The Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale on Spike TV Predictions
by Luke Thomas on Jun 19, 2010 4:00 PM EDT
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PrintThe Ultimate Fighter 11 Finale
June 19, 2010
The Palms
Las Vegas, Nevada
Maincard:
Court McGee vs. Kris McCray
Luke Thomas: I think this fight is going to be very, very close. If Court can use pushkicks and jabs to control the distance, McCray is in trouble. If Kris is able to put this fight along on the fence and work for takedowns, it's going to be a long night for McGee. I've seen all of Kris' pro fights and commentated three of them. He's historically been a stronger starter than a finisher, but I think the experience on the show taught him how to fight over the long haul. He's got a very tough fight on his hands, but he can do it. McCray by split decision.
Kid Nate: After actually watching this whole season I still can't explain to myself how Court McGee made the finals. Regardless of the outcome, neither man figures to be a factor in the UFC. McCray by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: This isn't the best TUF final bout ever. McCray and McGee are both interesting personalities and seem like good guys. I guess McCray takes this by his constant pressure fighting that he manages to continue with even when he's tired. Kris McCray by decision.
Mike Fagan: Bloody Elbow represent. Kris McCray by decision.
Chris Nelson: If McCray comes in with a solid gameplan and puts the fight on McGee, I don't see this going the distance. Takedown, back mount, McCray via submission, round one.
Nick Thomas: On the show McCray would come out like a house on fire and then gas. But if McCray's conditioning is now solid... it's McCray by decision.
Leland Roling: Honestly, this is a toss-up in my mind. I don't see how either fighter made it to the finals. Both guys have glaring weaknesses, and both need to add some explosiveness and conditioning to their training regiment. I picked McGee in the preview, but... I'll go with Kris McCray via takedowns. Kris McCray via decision.
Jonathan Snowden:I will be shocked if Court McGee wins this. I will also be shocked if Kris McCray doesn't immediately cut to 170 pounds. McCray via decision.
Matt Hamill vs. Keith Jardine
Luke Thomas: I think it's just a matter of time before Matt Hamill puts him down. Even if he doesn't stop him, he'll steal rounds. Jardine has length, but never throws tactically enough to keep opposition at bay. Hamill by TKO.
Kid Nate: One TUF veteran hanging on to his UFC jobs by the skin of his teeth meets another whose tendency to get injured and knack for losing all his big fights has him stalled out. I think Jardine is too much for Hamill. Too hard to take down and keep down and too awkward yet dangerous for Hamill to catch with his very raw power. Should be a lot of leg kicks in this one. Jardine by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Jardine will never go away, so he can't lose this fight. On a serious note I just don't think that Hamill is the kind of fighter that puts together the pieces of a puzzle all that well. When he is able to fight a standard guy he can close distance on and engage in a wrestling match he does well, but Jardine is not going to make it easy and his angles are going to bother Hamill for three rounds. Keith Jardine by decision.
Mike Fagan: I don't think Hamill has the left hook that is Jardine's kryptonite. I expect something similar to Franklin/Hamill without the finish. Keith Jardine by decision.
Chris Nelson: Hamill may score some takedowns early, but Jardine will work to chop the wrestler's base out from under him and eventually take the wheel. Jardine via decision.
Nick Thomas: If at any point Hamill realizes he's not winning the stand-up he's takes this to the ground and grinds out the win. Hamill by decision.
Leland Roling: Since I'm not a huge fan of hearing Keith Jardine tell us constantly that we will see the new-and-improved version of him, I'll take Matt Hamill's wrestling and strength. Matt Hamill via TKO.
Jonathan Snowden: If Hamill is smart, he's been watching how Shane Carwin used a similar tool set to demolish Frank Mir. I think Hamill will end up being too strong for Jardine and send the world's most awkward fighter on to awkward fights for Scott Coker. Hamill by Knockout.
Chris Leben vs. Aaron Simpson
Luke Thomas: Leben looks great against Jay Silva, but Simpson's wrestling is infinitely better. I do think, though, that Leben can bomb on Simpson's chin. Simpson's over aggression gives me pause. I'll pick him here, but I think it's closer than advertized. Simpson by decision.
Kid Nate: Aaron Simpson is a league beyond Chris Leben. Simpson by TKO.
Brent Brookhouse: Chris Leben is a below average gatekeeper and Simpson is good enough to beat that exact kind of fighter. Aaron Simpson by decision.
