The Mess That Is Strikeforce -- They Have Time to Campaign for Medical Marijuana but Can't Complete Basic Paperwork
by Kid Nate on Jun 18, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
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Here's this from Cage Side Seats:
From Dave Meltzer in today's F4WOnline.com update:
Frank Shamrock, Mauro Ranallo, Gilbert Melendez and Jake Shields will appear on 6/26 at the Grand Opening of the MedMar Healing Center in San Jose, which is a community based Cannabis and alternative health care facility in the city. Shamrock said he supports cannibas to relieve pain after seeing his stepfather pass away slowly from lung cancer and be in so much pain, and feeling helpless to do anything.
While we've all heard athletes and other celebrities speak out in favor of both medical marijuana and general legalization of the drug, I don't think I've ever seen any of them do anything quite like this. While medical marijuana is a separate issue from straight-up legalization and abuse, it still seems strange to see Strike Force's announcers and two of its champions making this appearance. This is especially so given how many MMA fighters have failed drug tests in California, to the point where it's been a running joke at times.
It's far from the most politically sound thing for Strikeforce to be associated with, as in spite of what California says, marijuana is still illegal under federal law. I doubt that Dana White has a problem with Joe Rogan being vocally in favor of the legalization of the drug, but do you think he'd allow him, Mike Goldberg, Shogun, and Frankie Edgar to make an appearance at a place that sold the stuff? I don't think so, and regardless of one's political views on the matter, I don't think it's wise for Scott Coker to let this happen.
So that's what 2/3 of Strikeforce's announcing team and 1/2 of their champions are busy doing. That wouldn't be so bad, but check this alarming news from Dave Meltzer's Wrestling Observer radio show (by way of Fight Opinion):
DAVE MELTZER: "I guess (Nick) Diaz is suspended."
BRYAN ALVAREZ: "I did not hear that."
DAVE MELTZER: "Yes, 90 days from, here's the deal... Diaz is suspended 90 days from the time that he returns a form to Tennessee which will then count the suspension from that point."
BRYAN ALVAREZ: "So he better get on that."
DAVE MELTZER: "And they're like scared that he's going to like never return the form so he'll be like suspended forever."
BRYAN ALVAREZ: "That's possible, actually. Very possible."
DAVE MELTZER: "So they're trying to make sure that he fills out that form and gets the clock ticking on that suspension so he can, because I was asking like when he's going to defend the title and it's like, you know, he's got 90 days suspension right now, you know that he's got to go through before he can fight anyone."
Nick Diaz is more than just the Strikeforce welterweight champion. He's easily their most skilled and marketable fighter not named Fedor. But Diaz is more than just a lightening rod for fan eyeballs, he also attracts an unusual amount of attention from the state officials who regulate the sport.
He's had to miss fights before because of his refusal to take drug tests in California. Will he impose an indefinite suspension on himself by failing to complete the paperwork and submit it to the Tennessee authorities?
Time will tell, but there's nothing about the Showtime/Strikeforce operation that gives me any confidence they can bring their welterweight champion to heel so he can fight again in a timely manner.
Then there's the matter of moving their August Showtime event from Houston to another city, via Fight Opinion:
Also up in the air is whether or not the August show will stay in Houston. The proposed building for the Houston show is the big-sized Toyota Center. If Strikeforce has to move that show to another city or another building, how are they going to gain traction in such a short time frame? Think about it this way - when UFC announced that ticket sales in Salt Lake City were in the crapper, they promptly booked a date in San Diego at the SD Sports Arena. Josh Gross can call the building a dump, but the building did host a WEC show with Urijah Faber and it did fairly well business-wise for Zuffa. Who do you have more confidence in as far as moving a show to a new city and new building and getting the job done - UFC or Showtime/Strikeforce? Obviously, UFC.
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Strikeforce's favorite movie?
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Man, Team Caesar Gracie will ALWAYS have a place in Strikeforce.
