all bad. Be thankful for that.

by Electro Boy on Jun 22, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

I am all about that. Too bad I am in grad school – Oakland is 40 minutes from me. I would like to watch in person.

Still, and I know this is irrational of me, but I get annoyed when people buy in to manufactured troll personalities. Seems like cheap heat. “Hmmm…I desperately need attention. I got it! I’ll be a dick!”

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Cheap heat sucks. Brock Lesnar acts the way he acts because that’s who he really is.
The good thing about cheap heat is that it dies quick so hopefully after Silva takes care of him this shit will come to an end.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

^This

I thought I like heels…I like Brock and Kos…somehow I don’t like Sonnen.

Know what else I like? Ellispses. I use those 3 dots all the fucking time, and it’s getting old…

by Snatchl on Jun 24, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was absolute greatness!

Arguing on the internet is like being in the special olympics, even when you win you are still retarded.

by dnevil001 on Jun 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a bit torn...

On one hand, the questions were absolutely too wordy, and too many statements rather than questions. I thought there was no way I’d share Chael’s feelings on the interview, but, yeah, some of those were difficult. Not all. Some were quite valid questions and worthy of being answered.

On the other, Chael is now, the biggest douche I’ve seen in MMA when it comes to handling a bad interview. Much of his griping was uncalled for. If he didn’t like it, send it right back with a message saying he didn’t feel the interview was worth his time, and move on. Instead he is very insulting, and juvenile. Professionalism was thrown out the window here.

I can dig the humor in it all, but it seems way to harsh. I’m just putting myself in the interviewer’s shoes, and I bet he felt crappy after reading that. I would.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 22, 2010 10:39 PM EDT reply actions  

This comment actually is pretty hilarious.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 22, 2010 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I met that in a laugh at kind of way. Jesus people stop recing.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recd just because you said not too. Sorry I hate being told what to do.

by Crazynutts on Jun 23, 2010 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then don't unrec it.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can appreciate that.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 23, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny since Jon is a trained journalist. Sorry the mighty Chael Sonnen was interrupted in the middle of racist tweets or his uber important job as a real estate agent. I guess that justifies any response he deems appropriate.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How do you become a trained journalist? Is there a test to take that makes you a certified journalist?

Keep Firing, Assholes!

Have you accepted BROCKLESNARRRRRR!!!!!!! as your personal Heavyweight Champion?

by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Generally you go to school and then get experience on the job.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I mean is journalism a protected and certified and protected profession like being a physician, engineer, plumber, carpenter…

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not. It’s just a weird barb to throw at Jon…

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you’re going to say that someone is a trained journalist, I want to know if there is a professional standard.

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

http://www.spj.org/

No idea if Jon is a member or not. Generally your employer decides if you meet their professional standard.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, journalism is not a protected profession

No special license or rights. You don’t need to go to j-school.

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by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

A Journalism License? Is that a Canadien thing?
No, journalism is not a protected profession

That’s an odd statement, but just to clarify I copied something from the encyclopedia in response.

In the United States, freedom of the press and the broader freedom of speech (see speech, freedom of ) are protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution and are considered fundamental rights of the people.

by Snatchl on Jun 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Protected” here, I believe, means “sanctioned” or “licensed” – they’re protected against government interference, but it’s not like you can be sued for claiming to be a journalist without the proper credentials. It’s not like pretending to be a doctor (believe me)

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a trained journalist,the guy doesn’t know how to conduct a proper interview.The only thing you have to do to get a good,if not great answer out of Chael Sonnen is ask straight,to the point questions.This man failed on every level in his interview.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is irrelevant. How does that justify publishing this correspondence in a mean spirited attempt to hurt Jon?

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd be interested

to know if Jon uses the standard disclaimer that most corporate email accounts use. The whole “privileged info, protected from disclosure” spiel. If he does, then Sonnen is acting beyond foolishly. If he didn’t, then Sonnen is being a dick about something seemingly out of boredom, which I can’t fault him for since I do that regularly here.

