The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale Post-Fight: Matt Hamill Fought With a Staph Infection and a Broken Hand
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 10:24 AM EDT
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See that nasty looking red spot on Matt Hamill's back? Well, during the post-fight presser, he confirmed that it was a staph infection. Aside from fighting through that and getting his eye poked in the second round, Hamill also said that he gutted out a decision with a broken hand from the first.
Despite all of those, he still won a majority decision over Keith Jardine and got themselves a $25,000 'Fight of the Night' bonus for their troubles. Here's "the Hammer" talking about the damage he took on that fight:
It just happened so fast and I just go all out with my hands. I don't know what happened. I just fought my heart out. It happened in the 1st round. I knew something was wrong with my hand.
I lost my power and I was trying to go for a takedown. When I grabbed his leg, I had no power to grip... It looked like the Hulk. [Shows his broken hand and Laughs] ...And then he poked me in the eye. I thought I was going to be blind and deaf. Enough Handicaps. But I could fight all night on the feet. Even though I'm not good at striking. But I'm glad I came and fought.
Keith Jardine is a great fighter. I just wanna be in the top ten fighters in the world. I just want to let people know that I am a great fighter. I want people to know that I belong in the UFC and I'm gonna do better next time. If you are not happy with the way I'm fighting, I'm sorry. I'll come back again and do a lot better. I promise you that.
TUF 11 Finale Awards and Bonuses ($25,000 Each):
Fight of the Night - Matt Hamill vs Keith Jardine
Knockout of the Night - Chris Leben
Submission of the Night - Court McGee1,708 Fans -- Live Gate of $430,250
--video via mmaweekly
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You are aloud to fight with staph?
I mean, I am no doctor but I was under the impression that staph infection was contagious…
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
that was meant to be “allowed”… I cannot spell on here.
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
it’s ok you were just thinking allowed.
by naturalist on Jun 20, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Nice! :)
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
wait, what does fighting with staph have to do as a response to: How could you not like this guy?? quit trying to squeeze your response in as a reply to the first post slacker.
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am a slacker...
Mom.
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
IF YOU CANNOT WRESTLE, FIND ANOTHER PROFESSION...
i lol'd
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Doctors don't give a full body inspection
before they clear you to fight. Usually its eyes, hands, blood pressure, heart rate, etc.
Train hard, fight smarter.
Damn. I always root for Hamill. He’s a class act.
I’m surprised they allow people to fight with staph. I’m sure if you hide it easily but something like what he has seems obvious. i mean alot of people knew that was staph when they saw the weigh ins. I’m just surprised he would get cleared with it
Hamill is a class act? I have never heard anyone say that before.
Fighting with that infection likely put his opponent, Court, and Kris in a very bad situation.That’s not classy in my mind.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 20, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
hataz gonn hateeeeee
I mean, if you couldnt tell the guy was pure class from stating post fight that bones was the winner last fight, i dont know how you can be impressed. He couldve been told that he couldnt fight with the infection, but he said he could and md’s gave him clearance, so unless you know more about the situation than a medical doctor maybe you can save the hate for Most Diabolical?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 20, 2010 11:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How can you possibly question the track record of the NSAC?
Trust me…I’m a Doctor.
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 20, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
fuck.
i am ashamed. i just rec’d a Snowden comment. i may not be able to live with myself anymore. ;)
regardless, he’s right.
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by bobthewriter on Jun 20, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m glad he’s hard on himself about his skills, but really, his striking is an off and on kind of thing. He went from flopping in that department in the Franklin fight, to beasting on Munoz. Then he was doing well in the standup against Jones, finding a home for his jab, of course, we know what happened after that. His standup wasn’t as pretty as it’s been in the past tonight, but it did him well enough to get the win. I imagine it can be difficult to go try to train with the best in the world in different aspects of the sport being deaf. If he can go out of his way and try to find a way to work with guys like Mark Dellagrotte, or Greg Jackson, he can sharpen his skills even more.
I only have a few fighters I REALLY like, where I feel that knot in my gut when they fight a good fighter, or get a true smile when they share their thoughts. Matt Hamill gives me the warm fuzzies, no homo. He’s overcome A LOT just to get here, and he’s still facing challenges. He fought a very game Keith Jardine tonight, despite having a staph infection (scoff at it all you want, staph will drain every bit of energy you have, to fight for three rounds has to be hell) and his broken hand…thats a double tough son of a bitch.
