Dana White Talks Fedor Emelianenko and Anderson Silva vs. George St. Pierre
Dana on Anderson Silva vs. George St. Pierre:
"People ask me that all the time. This is what I believe. I believe my job is to put on fights that people want to see. I keep hearing that and if enough people want to see it, I guess I’m gonna have to do it."
Dana on Fedor and co-promotion:
"It will never happen in a million years. They are a minor league. Listen I have come to the realization and everyone else needs to too; that Fedor [Emeliananko] doesn’t want to fight the best guys in the world. Believe me when I tell you guys I have done everything in my power, I have flown to crazy parts of the world, done all this stuff, been on the phone for hours, not hung out with my kids on weekends because I’m on the phone with these lunatics and just can’t make the deal. They don’t want to do it so we gotta get over it."
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St. Pierre/Silva: Seems like he’s changing his stance on GSP/Anderson. If it happens, I’m curious on the weight class, if it’ll be at MW, WW, or a catchweight.
Fedor: Looks like neither party is, or ever will be, willing to budge on the co-promotion issue.
I think that's the fight they're holding onto for MSG
When MMA gets approval in NY, that’s the fight that headlines the first Garden show.
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Huge.
I think if that fight happened at MSG it would be beyond enormous. It would probably be the biggest PPV ever for UFC. Hopefully it happens someday before they are both no longer relevant.
Agreed.
If it does have to happen, let’s see it when they’re both relevant, and not after several losses have affected they’re standing, like W.Silva/Liddell.
I’m hoping if it does happen that it’s at a catchweight, so as not to potentially hold up either the WW or MW titles.
170
Before UFC 112 it was widely reported that Anderson was open to making the cut to 170, and GSP was open to the challenge. If Anderson can make the cut, I can’t see them rejecting the opportunity to have a title on the line just to avoid the possibility of Anderson holding both titles. The UFC was open to Penn holding LW and WW. The only worry I’d have is if Anderson wins, and he continues with his dickish ways.
If the fight happens though, I’d much rather it be a 5 rounder. It has to be. It’d be huge.
Forget about it all
Inside info says that since Shogun beat Machida that all his focus is set on beating Chael Sonnen and then giving up the MW belt and going full time LHW/HW. He did mention for a short while quite some time ago that he would go to 170, this was because GSP kept ducking the question of a fight with Anderson by saying he could not make MW. But that window has slammed shut and according to Soares it would take an enormous amount of Money for him to fight again at MW after Sonnen and dropping to 170 is a bygonne idea.
Makes sense, but
I think it would work out better for both men if Machida, who as I understand it does not currently cut weight, were to drop down and rule 185, and Anderson, who could cut/lose less weight should move to 205 and face Rua.
Anderson would likely take Rua, and would rule 205 for a year or so until Jon Jones gets another 3 or so fights under his belt.
Rashad would be better served at 185 as well, although I don’t see him overcoming Machida any more than I see Machida overcoming Rua.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 22, 2010 8:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The only worry I’d have is if Anderson wins, and he continues with his dickish ways.
I think that’s plenty enough reason for them not to be too eager to let him potentially hold two titles.
But my main reason for wanting it at catchweight, besides not having one guy hold both titles, is because I’m skeptical about him making the full cut to 170, and still being able to fight at full capacity.
Pretty sure it'll be at a catchweight
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by AfroSamurai on Jun 22, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it would have to be… can’t have either of them holding the other’s belt, really.
As far as where it should be held, I say make it the first Toronto show!
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by Ephemeral Artery on Jun 22, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only person
who DOES NOT want to see GSP vs Silva?
Maybe I’m too much of a GSP fangirl, but I don’t see how he can win this fight.
you have to be the only person
who doesn’t want to see a fight between two of the top three p4p fighters in the world.
thats like being a pacman fan and not wanting to see him fight PBF, doesn’t make any sense!
And he definitely has ways to win.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
OK FINE
When you it THAT WAY. I meant it more like, “am I the only one who’s not hoping for that fight”.
Can it actually happen?
I’d take GSP vs Silva any day over GSP vs Penn III though.
It's not really the same though....