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by pdl on Jun 23, 2010 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

That disclaimer is not binding or anything.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

What does that mean?

“A trained journalist” — define this please. What training is required to be a journalist? What skills does a journalist need? (Obviously not the ability to write coherent, well-thought-out questions with proper spelling and grammar.)

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by IKilled007 on Jul 22, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it’s just disgusding.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man, the guy misspelled a word in an email. Call the journalism police! Good thing Chael Sonnen is here to set things right with a wildly disproportionate response!

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wildly disproportionate? I think “pithy” fits a little better. He’s not calling for the guy to lose his job or anything.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If he sent it to Jon it would have been pithy. Even to Jon’s editor. Releasing it to the public is wildly disproportionate.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

wtf?

Did you even read it? It wasn’t about spelling, it was about the guy asking incredibly overcomplicated questions and then answering them himself.

by Electro Boy on Jun 22, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the comments above referencing misspelled words. Keep up or butt out.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

You involved Chael in that. Chael didn’t mention spelling. Keep him out when you’re referring to remarks from other people.

by Electro Boy on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jon wrote “Victor Belfort” twice. Seems well informed.

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 23, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ironically, I don’t think I would have posted this on BE if I hadn’t read Jon’s MMA Media Watch piece from this weekend.

by smoogy2 on Jun 22, 2010 11:04 PM EDT reply actions  

LOL.

It’s worthy of discussion. Thanks for posting it.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 22, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, this is a great topic for discussion. Some people think others take things personally, but when it comes to debating things on the internet, you put on your big boy gloves and go for it. It’s just a discussion.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 23, 2010 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sonnen just continues to win me over time in and time out. The fact that somepeople are even trying to defend this guys ridiculous questions just shows how hard some people are trying to hate on him. That was freaking hillarious and I wish more guys sonned these so called journalists running around.

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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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by Nightwhistler on Jun 22, 2010 11:22 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't you ever

dare compare Sonnen to Keenan again. Keenan makes amazing music and is hilarious. Sonnen does…not those things.

And Keenan, as a Gracie purple belt, could probably tap Sonnen. I mean, make him totally not verbally tap.

BOOSH

by Farthammer on Jun 22, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Besides that I never compared the two, I just pointed out that this interview REMINDED me of alot of interview MJK has done. Stop acting like you know my intentions when the opposite is true. No wonder this place gets a bad rap.

I actually enjoy when a fighter does something like this. It should be done more often. People take themselves too serious and no one seems to think for themselves any more. You’re not the smartest person on the internet, let alone here, when it comes to mma, music, or any other topic, so stop trying act hard on a fucking forum full of people posting their opinions.

by Fantomas on Jun 23, 2010 3:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy fuck you take shit to seriously.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 23, 2010 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd say it was justified

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Jun 23, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You probably missed the comment he had on top of the one I replied too. That contributed to my comment greatly.

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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 23, 2010 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, i didn't

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Jun 23, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Co-signed

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 23, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

He had a lot of nothing to say

I get more rec's then a Toyota!

by DayGeaux on Jun 23, 2010 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am so pissed I missed the Tool concert in NO last week. Screw you, work!!!

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going next Thursday

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by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I went. It was good, but short. They always put on a good show.

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by DayGeaux on Jun 24, 2010 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Had to rec it

Tool blows

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I…I…I thought you were cool…

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just I can't swerve toward that whole side of the music spectrum

My friends tried to make me listen to Tool when were stoned one time in high school, and it was over for me then.

I like Mastodon…

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, well...

Herschel Walker is a jerk.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herschel Walker is a saint! You understand me?

HERSCHEL WALKER IS A SAINT!

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mastodon is fine, but they've tempered their sound somewhat.

Leviathan is much louder & more “metal” than Crack the Skye.

