Rampage Jackson Blames "Greg Jackson Plan" for Boring Fight Against Rashad Evans
by Nick Thomas on Jun 17, 2010 1:35 PM EDT
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"I apologise for the fight not so much because I lost but because of how it went down. I always like to put on exciting fights for the fans but Rashad came out to use that ‘Greg Jackson’ plan: be boring and squeak out a victory. So that bothers me more than the loss," Rampage said.
"I remember one other thing he [Rashad] was doing - he was punching me in my knee! It was weird because I had suffered a real bad knee injury in camp but we kept it secret, we didn’t say anything about it and we didn’t even tell the UFC."
"I told my doctor and that was it, he helped me out but I was going to back out of the fight. The only reason I didn’t back out was the fight had been so hyped and I didn’t want to disappoint the fans. Why was he punching me in the knee though? That’s kind of weird - did he find out about the injury? I don’t know. Its weird."
-- Check out the full interview at fightersonlymagazine.co.uk
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I had no idea punching someone in the knee was legal!
"If your going to come on then come on!" - Harold Howard
How about quit whining about gameplans...
and simply stop the takedowns. It was silly of you to not know what was going to happen so quit your whining mr Page and expand your game,,,
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
"The Iceman has officially melted..."
he often did stop the takedowns
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
obviously...
not quite enough.
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
"The Iceman has officially melted..."
+1
It seems Page is becoming more and more about excuses and reasons things didn’t go his way that had nothing to do with the actual fight..
Gameplan is part of fighting.. He should try a good camp and see how it works out for him in the future instead of blaming himself for what he’s really at fault for..
Rashad had a gameplan and stuck to it.. Page didn’t and it shows…
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Correction..
Instead of blaming others for what he’s really at fault for..
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Don’t do that Rashad. Punchin’ people in the knee is gayer than playin’ witcho nipples!
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:41 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Great
Now the Rashad haters will completely discredit this victory even more than they already have because Rampage was hobbling around on one leg with his knee having been amputated.
Not afraid to nitpick
Boring fight? Sqeaking out a victory?
That wasn’t the fight I watched.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
If it wasn't for the power in Page's hands and
Rashad’s questionable chin, there would have been no reason to sit on the edge of your seat.
by truck on Jun 17, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
huh?
I’m sorry I must have been out in left field.
I don’t think Rashad has a problem with his chin.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Well when his chin gets touched he wobbles...
That is a problem…
by truck on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It looked like Rampage caught him in the temple not the chin, and it took multiple shot to the chin by Machida to drop him.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If I and others question his chin, by definition his chin becomes questionable…
If he chin wasn’t a potential issue I would have completely lost interest in the fight after the first round. Aside from the threat of a single punch, Rampage had absolutely nothing to offer…
no....
by definition his chin becomes “questioned”.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don't worry..
it seems that I can barely spell on here.
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
"The Iceman has officially melted..."
ques·tion·a·ble (kwsch-n-bl)
adj.
1.
a. Open to doubt or challenge; problematic.
b. Not yet determined or specified.
Haha y'all are funny
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So then, by definition Mr. Webster, every fighters chin is "questionable.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure... That still makes me right and you wrong... :P
Nana Nana Nana!
Just to be clear I am sticking my tongue out at you right now too…
Congratulations?
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol... It's the internet... It's really a who cares kind of thing...
by truck on Jun 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Ya weird things happen.......
i sat up and realized I was defending Rashad Evans. Someone I cant stand. Stupid internet.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The internet...
is my religion. How dare you question the validity of my faith!
Take ONE Karate class, if you're so into Karate... - Charlie to Mac
"The Iceman has officially melted..."
plenty of valid things are stupid.....
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good assesment of the fight,
I just think the chin argument gets thrown around too much, if a guy get hit by a truck ( no pun intended) and it wobbles him people start to question his chin.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't question Ben Askren's chin though.....