He sits on the shelf with guys like Wanderlei, Chuck, and Mirko. Call me a nuthugger all you want, at least I’m hugging them for the right reasons, no hype, myth, skill involved, I’d be rooting for Hamill in any situation, just because he’s Matt Hamill.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also worthy of note, Keith Jardine doesn’t deserve to be cut after that performance, he fought a damn good fight.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Its happened in the past, but I just dont agree with cutting a fighter after he wound up on the losing end of a FOTN, regardless of jardines current record. I think jorge gurgel was cut after a fotn performance which just doesnt seem right to me.
So Jardine, who now owns a sub-.500 UFC record and has lost his last four fights, deserves to keep his job in the biggest fight organization in the world because he lost a close, entertaining decision to a mid-level 205er? Didn’t Dana say the UFC was a place for the best fighters in the world?
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by Mike Fagan on Jun 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
but to be fair, both guys are ranked in the top 25.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it’s only one source (may be the only real source for this sort of thing), but FightMatrix has recent UFC cuts Mark Coleman at 28, Wilson Gouveia at 33, and Jake O’Brien at 45.
It’s not a crime for Jardine to keep his spot, but he’s lost four fights in a row and using his last fight as the primary reason while ignoring prior losses seems odd.
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Jardine has to go
There simply isn’t real estate for 205 floaters in the UFC. If he wants to be in the UFC that badly, he can do “reinvent” himself for the 15th time in the MFC, score a couple of wins against their best talents, come back home as a short notice replacement or an undercard fight and try to ring up a victory to show he can stick around for a while and work his way back up. I mean, I realize the guy takes tough fights, but so what? You’ve gotta win something.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Blackout612 on Jun 20, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Which makes me wonder..
…what these two plodders were doing main eventing.
Realistically, if he’s good enough for a ME, he should be good enough to keep after a loss.
Koscheck eats it.
First of all, it wasn't the main event
Second, this was a TUF card. And lastly, Hamill is not a fuckin plodder. He had one pro fight before beginning his UFC career, and he’s gone 8-2. People need to stop shitting all over fighters because they’re not Fedor, GSP or Anderson.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Blackout612 on Jun 20, 2010 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
... says the guy who once threatened to "flag" me during a Herschel Walker debate
I still like you, though. You’re a worthy adversary :-)
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
What the fuck are you talking about?
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
a ridiculous exchange we had some time back
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/11/9/1123624/will-we-see-josh-barnett-vs-fedor#24167816
it’s nothing, i was joking. i just found that demotivational poster a couple weeks back and have been dying to use it.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember it
What about that makes me a hypocrite?
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
"People need to stop shitting all over fighters because they're not Fedor, GSP, or Anderson."
That part right there.
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 8:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you fucking kidding?
Because of my comments about Herschel Walker who had no professional fights? Hahaha! Know when to pick a fight, guy..
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
What, do you think fighters are like the bitch from Matilda who said “Kids… glad I never was one”?
If you can point out to me a fighter who began his career with a record of 7-2, I’ll concede the point.
And who says we’re fighting? Just a friendly back-and-forth =)
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
With Blackout
It’s best to just walk away.
by judonerd on Jun 20, 2010 10:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It's just he was gone for so long
But now with him and subo i have cause to pull the old machete from under my bed, “Patriot”-style
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 10:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On Hamill's striking...
Back to back fights against Jon Jones and Jardine are not the best opportunities to measure the improvement in your striking. Both of those fighters, for different reasons, are prone to making whoever they fight look bad.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Very true. I still feel like Hamill was doing great on the feet against Jones…he didn’t look amazing or anything, but I felt really surprised that we was landing as well and often as he was. Especially with Jones having so much reach. Hamill’s wrestling is there, and hell, in the little bit of time he was on top of Jardine on the ground, he opened that nasty cut on him with just a few punches, so you know he’s got to hit hard. Hamill’s dream for being a top 10 fighter is attainable, I’d like to see him get there.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree that Hamill was doing better than most against Jones...
and that probably lead to Jones going for that takedown…and we saw how that ended up.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
If Hamill is going to be a top-10 fighter
It is probably going to have to be at 185.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 20, 2010 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you see how much bigger than Jardine he looked??? He’s bigger than most 205’ers. I don’t think Hamill would get close to 185.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed on that one.
