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The Week in Quotes: June 13th - 19th

via Sherdog

LOSS - FRANKLIN TKO (JUST GOT CAUGHT)

"I guarantee that tonight was the last night." - UFC President Dana White, on the future of Chuck Liddell's career and setting himself up for another false promise. (MMA Fighting)

"I don’t think there’s too much to talk about. I think we both know what he’s going to do. I won’t speak for him like Dana did. I’ll just say I’d rather he not do it anymore." - Liddell trainer John Hackleman. But what about all the granola he was eating before his 9 PM bed time? (Sports Illustrated)

"I’m still working on evaluating. I thought I did great before I was caught." - Chuck Liddell (Yahoo!)

"I think I looked good and I definitely was in great shape. I could have kept that pace up for another four rounds, without a doubt." - Liddell. Without a doubt...or Franklin's right hand.

"If he’s gotta do it I’d rather be there looking after him than someone else." - Hackleman, adding, "I mean, if my friend's going to put himself in serious peril, I want to make a buck off it." If you don't want your friend fighting anymore, stop offering to train him to fight.

"There’s a lot still to think about. I felt pretty good and I think showed I can compete." - Liddell. Your 1-5 record (4 KO losses) in your last 6 fights begs to differ. Hey, if you want to keep fighting Chuck, I'm fine with it. You'll just be fighting Eric Schafer.

Star-divide

AND SPEAKING OF GUYS TRYING TO MAKE A BUCK

"You can do better. You can do a lot better. I ask you to do better on behalf of clean athletes." - USADA CEO Travis Tygart, begging and pleading with the NSAC to strengthen their drug testing program. WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE ATHLETES? (MMA Junkie)

"If you want to have an effective program, you at least have to have the right to do both." - Tygart, correctly asserting that the current you-know-exactly-when-you're-taking-a-piss-only-test is completely ineffective.

AND SPEAKING OF FIGHTERS WRESTLING WITH RETIREMENT (AND CONSISTENCY)

"I wanted to prove to everyone that I'm not old and they are wrong." - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, following his submission victory over Pat Barry at UFC 115. (MMA Mania)

"In addition to winning the Pride Grand Prix Finals, it’s my favorite fight of my career [but] most of the training proved to me that I am now too old for this." - Filipovic (Fighter's Only)

"My preparation for this fight was the hardest it has been my entire life." - Filipovic, from the Mania piece.

"For 20 years I lived this life and now I have no motivation for the fight, no mental strength for all the Spartan training. I am no longer so hungry for victory. I will not stop training, but if I am asleep I’ll stay in bed and practice an hour later." - Filipovic, from the FO piece.

CAT SMASHER

"Fighters are like strippers; they ain't paying their way through college." - Chris Leben, following his TKO victory over Aaron Simpson at UFC 115. I'm a little unsure of what he's getting at here. (Yahoo!)

"If you don't understand what that means, you have to realize that there is always something underlying with all of us. Nobody in their right mind, no normal, sane person, goes ‘[expletive] college, screw my guidance counselor. I'm going to put all my chips in one basket to become a cage fighter so I can get the crap kicked out of me in front of other people.'" - Leben

"Most fighters I know do whatever they do 110 percent. For me, it's all or nothing. It's either full throttle or nothing." - Leben, never woulda guessed.

WHITE NOISE

"My biggest beef with a lot of these MMA websites is that these guys are for-profit websites. They're not [expletive] news sites. They're for-profit websites." - UFC President Dana White, who heads a for-profit fight company. Is this Russia, Danny? This isn't Russia. (MMA Junkie)

"Rory's a young guy, he's got a lot of fights ahead of him and he took a lot of damage in that last round. I didn't have any problem with the stoppage." - White, on the stoppage of the Carlos Condit/Rory MacDonald fight at UFC 115. (MMA Mania)

PARTING SHOTS

"And then he poked me in the eye. I thought I was going to be blind and deaf. Enough handicaps." - Matt Hamill, following his victory over Keith Jardine at the TUF 11 Finale. And he didn't even mention the Staph infection crawling around on his back! (UFC.com)

"I'd like to finish out my contract without any losses and then just see what God has planned for me." - Fedor Emelianenko, speaking in the third person. (MMA Mania)