That shit is rigoddamndiculously big.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
it’s an enviable chin , but i always think it makes him look a little too smug when he probably isn’t even being smug.
by naturalist on Jun 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ben Askren is really Texas Pete
The only man who could ever beat him is Superted
B-A-K-A-S-U-R-V-I-V-O-R
If a guy gets hit by three trucks in a row...
and it wobbles him people start to his ability to avoid truck and be wobbled…
by truck on Jun 17, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL @ Truck !!
Rec’d for pure funny !!
8-29-09
Keith Jardine is now known as "The Dean of Antihistamine" because he is always sleeping early in fights..
Silva and Machida and Jackson
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Rashad get knocked out against Jackson? Seems to me he recovered quite well from a very good shot.
by ManicPreacher on Jun 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn’t even a good shot. In fact, it wasn’t a shot at all, Jackson closed distanced, Rashad changed levels and literally ran into Jacksons knee.
by iamtheoriginalchris on Jun 17, 2010 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
..would'nt say a problem
*see rd 3 Thaigo fight, rd 2 Machida fight and rd 3 Jackson fight.
"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherf**ker" - Jules Winnfield
"A good word that I got from the Mike Tyson Documentary... I'm going to absolutley decimate this motherf**ker, I haven't been in the dictionary to see what it actually means but I'm guessing it's going to be something in the way of just killing a motherf**ker." -Paul Daley (on the definition of Decimate)
by WeaponElDeem on Jun 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
how does getting KO’d by Machida and then wobbled by Thiago Silva give Rashad a suspect shin?
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
*chin..............jeez.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ha I didn't catch until you said somthing
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I looked at it like 3 times, saw it was wrong and then hit post anyways.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad
has been in trouble in each of his last three fights after getting tagged. That’s not a good sign.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Jun 17, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Heavy hitters will do that,
I’d say his problem is he doesn’t seem to move his head very effectively, like he’s got a lot of head movement but I think he freezes before his takedowns and strikes. Was it just me or did he look alot like Jardine?
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That could be it...
but every heavy hitter he’s fought aside from an aging Liddell has put him on his back.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Jun 17, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Thiago didn't drop him just wobbled him.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Michael Bisping? :D
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
it's been to long since I seent that one.
Did Bisping drop him?
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
When did bisping become a heavy hitter?
by judonerd on Jun 17, 2010 7:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i was kidding.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Every fighter at the top of the division is a heavy hitter...
That makes is an ongoing problem / issue…
Not Forrest,
But yeah like I said it just seems the no beard thing gets thrown around too much
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
That's true...
Forrest is a pillow fister… Everyone loves how Griffin and Bonner just stood there and punched eachother in the heads. A lot of that was heart, but the fact is, the two fighters have combined for one KO (and two TKO’s)since then. They aren’t power punchers.
by truck on Jun 17, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pillow Fister?
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Bonnar is someone who's chin can't be questioned
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
And only once did it cost him the fight…….so maybe that says something about his composure and recovery?
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Rashad's chin and standing defense are pretty bad against good/powerful strikers.
But his recovery and survival instincts are absolutely remarkable. His footwork and head movement will be his undoing if he doesn’t seriously close up those holes, because there’s a damn good chance of getting concussed eating those power shots, even if he doesn’t get his lights turned all the way out. Not to mention that chin fades with age, and he’s probably peaking right about now.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
agreed.
you would think with all that bouncing around and shit he does that his head would somehow move along with his body
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like what Roy said about Kimbo's (I think) head movement on TUF.
“Yeah, he moves, but it’s like a bobble head.”
So predictable, so easy to target. Good thing he’s going back to his wrestling because if he keeps trying to stand with guys and doesn’t establish the threat of a takedown, he’s gonna get plastered.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
DAMN YOU GREG JACKSON!!!!!!!!
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
how does getting KO’d by Machida and then wobbled by Thiago Silva and Rampage give Rashad a suspect shin
Oh....so you were only on the edge of your seat after Rampage clipped him?
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh I get it now I feel dumb,
But naw Rashads chin is fine.
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree that the fight wasn't boring though...