Floyd/Manny is a fight between two guys who are pretty much naturally the same size. This would be a fight between a 170 pounder and a guy who has had success at 205. Unless they fight at 170 it would have to be GSP who has the pretty major advantage.
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by Brent Brookhouse on Jun 22, 2010 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t claim to know much about boxing, but i know that manny has to put on size to fight up, and mayweather is a beast at his weight, isn’t that correct? not beastly like the african guy manny fought, but a huge WW nonetheless.
And I think styles play into this fight more than size. Silva has never depended on being the biggest to win, and neither has GSP. If we could get a catchweight of 180 or maybe Markham-weight, Silva would have to cut a few extra pounds. I think his length is what would give GSP the most problems, but GSP has very long limbs as well.
Plus, we’ve seen GSP go head to head with Rashad in wrestling and grappling. If he can hold his own there, i see no reason Silva gives him problems. then again, i’m a fanboy
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by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they're actually pretty similar situations.
Like Silva, Floyd is naturally bigger than Manny, but also like Silva, Floyd has never really been a fighter who seems to rely on being the bigger stronger man.
It might be a tall order for a wrestling-based fighter like GSP to handle Anderson’s length and size, but he’s certainly handled stronger guys (Thiago Alves) in the past.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Did you mean to say "disadvantage"?
It seemed like that’s where you were going with your post. If not ignore the following screed. If so, it’s worth reading.
It’s never been clear to me why people believe Silva is so much larger “naturally” (whatever that means) than GSP, which seems to me a fair implication of your post: you compare GSP “a 170 pounder” to Silva “a guy who has had success at 205”. Silva has stated that on fight night he’s not cutting any weight, which means, when fighting MW, he’s about 185, and against leites he may have been smaller, since he weighed in at 182. GSP on fight night, when fighting WW, is 185. GSP in the off season is a shredded 195 lb. After a healthy diet of big macs and snickers bars Silva is a flabby 220.
The Silva is huge myth was probably started by Joe Rogan during the Griffin fight, and then unthinkingly reinforced by various MMA journalists and bloggers. Well, looks are deceiving since Silva was reported to have been about 210 during that fight, and to be honest he looked pretty soft to me.
GSP has stated that if the fight took place at MW he would take time off to bulk up. I don’t think it would take him that long given that he’s now walking around at a ripped 195 lb in the off season and wouldn’t probably want to be cutting much more than 15 lbs.
Thus, even if GSP and Silva fought at MW, Silva would not have an actual weight advantage, since he doesn’t cut any weight, unless of course he started doing so for that fight, which seems unlikely given that he hasn’t done so in the past. In fact Silva would likely be at between a 10 and 15 lb disadvantage since GSP would be cutting weight.
To forestall the next raft of objections — The objections: “It doesn’t matter that GSP would actually be bigger on fight night: Silva is taller and has longer limbs and could more easily get up to 225 and has old man strength and his frame is bigger so his actual skeleton is larger and his tendons are stronger (I’m making shit up here but I’m trying to do my best to make this position seem credible)”
Response: I find it highly unlikely that Silva would actually be “stronger” than GSP (as a result of his “natural” size advantage). 1. I’d be willing to be a lot of money Silva would lose a lifting / squatting competition with GSP. GSP does pull ups for reps after gruelling grappling sessions with 90 lbs of resistance added for good measure. That is preposterous. Nothing about Silva makes me think he’s not an outstanding athlete; nothing, on the other hand, makes me think he’s abnormally strong either. 2. GSP’s muscular endurance (+ VO2 max) has got to be better than Silva’s. GSP can grapple for seemingly forever and only be breathing mildly heavy at the end of the session. Given how much he wrestles and trains BJJ (and the fact that he never looks very tired), this isn’t surprising. Silva may be able to grapple for hours and not tire and sacrifice form, although I’ve never heard such reports, but he looked to me a bit winded after extremely minimal output against Maia. 3. Explosive strength — In generaly, Silva doesn’t seem to have the “explosiveness” (which I’m using to mean a combination of acceleration + speed + power) GSP does as demonstrated by his double leg take downs. This is slightly unfair to Silva since he’s not a wrestler, but I haven’t seen much from Silva to indicate that he has this sort of strength. For instance, people with this sort of strength can usually power their way out of bad positions (e.g., side control, mount) and Silva’s never been that guy.