After hearing Master of Puppets, I was hooked. I’ll listen to most any genre, but nothing satisfies me as regularly as metal. From the craziest, most experimental to the darkest, most satanic, I’ve heard it all.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

well, Master of Puppets is great

But generally I’m a blues guy, I don’t like anybody playing guitar faster than a Jeff Beck-type

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Then, honestly, what you're saying is a bit ridiculous

For you to say that Tool sucks, and have no interest in their genre of music, is effectively useless. Name one of your favorite blues bands. They suck. See? Unqualified and uninformed. I think Tool is better because you don’t like them.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

But Tool kind of soured me on the whole genre. It’s my primary exposure to it.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, I’ll add that I don’t have to like a genre to appreciate a band within it. See: Mastodon. I dislike Tool, while not listening to the genre. I don’t dislike the genre, per say.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Yardbirds (with both Beck & Page) in M. Antonioni's "Blow Up"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHNL5_2LspE

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

When they asked Beck to smash his guitar for that movie,at first he said,“No,that’s Pete Townsend’s act.”Then his manager talked him into doing it.Then they said yeah,we want you to use your guitar.He said,“If you think I’m smashing my Les Paul,you’re out of your mind.”So they got him some cheap guitar from a pawn shop,which he promptly smashed to bits for them.Page thought it was hilarious.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also, they’re performing “Stroll On” because they couldn’t get legal clearance to play “Train Kept A-Rollin’”. Same songs, tweaked lyrics.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

How are Mastodon and Tool alike?

I think that proves how narrow an understanding you have of progressive music. I wouldn’t compare Mastodon and Tool under almost any circumstances.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 24, 2010 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

shit, i bet this thread has been entirely forgotten

I never said Tool and Mastadon were alike. I was using them both a examples of me liking/disliking a band without me being deep in said band’s genre. I don’t really know enough about either to compare them to one another… I just know what I like and don’t like.

Methinks you’re just upset at someone trashing one of your favorite bands. I understand. Happens everytime I mention U2… =(

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 25, 2010 11:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tool is convenient

thanks to being labeled and branded perfectly for it’s target audience.

And I’m a huge metal/prog fan. Doesn’t stop Maynard from being a pretentious jackass and Adam Jones from being a whiny bitch with marginal talent at best. Their drummer is the only thing good going for them.

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by pdl on Jun 24, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really can't get into this..

But that was a hot load of shit.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 24, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Adam Jones talks about crying when he listens to any of his own music because it's so beautiful.

That is a whiny bitch, awful on about twelve different levels, and he’s not even a particularly good guitar player. His rhythms are trite and cheap, odd time be damned. Tool is basically what Between the Buried and Me would sound like if they weren’t versatile, practiced less, and sucked at songwriting… which I guess means their nothing like BTBAM. Fuck my own argument!

I’ll credit Tool with having a very good drummer and a technically talented singer. But there are so many bands that does the genre better than them in every way that they aren’t worth listening to. They bring nothing to the table that others haven’t before them, and others can do it more than once every five years.

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by pdl on Jun 25, 2010 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

“Very good” is damning Danny Carey with faint praise.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 25, 2010 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for a Jeff Beck refference

“Cause We’ve Ended As Lovers” is one of the finest peices of guitar work,ever.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here,check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDgjBl86vq8

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Beck, Warren Haynes & Derek Trucks

Probably the three best guitarists I’ve seen live, and none of them are as popular as they should be. I saw Clapton, but all his pop shit is just garbage.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 10:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gov't Mule is one of the loudest bands I've heard. I'd love to see them live.

Clapton was so much better when he took drugs.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mule is a hell of a live show. Saw em at the Masquerade in Atlanta and they had a half-hour intermission filled by a twenty minute drum solo. Opening act was Perpetual Grove, so combined it was like 6 hours of continuous great music for $20.

Post-heroin Clapton just isn’t worth it. There are some blues standards he covers that are gems, but it’s not worth the digging.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

My one problem with jam bands are those aimless solos. If the playing actually goes somewhere, has an emotional ebb and flow, I’m down, but if it’s just noodling on your instruments, I have better things to do. I find drum solos as the worst as they generally aren’t rhythmic – I might be the only Zep fan not to like Moby Dick.