I was very entertained. i was on the edge of my seat because I wanted to see what happened if Rashad got hit.
Rampage was out of shape...
That is why he lost and that is why he wasn’t able to throw Rashad off of him and why did didn’t finish hiw when he was hurt.
It is as simple as that.
I was cheering for Page, but I realized after the first round that he was out of shape and all he had left was a chance with his power.
You gotta give Rashad some credit for winning the fight too.
His wrestling has greatly improved.
Ride the Tiger!
by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
If Rashad knew about the injury
he would have been kicking it until Rampage fell over. The kneepunch was more of a distraction than anything else… draw the eyes and hands down to come over the top with an overhand right.
by gavingavinkindgavin on Jun 17, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It may come off as whining by Rampage...
… but I don’t think there is anything that off by his assessment of the fight.
Here comes the excuses....
whatever happened to “he was the better man that night.” ?
Humility is for pussies.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its a bit hard to give ...
….. credit to a fighter when he hugs you all fight and punches you in the knee .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
he landed quite a few effective strikes and that takedown in the 3rd was fucking badass
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He landed ...
…. a few strikes ? Were we watching the same fight ? He punched him in the knee and thigh all fight . And that third round takedown was good , but it was late when he no longer was fighting scared . You know with like 30 seconds left in the fight . So really how badass was it ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't take much ...
… considering all the leaning Rashad was doing . And what stuffing takedowns is nothing now ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Nor have I ever seen ....
…. someone tap to a vicious wall & stall or some kitten like swipes to the knee and thigh .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Wall & Stall and Lay & Pray are ....
….. THE reasond he won the fight .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Rampage’s inability to stop anything Rashad did is why he won that fight.
If Rampage had been able to stop ANY of it, Rashad would’ve been forced to go to Rampage’s strength. Rashad can’t be seriously blamed for having a crappy gameplan just to appease the masses.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
nope.
He out struck rampage and took him down. At the end of the fight he was the one who did the most damage.
Obviously we disagree ...
…. on every level of this fight . The only thing that I’m sure we do agree on is Rashad got +1 to his win total and Rampage got a +1 to his loss total . Agreed ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve never seen anyone tap to vicious takedown stuffing
Good one\
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure there's video somewhere
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think sending Rampage stumbling into the cage with the first punch of the night was pretty badass
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
HE DROPPED HIM TEN SECONDS IN!
Rampage’s nuts are -——> that way
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Really ? So the .....
…. fight was over 10 seconds in ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but that’s when the most significant strike of the entire fight was landed, and it was landed by Rashad, and Rampage was stumbled (largely synonymous with dropped, just in case you’re making a tedious semantic argument)
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The most siginifant ....
… Rashad landed all fight was 10 seconds in ? Yea I’ll agree with that considering he did little to nothing the other 14 minutes .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How odd that he won a unanimous decision.
30 head strikes (18 power) > 12 head strikes (6 power)
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on recent
judge scoring in MMA, I no longer consider their scoring actual fact.
I now use action figures and put pennies at their feet when they win (based on my scoring.)
If no action figure is available for a fighter, I use my sons Lego men or Army guys. It gets complicated ( a lot of fighters look a like) but it worked very well til my son took his guys back.
lets not get to literal
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by doonerthesooner on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hang tight.
If you fight, you fight. If you hope, you hope.
by Sabate on Jun 17, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah and those phillies vs the marlins
what the hell is it with this perfect game nonsense, how about some ding dongs!
Funny how you ....
…. bring up boring sport into a boring fight conversation .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny
how you use the word sport when you seem to regard it more as entertainment. Maybe you should just watch gladiator instead. You might be happier.
Funny how ...
… you like to call out folks whos opinion ain’t the same as yours . It was a boring fight period . A good ground fight was Kim v Amir . I enjoyed that fight .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
My point is...
that you’re calling out a guy who fought what you regard as a boring fight (I enjoyed it) as a bad fighter who doesn’t deserve credit. The objective of a sport is to win, not to entertain.