Mike Fagan: I don't know where Leben's at, but I don't think it matters. Aaron Simpson by decision.
Chris Nelson: Simpson should win a grinder here and hand Leben his third loss in four fights. Simpson via decision.
Nick Thomas: Simpson is a beast. He looked great against Lawlor. Simpson can take Leben down if the stand-up isn't going well. Simpson by decision.
Leland Roling: Leben could be a good test if he shows up mentally, but it's a huge question mark. Aaron Simpson will be ready to throw down, and his wrestling is good enough to control Leben from the top while punishing him. Aaron Simpson via decision.
Jonathan Snowden: Leben by KO.
Spencer Fisher vs. Dennis Siver
Luke Thomas: I love Spencer Fisher, but I do not think he can sprawl and brawl his way out of this fight. He can KO Siver early, but if that doesn't happen he's done. Siver by decision.
Kid Nate: This should be a fun stand up fight. I doubt Siver catches Fisher with any of his spinning kicks so I'll take Spencer Fisher by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Give me Fisher here. Siver has sweet strikes and good KO power but I think Fisher is built more for a long go,go,go kind of striking war. His chin will hold up to the few times it gets tested and he'll land more punches. Spencer Fisher by decision.
Mike Fagan: Siver's impressed me in his last few fights, but I think Fisher can sprawl and brawl his way to victory. Spencer Fisher by decision.
Chris Nelson: Fisher out-works Siver. Fisher via decision.
Nick Thomas: On the feet, Siver takes this and will throw in a couple takedowns for good measure. Siver by decision.
Leland Roling: Siver has more power and deceptive submission ability. I think Siver will eat some solid straights from Fisher, but I like his power over Fisher's decision style of fighting. Dennis Siver by TKO.
Jonathan Snowden: This is the early favorite for fight of the night. I think Fisher will start fast and never slow down. Fisher by way of the decision.
Jamie Yager vs. Rich Attonito
Luke Thomas: I do think Attonito has the ability to take Yager down and if he does, he's got enough to at least do damage if not stop Yager altogether. There will be some distance closing issues, but not enough to stop the ATT product. Attonito by submission.
Kid Nate: *Changing this pic. Yager has already shown he's got a very limited amount of heart. Attonito has enough grit to make Yager fold. Attonito by submission.
Brent Brookhouse: It's been a constant chorus from "in the know" types over the past few months that on the ground Yager is just outclassed by almost everyone he fights. He's got really fun striking but until he rounds it out I can't take him over a guy like Attonito who trains with guys who can do it all. Rich Attonito by submission, round 2.
Mike Fagan: Looks like a showcase for Yager Bomb. Jamie Yager by TKO, round 1.
Chris Nelson: ATT? Oh, neato. (Sorry.) I see Attonito catching a few of Yager's flashy strikes, dragging him down and not relenting for 15 minutes. Attonito via decision.
Nick Thomas: Attonito will take Yager down and Yager out in the later rounds. Attonito by decision.
Leland Roling: It's a toss-up really. But I think Attonito can takedown Yager as he throws wild kicks and punches, and keep him there. Rich Attonito via decision.
Jonathan Snowden: When in doubt, go with camp pedigree. Attonito by decision.
Undercard:
John Gunderson vs. Mark Holst
Luke Thomas: Taylor I would've called over Gunderson. Holst, not so much. Gunderson by decision.
Kid Nate: Haven't been impressed with Gunderson but still not going to pick a late replacement to beat him. Gunderson by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: Hoist has some real defensive liabilities and it's going to be a pretty easy fight for Gunderson. John Gunderson by TKO, round 2.
Mike Fagan: Hoist is a replacement for Paul Taylor and making his UFC debut. Hell, Mark Hoist by decision.
Chris Nelson: Holst via decision.
Nick Thomas: I have to pick my fellow Canadian here. Holst by decision.
Leland Roling: Gunderson has the same style against everyone, late replacement doesn't really affect his tired gameplan. Holst hasn't impressed me with his past performances. Wide open defense and Corey Hill about crushed him from top control. I'll take John Gunderson via decision.
Jonathan Snowden: I think being a late replacement will work out nicely for Hoist. He and Taylor are very different fighters and Gunderson may not be able to adjust. Hoist by decision.
Brad Tavares vs. Seth Baczynski
Luke Thomas: Tavares should smash him. Tavares by TKO.
