Quote of the Day: Chuck Liddell Still Undecided on Retirement
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 21, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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"I’m still working on evaluating. I thought I did great before I was caught. I have to look at it some more and think about it. I think I looked good and I definitely was in great shape. I could have kept that pace up for another four rounds, without a doubt."
"It’s hard to beat that [aggressiveness] out of me, because that’s who I am and that’s who I’ve been for a long, long time. People like watching me because of the way I fight, so it’s hard to get me not to fight that way.""There’s a lot still to think about. I felt pretty good and I think showed I can compete. I’m not going to rush and I’ll do what I think is best. I’m just not at a point to make that decision yet."
--UFC Hall-of-Famer, Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell (21-8) talked to Kevin Iole and said that while he hasn't decided on retirement yet, he feels that he still has some gas left on the tank.
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Not a good sign...
sounds like the first step in convincing himself that he can still fight again.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
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Definately not a good sign. That practically guarantee’s Chuck will fight again… Maybe out of anger Dana will place him on a undercard or for free preliminary on Spike before a ppv? Or maybe Dana says no and he goes to Strikeforce?
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I have to wonder...
if going to Strikeforce as his only option after so long with the UFC would be the wake-up call he needs?
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I think he would go...
He has too much pride to let someone else dictate when and how his career ends. Just to try to prove he isn’t done, I bet that he would go.
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Apparently I'm in the minority
but I thought the punch that knocked him out was a legit knockout punch.
Chuck’s weight was coming forward and it hit right on the bottom of the chin. I think that punch knocks out most guys. And Chuck looked excellent up until then.
Criticize his defense, but I don’t think it was his chin that did him in this time.
Rich had his whole body into that punch
It was no less a legit knockout punch than Carwin’s short right that crumbled Gonzaga.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 21, 2010 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a lergit KO punch,
butity isn’t just that one punch that is the issue.
Nobody wants to watch Chuck get KO’d anymore.
Sure it was defintely a legit KO punch..
It was on the button and had some force behind it..
That’s not the problem though..
Essentially, Chuck is like most fighters or athletes that reach an apex in their sport or profession. They refuse to accept defeat at the hands of mother nature. It’s not that Chucks chin is completely shot. It’s that his entire body is vastly coming to a halt in competitive fighting. If you notice his body mechanics are completely lumbering now.. He defense is always going to be a liability, it always has been. The difference between now and then was his body was able to respond in a timely enough manner to avoid any major damage.. Now he just can’t get off and get out of the way fast enough.. He’s essentially telegraphing everything because his body is slow.
He’s just not going to withstand the punishment he’s going to get from the top of the LHW division anymore.. Sure he can be competitive in a sense.. He’s always going to have a punchers chance. He’s at the end of the road and chooses to avoid reality rather than embrace it.. No one should be shocked.. His competitive mentality forbids him from accepting defeat mentally, physically and emotionally. He’s just another great athlete that’s lost his bout to mother nature. Try telling Michael Jordan today that he couldn’t hang with Kobe and Lebron.. Try telling any great former athlete that peaked in their respective sport that they can’t compete anymore.. The majority of them will find a way to deny it..
Chuck, not for us.. but for yourself.. Just hang em up.. You have nothing to prove.. You’ve done it all.. You were one of the first mainstream stars of the sport. You were a defending champion. You got the money, the fame, the cars, the women, you got it all.. One thing you just wont get again is that title and it’s not going to disappoint anyone at this point.. All greats leave a legacy.. Don’t let yours be another story of too stubborn, too late…
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by MMAuthority on Jun 21, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Chuck has had 29 professional fights...
all but 5 of which have been in the UFC, and 2 of those were in Pride representing the UFC. I have to think that if Dana said to Chuck that if he wants to continue fighting that it won’t be in the UFC that it would have some serious impact of Chuck.
I hope it would.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Correction: All but 6 of Chucks fight have been in the UFC...
and its 3 that were in Pride, not 2.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
kinda hard to say. putting chuck in against forrest or tito wouldnt be much of a risk at all. I don’t think you can say his chin is completely done after this fight, the punch was timed perfectly.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 21, 2010 12:33 AM EDT reply actions
Forrest would murder him.
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by Charles Awad on Jun 21, 2010 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Ahh…. Fickle MMA fans.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 21, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
ah….. elitist fans who take their opinion as fact.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 21, 2010 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
You saw what Keith Jardine did to Chuck Liddell with kicks,didn’t you?Forrest would be able to do the same thing.
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by Brian Mayes on Jun 21, 2010 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Just because of the way that fight turned out
doesn’t automatically translate to Chuck + fighter with leg kicks = loss. Chuck still has a sufficient enough amount of power to put Griffin on his ass at any point.