I was thinkin that too during the fight. Jardine came in originally as a Heavyweight and Hamill looked much bigger.
If Hamill is going to be a top 10 fighter, it’s going to involve a lot of sad stories about fighters.
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Looks familiar...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Gotta love a guy with a sense of humor
.And then he poked me in the eye. I thought I was going to be blind and deaf. Enough Handicaps
Eep so that's what staph is?
Good lord I’d have thought that that had just been an ugly laceration → scab…
This top 10 list might change your mind, (or make you puke)…
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Not clicking that, about to eat some carne asada and chips
by Bob Boblaw on Jun 20, 2010 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
How did Randleman not die from that...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
yeah…totally gnarly staph, looks like something out of a horror movie.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 20, 2010 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Managed to get through it without hurling
Although… you know the frame that the “TUF season four” video is frozen on when you don’t press Play? I’ve had whatever that guy had, though I’m not sure if that wasn’t simply a bad case of eczema (which I’ve had in past years).
That, and wondering how the Drew McFredries and Randleman infections were physically possible. Not how they survived (thank gosh they did), but how those were friggin’ possible. Makes me feel a little less positive about Roger Gracie beating Randleman…
I will never be a fan of Hamill after what he did after the Munoz fight and nothing you can say or do will change that.
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I think he was referring to Hamill's celebration?
I don’t see anything wrong with being excited about getting your first head kick KO…
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I have to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one...
especially since being callous towards another fighter appears to be way out of character for him.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
yeah,
I mean, it’s not like he was being disrespectful towards Munoz, the guy looked genuinely happy about getting his first KO.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Why are people applauding him getting into the ring?
It is DISGUSTING that he got into the ring with a staph infection.
I am just glad it was the main event and not the first fight on the card.
Truly disgusting. Staph is a huge problem, he shouldn’t even have been fighting tonight,
That's what I just posted about, too
We wouldn’t have been allowed to touch the wrestling mat if we had an infection, ring worm, or anything else contagious like that. I am genuinely surprised it’s ok in MMA.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
I don't think it's okay.
The Athletic commissions might have fucked up on that one.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
What about the ref?
In wrestling, the ref inspects our bodies and if he sees a cut or sore or whatever, he calls the doctor over to look at it and give the ok or the no-go, or to see if it can be covered up in compliance with the rules.
I am just genuinely shocked that a fighter with staph managed to step into the Octagon. Nothing against Matt himself. I don’t really follow him or Jardine, no dog in this fight, just commenting strictly as an unbiased observer.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
And what about Hamill?
He knew about it and, for mine, had a responsibility to tell the commission – and his opponent.
If I were Jardine and my opponent turned up with that gaping sewer hole on his back, I wouldn’t get within ten feet of him.
Gym I used to go to got one guy show up with ringworm for one class, nobody figured it out until the end and the place shuttered for a week to be properly cleaned.
Staph is not a gummy knee – something you can soldier on through. It’s contagious, as numerous Ultimate Fighter contestants have learned to their peril.
Koscheck eats it.
I applaud him for not giving up despite having a broken hand, poked eye, and that infection....
the Blame on him being allowed to fight though, is a different topic, and should be pointed solely on the Athletic commissions…
(and hamill also mentioned that he just found out it was indeed staph, and will start antibiotics tomorrow)
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions
His fight camp knew, his trainers knew, the UFC knew(their officials pat people down before fights), the medical official at the UFC event tonight should lose his license.
There is no excuse for letting a highly contagious infection into the ring in a primetime fight card.
It is inexcusable.
I can only go from what they are saying, but
I am so glad you are so sure about things from behind your keyboard.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
You seriously saying that a UFC medical official would have looked at him and not seen that on his back and cleared him to fight?
I just think it's funny that you're 100% sure everyone knew about it.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah
Not obvious now you point it out in the “Matt Hamil had staph thread”.
Was it obvious before then?
No, of course not.
Get rid of the ramp!
I knew it was an infection soon as it was visible.
The commission is in the fight business, you think they don’t know what a staph infection looks like?
How in the hell was it NOT obvious
That ain’t no pimple gone wrong on his back. Shit, anyone who knows anything about wrestling, BJJ or any combat training would know that’s infectious.
