Scott Coker Says Nick Diaz Will Be in Potential Eight-Man Middleweight Tournament
by Nick Thomas on Jun 22, 2010 6:27 PM EDT
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On the likelihood of Shields continuing with Strikeforce, Coker said, "If you were to ask me today, I think we'll be throwing a tournament. That's my personal opinion."Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza (12-2), Robbie Lawler (17-6), Tim Kennedy (12-2), Dan Henderson (25-8), Nick Diaz (22-7), Jason Miller (23-7)
Coker told MMAjunkie.com he is considering eight fighters for a potential tournament to begin at an event planned for Aug. 21: Ronaldo "Jacare" Souza, Robbie Lawler, Tim Kennedy, Dan Henderson, Nick Diaz and "Mayhem" Miller. Additionally, the winner of a June 26 bout between Scott Smith and Cung Le is under consideration for a tourney spot, as is the winner of an upcoming World Victory Road/Sengoku bout between Kazuo Misaki and champ Jorge Santiago.
The tournament would take place over two events, the Strikeforce CEO said. Houston is targeted for the first event, though the promotion has not confirmed a city or venue.
Winner of Cung Le (6-1) vs. Scott Smith (17-6), Winner of Jorge Santiago (22-8) vs. Kazuo Misaki (22-10-2)
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Nice
Tournaments are always fun to watch, SF is pulling a good business move here.
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by xAtlasx on Jun 22, 2010 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this is the coolest thing Strikeforce could do
it’s certainly proved to be a successful appeal for Bellator
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by thetakeover on Jun 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tournament!!!!!
YES!!!
A Tournament!!!!!
by justbleed9999 on Jun 23, 2010 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It is good that this is a tournament in Strikeforce’s strongest division, the Middleweight Division. Also, it is nice to see a prospect in Tim Kennedy get a chance to shine. How did a Sengoku fight, Santiago vs Misaki, get involved with this tournament? I am not complaining though, but I just wondered how that turned about.
Jorge Santiago won their last middleweight tournament
Which doesn’t make any sense, considering it was almost three years ago but it’s the only logic I can come up with. Maybe he still has a contract with Strikeforce and just hasn’t been fighting for them lately.
Misaki has also fought in Strikeforce
KTFO’d Joe Riggs. Clearly Santiago and Misaki are two of the best MW’s out there not in the UFC, that’s who they want in this thing. Personally, I’d rather see Diaz stick to WW and have Lindland in this but whatever, it’s pretty awesome.
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I agree
Everyone here always complains about how Shields is a ratings killer. Letting him leave and throwing on a tournament has to be a good move, right?
I don’t know if it’s as much them letting him leave as it is them just not wanting to pay what it would take for him to stay and making the best of the situation with him leaving holding the belt.
That’s technically letting him go. Precisely the problem, he’s not worth the price he’s asking for them. He’s a great fighter but he probably negatively affects their bottom line.
Well they are the ones who headlined/co-headlined three major events with the guy(including both CBS shows). Heck he only fought three times for Strikeforce. There have been 5 CBS MMA events and Jake Shields has been in a title fight on four of them. If there is a reason that Jake Shields is wanting a pay raise it’s because they keep putting him in key match ups on the biggest cards and he keeps winning those fights(dude hasn’t lost since 2004). Yes I agree that his style just seems to kill the ratings but you can’t knock what the guy has accomplished and they were the ones who keep pushing him out there as a big headliner for the company.
Why not grab King Mo & Mousasi?
Not like they’re doing anything intresting for the next 4 years excepet fight each other repeatedly.
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neither are MW? Mousasi said he has no intention of ever dropping to MW again and i’m pretty sure its physically impossible for Mo to be a MW
Mo has never fought at 185
He’s fought 7 times
4 at Heavyweight
3 at LHW
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impossible for mo to make 185, and mousasi I think wants to stick to 205
by kanodogg on Jun 22, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also think that they should get Gil Melendez into the tournament too.
Keep Firing, Assholes!
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by Ubernoober on Jun 22, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah, i’m really stoked for this. that is an honestly really legitimate group of middleweights, too. wooooooo strikeforce.
here's to the rubble...
When has Nick Diaz(the Strikeforce welterweight champion) ever fought at middleweight?