Kid Nate: Tavares by vengeful beat down.
Brent Brookhouse: Brad Tavares will make a really solid addition to a Bellator tournament some day. Seth Baczynski will make a really solid addition to a Bellator untellevised undercard some day. Brad Tavares by TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Tavares gets revenge for the PRIDE mugging. Brad Tavares by submission, round 2.
Chris Nelson: Tavares was one of the standouts of the season to me. Don't think he's long for the UFC, but he should win this handily. Tavares via decision.
Nick Thomas: Tavares by decision.
Leland Roling: I had picked Baczynski, but I'm switching my stance after seeing most of Tavares' performances. I think he'll put it on the veteran here. Brad Tavares via TKO.
Jonathan Snowden:Tavares takes this in a battle of guys on their way to regional shows.
Kyle Noke vs. Josh Bryant
Luke Thomas: Noke's biggest problem? His wrestling. I think Bryant takes advantage. Bryant by decision.
Kid Nate: Noke by KO.
Brent Brookhouse: Noke is a really good fighter and anyone sleeping on him because of his work on TUF is going to be in for a nice surprise. Kyle Noke by TKO, round 1.
Mike Fagan: Noke was a favorite to win the show for a reason. Kyle noke by TKO, round 1.
Chris Nelson: I think this turns into a competitive fight, but in the end it's Noke via decision.
Nick Thomas: Noke looked horrible in his last fight, but he's still a favorite here. If Noke keeps this on his feet, he wins this. Noke by decision.
Leland Roling: Noke gets Bryant down and gains position to start blasting. Noke via TKO.
Jonathan Snowden: Noke is probably the best fighter coming out of this season. His fight for the taking. Noke via KO.
James Hammortree vs. Chris Camozzi
Luke Thomas: Camazzi can survive long enough to use his superior stand-up late in the fight. Camozzi by TKO.
Kid Nate: Camozzi by decision.
Brent Brookhouse: I just can't bring myself to deeply care about this fight. I guess Chris Camozzi by decision.
Mike Fagan: Hammortree blows. Chris Camozzi by decision.
Chris Nelson: Camozzi via decision.
Nick Thomas: Camozzi is back. Camozzi looked great on the show before he got injured. Going with Camozzi by decision.
Leland Roling: Camozzi via decision.
Jonathan Snowden: I like the guy who spends more time on Twitter. @chriscamozzi by decision.
James McSweeney vs. Travis Browne
Luke Thomas: I like McSweeney to grind him out, actually. McSweeney by decision.
Kid Nate: McSweeney by KO.
Brent Brookhouse: I assume McSweeney is being put waaaay down at the bottom of the card because the UFC has about as much faith in him as I do. Travis Browne by TKO, round 3.
Mike Fagan: Kind of surprised to see McSweeney buried in the prelims. James McSweeney by TKO, round 2.
Chris Nelson: I'd say this is a big step up in competition for Browne, but I've never really been sold on McSweeney, so it comes down to how Browne performs under the bright lights. The Nor-Calian has solid power and effective, if not pretty, takedowns. Browne via TKO, round one.
Nick Thomas: Browne will be the bigger fighter. I want to pick McSweeney based on UFC experience, but I think Browne will win this one. Browne by decision.
Leland Roling: Travis Browne. Ahh, the memories. I watched his knockout of Abe Wagner via a very terrible Internet stream, but boy was it glorious! Travis Browne via KO.
Jonathan Snowden: Browne knocked out football player Michael Westbrook in a KOTC showdown. That is enough to earn him my pick. Browne by Knockout.
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I think I am on a kamikaze mission with my Hamill/Browne/Siver parlay.
As far as the fights go there is nothing with major implications, really. I am just happy for a night of free fights where the only obnoxious know it all in the room is me!
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
You just made some nice moolah there son.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
I'm surprised at all the Jardine picks.
You don’t need overly polished striking to take him down – just a nice, strong punch. Hamill is basically like Bader, who was winning the fight before the KO. No reason to expect this fight to go down any differently, is there?
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 19, 2010 4:14 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed about the Jardine picks...
Can’t see any realistic way Jardine has of winning this one…
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 19, 2010 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Three rounds of...