"If you go up there clueless, you're going to come back [to the dugout] clueless. It's that simple." - Nick Markakis
I got warned for being a smartass idiot earlier.
Maybe you should dial it back a bit, man. I’m not saying you are being a smartass idiot, just a fair warning. You could be right but you could also be wrong.
I agree that his camp and trainers knew, but let’s get real here man…if Hamill doesn’t get paid, they don’t get paid…they’re not gonna tell him not to fight if he feels like he can still fight.
There would have been a physical taken some time before hand, and that should have caught it, but to no avail.
And you think the official pat down would have caught it? They don’t normally check above fighter’s asses for…anything. Besides maybe an ill advised tramp stamp.
I agree with what you’re saying, staph is serious business and if I was in a position where I could stop a fighter from going in the ring with it, I’d do it. If he insisted, I’d talk to his opponent, inform him, and if he wanted to go along with it, it’s done. Well, that would be for a main event, because in this case you would have two more fighters coming in afterwards who could get infected.
Ugh. Staph.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d talk to his opponent, inform him, and if he wanted to go along with it, it’s done.
What you are saying there is you would take on none of the responsibility that you are given and put it all on the fighter. Keith do you want to fight? Answer. No? Headline on BE the next day. Keith Jardine cut from the UFC.
Public health and disease prevention have to be a priority. If Keith picks some thing up and passes it on then those people pass it on, none of those other people were asked if they wanted an infection.
by j.villain on Jun 20, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's pretty impressive
that a guy can fight through that much adversity. That’s not even mentioning the fact that he is deaf. What an amazing guy. Not sure how he could fight with a staph infection but I’m sure they will look into it. I don’t know that much about it so is Jardine at risk now or something like that?
I’ll put it this way, if Jardine’s cut got anywhere NEAR something that touched that infection, or even grazed it…yeah, he’s at risk. I’m sure he knows now and is going to scrub the living hell out of himself after he gets stitched up.
"The true science of martial arts means practicing them in such a way that they will be useful at any time, and to teach them in such a way that they will be useful in all things." - Miyamoto Musashi
by Kaleb Kelchner on Jun 20, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think some Athletic commision people could get canned.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like maybe they should get canned.
Another question…how serious is a staph infection? Potentially lethal or just a contagious sort of thing that causes health issues?
Staph infections are pretty common and can range from simple skin eruptions to overwhelming systemic infections/septicaemia. Simple skin infections can require oral antibiotics whereas any joint/bone/blood infection requires intravenous antibiotcs.
It is a bit of an oxymoron to say that
Staph is transmitted from one person to another, because most fighters’ skins are probably colonized by staph anyways. Having said that, the risk of infectious flare-ups do increase upon contact with someone who has an active infection. Hence trying to minimize fighter/wrestler contact.
Chances are Jardine’ll be ok, I would be more worried about Matt. A fight,and all the stress leading up to it, can play havoc with the immune system, which could lead to spread of infection.
Definitely needs to be addressed
A sport with this much bodily fluid involved needs very strict standards for things like this. Anyone know what the rule is for HIV tests? How current does the test have to be prior to stepping in the Octagon?
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
I think that would be a cool article for someone to do on here.
Take us through a step by step basis of what fighters go through getting cleared to fight and all the tests they have to do and everything like that. Would be very interesting.
Agreed
I’d be interested in those details myself.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Add me to the list.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Yeah
All attaboys aside, that’s just not right. How many guys mouth pieces came out and just got rinsed off with water??? Niiiice.
Jardine's mouthpiece twice
Tastes a little … Staphy?
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by thetakeover on Jun 20, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd never really thought
of that shit when I was fighting. Just rinsing out the mouth piece after it falls on the canvas. But that water just doesn’t do the trick that say, any antiseptic or a spare mouth piece would. Then you’ve got people hitting the john right before the fights, and everyone else walking all over the place.yuk. I got to the dojo early one day and my instructor was mopping the mat with a fresh mop and disinfectant. I felt a lot better about that place after that. Didn’t an entire high school wrestling team catch herpes from dirty mats? the UFC octagon should be mopped between battles too.
Huh...
You’re allowed to fight with a staph infection? When I was wrestling back in the day, you wouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the mat with a staph infection, ring worm, or anything that was contagious or infected or whatever. I’m surprised at this.