Don't believe a word I say, I don't train BJJ.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
And yet
all of them are making goo-goo eyes at Dana White
by MattParker117 on Jun 18, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Coker has described the 3 month suspension as a plea bargain. So if we’re talking legal terms, they said it would be a 9 month suspension and a bigger fine if they didn’t accept the plea and lost at the “trial.” I’m not sure if they need to actually do anything to start that process, but I’m not sure that there is any threat of an indefinite suspension.
the 90 days starts counting
when he turns in his paperwork. Do you trust Nick Diaz to turn in his paperwork?
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Of course not. He's WAY too stoned.
Oh.
Wait.
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If you like it, you should put a rec on it.
they did well to bargain that down to 3 months
but it could easily become 9 months if Diaz doesn’t take care of business. He’s happy to keep fighting in Japan.
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9 months isn’t indefinite, and I don’t read anywhere that they did anything to bargain it, Tennessee just offered that to entice them to not get into an appeals process.
I think it’s a fuck up that these forms aren’t in if that’s the approach people want to take, but it’s not indefinite.
I think Coker is fucking up by not going to stockton and making nick diaz sign the form (just like he should have flown down there with a cup for him to pee in previously), but I don’t think 9 months is the end of the world.
I think the fact that they are sending them paperwork was them dealing for and accepting the 3 months. Pretty sure filing the paperwork is just a technicality not the actual agreement. They agreed to a 3 month suspension that starts when the paperwork is filed not that the paperwork is them agreeing to this deal.
What can Strikeforce do exactly? Their only power over him is through financial leverage and the guy obviously doesn’t care about fighting in the U.S. if hes not turning in the paper work himself. I fail to see how this is a Strikeforce issue and not a Nick Diaz not getting his shit together issue.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
Is it 90 days until he can fight again or 90 days until they can book him a fight?
Because it’s not such a big deal if it’s the former. They can book him a fight for day 91, he can spend the interim training and stuff
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 18, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So, Dave Meltzer is a cast member on The Hills?
“Like… Nick Diaz is totally hot… like but he won’t do paperwork.”
I don’t know… his face just doesn’t fit how he talks.
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Zach’s transcriptions of that show are god awful. Why would you transcribe every little verbal tic while Meltzer completely butchers the english language?
It’s funny how every time a Dave Meltzer quote is posted, someone, at some point feels the need to mock his speaking or accent. Everytime.
Which completely ignores the fact that he breaks more news about MMA then just about anyone in the business and does it while he covers an entirely different sport at the same time.
Not hating on anyone, but damn, let’s find a new joke here. He predominantly follows sports where sweaty men roll around with each other. There has to be something that be mocked somewhere beyond his language abilities.
good for them
Scott coker said he was gonna be on diaz starting yesterday and I think everything is gonna be fine. He mentioned diaz fighting mayhem in 8 months to a year which is as good a fight as there is today. Possibly on the fedor/overeem ppv to help sell the fight. I have good faith in coker and strikeforce. And good for them for standing up for the legalization of marijuana. I’m prescribed for injuries and its better than any other med. If a fighter wants to use at his discretion it should be totally cool. Marijuana never hurt anybody. Alcohol is the killer.
by PipRocks on Jun 18, 2010 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
cant wait for mayhem or noons against diaz...and marijuana is fantastic, alcohol is indeed the killer.
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This actually makes me like Strikeforce more
but I don’t understand why Coker doesn’t get Diaz to sign the damn form and return it to TN himself ASAP
"If I wanted to spend a half hour between two hairy legs I'd go to your mother's house." -Don Frye
Stupid article
Coker already said that they better hurry with the paper work in the Loretta Hunt interview from wednesday
Does rolling a joint count as completing basic paper work?
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It does in Oregon
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Rogan already has made an appearance @ a MMJ Dispensery
The Last White Hope: America’s War on Drugs shows Rogan in a pot shop, in fact it is stated he secured the film’s director access to the shop.