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You better go to bed lil bitch cause I was about to twist your shit sideways kid
and now you have something interesting that you’ll wake up to.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Not that I don't disagree with your comment...
but more your response
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by actionbastard on Jun 21, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Chuck Liddell isn’t beating a legit Top Ten fighter at this point in his career,and despite what you may think,Forrest Griffin is one of those.I fail to see how a completley shot Chuck Liddell is going to beat a guy who went life and death for 25 minutes with Quinton Jackson.
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i dont think this is the specific case to make the arguement of opinion as fact. How can anyone make an arguement that LIddell wouldn’t get taken out by Forrest? Maybe Liddell could break both of Forrest’s arms in round one?
Totally devoid of the point, but good look finding anyone that agrees with you on this.
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by Charles Awad on Jun 21, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Chuck, your chin has decided for you. Retire for your kids' sake.
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by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 21, 2010 12:34 AM EDT reply actions
Really
it’s not a matter of how good of shape he’s in, he just can’t take the shots any more. And realistically if we we’re being fair he’d have to keep his career going somewhere else cause losing your last five fights out of six, four by KO, just doesn’t cut it for the UFC no matter who you are.
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by Fake Emcee on Jun 21, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He doesn’t have the quickness either. Shoguns shot came from the stands at him and he didn’t even see it coming.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 21, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what puts him in a different space then a lot of other over the hill fighters
not only have his skills diminished, but he also just doesn’t have anywhere near the punch resistance he used to and that little “take a year off to heal the brain” experiment of his obviously didn’t help out any. This is why guys should stop just relying on their heads to block shots just cause they can take a hit and really focus on solid defense otherwise it’ll come back and bite them in the ass like it potentially has for Nog as well.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
Babalu actually looked pretty good against Lawler, and it is not like Babalu has slowed down like Chuck has. I would still give the advantage to Chuck, but the Babalu now versus the Chuck now is not the same as when they fought back then.
by chrisbboy82 on Jun 21, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
"I could have kept that pace up for another four rounds, without a doubt."
Uh, minus getting knocked out in the first?
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
I know someone has brought this up before me, but how come no one is calling for keith jardine’s retirement? his chins much worse than chucks, and hes been knocked out more.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 21, 2010 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hrm. i cant argue with you i guess, because im pretty much in that group.
by Hendo_One-Shot on Jun 21, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Cro Cop is 34, Wand is 34……see what I did?
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Pain don't hurt...
Cro Cop is 35 and doesn’t want to fight anymore, not to mention he’s had 9 more MMA fights than Liddell and 23 kickboxing bouts. Wand is 33 but he has had 16 more fights than Liddlell has had in his career, including numerous wars in Pride. Big Nog is 34 but he has had 11 more fights than Liddell (including some scary Pride moments). I see what you did but you made the mistake of picking guys who Pride tried to kill during their careers there, that makes a big difference.
Cro Cop is not retireing, he’s postureing for another contract. He’s riding a 3 fight winning streak. I doubt he would retire.
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The difference is that Keith Jardine has never had a good jaw to begin with.He was always a guy who was prone to getting knocked out.He was getting lamped in six seconds by Travis Wiuff all the way back in 2002.
Chuck on the other hand traditionally had a great jaw.This guy could take a hell of a shot and come right back.He got straight folded against Guy Mezger,and came back to win that fight.Took multiple kill shots from Vitor Belfort and didn’t even blink.Now,a stiff breeze will knock him out.That’s a clear sign that he’s taken too many blows.
Totally different case from Jardine,who could never take a shot to begin with.
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I have yet to hear Chuck discuss the fact that his “chin” is blown. Yes you looked better. Yes you threw more kicks. Yes your cardio is great. Yes you charged in with absolutely no defense and got knocked unconscious by a short right hook that you used to eat for breakfast, AGAIN. Stay this madness!
by Kwisatz Haderach on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
This was seriously the worst fight Chuck could be thinking about retiring after…he looked the best he has in years, better than the Wanderlei fight from what we got to see…but…I just feel like his chin won’t stand up even against up and comers. I don’t want to see him go out losing to some kid, want to see him go out at least saying he has the skills, but his body just doesn’t agree.
It’s gotta be hard though, I won’t judge Chuck whatever decision he makes…but my preference is obvious.
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by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 21, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions
Sometimes.. When your body breaks down as it has for Chuck..
Your best simply isn’t good enough anymore..