Thus, even if “naturally” bigger people generally are “stronger” than their diminutive foes, other things equal, that would not seem to be the case here.
In terms of reach, GSP’s reach is 76" and Anderson’s is 77"; that’s pretty close. Anderson is about 4" taller however, which means GSP’s punches need to travel at an upward angle to hit Silva in the face and adds to Anderson’s slight reach advantage. Since GSP’s reach is longer than Shogun’s (for example), however, I’m going to say that this small reach disadvantage, by itself, at least won’t spell his doom.
In sum, I think that saying GSP will be in trouble against Silva because Silva is “naturally” bigger is wrong. GSP could come in at 185 and Silva at 225 and I don’t think it would make much of a difference. GSP, to win, would need to take the fight to the ground; something he’ll have no trouble doing as long as he doesn’t get knocked out (which with Silva is a realistic possibility).
by The Darkness on Jun 22, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Agreed
And while I’ve never heard anything BAD about Silva’s work ethic, I get the feeling that he is so good that he doesn’t really have to push himself.
GSP by all acounts works his ass off, all day, every day.
I see this one going GSP power-double hard to the mat, insta-pass to side control, lock up a head + arm, and then a storm of knees to the ribs/liver of ASilva.
by hardlyworking on Jun 22, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP wins this one, and more easily than commonly imagined.
Silva’s aura of invincibility will be exposed by Sonnen. Unless he foolishly tries to stand with Silva, he will take Anderson down repeatedly.
Sonnen lacks the ability to finish Silva, but he has near-elite takedowns and very good top control.
I mention this because it will expose Silva’s vulnerability to the functional wrestlers and make obvious how a better functional wrestler, such as GSP, could win going away.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 22, 2010 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think you are over confident.
GSP is by far one of my favourite fighters, but I think Sonnen is a better pure wrestler. I think if Silva can got off his back from Chael, he can do it with George too.
"50% of this sport is 90% mental" - Tim Sylvia
Perhaps, and I will acknowlege that Sonnen would likely win a freestyle wrestling match with GSP, BUT
I think GSP would handle Sonnen pretty easily in an mma match – his functional (mma-centric) wrestling is second to none, and Sonnen, while a world-class freestyle wrestler has not made enough of the necessary changes (offensively and especially defensively) he needs to make.
Having said all of that, I don’t see Anderson getting up from off his back easily (if at all) against Sonnen, and almost never against GSP.
Anderson might submit Sonnen, or possibly sweep him a time or two (not unlikely and unlikely respectively). But between Anderson’s over-rated BJJ & Sonnen’s average at best sub defense, its tough to say…
I believe the days of elite or near-elite BJJ guys submitting elite (or near-elite) functional wrestlers has come and gone (after rocking them, or during scrambles excepted). However, I don’t consider Sonnen as being any better than arguably near-elite as a functional wrestler.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 22, 2010 8:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with you. I think a great many A Silva fans and admirers will be unpleasantly surprised with the Sonnen fight because (i) it’s not that easy to knock someone out who doesn’t want to stand with you and (ii) Silva hasn’t fought anyone who is both a capable wrestler and will consistently work for takedowns. Silva needs to finish Chael early or I’m predicting a great deal of sadness throughout the hardcore fan community as they mourn the loss of Silva’s air of invincibility.
by The Darkness on Jun 22, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I kind of see your point...
The size discrepancy does somewhat skew the fight in Silva’s favor.
Still, if both guys are willing to fight, I’m interested in seeing what would happen.
gsp vs silva is never going to happem
they dont wont gsp to get ate up by anderson anyway
by keepitreal_and_staytrue on Jun 22, 2010 8:29 AM EDT reply actions
must be a slow news week
we’ve seen that dana quote at least three times, and thats an incredibly generic gsp vs spider quote. methinks you guys are trying to spur some Blood Yelbow discussion.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
GSP/Silva ill believe it when i see it. Fedor/UFC never happen never thought it would. He has had ample opportunity to come to the UFC if he wanted to he doesn’t. Move on people
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Id like to see GSP vs Silva at a catchweight with no belt on the line. Maybe 180. I just want to see the fight, I dont want to see the belts get held up. Its still gonna do huge buys.