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
That was my thought too
I saw the weigh in pic yesterday and was thinking “WTF is on his back?”. I mean, it’s pretty out there. If I were Jardine, I would be super pissed off that they let him get in the ring with a staph infection. Any open wounds that Jardine got in the fight, or had going into the fight, have a decent chance of being infected now. That’s just fucked up.
by CaliforniaCreamPuff on Jun 20, 2010 4:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone effed up
Should not have been fighting with an infection.
Kudos to him for winning like he did though.
Get rid of the ramp!
Jardine lost and got staph. Herb Dean got staph. Everyone got staph. Everyone.
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jun 20, 2010 5:50 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
Oldman's character is one of my favorite villains ever.
I'm like PacMan fightin you silly kids... throw ya Hatton the ring, and get knocked outlike Ricky did.
lol.
Ok first off he should have never been able to fight with staph. Secondly, Herb Dean is the best in the buisness and to deduct a point from that eye poke is just outrageous. His last two wins in the UFC have been one big facade in my eyes.
Nope
jardine really shouldnt have been thrusting his open hand/fingers into hamills face
eye pokes and groin shots should be penalized more IMO.
"Live fast, die."
Here is what happened.
He purposefully got the staph infection right in that spot to draw a shitload of attention to that general area, including Anton to post this picture, so we would all see him promoting Hamill the movie. Genius.
by Geno Mrosko on Jun 20, 2010 6:36 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
“Tonight’s staph brought you by Hamill the movie, in theaters July 29th”
"...ride life straight to perfect laughter,
it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jun 20, 2010 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is so hilariously close
to what I was going to say, but please stay out of my mind..
Be like water..
by theredoctober on Jun 20, 2010 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Respect To Matt Hamill
I like Hamill and have ever since he lost a fight he really should have won to Bisping.
Speaking of Bisping,i heard on MMA Live the other week Randy Couture saying that the reason people in America mainly don’t like him is because he rubs people up the wrong way.
I would like to think he would have really wanted to have say “Bisping,people don’t like you because of your idiotic behaviour and arrogant,immature attitude.You are a douche.”
But then Randy is a gentleman.
Bisping went on to say that American’s don’t understand his British “sense of humour”(??).
I’m from England and live in the next county to the guy and believe me,he has no sense of humour.He’s just a classless,low intelligence fool who needs to take a long hard look in the mirror.He’s embarassing to me as a Brit and guys like Ross Pearson and John Hatthaway are rea examples of good Englishmen who know how to show their hosts respect.
Bisping tries telling everyone,“oh,i’m a good guy really” but that’s just like someone robbing your house and then telling you he wants to be your friend.
This is my first time posting on here but i just had to say what i think about Bisping the chav.
I hope Hamill gets a rematch in the future and K’sHTFO.
WOW,
if that was aimed at me you don’t even know what you are commenting on(see above).What’s it to you anyway?Sticking up for your man? :)
Sounds like Bisping cut in front of someone at the bakery...
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
NSAC is such a joke
How could you not see this?
What about the medical check?
Don’t they check his skin?
That’s a f’n embarassment for everyone involved.
They put Hamill in Danger for fighting with that sh**.
They put everyone in Danger who had physical contact with Hamill (Jardine included)
The fact that there were 2 giant Threads on Sherdog and the UG claiming Hamill had staph also didn’t make it any better.
it was at the palms, which was a very intimate venue.
to compare, TUF: Kimbo Finale was only at 1,791 attendees — $503,600 gate.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
they can no doubt have a bigger gate numbers if they switched venues,
but I think they have a contract with them since the last 7 TUF finales were held there.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I have no concept of how many seats there is at that place
But it sure looked like there were a lot of empty seats there. I’m no expert but I doubt they could’ve gotten that much bigger crowd at another place.. I mean, look at the card last night, wasn’t exactly a very good one.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 20, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
No, not at all. That was kind of my point, in response to Anton Tabuena saying they could do bigger numbers at another venue.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 20, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
they could.
especially last season where they had kimbo… but they chose (or had to) remain with that venue.
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Coincidence!
I just watched that movie this morning!
"Daydreams of a 'fair' world which would treat him according to his 'real worth' are the refuge of all those plagued by a lack of self-knowledge." -- Ludwig von Mises.