"I tried to be too polished and too planned in everything I was doing, and I think I've come full circle now." - Keith Jardine. I'm not sure "polished" means what he thinks it means. (MMA Junkie)

"If the guy wants to leave, let him leave. He sucks as a fighter." - Frank Shamrock, apparently not a Jake Shields fan anymore. (Cage Writer)

"I don't want to be known as the guy who put him out of the sport or whatever. I don't like the thought of that." - Rich Franklin. Don't worry, Rich, Chuck will do his best to make sure that doesn't happen. (MMA Mania)

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Anyone know what that thing was on Hammills back? Looked pretty gross.

by Burkey22 on Jun 22, 2010 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Shamrock is acting like a coward in regards to Shields. He had his opportunity to say whatever he wanted to Jake, right to his face, and instead backed away from every word he ever uttered.

Now that big bad Jake is nowhere to be seen for Strikeforce it seems Frankie has found his voice again.

by TMadeBurner on Jun 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You seen what happened to Mayhem when he was just playing around. Imagine what would happen to Shields!

"We knew it could get out of hand..." Dick Jauron following 56-10 loss to New England.

by JD-KT on Jun 21, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe that you meant to say "Shamrock"...

No biggie, I screw up on here on a daily basis.

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by punchdrank on Jun 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so.

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by RolloTomasi on Jun 21, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

“My biggest beef with a lot of these MMA websites is that these guys are for-profit websites. They’re not [expletive] news sites. They’re for-profit websites.”

I guess Dana is cool with charities like ESPN.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I understand what he is saying though.

Sensationalizing some of the stories does have a part in leading to things like a Kimbo Slice being overhyped before he even fights a match.

But, there’s nothing Dana can do about that, nor should he even concern himself with it.

Semper Fi

by ChicagoMarine on Jun 21, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is more that he chooses to hide behind lumping all MMA sites together as if they are all one hive mind rather then separating the legitimate ones with major following from the ridiculous.

Its all moot since the reality is he wants to control the UFC media coverage and he is only willing to give up some level of control when the coverage brings in additional dollars (e.g. When established news organizations with massive audiences want to cover the UFC). Great for business but bad for accurate reporting.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The issue is he acts like the world is out to get the UFC when most MMA sites basically post UFC press releases verbatim and pretend it is original work. If some one tried to get away with saying the stuff Dana does on a daily bases in any other sport they would be ripped to shreds like a house cat at a pitbull convention.

by j.villain on Jun 21, 2010 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh he will, but only if he gets his wish and the UFC is seen as a mainstream sports league. As for now the media doesn’t care because it still thinks of MMA as human cock fighting

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kimbo wasn't hyped by MMA people.

Kimbo was a big deal to the masses, but received a lot of negative press from the MMA media. There are examples of MMA media overhyping people, but Kimbo is not one of them.

by rask4p on Jun 21, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

True, but...

… Negative attention is still “attention” (Ask Jaime Yager).

There was a fair share (not all) of MMA sites believing that Kimbo Slice had potential to challenge (although very few) some of the better Heavyweights in EliteXC when he came on the scene. That was always discerning to me because of his limited professional fighting experience and training. Never the less, whether the coverage on him was good or bad/ in support or against…

… MMA sites wrote on him and the “possibility” of him being a good fighter in MMA.

So much so, that EliteXC staked everything on him panning out (in my opinion).

Sometimes paying attention to stuff that is “irrelevant” (i.e.— an unproven Kimbo Slice) is all that is necessary to make the average fight enthusiast interested.

Semper Fi

by ChicagoMarine on Jun 22, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody stop this man before he kills himself.

Lemonade was a popular drink, and it still is. I get more stunts and props than Bruce Willis- Guru

by Dr. Octagon on Jun 21, 2010 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

No that would have meant Chuck would’ve fought back after, had a great string of victories, and then he’d get KTFO in the #1 contenders match.

I get more rec's then a Toyota!

by DayGeaux on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually understood what Leben was trying to say about the stripper comment LESS after he explained it.

by JeremyShane on Jun 21, 2010 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

please

make shields stay for one more fight, just for fun so he can absolutely demolish frank shamrock.

by bluejitz on Jun 21, 2010 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

He'll beat Shamrock...

… But he really isn’t that great of a fighter.

How far do you think he would go in UFC 185lbs?