Speaking of endless soloing (and bring this full-circle), Cream is one of my Top-5 bands.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 24, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Completely hi-jacked this post.

Weird to be reading comments on this and suddenly a music discussion breaks out.

by Geno Mrosko on Jun 24, 2010 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mule was pretty tight the whole set, since the band is largely devoted to just supporting Warren while he plays the blues. The only time they had anything really rambling besides the intermission was when Phil Lesh came on stage and they covered “Dear Prudence”.

Zeppelin is my favorite band, so I pretty much like anything, but if you wanna get critical I’d start with “Bonzo’s Montreaux”, which is just unnecessary.

LOL @ Cream, I immediately thought of Ginger Baker. My counter to this is The Who… that retarded version of “My Generation” on Live at Leeds says it all.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 3:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hate that version of My Generation. Perhaps the best live album recorded, except for that song, which stops all momentum. And I can’t stand Baker’s “Toad”. 10 minutes of random drumming – bleh.

I think the all-time offender of that trope is Phish.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 24, 2010 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It just sounds like no one in Phish is on the same page. Take, for example, their signature cover of “Loving Cup”. The Stones are the best example of playing loose yet having a cohesive sound… Phish just sounds like each bandmember is playing their own song.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

"there is no fucking drummer better than neil pert!"

I don’t really care for Rush…

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Canadian, but RUSH kicks ass.

Taking my brother this fall for Jiffy Lube Live (sounds kinda gay, butt fuck it)

/you see what I did there?

by Snatchl on Jun 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I try, but between the castrato-like voice and Ayn Rand-inspired lyrics, I can only tolerate a little. YYZ is an awesome jam, though.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 24, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jam bands are guys who want to play jazz

but decided that having talent and dedication just weren’t worth the time when you can play the same major pentatonic licks over and over.

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by pdl on Jun 24, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a lot of truth in that statement. There are outliers though, and they tend to be blues-based: The Derek Trucks Band, Robert Randolph, etc.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Trucks is very legit.

He’s dedicated to being a stellar musician, even learning things he doesn’t seem to incorporate into his sound. Guy went to India to study microtonal music… which is insane. He’s very talented and doesn’t fuck around.

I just hate people who act like the Grateful Dead and their superfluous contemporaries and impersonators are talented improvisers when I try to show them Return to Forever, Allan Holdsworth, Shawn Lane, or hundreds of other fusion musicians. That’s not even mentioning the brutally talented John Coltrane or Eric Dolphy. Jam bands are pathetic compared to those sorts of talents. Marty Friedman did way more interesting improvisation over changes on Megadeth albums than Bill Wier [sp? who fucking cares?] has done on anything in his whole life.

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by pdl on Jun 25, 2010 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

One of my all time favorite Mule covers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqE6ghPucxU

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Trucks is the best guitarist out there right now,in my not so humble opinion.I thought that dude was the shit in 2003,and he just keeps getting better and better with each passing year.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

How do you like these apples?Clapton,Trucks and Warren Haynes throwing down.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Derek Trucks is pretty much the modern incarnation of Duane Allman

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

That is the truth.I think Derek is what Duane would have eventually developed into had he lived longer.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

So no bluegrass then?

Cuz they play a blues scale. They just play it really fast.

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by Sabate on Jun 24, 2010 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does OCMS count?

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 3:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'll go ahead and answer my question

Probably not… they just be “old-time string band”, correct? Everyone gets on my ass when I call Old Crow bluegrass.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 3:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually I'd count it.

The music of bluegrass and old-time is largely the same. Technically, traditional bluegrass is supposed to have the instruments take turns leading the improvisation.

But a lot of bluegrass breaks or bends that rules anyway, and has for a long time.. Regardless, my point was about the blues scale and melodies , which are largely overlapping in old-time and bluegrass.

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by Sabate on Jun 24, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough. I’m not in the bluegrass “scene” at all, but I’ve been on a few roadtrips where a bluegrass cd was spinning and I quite enjoyed it

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Get Reign in Blood yet?