Sure he looked good for most of the round and almost won the round. But almost isn’t good enough… Keith Jardine “almost beat ’Hamill”
Rampage Jackson “almost beat Rashad”
Couture “almost beat Nog”
Barry “almost beat Cro Cop”
Gonzaga “almost beat Carwin”
Chuck has a mentality that follows this pattern or belief:
Three isn’t a winner… and two nobody remembers.. Almost doesn’t get him anywhere in the sport at his age..
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Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
by MMAuthority on Jun 21, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I say what the H E double hockey sticks (sorry to get a little PG-13 there)
Let him at least fight Tito last as an appropriate retirement fight. Have Chuck agree that win or lose he’ll hang them up afterwards, and if he beats Tito we might as well say goodbye to him as well.
Fake Emcees, we always act hard, but won't walk the streets without our bodyguards.
This would be ideal. But it seems a little far fetched.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 21, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Sides his chin being gone
I just don’t want him to get to the point where people who aren’t top level are knocking him out and making a name for themselves because his name still carries weight in the sport. Liddell now versus the guy he was 5 years ago is a night and day difference and he’s ruining his legacy.
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chuck vs jardine 2 . loser goes home…forever…as a favor from Dana
by kchav21 on Jun 21, 2010 12:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I don't want to see Chuck get KO'd again
but I wouldn’t be able to walk up to him, knowing all he’s done for MMA, and tell him to stop. Sorry. I think he’s earned the right to do this his own way – and it will be painful for Iceman fans but if he wants to fight again he will.
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I think chuck had his chance
and he couldve showed a old iceman a more defensive fighter who can still knock out people out he use to wait on other to slip up then knock them out but his getting knocked out got him running into battle and losing
by Isaac Audacia Jaz on Jun 21, 2010 12:58 AM EDT reply actions
Tito is underrated at this point due at least in part to his antics. He isn’t a top five guy anymore but he’s still a dangerous opponent who took three former light heavyweight champions to decisions in his last three fights.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Feed Tito to Chuck.
Better yet, stick a camera in Tito’s face and film his reaction as Joe Silva tells the “Bad Boy” he still has to face Chuck.
Over/Under on Tito pooping himself?
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Im 50/50 on Chuck hanging it up.
I hate seeing him get KO’ed, but he is losing to top 10 talent.
Give him a gatekeeper to send him off right.
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Bad, bad idea....
Current denial state that he is in… that would only feed his delusion that he is ready to make a run for “his belt” again, so then he’ll get KTFO again by a middle of the pack fighter…
I almost think, set him up with Anderson,if he really wants to fight. at least it will be brutally entertaining.
its his decision just like it was Alis and willie mays to keep going. It may not be pretty but for what they accomplished in there careers they have the right themselves to pull the plug nobody else.
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He'll dominate Franklinweight for sure.
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by DamnSevern on Jun 21, 2010 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Dana has to step in and handle this even if he forces his hand he cannot let Chuck continue to go down this road and end up like Shamrock a sad shell of what he was fighting nobodies.
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Can we get him a fight with Sakuraba?
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 21, 2010 2:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I hope not
that would be awful for Sakuraba. Physically he’s even more shot than Chuck, his chin just isn’t as bad. He depends on taking the fight to the ground, something Chuck is still very good at denying. Not to mention at his current weight he’s giving up 40 pounds.
I was totally joking.
A fight with Stephan Bonnar sounds right, brings us full-circle from TUF, too.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 21, 2010 2:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Manhoef fight was the official moment for me
that it was no longer fun watching Sakuraba get the shit beaten out of him. The Wanderlei fights were bad, but Manhoef just… fuck.
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Well, Saku made one of the Wandy remnatches interesting (im thinking the 3rd). But yeah, Manhoef went medeval on Sakuraba. Arona wasnt fun either.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is why you don't cut Kimbo Slice
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
I was considering this same thing...
if he is still having illusions of competing at the top, show him what the new top is going to look like pretty soon.
Its one thing for Chuck to lose to a contemporary like Rampage or Rua, but a young guy like Jones mopping the floor with him would hopefully make reality undeniable.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Some just never learn
he already has been viciously knocked out by Rashad, Shogun and Rich. Having Bones toss him to the ground and elbow his brains into soup probably won’t work either.
Chuck Liddell is quickly becoming the Brett Favre of MMA. And just like with Favre, I am finding it harder and harder to care with each career related flip-flop.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
I don’t think he’s flip flopping as much as other people are speaking for him.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Oh sorry, I thought that since the person being quoted was speaking in the first person that it was Chuck speaking in the interview.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 21, 2010 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions
…
As far as his retiring goes.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
gotcha.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 21, 2010 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The Favre reference doesn't work
On several levels. For one, Chuck never said he was retiring, the “league” said he should. Two, Chuck didn’t try to screw his old team or prevent others from ascending in the ranks. He and new fights may co-exist. And third, Favre can still perform among the best in the league.