Uncle Fester-Foo could lead to a SD for Jardine.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
yall underestimate jardine horribly, he has a way of surving, and his takedown defense/ability to get back to his feet is excellent. he just got caught by bader, i don’t see the same thing happening here again tonight. nothing about hamill has impressed me, he’s a guy i can see jardine beating via dec.
1) The headkick KO on Munoz wasn’t impressive?
2) Jardine didn’t survive against Alexander, Wandy, T. Silva, or Bader. Rampage also dropped him.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 19, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
hamill is not the puncher that any of those guys are, bader caught him with a crazy knee, i don’t see the same thing happening here. headkick on munoz was semi impressive i guess, but i’m not sold on this guy yet.
The knee landed on Jardine’s left pec. It probably just knocked the wind out of him. Hamill also doesn’t need pinpoint striking, just a powerful meathook to land on Jardine’s face. He’s had four stone-cold KOs, and each one makes it easier for it to happen again.
If you're not watching Treme, you're a bad person.
Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better. -Samuel Beckett
by Scott C. Broussard on Jun 19, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Tactially, however...
most KOs come from guys capable of blitzing Jardine, which isn’t something Hamill has shown the ability to do.
Frankly, like so many of Jardine’s fights this one is likely to be long and ugly with people wondering why Hamill looked so bad in this, even if he wins. That’s just what Jardine does…and win often enough to not get kicked out of the UFC but also lose often enough to not ever truely be a contender.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
I've just never seen anything out of him that leads me to believe he could complete with Hamill
Surviving against one-dimensional guys like Liddell or Rampage is a whole different animal than surviving against a top (if not elite) functional wrestler like Hamill or even Bader…
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 19, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
very surprised everyone picks McCray given the weak cardio he showed in his only 3 rounder. I think Court will be much better on the feet and McCray will eventually gas.
He actually had three 3 round fights. Two against Bryant and another against Noke.
His first against Bryant was awful, he looked gassed in the opening five seconds. I think Tito really did push him way too hard. He just looked broken down.
He didn’t look too bad against Noke and against Bryant in the rematch. Cardio didn’t look great either, but not too bad.
I favor McGee to win.
It’s so hard to pick these fights because we know so little about so many of the fighters.
Hard to be confident when the fighters may have changed drastically since the show or may not have fought their best for whatever reason.
McGee-McCray: Very conflicted, not confident. Personally I favor McGee to win slightly, but McCray was at +245 on mmaplayground and he got the underdog bonus so I went with him.
McCray by decision
Hamill-Jardine: Hamill by superior chin, power and wrestling. Hamill by TKO
Leben-Simpson: If Simpson enters the fight in wrestling mode there is nothing Leben can do to stop it. His wrestling/grappling isn’t terrible, it’s just not quite good enough.
Simpson by decision
Siver-Fisher: Siver because of more power in a slugfest. Siver by KO
Yager-Attonito: While I’m not high on Yager’s career prospects, he’s got enough talent to win this one. Yager by superior athleticism. Yager by KO
Gunderson-Holst: I want Holst to win, I like him. But he won’t, just too many weaknesses and not enough training to work on them.
Gunderson by top control decision
Tavares-Baczynski: I was tempted to take Seth because of his underdog bonus on mmaplayground, but I think Tavares will win by superior athleticism and more dominant skills. Tavares by KO
Noke-Bryant: Tough call. Josh Bryant reminds me of Josh Haynes, tough kid but not much skill or athleticism. I’m hoping Noke has worked on his takedown defense, if so the rest of his skills should be more than enough to get the win. Noke by decision
Hammortree-Camozzi: Hammortree by size, strength, cardio and wrestling.
(I just like Hammortree and Camozzi has lost to Jesse Forbes and Jessie Taylor)
Hammortree by decision
Browne-McSweeney: Browne by size and sucking less. As long as he doesn’t gas as bad as Wes Shivers he’ll win. Browne by KO
Kid Nate: How in the hell is Matt Hamill hanging on to his job by the skin of his teeth? Dude his 7-2 in the UFC, with two fights that should have gone the other way cancelling out. (Bisping and Jones.) He’s only been finished by Franklin and would have by Jones, no shame in either.
Is he top 10? No. Will he be? No. But his job is safe for quite awhile.
For sure
I thought that was a strange comment.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I figured it was something like that.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus man
You have commited two of the worst screw ups in the history of the internet in one day!!!!
Atrocities!
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 19, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Surprised by all the McCray picks honestly.