Props on being tough as hell but
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@deowade
by Damon O. on Jun 20, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Favorite Chappelle show skit.
Imagine that, touching on each others tiddie balls.
Guys. I like you man. I like you too dude. Let’s get married.
'Ello G'vnor!
Hamill needs to think of Jardine
Or actually, the commission does. That is fucking ridiculous. If some small promotion let someone fight like this, we would be all over them, saying how they should be shut down. IMO, this is bullshit,
GO SPURS GO!!!
I agree. Hamill put everyone that was in that octagon and everyone that went in there afterward in danger.
'Ello G'vnor!
Not Hamills fault.
There is no doubt in my mind people knew about this before the fight. Hamill should not have been cleared if it was considered contagious. Lets stop blaming Hamill because it is not his decision to medically clear himself. Fighters will continue to fight with 2 broken hands and not ask the doctor to stop the fight for them. No way in hell Hamill was thinking about pulling out of this fight for a little staph infection.
true.
It’s the people who clear the fighters who should be blamed here..
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Special treatment?
Curious: any chance this was treated different because it was an important headliner for the card? Seems like they’d have cancelled if it was an undercard fight.
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by thetakeover on Jun 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Doctors don't give a full body inspection.
Hands, eyes, blood pressure, heart rate. AFAIK they only look at other stuff if you mention it.
Train hard, fight smarter.
Alves?
Go ask Thiago if it was just his hands, eyes, bp and heart rate checked. You think they did a CAT scan on a whim? 2 MRI’s also. I’m sure Thiago didn’t walk into the doctors office and say “Yo doc don’t forget to check my brain out while ya got me here.”
I think the new jersey athletic commission
has its own policy. I remember reading something about that being the first time he had his brain scanned.
Train hard, fight smarter.
I think you have more of a responsibility
when you are carrying a communicable disease
I guarantee Hamill wasn't training at his usual gym with that alien in his back.
And if he was, that’s messed up.
And if he wasn’t, because doing so would put his training partners at risk, commission my ass. It’s Hamill’s responsibility to pull the plug whether the commission is alert or not.
Koscheck eats it.
So were this many posters giving Big Nog a hard time when he fought Frank Mir with a staph infection?
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
He fought MIr after being in the hospital and being treated for the infection. If I’m not mistaken, he also didn’t have open sores on his body during the fight.
I couldn’t remember if he had it before or during the fight,
Also, I’m not excusing Hamill for fighting with staph. He put others in risk by doing so. I admire his toughness and ability to fight the way hey did with it, but I think it was a dumb decision by him moreso than him being so jerk or a**hole like some are implying.
Isn’t it also possible he had pressure from either his management or the UFC to not drop out of the fight seeing as it would have been short notice? It was quite visible that he had staph and it’s hard to imagine the NSAC would have just missed it.
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me" - Philippians 4:13
Who knows?
I can’t help but wonder that the reason they moved the tournament final up to main event status earlier in the week though was just in case Hamill had to pull out.
Wasn't Roy Nelson vs Brendan Schaub the main event last time?
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t remember off hand if it was or not, but Hamill/Jardine was the main event until Monday or Tuesday I think.
Tuesday morning….http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/6/16/1520700/court-mcgee-vs-kris-mccray-moved
yeah I know that,
but I don’t actually think that’s real news since on most finales, the TUF final is the main event. It just gets changed because a week before is only when they air who gets in the final?
http://www.sherdog.com/events/UFC-The-Ultimate-Fighter-10-Finale-11054
by Anton Tabuena on Jun 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn’t see this directly mentioned above, but with Jardine have at least two open wounds on his face during the fight, does that put him at a particularly higher risk to end up with an active infection himself?
With medical care, he should be fine. If not, shoot him in the head.
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by dancingChicken on Jun 20, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
ever read the book "World War Z"?
surprisingly excellent
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i can’t find it at a B&N anywhere in GA, and I don’t order from amazon after my “People’s History of the United States” came with about 80 pages ripped out
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup.
Reading it at the moment. I’ve read survival guide also. Huge horror film geek. Met Romero about 3 times now in person. Hopefully World War Z translates into a well made movie.
Nope.
Seen the original once at a Romero Film Fest here in Austin, which was awesome btw. I’ll probably check the remake out soon. Was it any good?