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I believe that this fight happens.
At some point very soon, both guys are going to run out of credible challengers in their weight classes. After GSP mauls Kos and Silva deflates Chael there aren’t a lot of great fights for either guy. Jake Shields will spice up the WW division a bit, but even that is a stop-gap.
Silva-GSP would be a legitimate superfight that would be hugely profitable for both fighters and the organization. What’s more, I don’t see how a loss hurts either guy. If they are 1a and 1b on the P4P list, it sets up amazing rematch/trilogy potential.
If you fight it at a 195 pound catch weight, neither of them even has to give up their belt.
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an even more scary thought
what if shields beats gsp? its not a ridiculous thought, he’s been on a tear and might have comparable grappling skills. its one fight that GSP might have to showcase his standup instead.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Man I just don't see it
Shields looks like a not-quite-as-good version of Fitch to me, and GSP ate him for lunch. I think GSP keeps a fight with Shields on the feet and outclasses him badly in the stand-up.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
I don’t know if I could pick Fitch against Hendo, and Shields ate him up. He’s on what, a 14 or 15 fight winning streak? PLUS he trains with the CG and that team so I would give the edge in JJ to Shields over Fitch. I don’t know about the ability to take a punch though, Fitch is one tought SOB.
I see the same though, GSP keeping the fight standing and landing jabs and kicks at will.
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think that's Shields' big problem
He’s on a tear, but I don’t how he gets GSP on the ground with any consistency, and I definitely don’t see how he keeps him there. And Shields’ standup is truly lousy.
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Shields also already defeated Fitch in a grappling match. By far the superior grappler IMO Fitch has decent top game JJ but Shields is on a different level. As for wrestling, I would also say I think Shields is more athletic than Fitch. Fitch is a grinder but he doesn’t seem to be naturally athletic like Shields or GSP.
I disagree
While GSP is in one of the best MMA camps out there (Tristar/Jacksons), you cannot question that Cesar Gracie has one of, if not the premier JJ/grappling camps in MMA.
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by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Has nothing to do with their respective camps. You can just watch their last 5 outings to figure out who has who beat.
GSP would own Shields where ever the fight went
Shields has near elite takedowns, and elite top control, but he has never shown anything off his back.
I would put Shields’ functional wrestling above Fitch’s, but below Kos’
Bottom line – Shields has no chance of beating GSP.
He would fare much better in the UFC at MW than WW.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 22, 2010 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I guess it depends on WHEN this potential fight might happen...
GSP has Kos lined up after a season of TUF, Silva has Sonnen to look forward to, and Shields is still negotiating w/ Strikeforce and the UFC, though his arrival in the UFC looks like a foregone conclusion at this point.
Assuming that a GSP/Anderson fight happens sooner rather later, and that Shields is not going to get an automatic title shot and has to fight at least once before getting a title shot, that leaves a window of opportunity for GSP and Anderson after the Kos and Chael fights. Anderson does still have Vitor waiting in the wings, but I could see them putting that off in favor of GSP/Anderson. If they had it at a catchweight, they could conceivably have their GSP/Anderson superfight, then have them defend their titles against Shield and Vitor.
edit
177, not 195
Tatum: I think he's a good man. I like him. I got nothing against him, but I'm definitely gonna make orphans of his children.
Markham weight
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
like that he was asked about Sherdog being a douche...
specially since jeff sherwood on his radio show last wednesday openly stated that if there is an anti ufc site that Bloody Elbow comes the closest. I Dont think that Bloody Elbow is anti UFC or Anti Dana, they just love doing stories that spark controversy to attract people to their site. No one here is anti UFC or Anti Dana…except for Luke Thomas-Douche! Just kidding.
by TakingBackShawna on Jun 22, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions
You don't have to be "anti-Dana"
to call “bullshit” once in a while. That’s just responsible journalism, and at least 50% of Dana’s soundbites need someone out there who’s going to call it what what it is: BULLSHIT!
He’ great for the sport and great for the fans and even better for the UFC, but the man has an agenda and sometimes he needs to be called on it.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Jun 22, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
jeff sherwood on his radio show last wednesday openly stated that if there is an anti ufc site that Bloody Elbow comes the closest.