I can agree with you there . I didn't ....
… enjoy the fight as much as you due to all the wall & stall . I give Rashad credit for not taking damage and having a good game plan . And in my opinion the objective of a sport is to both entertain and win . Anytime your fans pay your salary its has to be a duel objective . I guess my point here is the scoring system or the way the rounds are scored needs to change so that your not rewarded for doing so little . But until then a win is a win .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
it’s true page may have come closer to stopping the fight , but that can only help him win 1 round. The whole thing that is missing from this discussion is that Page SHOULD have ended the fight when he had his chance but he failed. Everything Shad did in that fight should have been no suprise to him ’cept maybe that 1st punch. He needs to ask himslef why he cant punch a guy in the face who is already half way out .
by naturalist on Jun 17, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you talking about
How Rampage should have followed up that knee to the head that dropped Rashad?
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll bet everything I have
That you would get pretty tired getting “hugged” by Rashad Evans.
Maybe even to the point of giving him some credit.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Tired yes ....
… damaged no . I always though the point of fighting was to damage the other guy to the point where he could not or would not continue .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The point of fighting is to win.
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He makes Tito Ortiz appear well-spoken.
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
*faceplam*
I’m bad at .gifs but that’s how this made me feel.
by nastyem on Jun 17, 2010 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
everyone at my place
Was excited when rash threw that big punch at the beginning and when page caught rash near the end. Other than that everyone was like come on do something. Is he just going to take him down and lay on him the whole time? This sucks stand them up…
So I have to agree with some of what rampage is saying…
by matt_spp on Jun 17, 2010 2:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah man, just like Greg Jackson.
This is exactly what Condit, Garcia, Carwin, Cerrone, Marquardt, Jones, and Jardine always do. Like, always.
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-Randall Munroe
by pdl on Jun 17, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Problem is every fighter ...
… you listed is more talented than Rashad , minus The Dean of Mean . They all like to finish fights . Take Carwin for instance , he used his clinch on the cage to pummel Frank Mir . What did Rashad do with the same position ? He punched dude in the knee and thigh .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh, you again...
If you think Leonard Garcia is better than Rashad at anything but entertaining, you’re hopeless.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
Yep me again . And Garcia is ...
… overall a better fighter to me . Thats my opinion . He uses all his skills to win rather than just holding folks . Like I said though thats my opinion and your is different to say the least .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He uses all his skills, but he doesn’t really have any skills…
Unless heart is now a skill?
Inhale deep, like the words of my breath—I never sleep, cause sleep is the cousin of death
by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly...
Leonard Garcia is untechnical and wins a lot of gift decisions. I refuse to even compare his hilarious punching to Rashad’s technically unsound boxing, and I bag on Rashad’s hands a lot. He’s also not a great wrestler, doesn’t control distance well, and ends up in bad positions on the ground all the time. Even though he’s got great heart, so does Rashad. He doesn’t give up and fights to recover when he’s in shit situations. I can’t think of a time he’s really wilted under pressure, even while gassing.
I knock Rashad really hard. I think his last two victories have been boring and unimpressive. I can critique his technical abilities all day. But to say that Leonard Garcia of all people is a better fighter is a true sign of somebody hating just cuz he’s gettin’ styled on.
"Someone is WRONG on the internet. What do you want me to do? LEAVE? Then they'll keep being wrong!"
-Randall Munroe
I'll take that ! Your right on that one . That ...
… was just pure hate comin out on my part . Not from gettin " styled " on though just out of my pure haterd of Rashad .
But at least we agree on one thing , Rashads last two fights were boring and unimpressive .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you feel this way before Rashad tooled your boy?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes I did honestly . And tooled ...
… is a bad discription . Hugged fits much better .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are in a confederacy against him. - Jonathan Swift
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Like when he hugged Rampage in the first few seconds of the fight and sent him reeling across half the cage?
Wow all you guys seem to ...
… go to that one punch like a moth to light . Could it be because thats the only good punch he landed all fight ?