So Dana will let his employees make weed appearances, he just did it years ago.
SNITCH! lol
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jun 18, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you guys quote meltzer from the fake world of theater wrestling,this guys anti-non zuffa mma
shit been handled already
LOL
Melzer is so anti-Zuffa that he started covering the sport 15 years before Zuffa got involved, just so he could ready to besmirch their competition.
That’s dedication.
by Steve4192 on Jun 18, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
The medical marijuana issue doesn’t bother me much as long as it isn’t confused with marijuana becoming legal in the sport. Being able to get something with a prescription is irrelevant to the banned substance list(you can get steroids with a prescription). As long as these guys don’t start trying to promote allowing fighters to fight stoned and make sure this stays about medical use only then there shouldn’t be much backlash from the general public.
Nick Diaz and his paperwork is just one of those silly issues you have to deal with when you have Nick Diaz signed to your company. If Nick was in the UFC then Dana would have to deal with it too. The difference here is that you know Dana would be on top of it and we just don’t know if Scott Coker will. Issues like the Houston center or the fact that they puplically announced that Babalu would get a title shot against King Mo without actually talking to Babalu or King Mo to see if they would accept that are the scary things about Strikeforce. Behind the scenes they are just a real mess and it makes me worry about how they will deal with these things as they continue to grow(these kinds of things could stop their growth).
To be fair...
or the fact that they puplically announced that Babalu would get a title shot against King Mo without actually talking to Babalu or King Mo to see if they would accept that are the scary things about Strikeforce.
Dana has promised that he’d make team mates fight before as well. Remember how he promised us that he would make the Silva-Lyoto fight? It’s a problem of MMA promotion, not just one organization.
It’s a fuckup by Strikeforce, but I think it’s because they were trying to force the issue rather than being ignorant of the push back. The main difference between them and the UFC was they were being passive aggressive about it instead of being straight out confrontational.
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When Dana makes that promise it's theoretical
Dana is always talking about how eventually, under the right circumstances, teammates would face each other.
Dana has never announced that the winner of a fight gets a title shot and then had the winner refuse to take it after the fight was over in the post fight interview. Someone should of asked Babalu before the fight if he would even take a LH title fight before they made it a match stipulation and had the announcers push it throughout the fight. It’s not at all the same issue about discussing making team mates fight, this is about announcing publically that a fight was a contenders match(a odd one at that but that is a different issue) and then have the winner say that they weren’t interested in being a contender. This would be like Dana officially announcing Fitch vs Koscheck and then having them say no at the pre-fight press conference.
That's kinda exactly what I was saying.
Strikeforce basically made an awkward situation by being passive aggressive and putting Babalu on the spot right after a fight. Dana White says “I don’t care if these guys are friends, you fight who I fucking tell you to fight.”
Each promoter took a different avenue to make team mate / friend fights and each failed to deliver. I see much more problematic things in each organization, this isn’t too concerning for either of them.
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Strikeforce announced that the winner of that fight would get a title shot and talked about it during the show, when have you ever seen the UFC say that the winner will get a title shot and advertise that stipulation during a event without making sure that both fighters agree to that stipulation before the fight? This has nothing at all to do with a theoretical discussion of partners fighting each other in the future this has to do with Strikeforce coming out and saying during the show that if Babalu won the fight he would be fighting King Mo this fall for the belt and then having both guys basically tell them that wasn’t going to happen live on the air.
I couldn’t care less about the friends fighting friends issue here, my problem is that Strikeforce announced publically that this was a number one contender’s fight and the winner would get a title shot (which was a damn odd announcement to make to start with). How much effort would it of taken to of asked Babalu and Lawler if they were ok with this before they made this announcement? They knew ahead of times that Mo and Babalu were training partners, they knew it could be an issue. Were they just assuming that Robbie Lawler would win? How unprofessional does it make them look when they announce a title match up and then have the fighter say no like that?
i highly doubt any fighter looking to have a pro career in mma would NOT choose to fight stoned. i just wanted to comment on that cause i thought it was way far-fetched from reality.
and so what if coker wanted to hype up the fight by giving it title implications. it’s the smallest of deals. babalu said he’d like to fight hendo. we’ll see what happens with the mw tourney and either we’re gonna get to see some great fights.