The other guys should make for an exciting tournament, I just have to wonder why they don’t have Nick defending the title he already has instead of jumping to a weight class he doesn’t fight in just to fill a spot?
When he fought Frank.
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by Matthew Roth on Jun 22, 2010 7:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Technically 179 is MW, as it is between 171 and 185.
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by FRANKIE on Jun 23, 2010 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No technically setting the max at 179lbs makes it a catchweight bout, yes it is in the middleweight range but it’s not all of that range it is a arbitrary limit set for that bout only. If it was techically going to be a middleweight bout then it would of had a 185lb weight limit because techically that is what makes the middleweight division the middleweight division. It’s not at all middleweight if they make the larger guy come down extra weight to a arbitrary lower maximum because the smaller guy can’t come all the way up properly.
what sf needs right now are exciting fights and exciting fighters. remember what toby imada did for bellator? a tournament to the top will be plenty more exciting than any jake shields defense.
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I dont like this move.
Strikeforce will only be eliminating potential contenders by doing this. How smart will Coker look if his boy Hendo is beat in the first round? I think Strikeforce is on shaky ground, why else would they risk the health of their most talent staked division? How does this help Strikeforce? What are you doing to you product, if your deepest division is suddenly depleated by injury? If Tim Kennedy or Jacare can make it to the finals, that would help Strikeforce long term. But, they just dont have enough depth in their roster to pull this off. Around the time this will be finished, Fedor is potentially walking away from fighting. Now, picture this scenerio. Strikeforce loses Fedor to retirement, has multiple injuries from the tournament and holds the MW division in limbo for a year. If UFC were doing this, everyone would crucify Dana for holding a title dormant for a year.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
picture the worst possible scenario
and make decisions based on that.
No.
Good move by strike force. If Hendo gets beat, then he gets beat. The key to a successful MMA org does not lie in protecting fighters, it lies in promoting winners. Sometimes you get lucky and a winner is a huge star with massive charisma and sometimes you do not.
Right now strikeforce needs to create some buzz and excitement for their product as a whole and let the fighter rankings shake out the way they will.
by ruckus on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
You are right
But, if you have the talent in the MW division and fast forward all the contender matches into 2 events, that doesnt make much sense too me. Moreover, like I posted before, injuries will hurt Strikeforce much worse then they do the UFC. That’s my point. P.S. The worst case scenerio appears to be Strikeforce’s bread and butter play lately. Brawl, Fedor never fighting, Overeems long absence, Hendo’s loss to Shields, the loss of Shields potentially and the Herschel Walker experiment. None of these business decisions have pushed the Strikeforce brand, captured the viewers or made Strikeforce credible as a contender to the UFC. If I remember right, Coker and co wanted to challenge the UFC, so far, they have been misguided almost ignorant in how to run an org. This is just the straw that broke the camels back in my eyes. I dont see Scott Coker being the one who decided to have a tournament. Just saying,
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
I don’t remember Coker actually saying that he wanted Strikeforce to challenge and be direct competition to the UFC. The way that they structure fights by putting together fun fights and whatnot indicate to me that they are more concerned about getting ratings and just building their brand than being a credible contender to the UFC. I honestly feel that when Strikeforce signed Henderson and Fedor, MMA fans believed that Strikeforce was trying to directly compete with the UFC. I think that MMA fans made this feud between Strikeforce and the UFC, and it shows in interviews with Coker and whatnot. I seriously have not heard Coker really mention the UFC as someone that they are trying to really compete with.
I have to ask because I am assuming that you simply don’t like Strikeforce, but are you being negative towards them because you don’t like Strikeforce? The line that “This is just the straw that broke the camels back in my eyes” indicates to me that is the case. I mean, putting good Middleweight fights together for a tournament for a Title and feeling that it is somehow the last straw that broke the camels back seems disingenuous. In actuality, the UFC operates in a tournament format of sorts in that winners of fights end up fighting each other and losers fight losers of other fights. The winners keep winning and end up getting a Title shot.