An hour’s worth on music in 27 minutes.

Keep Firing, Assholes!

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by Ubernoober on Jun 23, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yet?

He’s had like 25 years.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reign in Blood is older than I am.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

That and Seasons in the Abyss are the only Slayer albums I like. They’re good, loud fun, but really, really, stupid. It’s weird to call it “generic” because it essentially established the genre of extreme metal, but they still have the same shtick as when they debuted. Right now I’m on a huge Meshuggah kick – just listening to them over and over, punctuated by the occasional stoner metal album to offset the mood.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 23, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 23, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t even bother surfacing if this is the kind of crap you’re going to support. >:-(

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 23, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

My favorite thing about Tool is that its members are all mortal.

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by Rundownloser on Jun 24, 2010 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

This body holding me
Reminds me of my own mortality
Embrace this moment remember
We are eternal all this pain is an illusion

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 24, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Any band that had Bill Hicks as its opening act deserves one’s worship.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 24, 2010 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's pretty clear to me that people recently started arbitrarily hating them

Must be some hipster bullshit.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 24, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maynard once stopped a concert to ask the audience if they had seen his contact lens.

He was doing the ironic hipster routine first (and much better) than the shmucks now.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 24, 2010 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never was a fan of Sonnen untill he started trash talking Anderson Silva and becoming a bit of an ass.

I thought the journalist came off sounding like an douche. He tried to sound intelligent in his questions but he came off sounding like douche I wouldn’t have wasted my time with his questions.

Sure Chael was an ass about the whole ordeal but if your going to ask for someones time atleast don’t waste it by asking dumb questions.

i more then likely would have done the same thing in Sonnen’s shoes

by Lizard King on Jun 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m starting to see why Carwin is refusing direct requests for interviews.

by brad23 on Jun 22, 2010 11:24 PM EDT reply actions  

If they are sending him anything like that I can understand why he doesn’t want to bother with it.

by who me on Jun 23, 2010 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was fine with Chael’s initial answers to the quesitons, but it really seemed like Chael felt some obligation to be as big of a dick as possible to this guy for no good reason. People disagree with the content of the questions which is understandable, but does that then make it fine for this guy to be humiliated publicly for it. Chael really did come off as a bully here, this guy wasn’t too happy with the way things went and even went as far as to admit that he could edit the questions but Chael gave him no alternative but to either release the interview as is which stifles any editing plans the guy may have actually had, or Chael will see to it himself to relsease the interview along with personal e-mail corespondances that just emberass the guy even more.

Let’s be real here people, I’ve seen my fair share of bad interviews before written or otherwise but just because that person may be lacking in terms of journalism it doesn’t give anybody the right to try to embarass them like this. This isn’t just well deserved constructive criticism, this is pulling down someone’s pants on the playground. And if Chael or anybody else doesn’t like the questions too bad, he has the option to ignore what this guy sent him. Oh it’s cutting into Chael Sonnen’s time to read through this, but he’s not too busy to start playing Hannibal Lector mind games? Chael can play the heel all he wants, but if he’s just being an ass for the sake of being an ass to random people then he’s going a tad too far. Hell, even Brock Lesnar can give a more indepth interview then this and that guys about the closest thing to the Grinch when it comes to the media you could find in this sport.

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by Fake Emcee on Jun 22, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

OK

I am officially way more worked up than Jon. Deep breaths. I’m going to get through this..

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Sir,I’m going to have to ask you to step away from the vehicle.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn’t really read the whole thing because it was so similar to what I imagine a grown adult punching a 4 year old in the face repeatedly. I’m not trying to disparage the writer in any way. I am just saying that no matter what a 4 year old does he or she doesn’t deserve that type of abuse. It seems like he was just trying to write things that would allow Chael to go off on his fantatical rants. Turns out he succeeded. Too bad Chael hit him with a figurative Mack Truck and then backed over his lifeless body, set it on fire, peed the fire out and then buried him face down……figuratively speaking.