Tell that to Nick Diaz :D There are some guys who have said they train stoned but yea fighting stoned might be a bit much. The issue is whether it’s still in your system when you test or not, just like every other thing on the banned substance list it takes time for it to completely clear your system and even stuff that you have a prescription for has to be stopped soon enough that it clears your system completely before the drug test.
What MW tourney? Who are they going to put in it? I would really like to see a list of potential fighters for that tourney with enough fights left on their contract to actually make it thru the tournament.
I was thinking about this and I don’t think Strikeforce has all the fighters signed to long enough contracts to make it happen. To do an 8 man tournament each fighter would need to have at least 3 fights left on their contract before they could even be in the tournament.
Just BE.
The problem is a guy can smoke two days before an event and then get his match DQed because of it, while the guy he is fighting can get drunk in same period and nothing happens. THC does not enhance a fighter ability to fight it should not be used against a fighter to overturn a win.
The idea that Nick Diaz having a form to fill out constitutes a “mess” for Strikeforce is laughable. If they go through with Mayhem vs. Diaz in October, the timing will still work out.
by smoogy2 on Jun 18, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don’t really see how this is a mess. I mean it might become a mess eventually, but it isn’t one now.
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by Neil Manich on Jun 18, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
And what's the Mary jane issue?
Alcohol kills more people than Marijuana.
So, i guess the UFC is irresponsible as well with Bud Light as their main sponsor.
Meltzer is a UFC shill anyway.
He comes from the world of pro wrestling where 1 promotion dominates the whole industry.
Meltzer wants MMA to be like that as well.
This guy has an agenda like all Yahoo UFC shills
It’s far from the most politically sound thing for Strikeforce to be associated with, as in spite of what California says, marijuana is still illegal under federal law. I doubt that Dana White has a problem with Joe Rogan being vocally in favor of the legalization of the drug, but do you think he’d allow him, Mike Goldberg, Shogun, and Frankie Edgar to make an appearance at a place that sold the stuff? I don’t think so, andregardless of one’s political views on the matter, I don’t think it’s wise for Scott Coker to let this happen.
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by David Bixenspan on Jun 18, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Some people just can get past anything that mentions or even implies that pot may not be perfectly healthy for you and they completely miss the actual point in their rush to rant about it.
Oh and saying that alcohol is worse is an arguement for banning alcohol not legalizing pot, it’s not really much of a point to make unless your goal is to go back to Prohibition. Particularly when it’s just completely hyperbole to start with.
Meh. It’s just an argument to point out how arbitrary our laws are, and that maybe some of them could use some updating or repeal.
On the other hand, I stopped caring about legalization when I realized the hippies would win. We can’t let the hippies win.
If our laws are supposed to be out there to protect us from dangerous things then saying that alcohol is more dangerous than Pot is just an arguement for it to be banned too. The arguement to make would be that pot isn’t dangerous enough to people to deserve to be a banned substance and should just be a controlled substance (like alcohol or tobacco). It will never ever be a free for anyone to use substance.
Of course if pot ever becomes legal then it will be taxed all to hell and big corporations will take over the entire industry and the people who are so big on it being legal will end up bitching about a whole different issue.
The hippies still won’t of won anything, heck they would of just had their favorite thing stolen from them by the pharmaceutical industry and the “pot culture” would be replaced with rampant commercialism. I’m not really sure why they don’t just want to keep things the way they are now?
You’re really just tacking on a bunch of your own assumptions to the “booze is dangerous” argument. Then you are saying that same argument (which you just added a bunch of stuff to) is wrong.