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I am a fan of Strikeforce, have been for years. The problem is, they are in uncharted water. They are trying to grow faster then they are able. The evidence, the merger between cbs/strikeforce/ showtime and m-1 global is a recipe for disaster. Too many fingers in the cookie jar in my eyes. Before the tv contract, Strikeforce carved out a nice niche. They would have entertaining fights, compelling matchups and a regional following. By signing the tv contract, Coker and company had to make a splash. The signing of Fedor was a shot across Zuffa’s bow. This created unneeded acromony between the two companies. I firmly believe the hard feelings are a result of Dana’s criticisism of Elite XC, Showtime is fueling the fire, and Coker is a pawn in this all. IMHO, Scott Coker doesnt have total control of Strikeforce. He wouldnt have agreed to have Hershel Walker or field phone calls from Jose Conseco before the tv contract. In this scenerio, Strikeforce is reaching for straws and desperate to keep TV execs happy, this is a recipe for disaster. The same recipe that ruined, Elite XC, Affliction, WFA, IFL and Bodog just to name a few.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
Agreed
Hendo has a risk of defeat against any upper level fighter. No one wants to see him fight cans.
Root for the home team jack ass
by KING FEDOR on Jun 23, 2010 7:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they have no contenders, so they don’t really need to worry about eliminating any of them.
The winner of the tournament will emerge looking great, the losers of the semifinals and finals will be established near the top for the next coming shots. And the top 2-3 will get a slightly bigger boost in the rankings than they should because of lots of people have hard ons for tournaments.
The other plus side, is this appears to be the only way that they are capable of planning and promoting multiple cards at once, which is one of their biggest failures as a promotion.
They have some decent talent at Middleweight (which makes me wonder why they are sticking Diaz in there). It’s light heavyweight where they are bone dry.
They have talent, but no hierarchy to the division. And they haven’t shown the capability/desire to creat some sort of hierarchy, so that’s why I think they should be doing more tournaments.
They have some names, especially in MW, but there is no one lined up for the next title shot or the one after that, so I don’t think they need to worry about ruining anything.
Oh I don’t think they will ruin anything (at this point what’s to ruin?) but it just seems odd to me that will all the middleweight talent they have why are they sticking welterweight Nick Diaz in there? That seems to go against building hierarchy in the division because Nick isn’t in that division but a lot of good fighters are. What about Matt Lindland or Melvin Manhoef or Luke Rockhold or Cyborg Santos or Joey Villasenor or even Frank Shamrock? It’s not like they are short on Middleweights that they could plug in there for this.
i don't think it's holding a title dormant...
it’s letting competition decide the new champion.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 22, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Inevitably, Diaz/Fedor will manifest itself.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
You wouldn't watch that?
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THAT would be the fight Fedor loses - just watch.
Smith gets trounced for 14 minutes, then a hail mary punch wins it.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 22, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this, but it needs more Manhoef.
Cung Le vs. Manhoef is a fight that just needs to happen in my mind. It’s too great not to.
I predict KO by knocking Cung Le on his ass while he tries some whirlygig kicks.
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don’t worry, once cung loses in the first round of this tourney, manhoef vs cung will make total sense
by kanodogg on Jun 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cung Le has only ever fought hand-picked opponents… I don’t think that he’d be willing to go into a tournament where a real monster like Jacare would carry his arm out of the cage. Including him in the rumor mill for the tournament is obviously a good move though, especially if they think Smith can catch him again.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
by Stanlee on Jun 22, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Said something similar before I read them all.
Cung Le is great, but with all the grapplers in the mix, he doesn’t stand a snowballs chance in hell.
I used to think so too, but apparently back side kicks can be effective in the cage...
…Cung Le, GPS, and recently Siver have used them. Offensively, they should get ole’d like a torreador, but some guys seem to land them.
If Strikeforce is the new PRIDE then I want a good ’ol fashioned Grand Prix.
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by Dr. Octagon on Jun 22, 2010 6:56 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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by RearNakedChoker on Jun 22, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
What so Lawler is in but not Babalu? He sounded pretty confident that he could make MW so I see no reason not to include him since he has just beaten Lawler. Perhaps thay will try to push him towards fighting King Mo despite him saying it won’t happen
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the Lawler/Babalu fight was for title contention in their respected weight classes (which makes zero sense, but oh well). Babalu is next up to fight King Mo, they just gotta figure out when now.
I think Jacare and Diaz would have to be the favorites to make it to the finals.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 22, 2010 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
So long as Jacare meets Mayhem at some point, I’ll be happy.