Being overrated is overrated.
The only comparison I was making with Chuck and Favre was the "will i wont i " bullshit. If you dont know, go clubbing or play touch football in jeans for a while and get back to me when you make a fucking decision. This sad desire to be in the forefront is just lame.
The Favre comparison also works because Favre blew it in the Championship game by pulling the same old gunslinger bullshit, throwing across his body over the middle of the field and cost his team the game. Chuck is doing the same thing going in there swinging wild with his chin out when a solid fart in the general direction of his chin will help him get his Z’s.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 21, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow, I just realized that since Chuck K.O.’d Tito he is 1 and 5 (knocked senseless in four of those losses) and his one win is over a guy who is 2 and 5 over his last seven fights. If hes not done as a fighter he definitely needs a step down in competition.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
He should retire from a medical point of view, but if he wants to risk permanent brain damage for his ambitions, I can’t really say I would stop him. He is a grown ass man, if he doesn’t realize what is happening to him, or if he does and wants to take the risk and if the ACs keep permitting him to fight, then so be it.
Chuck Liddell vs Houston Alexander? No.. he might get ko’ed.. Eric Schafer? He might get subbed. Matt Hamill? He might get staph. Keith Jardine? He might lose to him again. Tito Ortiz? What if tito knocked him out? Dana would kill himself. Who else is there? Tim Boetsch? He’d probably wreck Chuck. Call up David Heath? He’d probably win too at this point.
There is really nobody at 205 that does not represent some kind of risk for Chuck and the less the risk presented, the less reward the victory has for Chuck, which further reduces his legacy.
Chuck took over a year off, did everything there is to do in the sport, he should just rest his brain for the sake of his children, get a corporate job with the UFC so he isn’t slurring in a chair in his 50s with alzheimers and a limp.
Chuck’s going to want Tito before he retires because that is personal. I would imagine that if Dana did go for that then that would be the last favor.
From Liddell's POV, I dont get it
He’s beat the shit out of the guy twice
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 21, 2010 3:04 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Tito still won’t shut up. Just look at the last season of TUF, Chuck says numerous times that Tito owes him a fight. I don’t get it either but he just seems to really want to fight Tito again.
dude its gotta be fun
to be able to consistently shut-up a hater.
by Body Triangle on Jun 21, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Broken record. After a while, it's no longer just getting caught, but getting beat.
I got caught. There’s nothing else I can say.
- After getting KO’d by Rampage Jackson
I got caught man, what do you want me to say?
- After getting KO’d by Rashad Evans.
I made mistakes at the wrong time and got caught.
- After getting KO’d by Shogun.
I thought I did great before I was caught.
- After getting KO’d by Rich Franklin.
by pud333 on Jun 21, 2010 3:26 AM EDT reply actions 6 recs
"Getting caught"...
implies some amount of luck being involved, however once it starts happening over and over again it SHOULD be hard to deny that it probably isn’t luck, good or bad.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
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That
is not the worst list of people on Earth to get KO’ed by.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 21, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's going to end up brain-damaged
If he keeps getting his bell rung like that. Man, it’s not like we want him to retire because we hate him… we love the guy and what he’s done for the sport, and we want him to exit before some permanent damage gets done. I know it’s hard to look in the mirror and realize you’re not what you were 10 years ago. It’s just another type of midlife crisis, when people come face to face with their mortality and it really hits them that yes, they’re going to die one day, and they’re probably at least halfway through this journey. It’s a real watershed moment in life. It’s often traumatic. But there it is. Just let go, Chuck. Let it go. Find a way to be involved in the sport without getting in the ring. Train kids. Be a spokesman, hold camps, announce, help Dana pick match-ups, be an ambassador for MMA, just don’t get back in the Octagon, dude. Peace.
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Guys like Chuck need to be involved...
in the development and progress of the sport. I’m sure he would be invaluable in helping improve judging and other behind the scene stuff.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
This sums up my view on Chuck Liddell’s refusal to go quietly…
Chuck comes across as a lifer
Like he says himself, he doesn’t know what else to do but fight, and pretty much doesnt seem to want to learn. That usually translates into a bad ending. For his sake, I really hope that he does decide to retire…Although must say that I’m not optimisitic.
Give him Tito. When he gets KTFO by Tito of all people maybe he’ll get the picture.
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by xFenixKnightx on Jun 21, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
They're both done, really.
Tito will never fight again. He’s broken.
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I was doing real good...
Right up until I got knocked slap the f*** out.
Dude, it’s over. For your own personal well being… let it go.
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