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How many did Rampage land?
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
One in the third round .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but...
Rashad opened by cracking Rampage but couldn’t finish. Rampage closed with what looked like a knee if I recall correctly but couldn’t finish. That’s about it…
As for Rampage, within the next year or so, Rampage will be a fringe top-10 LHW in the eyes of all but a few PRIDE fanboys…yes, his boxing has improved somewhat since PRIDE, but that’s it.
He just hasn’t evolved sufficiently for the modern LHW class and he is not a strong enough wrestler to be able to somewhat offset that. If anything, he’s devolved since PRIDE.
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 17, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you for your time
For your convenience, I’ll note that Sherdog is -—> that way.
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by Bob Boblaw on Jun 17, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wonder what a cat would see whilst tripping balls?
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Give him Tito
Who can make the best excuse wins
This might be the only way Tito could win a fight for the rest of his career.
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That one is easy. Tito by KO.
Cracked skull excuse beats boring game plan excuse any day of the week.
by pud333 on Jun 17, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bacterial vaginosis
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by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I know he was battling a candida infection...
Hell, we were trying to get funds together to sent a case of vagisil…now he needs flagyl too…and docs on here willing to write him the rx for that…
by BigDNotDallas on Jun 17, 2010 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have sympathy for Rampage for two reasons
1) I’m a pretty big nuthugger
2) I was let down by the fight. It’s just like if some 9-7 team wins the Superbowl by forcing fumbles and kicking field goals. It’s deflating.
I don’t knock Rashad’s gameplan, it was intelligent and successful. But despite my fanboyism over Rampage, I wouldn’t have been dissatisfied if there was a KO, sub, or even a GSP/Fitch-esque type result. Hell, something cool like Soto/Stevenson or Nog/Brilz would have been great, even though these guys don’t fight in that style.
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I agree wiht that completly . All I ask is ...
… for the attempt to finish . Rashads gameplan was great and he did well with it ( minus the last round when he let up and nearly got KO’d ) .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wear it with pride
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
I remember that part. I also remember when he got up, reversed Rampage, took him down, and tee’d off on him for a while. That was pretty sweet.
So, do you still maintain that Rampage and Thiago Silva are good 205ers and Rashad isn’t despite beating them back to back? Because that is still hilarious to me.
Yea he really ...
…. tee’d off on him . Did the fight end because of his teeing off ? No .
And yes I still maintain that Rampage and Thiago are better 205ers than Rashad . The difference here is I don’t bash for having a differing opinion where as you and other douches do . So laugh it up there chuckles because my opinion ain’t changing .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
The fighting in the cage kind of settles the debate. Doesn’t it? Shouldn’t it?
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by Jonathan Snowden on Jun 17, 2010 3:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not really . What did Rashad prove ? He proved he ...
… can out technique a guy coming off a 14 month layoff . I given Rashad credit in other posts , but this fight I can’t do it .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
come on, dude. you’re fighting an uphill battle. Rashad one fair and square and deserves credit. you can be disappointed in the way it turned out, but not by his choice
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda noticed that already .
So yea I given Rashad enough credit in other posts for winning the fight in truly boring , unimpressive fashion . I guess a win is a win .
" Everyone has a plan 'till they get punched in the mouth. " ~
Mike Tyson
by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
*won
one =/= won
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I promise I won't talk about that first punch
Instead I’ll ask what did Rampage do to stop the power doubles all day? If you equate entertainment with being effective thats okay, but then Machida sucks to because he fights for points.
The final minute and a half of the fight was Rashad punching Rampage in the face repeatedly. I’m not making that up, you can watch it and see it yourself.
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by Matthew Roth on Jun 17, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And why's it that all of a sudden he started to GnP in the last few seconds? It was because ...
…. Rashad was no longer scared to lose position .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I still don’t get your point. Rampage was thoroughly worked. Had no answer for the takedowns. Was unable to circle off the cage. And his only offense was Rashad shooting into his knee due to distance. Seriously, Rampage didn’t punch him to knock him down, Rashad shot face first into Rampages knee (he wasn’t throwing a knee).