Funny how lots of people have said in the past that BE is the place for UFC nuthuggers.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 22, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
A lot of the time it seems like some of the writers are anti-Dana antics, pro-“good” dana, and pro UFC.
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by Austin Martin on Jun 22, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Savage made it clear that he was pro-Dana and the UFC. Jeff is in the middle of a spat with Dana due to Dana revoking Sherdog’s credentials likely because Jeff was in the Fighting Politics documentary. Dana is trying to brow beat Sherwood into submission on this one and Jeff appears to be taking it personally.
Good interview. I recommend listening to it. I hadn’t heard Dana talk about Frank Shamrock before so that was nice to hear. Also about the Fedor situation, Dana makes a good point about resigning huge stars in the UFC time after time with not many hurdles. Obviously there have been some people that walked away, the biggest probably Tito and Randy, but they came back.
Hmmm....
Sure Dana you’ve resigned all THOSE guys……..but not ONE of them is the same breed as Fedor. 34-1 arguing the 1 lose via cut. Seriously Dana can say what he wants but Fedor is the best HW. I love Brock and love watching the UFC but yes the HW is the best it’s been but compared to Fedor these guys are all rookies.
The most legit out the weight class is Lesnar- beaten Couture, Mir, Heath. Carwin biggest win is Mir. Dos Santos biggest win is Werdum. Cain biggest win is past his prime Big nog. Come on let’s be serious here.
here is what I find funny...Dana Complains constantly about the loss on jon jones' record.
yet he has no issues bringing up fedor’s loss by cut…its kind of funny…last fight white said of jones something like " I hate to hear that loss, he should be undefeated, it gets on my nerves"
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cant disagree with dana more....Fedor WILL fight the best, Allistar Overeem is sure up there with his production lately.
Strikeforce hopefully will continue to be the home of FEDOR….
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Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
If Silva ever beat GSP for the WW title, it would be a nightmare
for the UFC. Yeah, they have the best P4P fighter in the world, but he’s the best P4P fighter in the world who’s a head case with a propensity for being unreliable from a promoter’s standpoint. If you think Ed Soares was annoying before, just imagine what he’ll be like when he is managing Silva, who holds the WW and MW belts, AND is destroying people at 205? That’s just nuts. Yes, the fight is entertaining from a fan standpoint, but at what cost if Silva wins? The last thing I want to see is him pulling these bizare antics in three divisions, which I can pretty much guarantee will happen. If he wins, he’ll have all the leverage to justify his bizarre behaviour. The best case scenario would be for GSP to beat Silva at 170, or a catch weight, which I think he’ll have a good shot at doing.
Fuck Dana White.
If he really wanted to sign Fedor he should have shown some respect from the begining.
All he does is talk shit, make his fighters talk shit.
None of the HWs in the UFC have done a goddamn thing yet, they don’t deserve him.
fuck u buddy
The only way fedor gonna sign with the UFC is if the UFC co-promotion with M1 global which is never gonna happen because its bad for the UFC and it stupid to do it for 1 guy. Research before pulling stuff from your ass its not Dana white fault . it fedor pussy ass and his management fault. if he wants to fight cans that’s his fucking problem by the way fedor does not deserve to fight the best in the UFC he would get destroyed .
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You honestly don’t think Fedor deserves to be in their with guys in the UFC? You mean the Behemoth that was in the travelling circus while Fedor was dominating any challenge in front of him? I objectively look at it from both perspectives, but he doesn’t deserves it and would get destroyed is a bold statement which is based on nothing.
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fuck dana white
he wasn’t talking that “he won’t fight the best in the world” bullshit when his best HW was tim “im a cop now!” sylvia.
everything dana white says is a complete lie
Gotta love Fedor fans, they are by far the most delusional and out of touch people i’ve ever seen on the net and that is saying alot.
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you mean the man who beat three former UFC champs?
as well as beating a bunch of current great UFC heavyweights when they were in their prime?
ya, totally delusional!
everything dana white says is a complete lie
by slantedwindows on Jun 22, 2010 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Anderson Silva to 205 would wake him up
That division is stacked to all hell, and there are fighters he won’t beat there. His equals at that weight… even his betters. Top of the list, and I know you’re tired of hearing it: Jon Jones. He’s the future of MMA.
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