Getting bent out of shape over a fight promoter lying is like getting upset that a hooker won't kiss you. It betrays a deep lack of understanding of the nature of the profession.
Already have – right after Shields/Hendo.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 22, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
full of win
i will watch this. and it adds some meaning and direction from one show to the next for strikeforce, which is lacks right now.
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I’m pretty sure Strikeforce making a decision this good means that the apocalypse will hit before the tournament actually happens.
Strikeforce hasn’t been anywhere as incompetent as some of these other promotions (EliteXC, Affliction, etc.)
Before they got tangled up with Showtime Strikeforce was known for putting together some really good shows on a smaller scale, they are definately several steps above those that came before them. It’s only been very recently that some of their decisions have been head scratchers.
The Hendo contract was a bit of a head scratcher. The rest to me just seems like the reality of playing from so far behind.
Headlining three card with Jake Shields? What the heck is going on with signing Bobby Lashley and booking his fights? Who decided to announce that Babalu would get a title shot against King Mo without talking to Babalu first? That’s just to name a few. They had a couple of them in the past (Bob Sapp vs Jan Nortje) but in the last year or so it seems there is a lot of headscratching going on when it comes to Strikeforce.
I actually (usually) enjoy Strikeforce cards and hope thy make a good run of it. That being said though……just because they’re a taller midget doesn’t mean they’re not still a midget.
Saying that they’re making better decisions than EliteXC or Affliction is the definition of faint praise.
This.
Coker has been talking tournaments since the beginning of time and nothing ever comes of it. Where are the ladies 135 and 145lb tournaments for example. They started talking those up over 6 months ago. The 145lb tournament got dropped. And they have been using the “Announcement next week” line for the 135lb tournament for an eternity. MMA rising is claiming there will be an announcement on the Fedor/Werdum card but I would bet real money that there won’t.
I like Strikeforce but Coker need to ask his new BFF Rebney, his friends over at Dream or even the crazy Russians how to do a tournament.
And if Hendo wins? Will Strikeforce call it an interim belt?
That is the worst case for Striekforce.
Why over two events and not three? I always hate when guys fight multiple times in one night. I dont want to see someone who lost in the tournament being brought back into the finals because someone cant continue from an earlier fight. I also dont like the idea that fighters arent allowed to do a full camp and gameplan specifically for a fighter. Why not do it over three like Bellator?
I agree, should be over 3 events. Some of these possible semifinal matchups would be brutal. Otherwise I am pretty stoked for this tournament. I like the idea of throwing Diaz in there. He is one of Strikeforce’s most exciting fighters to watch, and he doesn’t have any good fights in the WW division right now. Anything that gets Nick Diaz fighting more often against high quality opposition is a good idea.
by IWillPartyHard on Jun 22, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the first round would be split over two events
I assume that’s what was meant. Their Houston event is currently scheduled before Santiago and Misaki fight and before Diaz’s suspension will be finished. Plus athletic commissions hand out short post-fight suspensions like Chiclets, a fighter would have to get through the semi-finals completely unscathed to be allowed to continue.
I assume they’ll split the first round into two events, the second round at another and then have the championship fight headline a fourth card.
I'm glad they're going this route
I was worried about what sort of fuckery they would come up with but this is the most logical thing to do.I wouldn’t put Diaz in the tournament but I’m not sure who else to put in. Luke Rockhold maybe, he’s been doing very well on the Challengers show.
Would Cung Le even want to be in it?
Tournament format means he is not guaranteed favorable matchmaking.
The Afghan Killa should be in this tourney. He’s got a Strikeforce contract.
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I love Cung Le from his K1/Sansho (sp?) days, but he get's pwn'd if he makes this tournament...
…having said that, I’d love to see him vs. Hendo, just for the legend factor.
Luke Rockhold has to be in there
He can’t be ignored anymore.
Just leave the Le/Smith winner out for him
Looks like this will backfire on Dana and Jake.
Sorry but this is Gold for strikeforce.
Dana will pay too much for a boring guy nobody will want to watch, and probably won’t do that well.
And you will keep posting idiotic things and people won’t like them much.
by sadface on Jun 23, 2010 2:35 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Diaz is already the Welterweight champion
Let’s keep him in the division to defend his own title.