Booze is dangerous but legal. Weed is less dangerous, so it should be legal too, see? Now try not to completely change the argument before you decide to attack it.
You’re also making a bunch of assumptions about hippies and “pot culture”. Pot Culture ends at 27 when you realize that you are too old to hang blacklight posters on your wall. That has nothing to do with whether people would like to smoke weed without being considered a criminal.
I’m not tacking on anything, this is just how it is. Booze is dangerous if it is abused, pot is dangerous if it’s abused (and I know numerous people who have ruined their lives due to pot abuse, including my uncle). Alcohol is a lot more highly controlled than people think it is not to mention that hit is very much a big industry. If pot ever became legal in a general sense then it’s going to be highly controlled and commercialized too, of course that’s assuming that big industry even cares to touch the stuff (and if they don’t then it’s not going to be legalized for general consumption).
You’re also making a bunch of assumptions about hippies and "pot culture". Pot Culture ends at 27 when you realize that you are too old to hang blacklight posters on your wall. That has nothing to do with whether people would like to smoke weed without being considered a criminal.
I’ll call my brother and tell him that he’s apparently too old to be living on that island with all those hippies in Washington then. While I’m at it I’ll let my relatives in Northern California know that it’s time for them to grow up too. Your acting like I’m just making things up but I’ve got so much of my family and friends and their family and friends and on and on and on that is right in the middle of all this.
Pot culture is a bunch of people who feel the need to be vocal about using it. Heck if you keep your mouth shut and smoke in your own home then it’s not really much of an issue. It’s not even a felony in several states anymore and even the feds don’t currently care about personal use amounts.
I got T-Boned by an F-350 on snowy roads in February. They found flakes of marijuana interspersed with the shattered glass and charged me with DUI-D, with no smoking apparatus whatsoever.
Replace “Pot” with "Gay and “smoke” with “fuck” in your last paragraph. It’s not cool to treat consenting adults that engage in harmless, victimless, non-violent activities as second class citizens.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 19, 2010 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh
The argument is you either ban both or you ban neither. Alcohol’s toxicity is only interesting in as far as it’s legality, as the idea is to make the two equivalent and remove the “for your own good” argument. Legalization would lead to prices plummeting and millions in R&D. Count me in.
The black market sucks and we’re kind of tired of being second-class citizens begging for identification cards.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 18, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The only reasons that alcohol isn’t banned now is that it lead to serious organized crime, the majority of people support it and that it was very big business then and now. Of course alcohol is also used socially too, how many people drink a glass of wine or two or get a cocktail before their meal compared to how many just do it to get torn up drunk? How many do the same with pot? I’ve known a lot of pot smokers (many in my own family) but I have never met anyone who smokes it socially because they like the taste or because they just want a puff or two before dinner. The two things are just two very different things and have two very different histories. We banned alcohol and the country came unglued over it in less than 13 years, we banned pot and nothing much at all happened in the last 100 years or so due to that. You can’t really blame the drug war on pot, it’s the small fry in that group and there are plenty of places in the US where pot use hasn’t ever been that big a deal(like Kentucky).
Legalization would lead to prices plummeting and millions in R&D.
Would it? I figure it would end up controlled like alcohol and taxed like cigarettes at the best(they aren’t ever going to let under 21 year olds have it)and very strictly controlled in distribution at the worst. Companies will have to be licensed to grow and sell it, taxed heavily and they will charge what the market will pay (and we already know what that is). As far as R&D work, they can do that now, it’s not like pharmaceutical labs can’t get ahold of it for testing.