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by Earl Montclair on Jun 22, 2010 11:43 PM EDT reply actions  

I did however lol at this response:

Do you think I should get a puppy?

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by Earl Montclair on Jun 22, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow

I’m going through the exact same thing right now, except with MMA

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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 23, 2010 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm… After senior year of high school, I did multiple big-time interviews: with my states 2 US Senators, with the governor of GA, and with Rev. Joseph Lowry, who gave the famous “let yellow be mellow” benediction during Obama’s Inauguration. They all made the front page and were baller.

I also have a 10-inch dick.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

“I also have a 10-inch dick.”

Source?

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he might have measured that with the centimeters side accidently.

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by Fake Emcee on Jun 23, 2010 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

There was shrinkage.

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 10:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jigga please

yo shits so tiny that if it got any smaller it’d be an innie, WHAT!

And yo momma so fat, that she should take into considertation the serious long term side effects her unhealthy lifestyle could lead to…bitch.

Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.

by Fake Emcee on Jun 23, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

The worst thing in there

Is calling me “Jigga”. In no way, shape or form do I wanna be compared with he of the DSLs

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking from experience?

I know I lol’d for the same reason.

by Snatchl on Jun 24, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

How could Brian have gotten away with asking source without a “Yo mama” response? BE is slacking.

by JeremyShane on Jun 23, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're referring to Luke Thomas and Kid Nate right

since they do technically make up BE.

Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.

by Fake Emcee on Jun 24, 2010 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was gonna

but he’s one of the few faithful readers I have at 4real, lol… dont bite the hand that’s commenting on your stories…

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dude,if you only knew how close I was to being your co-worker this past spring……

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 24, 2010 5:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’ll probably happen eventually

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two Senators, a governor, and a Rev enter a room...

and a young highschool student leaves with repressed memories.

Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.

by Fake Emcee on Jun 23, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's why I devote half my day to MMA

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like that

Stop being stressed out, and be awesome instead.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jun 24, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

wise words from spectaa

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

but i also totally understand where you're coming from

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 23, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHA

Greatest thing ever.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 22, 2010 11:52 PM EDT reply actions  

BTW

Some outlets like Sherdog won’t do question sheet/email Q&As with people as a matter of policy. I wonder, does Bloodyelbow have an official stance on them?

by smoogy2 on Jun 23, 2010 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Doubt it

BE doesn’t do interviews.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have done them rarely

The questions, um, have never been that long.

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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 23, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is fucking brilliant.

Generally, you can get away with anything so long as its funny. This is very funny. Those questions are some of the most ridiculous bits of keyboard wanking you’ll ever see, and Sonnen had the right to call him on it.

Jon Lane will learn from this, I’m sure.

by TLow on Jun 23, 2010 12:41 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This reminds me of those customer service centers based in another country, where it becomes clear after the second question that the person on the other line is 1) following a script, 2) doesn’t speak English as his first language; and 3) whatever you ask beyond the second question will be met with the same set of stock responses.

Jon Lane’s questions got increasingly worse. As a “trained journalist” who’s been granted an interview was a controversial and educated fighter, he should have invested some time in creating succinct and easy to read questions rather than narratives.

Just like a person on a call with a idiotic customer service rep, who makes the most of the situation by poking fun at it, Chael finished the “interview” in a self-amusing way. He comes off as a jerk in the way he’s reprimanding Lane with his holier-than-thou rant about publishing things on the internet. But that’s why he’s a polarizing figure. It wouldn’t have been as fun for him if he didn’t publish the transcript.

Being overrated is overrated.

by bobby g on Jun 23, 2010 1:51 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

This reminds me of those customer service centers based in another country, where it becomes clear after the second question that the person on the other line is 1) following a script, 2) doesn’t speak English as his first language; and 3) whatever you ask beyond the second question will be met with the same set of stock responses.

You’ve just described Dell customer service. Oh, the time I’ve wasted on the phone with them.

by dv8shun on Jun 23, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course...

I had Dell in mind as I wrote the comparison. It’s pretty comic.