McGee
I think he can control the distance with his jab, and keep McCray away from him. But both guys have ways to win. Toss up in my mind.
Hamill
Left-Hook KO lol
Simpson
I think it’s a gimme fight for Simpson.
Fisher
I don’t see Fisher running into a spinning kick, and I think he can earn a nice decision here.
Bryant
I agree with Luke on this one. Noke is a great fighter, but I think he gets grinded out here.
Tavares
Tavares wins this easily, but sadly he isn’t long for the UFC. Soon to be fighting Hector Lombard for the Bellator MW belt.
Gunderson
Gunderson lucked out IMO. Taylor would have beat him.
Camozzi
I was dissapointed when Camozzi had to pull out of TUF. Camozzi beats Hammortree despite the fact that “The Sledge” Hammortree is an awsome nickname.
Browne
I have no faith in McSweeney.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
fml
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Surprised by the McCray picks?
What does Court do better than McCray outside of his weak boxing?
Court will only win this fight if he can out-wrestle McCray. I really don’t see that happening.
His striking is significantly better. We don’t know much about Court’s grappling but we know McCray’s is nothing special.
Court hung in there with Nick Ring
who has great striking.
McCray can win the fight don’t get me wrong but i just see it much more probable that McCray will get out worked here.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
guy has talent
hyped or not. It’s a shame his knees are fucked up beyond belief.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Court doesn't have much power
but he throws straight, efficient punches and he has a solid jab. His striking looked pretty good against Nick Ring and Brad Tavares.
If you think they both have bad striking then they both have bad wrestling, Kris’ is just not as bad.
You think Kris could wrestle with guys like Sonnen, Okami, or Munoz? I don’t think he could even wrestle with Ed Herman.
Before you mention his size he couldn’t wrestle with guys like Fitch, Koscheck, Hughes or even guys like Mike Pierce and Frank Trigg.
idk about Trigg lol
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Trigg
would fucking destroy Kris, striking or wrestling. I hate to be so negative about these guys but Jonathan started it.
McGee- I see a repeat of his fight with Tavares here/ Decision
Hamill- He’s too good and too hungry, he simply has more and better tools/ TKO
Simpson- Leben could suprise me here but I really think he won’t/ Decision
Siver- He’ll blitz and shoot all night long/ Decision
Antonito- Just have no faith in Yager, he displayed some decent sprawl and brawl but wilts under pressure/ TKO
"Alas, there is no time-share on my balls." -Luke Thomas
Hamill is not at risk of being cut. Tavares is not well on his way to regional fights. A lot of these kids vastly improve after leaving the show and learning the right ways to train and advance their careers. Tavares has tons of upside, heavy hands a lot of heart. The finale may not be the best two guys on the program, but this season could very well produce 4-5 guys that stick around for a good while.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
Or it could do what pretty much everyone expects; produce a couple of tough gatekeepers who then fade away.
by Tim the Enchanter on Jun 19, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
For the most part that's how it will be.
I see the main guy sticking being Tavares. He’s REALLY raw right now, but he has natural KO power and pretty good smarts in the octagon.
The best thing for him would be to get cut and then go and develop in a smaller promotion. He’ll be back, though.
Ya Tavares has amazing potential.
hes still young though.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
I agree to a point
MW being sort of a scattered division, there’s a lot potential to find a niche and stick like glue.
That said, there aren’t really any high ceiling guys coming out of this season, at least not from what I’ve seen. Maybe a full and proper camp for some of these guys will change my mind.
by Worldisart on Jun 19, 2010 5:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think Hamill will end up being too strong for Jardine and send the world’s most awkward fighter on to awkward fights for Scott Coker.
I’ll go out on a limb and say they’re probably not going to be interested in a fighter with a quote in the 50+50 range whose best talent is getting knocked out in comical fashion.
His price will go down and he’s a safe and well known “opponent.”
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 19, 2010 5:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Shhh
It’s hilarious reading this guy defend Strikeforce’s honor. It’s like War Machine believing he’s a humanitarian, all sixes and sevens.
by Bob Boblaw on Jun 19, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Right, I’m trying to “defend Strikeforce’s honor”. It isn’t like Jardine is a heavily overpriced punching bag or anything. Who are you and why are you trolling me from post to post?
"Who are you and why are you trolling me from post to post?"