This times about a million.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 22, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, I’d rather see Diaz in the middleweight tournament. Who gives a crap about him fighting Jay Hieron. No one is excited for that fight except Jay Hieron.
by IWillPartyHard on Jun 22, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
100% agree
diaz hieron excites me a milion times less than diaz in this tourney, so more than likely we’ll be seeing diaz vs hieron
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This tournament....
sounds really, really exciting.
Although I am not much of a Diaz fan, the though of him potentially holding two belts in two different weight classes I think would push Diaz in the top five fighters in both the Middleweight and Welterweight divisions!
I was just about to say
This has worked GREAT for the Super Six boxing Tournament. One of the most exciting events in boxing in quite some time.
I’m exited about the tourney.
Holy shit son!!!
I sent a message to StrikeForce on their website to do exactly this, only I had Mamed Khalidov in there instead of Nick Diaz, but this is so the shit!!!! StrikeForce MWGP!!!!
I asked this question the other day and have yet to see someone really address it.
Every fighter that they put in this tournament will have to have at least 3 fights on their contract. Just in case they make it to the finals. It takes 3 fights to make it thru the finals in an 8 man tournament.
For example Coker keeps mentioning Lawler is going to be in this tournament. Is he sure about that? Doesn’t Robbie Lawler only have 1 fight left on his contract? What the hell is Coker going to do if Lawler wins his first fight in this tourney? Cause then Robbie is going to be a free agent. I don’t see Robbie Lawler signing an extension without hitting free agency to at least see if the UFC gives him an offer. I mean it is pretty obvious the UFC is looking to steal anybody of value from Strikeforce. So why would any top talent in Strikeforce not go to free agency if they can to at least see if the UFC might drive up their price a little bit.
How many other of these 8 suggested participants fit into this same category as Lawler? Does the other 7 besides Lawler all have at least 3 fights on their contract?
Just BE.
I would think Coker would make sure everyone is signed up though the tournament before starting it but….. after the debacle last week of spending the whole night announcing the winner will get a title shot in their division and then having Babalu totally shoot that down within a couple minutes of winning I really can’t be so sure Coker is staying on top of all the little details anymore.
I mean really how do you not make sure that the fighters will take that fight before letting the announcers promote it all night. That just seems like a very simple oversight that could have been avoided with a little communication. It wouldn’t have taken five minutes for Coker to simply ask Babalu if he would fight King Mo if he won. Considering the various different accounts of lack of communication between fighters and Strikeforce these types of things shouldn’t be surprising anymore though. Which is why I even had to wonder if this was even something they have given thought to yet.
Just BE.
Someone (Brent, Matt, Jonathan, ?) mentioned that Lawler signed or would be signing a contract extension.
dana would do anything possible to get one of these guys away from SF mid tourney and fuck the whole thing up
We have a saying back home that if your coming on, COME ON!!!!
This is a win-win
Jake Shields vs GSP and an 8-man tourney with a lot of talent. What’s to complain about?
good luck with this one scotty
this is too much of a good thing for SF to pull through on, while i want coker to succeed and pull this off i highly doubt this whole 8 man tourney happening
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yeah, It would be really hard to do this,
but if he does, I will be a very happy MMA fan.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 23, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I've skipped everything posted here and...
…just saying I would prolly soil my pants in anticipation for this. GJ SF
My Seeded Brackets
Used SBNation Rankings unless the fighter wasn’t ranked. Also assumed both Santiago/Misaki II and Smith/Le II have the same end result as the first fights.
(7) Dan Henderson vs. * (15) Tim Kennedy
(10) Robbie Lawler vs. * (40) Mayhem
(9) Jorge Santiago vs. * (21) Scott Smith
(13) “Jacare” vs. ** Nick Diaz
After “Babalu” defeated Lalwer, I’m confused as to why he wouldn’t be competing in the tournament. Ideally I’d remove Diaz and insert Sobral to potentially setup Henderson vs. Babalu II. Another change I would make is to replace Mayhem /w Khalidov. Can you tell I was bored?
* Fight Matrix Ranking
** Unranked at MW
Nick Diaz is unranked at middleweight because he has never fought at middleweight before. I think Strikeforce still believes they can talk Babalu into fighting King Mo but it doesn’t seem like that will happen.
His first 2 fights in Strikeforce
were against middleweights Frank Shamrock and Scott Smith
Just happened at 182/3 ish catchweights
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