Being overrated is overrated.

by bobby g on Jun 24, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Andy Kauffman would be proud

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The Packers, that’s who.
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by TheViking83 on Jun 23, 2010 2:07 AM EDT reply actions  

As a journalist you ask your questions and then write your article.

So you ask chael sonnen:

are you looking forward to the fight with anderson silva?

what do you think of silva as a fighter?

etc etc

and then when you have got the answers you write your story around them adding your own stuff like:

‘The story opened with an oath Chael Sonnen made to his dying father to become a world champion’

You don’t need to include info like this in the questions.

I guess that Sonnen’s frustration partly stems from the fact that a lot of the questions are really poorly worded and don’t make sense:

‘I get the impression you’re one to never allow the magnitude of an opportunity to overcome you, so how are you taking this in stride – or perhaps more accurately facing it dead on.’

This is absolute nonsense and someone with a college degree, like Sonnen, should be able to write better than this. I guess maybe he is pissed off because the guy asking the questions is supposed to be a professional journalist but has a level of english which is probably lower than that of the average college educated fighter.

by James Goyder on Jun 23, 2010 2:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

The whole thing is a train wreck and it’s hard to be too mad at Sonnen for making an issue out of it. Sonnen is a real dick for leaking it like this but sending him that interview was pretty disrepectful to start with in just how bad the questions were. If a guy is supposed to be a professional journalist then he should be professional enough not to waste someone’s time like that. Chael Sonnen has shown over and over again that he will give you material if you just let him but some of those questions were so badly worded I couldn’t even figure out what was being asked.

by who me on Jun 23, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Way to say pretty everything I was thinking.

by HarmlessNinja on Jun 23, 2010 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

As usual, you said what I was thinking better than me. +1

by jhf884 on Jun 23, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

If his comments were totally pretentious, this would come off looking a bit silly on Sonnen’s part. If he had nothing to be ashamed of, this wouldn’t be offensive in the least.

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

were=weren't

Coffee, pleaze.

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by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Being a journalist doesn’t give you an excuse to be an idiot.

I think that sums it up right there. Sure it was a mean spirited thing that Sonnen did but then the material does speak for itself.

by who me on Jun 23, 2010 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

And, let's be fair

I know it’s a point that’s already been made, but writers try to make these guys look like idiots all the time. Fair play, in my book..

"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre

by Blackout612 on Jun 23, 2010 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

This

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A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who -- Jay-Z

by thetakeover on Jun 23, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is snowden reading this?

"In Soviet Russia, Hell goes to you!"

by actionbastard on Jun 23, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm rec'ing Mke Fagan

What the hell?!

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jun 24, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Whilst I thought the questions were too long, boring and somewhat pretentious, I didn’t think the journalist deserved that.

I found Sonnen’s answers funny, but I did feel quite bad for Jon Lane too. He didn’t come across as aggressive at any time, he was just (trying) to do his job. It was humorous, but I didn’t see the need for Sonnen to rip on Lane’s journalism and make such a point of humiliating him.

UFC 117 can’t come soon enough. I hope Andy makes an ass of this guy and dances around him for 25 mins.

by Sawyer on Jun 23, 2010 5:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Who’s this Victor Belfort character Lane keeps mentioning? To me, that’s the most embarassing part of the “interview.”

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 23, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

damnit, misspellings are embarrassing

by MMAInFeRioRiTy on Jun 23, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vitor is Portuguese for Victor.Lane is just being a little snobby.Nobody has called Belfort “Victor” since 1998,other than maybe his mother.And Snowden.

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by Brian Mayes on Jun 23, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

So just some more vitor trivia- According to my GF, from Sao Sebastao do paraiso, Vitor is and has been the most popular fighter to come out of Brazil in 15 years. His popularity, however, has nothing to do with his explosive style or impressive wins; instead, it comes from the fact that he’s married to Giselle. Everyone in Brazil knows Vitor Belfort’s name- does everyone in the US know Chuck Liddell’s name? Tito? maybe Tito, since he’s married to Jenna…HA!