There’s no motive to develop because there’s no profit to be (legally) had – remove the legal prohibition and you’ll see cartons of joints in gas stations within six months. And they’ll be amazing.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 19, 2010 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no need to develop for cartons in gas stations (which just isn’t going to happen), R&D development would go to medical uses and those studies are already going on. Heck they do market a Synthetic THC called Dronabinol (Marinol in US) so it’s not like the pharmaceuticals aren’t already onto this (funny enough Synthetic THC is a schedule 3 drug but natural THC is a schedule 1). If you follow the trail of money to be made off corporate backed marijuana it would be as a controlled medical/specialty product not as a cigarette to sell in Gas Stations for 40 bucks a carton. They already know that there is a built up market that is currently willing to pay a very good price for the product, capitalism has spoken on what pot would sell for.
Dude
That’s insanity. Capitalism hasn’t spoken on shit regarding pot – the black market has set a price that is created by the risk/reward set up by the laws that ban the product (and the concurrent legal penalties that come with it). By your logic, alcohol was cheaper and better during Prohibition. It wasn’t.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 19, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The black market is a market and it does tell them what people will pay for it. As far as quality yea if the FDA starts regulating it then quality will go up (of course that ads cost too) but this isn’t like it was during prohibition, heck a third of the states have been decriminalizing pot use since the 1970’s and most states have it as a low priority for law enforcement. There is no Al Capone of pot who’s having gun battles with the police and the product isn’t that hard to get.
As far as how the government sees it being taxed:
Mr. Ammiano, a San Francisco Democrat who is well known in the state as a champion of liberal causes, proposes a tax of $50 on an ounce of marijuana, which sells for a few hundred dollars on the street.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123552248140364907.html
Section 9. The authority shall impose and collect an excise upon sales at retail of cannabis. The rate of said excise is hereby established as follows:
Class C One hundred fifty dollar per ounce
Class B Two hundred dollars per ounce.
Class A Two hundred fifty dollars per ounce.
http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/house/186/ht02/ht02929.htm
For comparison there is about 0.7 ounces of tobacco in a pack of cigarettes (you can get a 1 once pack of roll your own tobacco for $2 to $3). So there are ten packs in a carton, that would be about 7 ounces in a carton, by the Massachusetts proposed tax law then that carton of pot cigarettes in the gas station you are counting on would have a $1050 tax (and that’s for the cheap stuff). So if the tax alone is over a 1k then how much do you think the manufacturer will tack on? Even the California proposal would end up with a $350 tax on that amount (and that’s just state tax, the feds would also levy a significant tax on it too). I’m not just talking out my ass here, these are the proposals that are out there. Corporations and the government know that people will pay quite a bit for the product and they are going to want their share of that, heck legalization might actually end up driving the price higher.
Tournament
In one of the linked stories they are ripping on the idea of a tournament as being completely undoable. Well it has been discussed here several times including a pretty decent fan post recently . Every one of those discussions has been far more intelligent than the drivel in the linked story.
The only thing good about this story is that Kid Nate has gathered up all the straw man arguments he could find and put them together in one story. Usually he dribbles them out slowly to try and keep the momentum.
If they get weed legalized…. will we get to see Nate Diaz walkout into the ring while smoking a giant blunt?
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
Fighters are independent contractors. Strikeforce can’t force them to do anything. There is very little negative reaction to any of these guys showing up at a marijuana clinic and Strikeforce doesn’t want to get into a pissing match with their champions over something so docile. Seems like good business to me.
As far as the announcers go they have more leverage as I’m guessing they are employees of Strikeforce but again its a huge can of worms to tell your employees what they can and cant support in their off hours.
How did I end up on this bandwagon and why does everything say property of Chael Sonnen?
And yet companies and organizations have been successfully doing it forever...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
He must be stoned...
Dude. It's Anderson Silva.
If he gives a damn he will end Sonnen’s night by either sub or KO.
-SSreporters
By Monday morning Chael Sonnen will be pissing out of his neck.
-Also SSreporters
Nick Diaz...
is the pimpenest pimp in the fight game. Every single fight he puts on is hella exciting and his boxing skills and insane cardio are always improving. I have never known a pot smoker to do much more than sit on the couch and eat cheetos and here Diaz is entering triathlons…
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