Semper Fi

by ChicagoMarine on Jun 21, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think he’s a middleweight in the UFC and even if he was I think he flirts with the top 5/a title shot.

by TMadeBurner on Jun 21, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

agree with Tmadeburner

I apologize for my never-ending assault on the English Language. I feel like Qui the promoter from Jade Empire...

by xAtlasx on Jun 21, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another person...

underestimating Jake. Easily top 5 in either weight class.

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IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...

by punchdrank on Jun 21, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I would hesitate to make him a top 5 MW…he’s giving up a lot of size to a lot of guys.

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by Tim Burke on Jun 21, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Henderson is gonna knock him out in the first round too, right? The last time Hendo was dominated like that he was fighting a heavyweight.

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by exsanguinator on Jun 21, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Henderson did knock him out in the first round

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not trying to take anything away from Jake there, but Hendo did have a back injury. All I said was that I’d hesitate to call him a top 5 MW…I believe there are more than 4 MW’s that could handle Jakes game. Hendo’s not a huge 185 either, despite fighting at 205.

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by Tim Burke on Jun 22, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

same here

I lol’d.

It took me a second read to get it though. Sigh…

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by xAtlasx on Jun 21, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was giggling profusely. Well played.

by neyvit on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, that was actually the first time I laughed while reading one of these,

by David_ on Jun 22, 2010 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leben really has cut to the heart of the issue – up until now, at least. At this point, a career in MMA is probably the most lucrative prospect available to a whole generation of NCAA wrestlers that grew up on hard work and towns with one stoplight. This new wholesome brigade better be balanced out by some assholes that drank beer in high school.

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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 21, 2010 3:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Leben’s way off. I mean, I don’t deny that there are plenty and plenty of guys who choose fighting as a career as some sort of outlet for their upbringings or emotional imbalances (War Machine, Junie Browning, etc. etc.). But that’s also ignoring the fact that lots of guys fight because they grew up poor and have nothing else to fall back on. Lots of guys want to continue competing after college wrestling is over. Lots of guys want to test their skills. I’d be pretty insulted if I was a fighter lumped into Leben’s weird outlook/projection.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

He just doesn’t know any other perspective than his own and probably doesn’t know any better and truly believes this. I am not saying that he isn’t a smart person but it seems that he doesn’t quite realize that their are any other reasons to fight than the reasons he fights for. He is sort or naively narcisistic.

Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac

IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...

by punchdrank on Jun 21, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is disgusting.
“If he’s gotta do it I’d rather be there looking after him than someone else.”

That’s absolute textbook enabling. People justify letting their alcoholic friends and family members drink around them using the same logic, and it does not work out. Stupid fucking thing to say.

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by pdl on Jun 21, 2010 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I have no problem with enabling

Allowing someone to do something is not the same as making them do it, or even encouraging them to do it.

I like using semi-colons; they make me feel smart.

by Llewdor on Jun 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I didn’t like the Leben quote either. I’m pretty sure that a lot of athletes (over 50%) in MMA have their college degrees. That has a lot to do with NCAA wrestlers transitioning into the sport, but you rarely see guys say “*&#$ college I’m going into MMA”

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by Brian Hemminger on Jun 21, 2010 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

At the local/regional level

Leben is 100% correct. Having fought in local shows in the Southwest, I’d guess a solid 95% of the fighters on my cards didn’t have a college degree and were fighting because they either a. thought it would make them look tough, b. thought they could make a living off of it in the future, or c. were just a little crazy in the head and wanted to fight for the sake of fighting.

If we’re talking about the mma elites, then yes, I do believe that 50% of them do have college degrees, but I’d suggest that a lot of that has to do with the relative infancy of the sport in general. I think we’re going to see more young fighters in the future groomed specifically to fight in mma and skipping college the way professional boxers have traditionally made the leap. Right now, a collegiate wrestling background will get you in the door of a solid mma gym, but I’m starting to see more and more kids starting to train at 10-12 years old with more well-roundedness than many of the pro fighters on many cards (obviously not possessing tthe strength, yet).

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by Rudinho479 on Jun 21, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea were about 5-6 years away from a pretty massive influx of new talent that has been training for MMA the same way kids grew up playing basketball or football. Scary stuff.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did Frank Shamrock say something different in-between Shields win over Mayhem and his win over Hendo?