I couldn't stop staring at it during the fight.
I thought it was a scar from a back surgery or something.
Much ado
Clearly there is more to this story. The doctors definitely knew of the infection before the fight. I highly doubt they would have allowed Hamill to go out there if it was believed to be contagious.
that's what I'm thinking
commissions aren’t this stupid, they could get sued or worse if they let someone go in with any kind of contagious disease.
"Alas, there is no time-share on my balls." -Luke Thomas
that's what I'm thinking
commissions aren’t this stupid, they could get sued or worse if they let someone go in with any kind of contagious disease.
"Alas, there is no time-share on my balls." -Luke Thomas
i dont think staph is a disease
And this thread is overreaction central. hamill wanted to fight so he could make money, jardine the same, the athletic commission said yes and the ufc needed a coheadliner so they went through with the show. Whats the worst case scenario?-other fighters get that nasty shit and get it taken care of. Is there any reason the keyboard bravehearts are out in full effect?
Even when I'm laying on my back I'm never backing down
by Austin Martin on Jun 20, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
on the up side
it was the last fight of the night. But I can understand some of the backlash in this thread. What would have happened if this had been a prelim? Is the athletic commission going to pony up the money to pay for the medical costs of every fighter that gets staph as a result? probably not.
Not last fight
Court won afterwards.
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by thetakeover on Jun 20, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Staph can be deadly
Ask Cole Escovedo if that stuff is harmless
Staph can range from a boil to a gaping hole in your skin to life threatening disease if it enters your blood stream.
by Dropkick434 on Jun 20, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
yea
maybe they figured unless it opened up, there would be little problem and since it was on his spine it wouldn’t be in much contact; might have also already been dosed with antibiotics too.
idk, weird though
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I could be wrong, but..
..comparing the weigh-in pic to the after-fight pic, it appears worse after the fight.
Is it just me?
Koscheck eats it.
You're right..
It definitely looked a lot nastier last night than it did at the weigh-ins.
by Horselover Fat on Jun 20, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
How can
they award Leben Ko of the night? Doesn’t someone have to get knocked out for that? A guy running to the other side of the cage, slipping, and then getting right back up does not constitute a knock out.
yea, the stop was bad enough; sad for them to give out a KO of the night for it
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
What
really bugs me about the bonus, if they were gonna award it, why not Rich Attonito, who actually got a legit stoppage. Just my 2 cents.
true
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
that stop was not bad in the least
It preserved a little bit of atrains brain. He took some huge shots and couldnt keep his body from running face first into the ground.. It was a fantastic stoppage and leben deserved the ko of the night
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by Austin Martin on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it was bad
you only stop a fight when a fighter is shaken up when he is going to continue to take damage. Leben wasn’t immediately following him up to deliver damage, so he was in no danger.
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
but we all had this argument in the fight thread already
and no, it was not a KO, much less a KO of the night
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was eating lots of punishment.
Matter of opinion. I thought it was a good stoppage.
I just would have rather seen them stop it if Leben followed him up to finish and the guy couldn’t defend himself at that point.
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by JeremyShane on Jun 20, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Matt Wiman was in the front row and yelled to the ref that Simpson was KO’d…
by BJJDenver on Jun 20, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I see what you did there
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it's the only good fight there is."
by dancingChicken on Jun 20, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
excellent
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Fantastic?
I won’t argue that the fight was going to end shortly, but that stoppage was horrible. And no, Leben didn’t deserve Ko of the night. As for Atrain not stopping himself from going face first, did you not see his foot slip? Is this the new benchmark for stoppages?
WAsn’t that the fight where the camera man and all the women behind him got splashed with the blood from Jardine’s face? I know it was Jardine’s blood and not Hamill’s and I don’t know anything about staph but that shit would freak me out…
by SkeezinSteevin on Jun 20, 2010 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that was where they plugged him into the matrix??
Seriously, yes it’s gross, and it pisses me off when people come to train with staph or other skin issues.
However, these guys fight and train with staph all the time. That is why it is such a problem, but there just is no way to get them to take a couple of weeks off of training. I cringe when I walk into train and see MMA guys there. They are the equivalent of a class full of little kids, freakin germ factories! Many fighters travel from school to school and get exposed to a lot of crud, then drag it around with them. Unfortunately, it is just a part of the world they live in. I think most of us would be pretty surprised to find out what has been taken into the ring/cage on these guys.