Dana has the same question for you. Seriously though you have to admit you are always biased towards anything Zuffa related especially the big DW.
that’s one of the reasons i wanna see jardine win, that dude entertains me for some reason. i’d hate to see him go. guess he could rack up a few wins in japan. maybe he can still get in on that lhw tournament dream is doing.
They'd love him in Japan...
and we might just get to see him do a full fledge Techno Viking entrance the way they do things over there.
Suddenly I’m all for Hamill in this fight.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Yep
he hurt him bad early but Simpson stormed back for a controversial split decision. I remember thinking Lawlor deserved the win.
That being said, Lawlor is a better wrestler than Leben and Simpson came out trading with Lawlor.
If Simpson comes out in wrestling mode he should win easily. If wants to go chin for chin, punch for punch with Leben he’s going to lose badly.
Leben has the advantage of starting the first round on his feet I hate typing/saying that but it’s true.
I hate that phrase, too.
“The fight starts on the feet”. Really? No shit. Doesn’t mean it’s gonna stay there long.
(that wasn’t directed at you)
I just think if Simpson comes in the right frame of mind he’s gonna take Leben down and there isn’t much Leben can do about it. He fights the takedowns hard but he just doesn’t have the talent to stop Simpson’s wrestling, nor the grappling to win from his back.
Well heres to hoping they “don’t leave it in the hands of the judges” another phrase I hate. Honestly I’m biased towards Leben we have a similar background and grew up in the same area but I think you are more than likely right Simpson will probably take it but I’m rooting for Leben anyway. Who doesn’t like a guy that walks out to God Save the Queen in England?
I like the guy too
He always puts on a good show. He’s got a ridiculous chin and big power. There are a lot of entertaining fights out there for him, even against guys who just outclass him.
Think of Leben against:
Vitor, Alan Belcher, Robbie Lawler, Wand, Manhoef, Scott Smith, and Cyborg.
Most of those guys would probably destroy him but it would be fun while it lasted.
Never know, Chris might land a big left and knock out a guy like Wand, Manhoef or Lawler.
He’s a little like Melvin for me, though without as much upside. I keep hoping that he starts doing the right things and getting into a good mindset so that he can hang with some of the aforementioned. He could be a 50/50 guy drawing similarly minded fighters into slugfests, ala Chris Lytle, and making a long(er) career in the UFC out of it. I believe that what’s held him back his whole career is his fragile mentality.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Bleh
I’ve tried so hard to get excited about this card but it just isn’t doing it for me. Siver/Fisher should be a fun fight but past that there really isn’t too much in the way of compelling fights. Then again, it’s when I’m most disinterested that Joe Silva reminds us all that he’s the best matchmaker in the business.
by Worldisart on Jun 19, 2010 5:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's a TUF finale
This is a badass card compared to the way these things once were. It’s free MMA.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that
I’m not trying to sound like a Debbie Downer. Like I said I’m trying to get excited about it, and I will watch it being the junkie that I’ve become. I’m not the type to complain about these so it’s pretty rare for me to say.
I hear ya
It’s not a super exciting card. But it is MMA and it is free. I’m just gonna sit back and relax and watch the fights and hope all the guys give a good effort.
I just think the easiest way to look at it is on a fight by fight basis, ask yourself— does this have what it takes to be a good fight? It’s like Wednesday’s Strikeforce, which was a weak card by traditional standards, but you knew it was gonna be fun. Leben vs Simpson? Fisher vs Siver? Yeah… This is gonna be a fun card.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Some day— but Simpson ain’t gettin any younger.
PS; a small part of me is rooting for Leben. I know everyone hates him, but I love to watch the guy fight.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
even though his skill set is limited, I do like to watch him fight.
nothing like a Leben Haymaker thats for sure
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
I think Blackout pretty much summed it up
FREE MMA
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
I don't like that line of argument
Free MMA is fantastic. As someone with a mortgage, car payments, students loans and all the other bills that are a part of life I like saving money, that said just because it’s a free card doesn’t mean I should be buzzing with excitement for it. I’m going to watch it, sure but I don’t feel that I’m in the wrong for saying that I’m largely indifferent.