I’m pretty sure Frank tore into Shields following his win over Mayhem too. He said he killed the ratings by “humping Mayhem Miller’s leg for 25 minutes” (it is true the ratings dropped quite a bit during that match). If he said nothing different in-between, then Shamrock is kind of being consistent here.

by Chromium on Jun 21, 2010 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

He said, and I don’t think I’m paraphrasing too much here, “I’m a Jake Shields fan,” after the Henderson fight. To Jake’s face.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2010 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think it’s possible for me to have less respect for Frank right now. If he wanted to say something to Shields he have every opportunity after the fight and instead he turtled up and kept his mouth shut.

Weaksauce to say the least.

by TMadeBurner on Jun 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

he should have said “jake, you’re lucky dan has a fucked up back”

by oousty on Jun 22, 2010 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ive been a fan of Leben's since he KO'd that door in the TUF house

But that quote mindfucks me and I still have no idea what he’s trying to say.

we're seeking articulate and thoughtful you are neither.

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by II SMASH II on Jun 21, 2010 4:14 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I think he’s talking about his strippers say they’re just stripping to get to school, they’re not really that person, who strips, just doing it for practical reasons, fighters aren’t just doing this “for now” or because they hAve to, but rather because they get satisfaction from fighting, the same way a stripper gets satisfaction from stripping for a bunch of strangers

by kanodogg on Jun 21, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

the same way a stripper gets satisfaction from stripping for a bunch of strangers

Where are those at? Every dancer I’ve ever seen looks like shes in a psychotropic daze the entire time shes doing her job.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

west coast… phoenix, southern california… every strip club i’ve been to has alot of those “i love to be a whore” type chicks. yeah there are some like what you’ve described, just gotta stay out of the ghetto places.

by kanodogg on Jun 21, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

We’ll the only strip clubs I go to are in L.A. and Vegas so I guess I’m going on the wrong nights.

How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?

by Day Man on Jun 21, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

…Wait a second, so War Machine and Junie Browning aren’t fighting to put themselves through college. I feel scammed!

I get more rec's then a Toyota!

by DayGeaux on Jun 21, 2010 4:16 PM EDT reply actions  

hey now…why you gotta hate on Schafer?

by handlas on Jun 21, 2010 4:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Not just that, but I believe that Eric “Red” Schafer was cut by the UFC.

by chrisbboy82 on Jun 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got blasted by the Master Bader

Made a game comeback but fell short.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think he got another fight (Versus card?) after that one and then got cut.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I am not mistaken, Schafer was cut after losing to Jason Brilz on the UFC on Versus card.

by chrisbboy82 on Jun 21, 2010 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafer did not get blasted by Bader. It went the distance was definitely Bader’s toughest fight yet. Bader was in trouble at times on the ground, getting put in some bad spots. His striking looked like shit (still better than Schafer’s) and he was pretty much gassed in the second round.

by Electro Boy on Jun 21, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Schafer nearly got knocked out cold

It was a good fight but he got clocked.

Bader is another fighter who has great wrestling but looping, awful punches.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Looping awful puches” That KTFO Jardine…

"My hair does not need style,it keeps the world in balance and smells like the rainforest 'cause I'm so savage."-Miguel Torres via twitter

Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 21, 2010 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sort of like Shalorus against Will Kerr.

"It's fourth and fifteen and you're looking at a full-court press." - Lt. Frank Drebin, Police Squad

by SSreporters on Jun 21, 2010 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I mean, if my friend's going to put himself in serious peril, I want to make a buck off it." ???

That makes him sound way worse. Yeah you should make a buck off Liddel getting KO’d again and developing Parkinson’s or some shit because he’s your friend. Tool

by J_Maddux on Jun 21, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Just to be clear, he didn’t actually say that.

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by Mike Fagan on Jun 21, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I think J_Maddux is a tad confused.

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Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Jun 21, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

In my opinion, Rashad KO’ed Chuck into retirement.

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by BadB on Jun 21, 2010 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If Chuck was Byzantium, Rashad was the Fourth Crusade, and Rich is the Ottoman Empire.

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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 21, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

And so clubs and porn stars are scurvy and tuberculosis…

by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 22, 2010 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Rampage knock didn’t help matters.

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by Neil Manich on Jun 21, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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