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry- sao sebastao

is in the Minas Gerais state, for anyone who cares.

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry

which is in BRAZIL. had to keep closing, boss is behind me.

by Body Triangle on Jun 25, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not married to Giselle, but Feiticeira

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 25, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Big Surprise!

Sonnen is an asshole. He knows it and he embraces it. The fact that he listens to the Grateful Dead and takes LSD is just confusing.

"Stop smiling you are about to be punched in the face !"

by Warhand on Jun 23, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The only thing i got from this is...

phrase your questions as if you were interviewing Tank Abbott.

by 2DaDeath on Jun 24, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I honestly think it was a little funny, but if you’re going to tell people you accept their interview you should probably act professionally before people and magazines just stop wanting to interview you. Especially after you fall off the face of relevancy after a loss to Anderson Silva……

I think Chael just plays the heel role and likes the fact he has the conscious of a small child. All of his tweets about Silva were for attention and he only got this title shot was because of him drawing attention to himself.

If he can pull off the decision against anderson silva i dont know if I’ll be angry or impressed but I will still think Chael Sonnen is a D-Bag.

P.S. I hope I’m not fighter bashing, I know he is an excellent athlete and contributes to the sport, but i just don’t fancy anything about him.

by OptimusPiss on Jun 24, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't see whats so bad about Jon's interviewing...

If this was a written question and response interview done through email. It makes it alot more understandable as to why the questions are so lengthy.. If you read the last sentence of every paragraph sent by Jon, that is pretty much the question being asked. And i think he does ask real questions and sure maybe they’ve been asked to him 100 times already but what you gonna do, he agreed to this interview.
Chael Sonnen was asked questions about being a heel and he covered it up well by being a heel and not answering the question.
He was asked about how he plans to beat Anderson and he gave his honest response: he has no fucking clue.

by OptimusPiss on Jun 24, 2010 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

If you read the last sentence of every paragraph sent by Jon, that is pretty much the question being asked.

Then why in the hell would someone write a paragraph for the question then? Those were awful questions designed to lead to a specific answer to fill out what the guy wanted to get for his article.

by who me on Jun 24, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

People did a pretty good job rec’ing what was needed to be said on the subject.

I'm a lover not a fighter

by spectaa on Jun 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since this thread will be moving on soon, now seems like a good time for some Jerry Springeresque final thoughts:

There is a guerilla war happening right now in the MMA media. There are clueless writers out there who wouldn’t know a credible source if it bit them in the ass, media-illiterate fanboys who will believe anything posted on a two-bit MMA blog or message board, and fighters looking to take advantage of them both to get a leg up in this smash mouth sport. Unless more restraint is shown by all parties, this wild west atmosphere will only get worse (or more entertaining, if you’re a nihilist).

Jon Lane thought he could play the Mean Gene Okerlund to Chael Sonnen’s Rick Rude, and he got burnt for realsies instead. Moral of the story? Real writers don’t try to do kayfabe interviews. Sonnen doesn’t consider himself a cartoon character, so don’t ask him questions like he is one. Either you accept that his persona is who he really is, or you challenge that persona head-on. Don’t try to do him favors and serve up softballs, expecting some hilarious soundbytes. He’ll just make you look stupid.

by smoogy2 on Jun 24, 2010 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Tomorrow:

Did I Sleep With My (Midget) Son?

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by Anthony Pace on Jun 24, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey which one am I which one am I

I haven’t been burned yet by posting something too soon

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 24, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You’re a partisan hack, which falls somewhere between clueless writer and media-illiterate fanboy

by smoogy2 on Jun 24, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll take it!

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 24, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here’s a clue – Albert Hoffman / Sandoz Laboratories / Owlsley Stanley III / Jerry / “Box of Rain”

Chael and his doctor apparently used LSD to overcome his psychological weaknesses?

Hey, worked for me, good for him.

by bigstupidsmile on Jun 24, 2010 4:52 PM EDT reply actions  

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