All I’m saying, is don’t get all over Hammill, when this shit is prevalent.
So, was it Hamill’s right that was broken? because I couldn’t figure out why he wasn’t throwing it and instead was just flicking his left from a strange angle. That would explain a lot. Matt definitely has some power, it seemed he was doing some damage with punches that you wouldn’t think would be damaging.
Sort of on topic, though you may not realize it
He contracted a rare skin disease in Sudan. That’s what ended his life.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Blackout612 on Jun 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
wasn’t he kidnapped by pirates at one point? am i confusing him with someone else?
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
One more thing...
While myself and others have been greatly critical of the broadcast teams in MMA (Ranallo, Gus and Goldy!), I think it is only fair to state that I think Florian was fantastic last night and I look forward to future broadcasts.
I’m not much of a Kenny fan, but his insight into TUF and the intricacies of the sport were very welcome. I thought he did an outstanding job and props to him.
agreed
but I think he needs to work a little on post fight interviews. He needs to show a little more enthusiasm.
yeah, he looked a little uncomfortable in the cage. Although, he did have to deal with a sign translator and a German translator. The TUF winner presentation just felt awkward. I think it will be hard for anyone to match Rogan for fighter interviews.
true
Rogan has been doing it for too long to be uncomfortable, it will come to him in time.
I for one missed Joe Rogan
both at the weigh ins and during the broadcast.
Naked dudes behind towels and groin strikes just aren’t the same without him.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 20, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus
He’s high as a kite.
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by Blackout612 on Jun 20, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
he even did a good job restraining adulation for guys that trained at Sityodong
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 20, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamill vs. Ortiz
Make it happen!!!!
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
Doubt it
They’re friends and Hamill didn’t look very motivated the last time he fought a friend.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
True...
Plus Hamill would end Ortiz, IMO
"The left hand brings death, but the right one even I am afraid of."-Mariusz Pudzianowski
Unacceptable
I knew straight from the weigh-in’s that Hamill had a major staph infection. The fact he was allowed to fight is an entire issue itself! I hope that Keith, Herb and the rest of the crew are ok following this fight. Staph is serious people, and did you know that 1/3 of people who contract an MRSA infection die? Most of them are senior citizens….but still, we don’t have a cure for staph! If I was Keith I would want this fight a NC…….that is unacceptable.
And honestly, anyone that tells me to shut up, or ’it’s no big deal’ is both uneducated on the matter….or just a plain idiot.
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
So what are you getting at?
Blowing a lot of hot air but you’re not saying anything. Hamill fought because no one said otherwise. None of the doctors said he couldn’t. The UFC officials let him. Until more details come out I really can’t go crazy one way or another.
I’m saying more people need to know about MRSA……even of Hamill knew he had it, he may not have know the severity of staph. I wanted the bloodyelbow readers to know it’s everywhere…..yes but once it turns to MRSA it is often life threatening!
I'm from Canada, and they think I'm slow eh!
by Simboy on Jun 20, 2010 6:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m allergic to all forms of penicillin so if I get any of that shit I’m fucked.
by Electro Boy on Jun 20, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that this is a big deal...
but I have a hard time blaming Hamill. This is one of those situations where the doctors and AC need to protect a fighter from themselves.
Think of it this way, if you had an infection that may or may not be a danger to your co-workers and the only other option was to opt out of work for 1/3 to 1/2 of the year would you be tempted to give it a go?
I know I would, I have bills to pay and people depending on me, but probably less people than a guy like Hamill does right now.
One thing I think we often forget when considering the stresses of living and working as a fighter is that your annual income is variable depending on success and comes in only 2 or 3 chunks at a time…which can completely disappear due to injury, etc…I’m sure that makes for some very stressful decision making at times.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Hugely innacurate. MRSA isn’t insurmountable. It varies. While MRSA is tough to treat if you have a weak immune system there are other antibiotics(not related to penicillin btw), that can be used. It sounds like you need to educate yourself regarding MRSA some more.
The Top Three MMA Disgusting Staph infections
No 3:What’s eating Drew McFedries?
No 2: Kevin “Flesh Eating Disease” Randleman
No 1: Where’s the hell is this guy’s achilles?
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