Like I said at the end of my comment, it’s these types of events that often turn out to be my favorite so I’m not passing judgment until all is said and done.
ya no doubt
it’s not like im counting down the minutes until it begins. But I think i’ll be more than indifferent when the card starts.
didn’t mean to come off as if I was harassing you. Just used to many people having the Idea that if a card isn’t filled with big named guys then it’s terrible.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
That's not really the point I was trying to make
The point is that free cards come with different expectations, and for a free card, this one has the makings of a fun night of fights. It’s Saturday night— if you think this can’t hold up to whatever fun shit you might have in store, then DVR it, or worse, come read the results at BE when it’s all over. I think this card is good enough that I’m making sure that where I go tonight will for certain have it running on a TV.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Snowden, you think McCray is the one who will surely cut to 170? I think you have it backwards, McGee is the one who is smaller and is a much more natural welterweight. McGee is 5’10" or 5’11" and McCray is 6’1". That being said, I wouldn’t be all that surprised if everyone on the show was a better fit at welterweight.
Yeah
Seems like this season had absolutely no guys that need to cut down, but that was probably by design (they must be sick of guys missing weight— and with multiple fights, that could get ugly).
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions
ya they should both be at WW
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
I got
McGee via decision – I just think he’s better. I think he takes rounds 2 + 3. Split decision maybe.
Hamill by TKO – I just don’t see Jardine getting at Hamill in any meaningful way unless he sticks to leg kicks.
Simpson by decision – I don’t think Leban will be any better than what we’ve already seen of him. He’s probably at the peak of his skillset.
Fisher by decision – Silver is going to need more than a flashy kick or two to put down Fisher.
Attonito by decision – man, lots of decisions I’m predicting, but I just don’t see many finishes on the main card.
Would anybody care if these guys werent on spike tv?
Meh.
the Simpson fight will be fun. I wish BE put this much time into the WEC, Bellator, or Sengoku cards, which I have a lot more interest in.
This fuckin guy.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 19, 2010 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 7 recs
i lol'd
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Haha
This needs to be a JPEG that can be used at any time. I’ll get on that.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
edge goes to strikeforce los angeles in the battle of this week's cards
Fav 6 Fighters:Spider Silva,Mayhem,Jon Jones,Aoki,KJ Noons/King Mo
Team Pioli/Haley. Decade of the Chiefs.
I’m not sure anyone was comparing this to Strikeforce: LA, but this week’s cards have been of comparable quality.
"I have trained to fight an army. There is no way one man can stop me if many cannot." -Georges St. Pierre
by Charles Awad on Jun 19, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
honestly
this is an awsome week for MMA.
WEC is tmmrw, and that I am excited for.
"Your not gonna jab and shoulder roll your way away from Brock Lesnar; He is gonna fuck you." - Joe 'High as Fuck' Rogan
Especially because its the only card that has actually happened yet...
your statement will probably not stand for more than another hour or three.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Quick Picks
McGee
Hamill
Simpson
Fisher
Yager
Gunderson
Tavares
Noke
Camozzi
McSweeney
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
Haven't seen Holst fight, so I'll sit that one out
McGee
Hamill
Simpson
Fisher
Yager
Tavares
Noke
McSweeney
Who called out Yager to fight in the backyard?
Would be great to see Hamill win and Yager get KO’d!
That sucks!! They should of put them to fight.
Seemed to me that Yager was scared and wanted no part of that!!! Does anyone recall the guys name.
noone cares about the last 6
maybe McSweeny a little to see how being with world class training partners helped out
HellaHectic, KOS, and Rashad gang-banged my mom.
by SouthCaliStunNa on Jun 19, 2010 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
is the staff all picking mccray just because he’s been the guest blogger for TUF 11 on BE? or because he’s the hometown boy?
Ok so this might be a stupid question.
But as far as sports knowledge MMA isnt in the top 3 for me. But are Court and Mcray good enough to even be a factor in the UFC? To me they dont seem like it Correct me if im wrong.
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E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
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i didn’t see anyone on the show that looked like they have a chance of anything but a “one and done” type deal in UFC. as long as they are all fighting each other imo, they will be ok, but put them against any of the seasoned UFC guys, and there will be some cuts happening. who knows though, i guess i could’ve said that about many people that have been on TUF before, people get into better camps as a result of the exposure on TUF, and improve as a result of it.
That isn't much different than any TUF class when they "graduate"...
doesn’t mean they can’t mature into respectable fighters though.
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
lol ouch.
Not that I condone facism or any ism for that matter. Isms are in my opinion, not good. A person shouldn't believe in an ism, he should believe in himself.
I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me". Good point there, after all he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. Wouldn't change the fact I have to bum rides off of people.
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