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by Matthew Roth on Jun 17, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a punch, that wobbled him
I
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by dancingChicken on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If he had connected with that 2nd follow-up shot, it would have been over. Missed by a hair.
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He also had about a half-dozen changes from the half guard
And he whiffed on every single shot of consequence he threw from there.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, was ugly.
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"I ain't having it" - Buster Posey, hosing folks down
Where is this idea that Rampage was being taken down at will coming from?
That’s just not true.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage did hit him with a punch . Theres a photo floating ...
… around this site somewhere thats shows the punch ( and there its is as I’m posting , Thanks DancingChicken ). And Rashad got only 3 takedowns on 12 attempts aginest a fighter coming off a 14 month layoff so to say he thorughly worked Rampage is overstating the situation . Did Rashad win the fight ? Yes . In dominiating fashion though , no .
My point he Rashad was using position to stall the fight ( in my opinion ) and to out point him through cage control rather than doing damage . He fought to keep position because he knew that every second out of the clinch or not on top of Rampage was dangerous for him . So in the waning moments of the third round when he knew there was nothing left to fear( due to time left and position ) he finally let loose and did not fear losing the position .
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by MidWayMonster54 on Jun 17, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Please
"The only reason I'm cryin is cuz of the adrenaline."
by Earl Montclair on Jun 17, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rampage did quite a bit
to stop the power doubles. That’s what made the fight so boring to some.
Rampage was pretty effective at stopping take downs, but he was very ineffective at avoiding the clinch. It made for boring moments (for some) as Rashad unsuccessfully looked for the takedown from the clinch.
Rampage’s fight with Randleman was pretty much the same deal. He stopped the takedowns, but couldn’t stop the clinch. The difference was that Randleman gassed after a few minutes, lost control, and Rampage knee-ed his head into orbit.
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ah... the yellow cards
Yellow cards are the reason that fight moved on from a hug fest to a KO. Randleman was shooting and clinching, and the japanese ref rightly yellowcarded him for stalling. Rightfully so, IMO. You can see Rampage’s reaction to the double yellow card too… “WTF I’M trying to fight, HE’S the one who’s stalling”
There needs to be a mechanism in MMA to deter stalling. The yellow card is the best one I have seen to date.
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by The Lethal Haze on Jun 17, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Deflating's ass
That’s inspiring. That’s fantastic. That’s brains beating brawn, which was (I thought) kind of the whole point of this mixed martial arts thing.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I, uh, also like to be entertained.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I have been very entertained by the reactions people had during and after the fight. In addition, I don’t expect Rashad Evans to risk getting knocked the fuck out so I can oooh and aaah. It’s his job. I’m watching him do it.
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by Derek Suboticki on Jun 17, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Like I’ve said before, this is the reason Wanderlei is beloved. Rashad, not so much.
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem for me is when this was built up to be a mega grudge match fight between two dudes that can’t stand each other. I understand the idea of working for a win however you can get it. It doesn’t always lead to the most exciting fights to me personally, but the goal is to win.
When Rashad and Rampage decided to build up their hatred for each other, I’m sorry, but I was expecting a slugfest, or at least hoping for one. That’s where the problem is I think. Not only are the casual fans disappointed, but a decent chunk of us “hardcores” were also hoping for something entirely different based on the words and emotions going in.
Had this been just another regular fight I feel like the backlash against Rashad would be much less than it is.
by Newbs on Jun 17, 2010 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
exactly
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by Anthony Pace on Jun 17, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Really
I figured it would be the exact opposite. I figured the casuals would buy into the fake grudge match and the hardcore fans would see right through it.
At no point did I think their dislike for each other was genuine nor did I expect it to effect their fight.
Typical pathetic Rampage excuses, these are no surprise the fact is he got schooled by Rashad and he’s going to have to live with that fact for a long long time.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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Respect level for Rampage plummeting
And that’s saying something because I never liked him to begin with.
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